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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Staga on March 24, 2005, 03:54:11 AM
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http://www.dela-grante.net/michelin/up/so/No_0619.wmv
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Beautifully made.
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Wow - what's the name of the flick? My japanese is kinda ... rusty... :D
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The intro text is just aircraft type.
The second text (white background) is the date and name of the pilot. The final kanji(s) on the bottom left is like a title indicating he was killed in action. (A war death, literally)
August 6, 1945
Nogami (something Shousha {?}) Sorry, I don't know the correct pronunciation of that kanji... :confused:
Senshi (Killed in action)
In my defense, many Japanese may not pronounce it correctly either since there are many readings for a kanji.
The last text is (roughly) that a Japanese plane downing an American plane by ramming it had never happened before during the war.
I'm not a linguist or translator, so maybe someone Japanese will correct and add to it.
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Eh, who cares if it's PC, it puts a human face on the other side of what happened. War sucks.
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If I could think of a good national slur against Norwegians, I'd use it here. :D
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Don't recall any US Essex class CVs being hit, much less sunk by Okhas.
Anywho...
As Rolex could probably tell you, in the last 20 years there has been a surge of Japanese WW2 Anime, Comic books, and novels. Many of them have a fantasy element with modern Japanese discovering time travel and sending JDF Jet fighters back to 1942 to make sure they win the Battle of Midway, etc. A lot of it is simply historical nostalagia, and an inevitable rehashing of all of Japanese military history (besides how many Samurai/Ninja/Giant Robot themed pics can even the most jaded society absorb???) but there has also been some much harder "we were right!" themed material produced - some of it either glossing over or justifying Japanese atrocities in China and Korea.
Cherry Blossoms fall, a tear mingles with the plucking of the Koto, all very pretty - but a methinks one might be a little less moved by a music video of the Rape of Nanking or the Bataan Death March.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
If I could think of a good national slur against Norwegians, I'd use it here. :D
You need to find someone of Swedish Decent from Minnesota, they know them all...
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Don't recall any US Essex class CVs being hit, much less sunk by Okhas.
Anywho...
As Rolex could probably tell you, in the last 20 years there has been a surge of Japanese WW2 Anime, Comic books, and novels. Many of them have a fantasy element with modern Japanese discovering time travel and sending JDF Jet fighters back to 1942 to make sure they win the Battle of Midway, etc.
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Ummm........Dont suppose it had anything to do with that movie from the 80s with Martin Sheen in it where the modern carrier gets timewarped back to 1941 right before the attack on Pearl Harbor? Maybe they got the idea from us.
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I loved the invincible fighters and the untouchable Okha.
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That would have been more interesting without the cat being skinned in the background.
Still I see nothing wrong with it.
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I'd say the books and comics of Japanese glories and fantasies never went away in Japan, they are just noticed more recently in the west.
I suppose if you get a bunch of old guys together from any country, they'll talk about the war. Look at this place... :)
Isn't political correctness the view from the side of the fence one is standing on? All history is interpretation and the interpretation begins the moment an event is over. The written history of victors will always demonize the vanquished. The truth might be found somewhere in the middle as omissions, twists, and interpretation by humans and institutions become accepted truths.
I don't believe anyone is perfect. The Japanese are just as self-centered in their history books as most nations. The whitewashing of Nanking, comfort women and other atrocities in Japanese history books is not a good thing. Whitewashing or interpretation occurs in other nations history also.
For example, let's take Iwo Jima, since the 60th anniversary just occured. Harry Truman said that he considered one of the greatest things about the Marines was their public relations department. He considered them just the US Navy's police force. Iwo Jima was a classic example of a bad situation turned into a glorious victory - a mistake made right by public relations.
First, intelligence was faulty. The size and entrenchment of the Japanese force was underestimated. It was quickly realized that there was not enough air power or troops after the initial landings. There was no great hurry to take Iwo Jima (the Japanese weren't going anywhere and were almost starving since all supplies had been cut off) and they could have pulled back for a few weeks until the right combination of force was mustered.
Instead, a bad situation with no urgency was turned into a meatgrinder. There was little strategic importance to Iwo Jima. After it was over, alot of questions were being asked and heads looked like they would roll over it, until the public relations campaign kicked in to try to justify the importance of Iwo Jima. The reasons kept changing.
One reason was given that it would provide an air base for fighter escorts to Japan. There was no fighter capable of flying from Iwo Jima to Japan and back. Next, was that it would be used as a bomber base. It wasn't used as a bomber base. Then, it saved the lives of thousands of bomber crew as an emergency landing field. Very few bombers landed there in an emergency, but every takeoff and landing (it was used as a supply base) was counted as saving crew members.
There never was a justification for the scale of US Marine deaths and wounded. Today, it is hailed as a stirring achievement, yet was it really? Was it unwise stubborness instead of wise military strategy?
I suppose there are unlimited interpretations of everything.
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I saw the longer version of this years ago, it lasts for about 15 minutes... don't remember the name or the author though, sorry.
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I think it accurately represents the MA.
'xcept the girl in the picture has fluffy wool and the ohka is really a lancaster.
But I give them artistic license ;)
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This is just stupid.
You dont die for your country, you make the other sob die for his.
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That's from the Movie
The Cockpit:Kamikaze Stories
3 stories including one of a German Pilot flying a Ta -152H Escorting a Captured B-17 for a secret mission the second one is the ohka pilot and the 3rd one is kinda weird
All well made.
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Thanks for the Info Glasses.
Is the clip like the movie or does it have real audio like Sound Effects and Voices?
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No it has a story and a plot too and people talk in it .
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
You dont die for your country, you make the other sob die for his.
Patton.
Nice movie.
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Patton didn't say that. Patton's words were better and had a different nuance.
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Movie...
I said Movie...
At least so was translated that part of the MOVIE in the italian version...
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Sorry! The translation was not too good then. :)