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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TrueKill on March 23, 2005, 11:04:26 PM
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The Rhine setup will be up in the CT on 3-25-05 go here (http://flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146429) for more info. :aok
P.S. If you want to bash the CT then go somewhere else.
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You're ugly and ur mother dresses you funny:D
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who........who told you that
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Why no spit IX?
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The spit 9 entered service 7-42 and the spit 14 1-44. Dont know if the brits still used the 9, but it has'nt been in earlyer Rhine setups so I left it out.
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"Why no spit IX?"
lol. I saw the topics title and I knew, without even looking at the arena setup, that someone would ask where the Spit was.
Like asking a "when" question and someone saying "two weeks." Post a CT setup and someone will ask "WH3RE"S THE SP1TfiR3?!"
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Westy that's because there are instances when the spitfire saw service but not included. Truekill the spit IX saw service in europe until the end of the war, it was the RAF's mainstay fighter from 43 onwards (well the spit LF IX)
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The allies have the Spit 14 unperked, why would you need the Spit 9? Sheesh, cant make anybody happy.
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You know what, i dont think i'll try the Ct again.
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So, you are not going to try it because the allies dont get the Spit 9 yet they get the unperked Spit 14? On top of that, the LW uberplanes, 152, 163, 262, are all perked.
Seriously, I'm not intending to flame you, I am interested in your reasoning as to why that upsets you.
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You are mistaken if you think i'm not going to retry the CT due to the absence of the spit 9. However i've come to the conclusion I don't need to visit the CT to see it is still the same.
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Were you aware of our new salad bar?:D
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Free crutons...
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Thrila noones puting a gun to you head.
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There was me thinking the CT wanted/needed more players. I'm sure there is a reason why there is currently 350 in MA, 10 in TA, over 20 in the DA and 0 in the CT right now.
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The reason for the decline in numbers in the CT is my fault..
I havent had time to play since March of last year and a brief time during the Con when we were in Dallas.
without me around to be shot down everybody got bored and left.
Well that'll change this weekend, I called Skuzzy and had my account reactivate so look out for AirScrew to get kicked around somemore.
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Thrila, I am honestly curious as to what you think should be done. In another thread in the CT forum someone requested the 51B and the P47D-11. I am not sure why these planes are wanted when there are plenty of choices already, all better than the planes being asked for.
The CT staff, as I understand it, try to create interesting matchups, but not neccessarily every plane in use at that time period. We have had many USAAF only vs LW, or RAF only vs LW, but not the whole inventory.
This set, while not including every type in service in '45, allows both sides to fly perk planes that few ever fly in the MA, all the allied perk planes are perk-free in this setup, and the 163/262 are very minimally perked. Folks can fly this week and log more hours in a Temp than most will ever have in the MA, same with the Spit 14 and 163/262.
So again, I am not trying to berate you, I just dont understand the outrage that certain older planes like the Spit 9 or P51-B are not included, planes which will have minimal, if any, use this week.
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maybe its not the plane set, but the berating? :confused:
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Originally posted by Grits
Thrila, I am honestly curious as to what you think should be done.
Me, too.
- oldman
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Thrila said the spit 9 was used to the end of the war, and there were instances (like now) where it was left out of CT setups. I asked why worry about the Spit 9 when the allies have the Spit 14 unperked. He then said said he wouldnt give the CT another try.
I honestly do not know what he is upset about, nobody berated him that I saw.
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I'm still curious where you got the idea i'm outraged at the lack of a spit 9. Where exactly did you find it in this
Why no spit IX?
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Westy that's because there are instances when the spitfire saw service but not included. Truekill the spit IX saw service in europe until the end of the war, it was the RAF's mainstay fighter from 43 onwards (well the spit LF IX)
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The first was a simple question, the second was justifying why the spit 9 should be included.
Apart from truekills initial reply, all i got was jabs from you "CT guys" rather than a remotely constructive reply. It isn't the lack of the spit 9 in the CT, it's the mentality of the people who frequent there. Enjoy your sandbox guys.
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I think the CT should stay as it is, i think it's fine for you guys.
Killnu has it right. I asked a really simple question and couldn't get an answer.
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How was anything I said a jab?
You asked:
"Why no spit IX?"
TK responded:
"The spit 9 entered service 7-42 and the spit 14 1-44. Dont know if the brits still used the 9, but it has'nt been in earlyer Rhine setups so I left it out."
Seems like a straightforward answer to me.
Again, I dont see what the issue is with that since the Spit 14 is unperked.
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I flew CT an hour or so last night, had a fairly good time (esp considering rooks gettin ganged off yet another map in MA)-- LW side has somewhat of a plane advantage, (109F, G6, 190A5 ,F4F, H1 vs LA5, YakT, H2c)---but the thing I see as the real and only problem from which everything else arises, is the advent of squads in CT. MOST of the 15-20 guys on were in squads, and ALL of the LW side was. With 20 guys on, 5-6 showing up at your base at 15k, flying in concert, utterly dominates, and ensures no 1 on 1 fights--something which one would tend to think would happen in small arena. That prolly why there are often more guys in DA---they want fights, not to get beat up by 4-5 109's at once. As I have said before, that sorta thing makes CT look like miniature version of MA, and not somewhere to go fer something different.
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The 1942 Spitfire F.Mk IX is not appropriate for this setup. I completely agree with it's omission. The Spitfire F.Mk XIV is much closer in performance to both the Spitfire LF.Mk IX, Spitfire Mk XIV (obviously) and Spitfire LF.Mk XVI than is the Merlin 61 Spitfire F.Mk IX that we have in AH.
Just because it says "Spitfire MK IX" does not make it correct. No more than a 1942 Bf109G would be appropriate to use as a 1944 Bf109G.
Grits made the right call.
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Originally posted by Westy
"Why no spit IX?"
lol. I saw the topics title and I knew, without even looking at the arena setup, that someone would ask where the Spit was.
Like asking a "when" question and someone saying "two weeks." Post a CT setup and someone will ask "WH3RE"S THE SP1TfiR3?!"
why would you need the Spit 9? Sheesh, cant make anybody happy.
maybe he got it from these? :confused: maybe not intended that way but i can see his point.
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I think Grits' reply came off to thrilla wrong. Knowing Grits I know thats not how he intended but if you dont know him, I could see it coming across like a wise ass. Grits is a good dude thrilla, I think you guys just got your wires crossed.
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I should have said, "you cant make everyone happy", that was a poor choice of words on my part, and I am sorry for that, but what I said was nevertheless a true statement. Its like having the F4U-4 unperked in a setup and complaining because the F4U-1 was left out. Its petty nit-picking that adds nothing of value.
I wont speak for Westy, but I think we were hitting the same point. I said that because I feel sorry for the CT admins. No matter how hard they try, every week players are going to whine about something. Every week somebody is mad because their pet plane was left out, or the other side has a plane that is not going to let their pet plane have the spotlight, or a plane is in a month before it was really operational, it never ends.
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I see more spit V's in MA than Spit 9's any more..dont fly spits much, but apparently the 9 was neutered a bit fer ah2?
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Im not really a Spit driver but the 9 seems the same to me. The 5 seems like it did a cycle of D-Bol before AH2.
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Originally posted by Grits
So again, I am not trying to berate you, I just dont understand the outrage that certain older planes like the Spit 9 or P51-B are not included, planes which will have minimal, if any, use this week.
Becuase the P-51B is a better fighter than the D model I think.
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The 51B is in a lot of CT sets, while the 51D is rarely in them, that is why the Rhine set is nice, it allows all those really late war planes to be used. Likewise the Spit 9 is in tons of sets, it wont hurt anyone to leave it out for one week in exchange for the Spit 14.
The Spit 9 wasnt neutered, the Spit 5 was given 16+ boost where before it had 12+. This makes the Spit 9 redundant beacause on the deck the Spit 5 is only 2-3 MPH slower than the 9 but turns substantially better.