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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: VWE on March 26, 2005, 02:22:58 PM
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O.k. guys I'd love to hear from anyone who has been in the CT and feels that I or my squad are as bad as some people think. Coversly I'd like to hear anything possitive anyone might have to say too. :aok
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Originally posted by Shane
DAMIT SHANE CANT YOU EVER SAY ANYTHING NICE WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BASH EVERYONE!!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl :lol :lol :lol
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Originally posted by VWE
O.k. guys I'd love to hear from anyone who has been in the CT and feels that I or my squad are as bad as some people think. Coversly I'd like to hear anything possitive anyone might have to say too. :aok
Big to JG54. You keep the CT alive:aok
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Sometimes you guys are cool when you are acting right. Sometimes you guys completely destroy the gameplay in the CT.
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Gotta expand on that Jam... lets air it all out.
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good, great fights.
even if you are alt monkey luft weenies
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When there are 15 peeps on TOTAL, and 6-7 of them are in 1 squad, gameplay SUCKS--nothin against yall in particular, but facing a tight-nit group like that is daunting for the average guy popping into CT to see whats goin on....Again, not my business, but I think the advent of squads dominating play in CT is a negative thing, on the whole.
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Thanks for the input... :aok
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Well VWE the trash talking for one. Then the countless times you guys vulch. The need to gang when its already 3 v1. Porking fields. Sinking CV's because you can. If some do the same things that your squad does you guys get mad talk trash or leave. Get in gvs drive to field and pork it. Capture fields for some reason. Basically everything that goes on in the MA that you guys dislike so much.
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I haven't been in the CT all that much, but when I have been , you guys have been really cool. Except, that is, when you shoot me down. Then you really suck!:D
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O.k. both good input... lets keep rolling.
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im saying nothing ... i may get verbaly abused again...
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I doubt that anybody cares much now considering so few are ever in the CT.
But I am thankful for JG54, if it wasnt for them providing 80% of the nightly CT regular attendance I'm sure HTC would have shut the server down long ago.
So every once in a while when theres a dozen or so people in the CT and a good setup, I know I can thank JG54 for that being possible.
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1. There's no need to smack talk the opposition because you don't like the way they fly(seen personally numerous times).
2. No need to vultch people trying to take off. People come to the CT looking for a different experience then they find in the MA. They come for quality fights. Vultch them a few times and they leave.
The 3 years I've been flying the CT there have never been a lack of allies there. The axis has always been outnumbered and as a result a certain amount of defensiveness has been built up flying axis. But the fact is the allied numbers have dropped drastically. And though it may be noble to divide your squad up to even the numbers, the fact is you have been forced to. If you keep the fighting in the air and not on the text buffer, you will see the numbers come back.
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DOLLY PARTON!
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they have a phobia about evening up the sides
then again if the sides were even, they'd lose the 3 to 1 and see how well they really fly - hmm, makes sense now :)
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it just ain't the 54, many have the phobia
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The problem is "historical" squads that refuse to split up to even things out. It doesnt have to be literally numbers even, sometimes one highly skilled guy can even things up while the numbers are not equal. When Shane or ManeTMP or Leviathan are in the CT they are worth an extra 3-5 guys (or more) for their side so you have to consider the relative skill levels too not just the raw numbers.
Its JG54 now, but before that it was VMF312, before that it was 78th FG, before that it was JG3, its not a new problem that has come as a result of JG54. Some squads in the past like VF17, VF27, and now JG2, were willing to switch, which is why you will largly see most of JG2 flying allies.
I think the axis squads were outnumbered for so long (and they were) that now they want to extract their pound of flesh to get even. The only problem is there is almost nobody left in the arena to punish and the ones that are there dont stay long.
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Thanks guys for your input, I really do not know personally how the comunity outside of the CT regulars feels about JG54 but I do appriciate ya'll taking the time to post your feedback. :aok
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I'm not sure what squad it was, but the last time I was in the CT a squad was all flying 10k higher than anyone else and in a pack of no less than 12 guys.
It ruined the gameplay in there, 1s and 2s aren't going to have much of a chance vs that. Its one of the reasons I don't fly in there, too many of the 'big fish, small pond' attitudes. Again, I don't know what squad it was...
I like the idea of the CT, but the numbers are pitifully low.
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CT??? ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzz wake me up when something exciting like golf comes on...
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I don't fly the CT because the numbers are generally very low and the sides very imbalanced. Couple that with the preponderance of megamouths in the arena and it ain't a whole bunch of fun being there. The last time 4 times I was in there 3 of the four times one side outnumbered the other by at least 4 to 1 and the high number side used up a lot of text buffer with insults.
Whether that can be ascribed to a specific squadron I don't know - I'm not in there enough to judge.
There used to be a time when side imbalance was a detail because most CT players had the self-control to let a good 1v1 or 1v2 fight alone until it was over, but that was then (2 years ago, give or take). The behaviour I see now every time I go in there is pig-piling on singles even when there a fair number of people online.
When you crap on the carpet regular, don't be surprised if before too long you live alone.
asw
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Yea, a real turn off for me was having 15 guys in the CT only to find them all at 10-15k??? Don't know what group or persons it was. Also as soon as the cons saw me, I was BnZed by no less than 4 at once. Later, in a 109, I ran into a P51 with a lot of alt on me. He dove in blew his E and then dove away? Even in a dogfight at coE he has all the adv except in climb vs my 109G10? Then as he ran off a P47 came in and did the same thing? I felt like I was in the MA. I ended up just augering and leaving. I had the impression the CT was more of the old style, dogfighting with some honor type arena. And it's been said I know, but all I found was a mini MA:(
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I dunno, seems to me like it was always the arena for those who wanted a little more realism (e.g. Axis v Allies, historically-matched planeset, reduced radar and icons). Tight-flying squad ops are part of that style I think, or at least can be. You get a Axis squad of 8-10 in the arena that rarely gets above 20 ppl, and their coordinated tactics are simply going to make it hard for single flyers to enjoy themselves.
But, what would've really happened in WWII? Certainly a lone plane would've been pounced on by a higher, well-organized squadron.
I don't get into much trash talking, but I'm more disturbed by GVs who spawn camp runways in a low-populated arena.
I think if we could tone down the trash talking and find a medium sized Allied squad to oppose JG54's domination of the arena, the single flyers might have a better experience and come back and fly the CT more often.
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I'm not sure what squad it was, but the last time I was in the CT a squad was all flying 10k higher than anyone else and in a pack of no less than 12 guys.
This sums up what I see just about anytime I've logged into the CT....
It's a combination of two factors...all the "bad guys" being in a gaggle and the limited total numbers. In the MA 10 or even 15 guys in a squad dont imbalance anything....especially since there are so many other squads to balance things if they want.
"historically" the CT was where you went for "old school" combat...things were natually capped at 1 on 3 at most...I normally told the guy taking off to "call the fight" once he got up and got some speed. Most of the time (but not always) a good 1 on 1 was allowed to finish. As a general rule sides were balanced and folks switched as needed. Bases were rarely porked or captured...they existed as a framework for the fight. Everybody knows that 1 on 2 vs a pair of competent pilots is tough....if those two are truely winging then its even harder....so why the need to push things so far beyond any concept of a balanced enviorment?
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Originally posted by oboe
I dunno, seems to me like it was always the arena for those who wanted a little more realism (e.g. Axis v Allies, historically-matched planeset, reduced radar and icons). Tight-flying squad ops are part of that style I think, or at least can be. You get a Axis squad of 8-10 in the arena that rarely gets above 20 ppl, and their coordinated tactics are simply going to make it hard for single flyers to enjoy themselves.
But, what would've really happened in WWII? Certainly a lone plane would've been pounced on by a higher, well-organized squadron.
I don't get into much trash talking, but I'm more disturbed by GVs who spawn camp runways in a low-populated arena.
I think if we could tone down the trash talking and find a medium sized Allied squad to oppose JG54's domination of the arena, the single flyers might have a better experience and come back and fly the CT more often.
You dont need to do anything but back off....it was common in both WW1 and even the 1st year of WW2 for the "squad ace" to take on a lone bandit....there are hundreds of such stories in the JG 26 memiors alone all the way up to the invasion (which obviously changed things alot). You want a 2 on 1 fine....but what benifit do you get from gangin the guy 1 on 10....???
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Originally posted by humble
but what benifit do you get from gangin the guy 1 on 10....???
You live :)
Only jesting, I'm always the first to switch to even sides. Unless of course, I failed to notice before someone else brought it to my attention.
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Still have a pulse:)....
Plank,
Dont know that we ever crossed paths in the CT....my recent experience (since I signed back up in 8 or 9/04) is very limited....mostly because it was identical to my previous experience in the beginning of 2004. I flew both sides and alot of my "distain" was for the checkertails if I recall correctly. They certainly were as bad as anyone else. The last couple times up the "verbal garbage" came from storch and truekill if memory is correct. I'm just trying to give an honest answer to the question raised. I'd fly the CT bout all the time (back when I was a trainer I dont think I ever flew the MA....just TA or CT). I'm not the worlds smartest flier...I dont grab the fastest plane or circle and gain 10k...I just point the nose to the biggerst dar and go. I dont care what plane the other guy is in or how much alt he has...or even if he's got friends. However, if you dont have some reasonable chance for a "quality encounter" why bother. 10 guys gaggling togeather with no target amazes me...
This is from a thread in CT forum I posted 6/15/03....
a SAD moment in the CT
Just logged intro the CT to find 11 guys landgrabbing...was literally 11 on 1 side and a single guy on the other just padding score...if I was in charge I'd ban em for a month
To me this was thebeginning of all this....
A sad day in the CT...
Can't believe I'd see 18+ players in the CT and zero action. Got one side landgrabbing in the NW...the other in the SE. Hope this isn't the coming state of afairs..the MA already is a total waste of time. I'd hate to see the CT go south also
(3/30/02)
This is nothing specific to JG54 or anyone in it...from my point of view it goes back along way....
BTW you'll find a post 11/25/03 that sums up what I feel the CT should be....
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I agree humble. Woulda been pretty foolish for a squad CO to order all flights down against a low bogey.
So large, organized squads help seed the CT with numbers, but their unsportsmanlike tactics and conduct are chasing people away. That about sum up the situation?
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Originally posted by oboe
I agree humble. Woulda been pretty foolish for a squad CO to order all flights down against a low bogey.
So large, organized squads help seed the CT with numbers, but their unsportsmanlike tactics and conduct are chasing people away. That about sum up the situation?
Yes, I think it does...
Obviously in a real war ideally you'll vaporize your opponents with no loses to your side...but in a sim you need to provide some semblance of a "fair fight"....however it wasn't simply tactics...probably the best example ever was richtofen vs hawker...both sides let the two aces fight it out with no intervention. Now, the officer class on both sides came from a dueling tradition and the concept of "mano e mano" was strong...this continued thru the early stages of WW2 even though it wasnt "proper tactics"...
Things began to change early in the war over france when the germans got creamed (losing one of the top expertain of the time) in a fight vs some french hawk 75's...however it still continued up thru 43 on the western front (not in the east at all apparently)...
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I don't think we have met in the CT humble. I'm sure I would be easily forgetten as the 'easy kills' you got while in there. Either way I do agree that 10 on 1 is not fun for almost anybody. Personally I prefer to be on the 1 side of that fight, then I know that the kills I got, I earned. That being said, I don't intend to say that makes it right to gang up on anyone.
I've seen a big change in the CT lately as far as sportsmanship. I haven't been around as long as you or many others have so I can't comment on the long term change to the arena. But more often than not in the past weeks, I have seen people staying out of 1 v 1 fights until they are finished and seen a lot of good chatter on ch 200, some of it witty jesting and some of it constructive criticism and some of it just chatter.
I try my best to even things up but I have found myself on the ganging side without even knowing it. My own fault for not checking the roster from time to time but when I do realize it, I auger and switch up. Hopefully my attitude can be contagous, after all, I caught it from folks like oldman, grits and lowe.
Come in and check it out sometime, Humble, I hope you will be pleasantly surprised by what you see. I'd love to have another person kill me besides the current 10 - 20 that are doing it now. :)
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I think what humble and I are saying is we veiwed the CT as a place to go where you wouldn't get ganged like the MA. oboe, you are correct in your statement that a smart squad in WW2 would attack with all the adv. including alt and numbers. But from my understanding and what I got from many who fly CT, is it's the place to go if you want more of the "honorable" fights. You run into a 3 on 1 and supposedly at least 1 would stay out to give you a chance. I'm sure there are still people in there like that, but I haven't found them. And besides, unlike WW2, if you BnZ and cherry someone enough, they will just log. Thats basically what happened to me that night. I went to the heavily outnumbered side and got Bnzed by a bunch of alt monkeys, so I logged. I don't know who they were so I'm not saying it's JG54(as a matter of fact I was German). I might try flying in the CT a few more times to see how it goes. But VWE wanted input from people and from my unbiased veiw, I still say it was like a mini MA, with cons being stupidly high, BnZing and when they get in trouble, tucking tail and running home. I'm really not trying to insult anyone who flies in there, it's just my 1st experience was a really bad one.
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Originally posted by humble
I flew both sides and alot of my "distain" was for the checkertails if I recall correctly. They certainly were as bad as anyone else.
Give it up... don't drag that crap out again... your like a broken record... "The Checkertails this, the Checkertails that..." I could care less how you think we fly... Thirty years from now, you are going to be crying about that same drivel. I am really tired of hearing it..
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Originally posted by plank
I don't think we have met in the CT humble. I'm sure I would be easily forgetten as the 'easy kills' you got while in there. Either way I do agree that 10 on 1 is not fun for almost anybody. Personally I prefer to be on the 1 side of that fight, then I know that the kills I got, I earned. That being said, I don't intend to say that makes it right to gang up on anyone.
I've seen a big change in the CT lately as far as sportsmanship. I haven't been around as long as you or many others have so I can't comment on the long term change to the arena. But more often than not in the past weeks, I have seen people staying out of 1 v 1 fights until they are finished and seen a lot of good chatter on ch 200, some of it witty jesting and some of it constructive criticism and some of it just chatter.
I try my best to even things up but I have found myself on the ganging side without even knowing it. My own fault for not checking the roster from time to time but when I do realize it, I auger and switch up. Hopefully my attitude can be contagous, after all, I caught it from folks like oldman, grits and lowe.
Come in and check it out sometime, Humble, I hope you will be pleasantly surprised by what you see. I'd love to have another person kill me besides the current 10 - 20 that are doing it now. :)
I will....
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
Give it up... don't drag that crap out again... your like a broken record... "The Checkertails this, the Checkertails that..." I could care less how you think we fly... Thirty years from now, you are going to be crying about that same drivel. I am really tired of hearing it..
I could care less what your tired of....or how you fly. I simply tried to answer the question posed. As for you and the checkersnails....
Squads exist for the sole purpose of projecting power. Basically they are an "invention" of a fairly large scale enviornment or a relatively heated competition in a smaller setting. Back in AW in the mid 90's (AOL) the FR arena had total head count of 30-50 most of the time. Although there were squads....combat was normally either 1 on 1 or small groups...a big furball had maybe 7-10 guys total....yet at the same time the RR arena's had large squads and combat was often 40 or 50 in one area (the VOD for example). In RR#2 where my "squad" was based...we matched up with other large squads and squad ops were how we judged each other...we looked for our counterparts.
How you (or any other group) can view accomplishment in the absence of real competition as anything other than meaningless is beyond me.
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As for you and the checkersnails....
What the heck did I ever do to you Humble? I've been with the 325th Checkertail Clan for almost 3 1/2 years now and I've never slammed another individual player or squad either in jest or in anger. If you've got a beef with me, then you tell me and we can discuss it like men, but keep your insults and name calling to yourself. It's that kind of BS and trash talk that do nothing to improve things in the CT; which is what I believe allot of the threads here are referring to...
LD
"Train the way you fight, fight the way you train."
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It's the CT, who really cares. My guess is not too many people, considering how few are in there each night.
I actually like the CT so don't start on that crap...
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Maybe I just see things differently than most of you do, but every time I've been on, I have seen members of JG54 flying both sides in the CT. They may not always be the FIRST to switch, but they do try to even things up. And despite the reputation, I have NEVER heard storch or VWE go off on ANYONE without some prior provocation. All of them are quick enough with the insults or whatever in retaliation, maybe even to the extreme sometimes, but it has always been provoked first. To my way of thinking, if you dont want to get stung, dont go around pissing off bees.
As far as "ganging" goes, I just see it as squad tactics. They have each other's backs. Thats a good thing. They dont do it any worse than any of the other squads ever did, its just that they are one of the few squads left that have any real numbers up at any given time in a relatively small arena. Yes, it can get frustrating when the numbers get really low, but if it happens and they dont feel like switching, I just log off. Pretty simple solution.
Problems with individuals? Well, VWE sucks. :)
No seriously. He does.
Ok ok. Not really. I just get tired of him shooting me down lol. But thats more MY fault. No problems there, I just need to work more on my SA.
Other than VWE though, who really just gets folks ticked off at themselves, I think there are really only 2 others that get the focus of the anti-JG54 feeling. Storch, TK, I think are great guys. Both have a temper control problem. Storch has certain issues that seem to be buttons for other people to push, and they do. I think people get the wrong impression when they come in to the arena after someone else has had a chance to get him fired up, and the wrong ones end up being the focus of his temper. Makes for a bad rep. he doesnt completely deserve. TrueKill........ well, he's creative and pretty good at organizing........ but like most creative people I think he's about half nuts lol. It just seems sometimes like he is on a hair trigger and he doesnt do anything by halves. Whatever he is doing is 100%. Including going off on people. All I can say when someone pushes him over the edge is, thank God those guns arent real. Really, people see one of his eruptions and they REALLY get a bad idea about the CT. I can say his reactions are almost always provoked. I cant say the level of his response is always justified. I think he overreacts. But then I'm not him. Still, there needs to be some self control on the language. We all need to work on it, I know, but ..............
Anyway, its just my views. I think the squad brings alot to the CT. And if there is some bad with the good, thats true of every squad. They just stand out because they have the numbers and the presence. I say, if you dislike them that much, dont desert the arena. Come help shoot them down. :)
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Originally posted by Longdist
What the heck did I ever do to you Humble? I've been with the 325th Checkertail Clan for almost 3 1/2 years now and I've never slammed another individual player or squad either in jest or in anger. If you've got a beef with me, then you tell me and we can discuss it like men, but keep your insults and name calling to yourself. It's that kind of BS and trash talk that do nothing to improve things in the CT; which is what I believe allot of the threads here are referring to...
LD
"Train the way you fight, fight the way you train."
I dont recall ever meeting you in the CT but its possible. I dont have anything against "you"....however my personal feeling is that the checkertails started the downhill slide of the CT. How?
By running "missions" in the CT....basically you guys were the ones who initiated the whole "porking" phase. You would role up maps vs no opposition. You always went as a group and really were the 1st "gaggle" I ever encountered in the CT. You (as a group) also initiated the current "trash talking". I used to ask you guys why you would pork and fly as a gaggle against almost no opposition and I got back comments similiar to what you here now....along with the "squad" excuse. I feel today just like I felt then. You came to the CT since you couldnt cut it in the MA as a squad.
Thats not BS and its not "trash" its an observation based on 1st hand interaction. Your signature line cracks me up, the checkersnails used to "train" against undefended digital dirt in the CT....fought about the same way to back then.
But I'll give you guys credit, your in the MA now were you belong and I'm sure overall you've improved.
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if we all stopped wasting time on this thread and went to the CT right now i bet we'd have alot more fun.
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Originally posted by mechanic
if we all stopped wasting time on this thread and went to the CT right now i bet we'd have alot more fun.
:aok
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Originally posted by mechanic
if we all stopped wasting time on this thread and went to the CT right now i bet we'd have alot more fun.
amen
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I recently joined the 56th FG. We fly on Thursday night sometimes with JG54 in the CT. It's a GREAT TIME when you have 6 jugs vs. 6 190's or 109's. It really helps with the immersion, if you're into that aspect of Aces High. I think ToD will help simulate this environment more, as some computer opponents will fill in the missing blanks.
As far as the name-calling, I've never had a problem in the CT with anyone. I think immaturity begets immaturity. If you don't have a reason to talk, then don't, right? I think these guys are decent and we treat them decent as well. See you all in the CT on Thursday night!
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The CT is a wreck. By those who run it and those who fly in it. You know who I mean so don't try and come back with alot of crap about the great job you do until your willing to fix it. Or, have the powers that own this game fix it.
You can BS some of the people some of the time, but most of the people, never.
"nuff said.
Ren
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The ct is just a mini ma..people are people....I seem to remember my encounter there with the JG squad. The only thing worse than the gangin was the guys who got killed and re-entered the fight. Wingin is part of the game but reuppin in the ct after ya die and screamin into the furball again guns blazin i found to be overboard in a non MA evironment. Not much honor there. I made a few comments about the gangin and was told not to let the door hit me.....You asked I answered. No hard feelings jst bein honest.
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Expand on that Ren, this is an open disscusion. A generalization doesn't help us go forward. I go in and fly and mostly hear only from the minority, that's whay I asked the question on the General board and not the CT board.
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Thanks for the input Jaxxo. :aok
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Originally posted by VWE
Expand on that Ren, this is an open disscusion. A generalization doesn't help us go forward. I go in and fly and mostly hear only from the minority, that's whay I asked the question on the General board and not the CT board.
I already did. You know it. Others know it. Talking about it won't do anything to fix it. Your bringing it away from the CT and into the mainstream general discussion forum only re-enforces the fact there is a problem there. It begins with the arena moderators and works its way down to the few players in there. Skuzzy asked the question. "why isn't anyone sending him emails concerning the mess the CT iso of whining about it on the boards". Most adults drop in for some fun, determine it's a mess and leave without saying a thing. After all, there are other arenas they can go to so why mess with problems.
At one point in time many squads went over there and enjoyed themselves. Now yer lucky to have 10 peeps in there. Noob's used to go in there to get a handle on flying without the SA required to fly the MA and it was a good thing. Now they opt for the MA any day over putting up with the attitudes of the CT.
Ren
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Attitudes are changing Ren, seen some big adjustments this past weekend partly because of this thread I believe.
Tuesdays and Thursadys are the big nights now and usually now have 40+ peeps in there including participation from MA squads.
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Thats a good thing. Hopefully the one weekend of change will continue. It's sometimes hard for change to happen and requires continuous work.
Most of those who have been slighted and turned away, for whatever reasons, may venture back in. If change is truely afoot perhaps their attitude will reverse.
It won't happen overnight but sounds like a good beginning.
Ren
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A night in CT:
Sat night I think....at one point there were more JG54 than Rooks total...(15 guys in arena, on average--id post screenshot of roster, but havent a clue how;) had a JG54 guy on our base in a tiger....later same guy was there in OStI ...then deck buffs came.....I got vulched (once)...said somethin to vulcher--he defended it as 'protecting his bombers', as he landed his kills for the precious kill message---planes already in the AIR are somewhat more a threat to buffs than one just starting engines...he was being shot at as he vulched me...we got in somewhat of a pi$$ing match over that (my response was deck buffs are dweeby in and of themselves, and if they were even 5k, a plane on taxi wouldnt be a threat) (rooks already in the air kilt the afore-mentioned JU88's) ...blah..blah,..blah, the guy told me to take my whiny self back to the MA.... As I further pointed out the country # difference, a nice JG guy named N7 came over our side for a bit. ..On whole, had SOME great fights, but with 15-20 guys, base-taking, jabo-stuff, for which most squads exist, is utterly pointless. People who dont want to get watermelon beat out of them every night seem to have joined the JG54---5 of the top ten ranked guys in CT are in that squad. (In fairness to JG54, the situation prolly exists on other side, I just havent flown against the rest to notice) I realize most squads in CT have great disdain for the MA, but they act exACTLY like the squads in the MA---attack in masse, come in absurdly high...avoid any sort of adversity--I dont see a place for them--
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Originally posted by VWE
O.k. guys I'd love to hear from anyone who has been in the CT and feels that I or my squad are as bad as some people think. Coversly I'd like to hear anything possitive anyone might have to say too. :aok
Okay, after reading this post and all the comments I thought I would go to the CT (I go about once every 2 months) and give it a chance again.
What a load of crap!
Yes VWE, one of your squad members (I'll withhold the name) would only HO me. I was in a Mossie, he was in a Run90. No turning, no gentlemen's fight, just plain old MA HO and loop, HO and loop. (and no, I was not the "instigator"...got the video if you would like)
Pathetic.
The fight before I was 1 vs. 2. I was P47-D25 vs a 109G-10 and a 190D. YOU WOULD squealing THINK I WOULDN'T GET HO'D!!!! But no, even with 2 vs 1 odds (against the uber planes), I got HO'd by the 109 and sent packing.
And BTW, someone earlier flying LW had requested I stay out of a 1 vs. 1 fight. I acknowledged on Ch200 I would. Nothing against the 2 vs 1 fight, I enjoy the challenge, but to only be able to set up a HO shot with a wingman????????
Think that was it for me and the CT. Never again. If I want to get HO'd I'll head to the MA and not spend 10 minutes climbing to 25K+ plus another 10 min more flying to the 3 NME guys.
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FRIKKIN
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CARES
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Originally posted by Stang
WHO
FREKKIN
CARES
I did...
for a bit...
idea of CT nice, but ain't nothing but a mini-MA
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Gotta love the added value Stang brought to the table. Is he in your group VWE? He acts like his IQ is the equivilent of a donut. What a dolt! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Originally posted by XrightyX
Think that was it for me and the CT. Never again. If I want to get HO'd I'll head to the MA and not spend 10 minutes climbing to 25K+ plus another 10 min more flying to the 3 NME guys.
Yo, Righty. Saw you in there just before I had to log. Couple of comments, if I may.
Head-ons have been a much-debated topic, as we all know. You're going to get them in all arenas, all of the time. Avoid them if you see them coming. Nothing unique to the CT there.
While there wasn't a huge number of people in the CT when you were there (something like 16?), the sides were even and the fights were occurring between nearby bases. Don't think you can find a fight any quicker in the MA, except when your base is being vulched.
Personally, I thought the quality of the fights last night was very good. CT is not the DA, so 2 v. 1 and 2 v.2 are fairly common and, I think, quite a bit of fun. I saw people pulling away from fights in order to keep them from becoming 3-1 (Lowe and Nachwuch immediately come to mind). Saw quite a few new faces (yours included!). There was no trash-talking, there was quite a bit of post-mortem analysis, all in all I thought it was a good night for the CT.
Come on back. I'll bet you start to enjoy it.
- oldman
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No Ren, we have no stang in JG54... I got cherry picked by a couple of you new guys while in a 1 on 1 fight last night. I didn't complain out it, I just grabbed another plane and went back out. :aok
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Originally posted by VWE
No Ren, we have no stang in JG54... I got cherry picked by a couple of you new guys while in a 1 on 1 fight last night.
Me? Last night? New? In the CT?
I plead the 5th. I was not up last night :). I was at work...arggghhh...work! Well it does help me pay the bills..never mind...New? Me? Im an old phaurt! :D Opps, are you joshing me and using that figure of speech stuff again?
Ren :cool:
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Originally posted by VWE
No Ren, we have no stang in JG54... I got cherry picked by a couple of you new guys while in a 1 on 1 fight last night. I didn't complain out it, I just grabbed another plane and went back out. :aok
Got cherry picked by me once. :)
Highlight of my night lol.
While most of the fights I was in were in the Axis favor as far as numbers, they seesawed back and forth. Overall it was a blast. Storch was doing a heck of a job keeping everyone looking over their shoulders with that 262.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Got cherry picked by me once. :)
Highlight of my night lol.
While most of the fights I was in were in the Axis favor as far as numbers, they seesawed back and forth. Overall it was a blast. Storch was doing a heck of a job keeping everyone looking over their shoulders with that 262.
caveat spitdweebus et tempestdweebus. nice snacks. they were delicious. :D
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bad storch flyin a 262 w/o me
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Gotta love the added value Stang brought to the table. Is he in your group VWE? He acts like his IQ is the equivilent of a donut. What a dolt! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
Krispe Kreams are the bomb.
Mr. Dolt to you.
:p
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Originally posted by VWE
O.k. guys I'd love to hear from anyone who has been in the CT and feels that I or my squad are as bad as some people think. Coversly I'd like to hear anything possitive anyone might have to say too. :aok
You are kidding right? You guys are the reason I don;t come in there more often. But hey, for trying
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Originally posted by dedalos
You are kidding right? You guys are the reason I don;t come in there more often. But hey, for trying
good. we don't need anymore people like you. every time you have been on all I've seen you do is look for 1 v 1s to cherrypick and then whine incessantly when you get ganged. just seeing your handle on puts me in a bad mood. thanks for staying away. If you come back with a different attitude maybe the players will treat you differently.
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ROFL, Storch the CT welcome wagon Chairman.
Dedalos, I know you probably wont come back, but if you see me in there I'll wing with ya.
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Originally posted by storch
good. we don't need anymore people like you. every time you have been on all I've seen you do is look for 1 v 1s to cherrypick and then whine incessantly when you get ganged. just seeing your handle on puts me in a bad mood. thanks for staying away. If you come back with a different attitude maybe the players will treat you differently.
This is the part that just fasinates me, folks who are perfectly civil everywhere else come to the CT and become raving lunatics:)?
Meanwhile the group of folks who consistantly have the advantage in numbers, pork bases, camp bases with GV's and seem to invariably fly with a 2,3 to 1 ratio or more are "complaining" about cherrypicking etc...
Now admittedly my current perspective is very limited (things might have changed in the last week or two) but it sure seems like the guys in the glass house are throwing rocks again....
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Originally posted by humble
This is the part that just fasinates me, folks who are perfectly civil everywhere else come to the CT and become raving lunatics:)?
Meanwhile the group of folks who consistantly have the advantage in numbers, pork bases, camp bases with GV's and seem to invariably fly with a 2,3 to 1 ratio or more are "complaining" about cherrypicking etc...
Now admittedly my current perspective is very limited (things might have changed in the last week or two) but it sure seems like the guys in the glass house are throwing rocks again....
did you notice no one misses you?
it's amazing to me that people who have nothing good to say about the arena waste so much time fretting over things that admittedly don't concern them. I bet that at this very moment you are spying on a neighbor with your crooked decrepit finger in the dial of your antiquated telephone getting ready to call in a perceived code violation. pfft. a veteran, an experten!
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Originally posted by Grits
ROFL, Storch the CT welcome wagon Chairman.
Dedalos, I know you probably wont come back, but if you see me in there I'll wing with ya.
send him and the other idiot an invite to your squad.
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Originally posted by storch
send him and the other idiot an invite to your squad.
Hmmm. Not a bad idea.
But...then he'll learn the Secret Handshake!
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Hmmm. Not a bad idea.
But...then he'll learn the Secret Handshake!
- oldman
you'll have to demonstrate it to them every time they log on. don't forget to buy an industrial size box of LBBWs. you will need them.
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Storch,
You are killing me man. You keep proving my points about the CT. You know, that it is not the arena but the people in it :rofl
As far as me being a whining cherry picker, well, everyone that knows me knows that. That is the only way I can get any kills. I think I still have the film from our first engagement. It proves all your points :lol
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Originally posted by Grits
ROFL, Storch the CT welcome wagon Chairman.
Dedalos, I know you probably wont come back, but if you see me in there I'll wing with ya.
Don't mess with HIS arena man :lol .
I will be back for sure. If nothing else, just to piss off Storcie boy. Now that I think about it, I will be there tonite vulching and cherrie picking :cool:
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Phasers “Avoid the HO secret”
I have, after trying many different maneuvers, found a sure way to avoid the HO and here it is!
Clime out to 10 to 15K.
At the first sign of an HO, that is some one driving right at you like a nut ball, turn fast (anyway you want) and head for the deck.
Fly out of the engagement area at mach 2.5 and don’t look back.
Clime out to 10 to 15 K and try again.
Never, never, never go back right away. The gamer (not a pilot) will try to HO at every turn. Once a gamer try’s an HO on you, he, she, it will do it at every pass.
Phasers “Vulching for the week minded”
Pop up on the runway and sit there.
Don’t roll or try to take off.
Let the goony goo goo kill you.
Pop up on the runway and let him do it again.
As this is going on start letting everyone know that that a vulcher is getting kills at your base and you need them to come over and kill him. There is nothing more fun than to let a gamer vulch you and get 10 free kills and watch his butt get waxed. You can here him cry all the way home! If by some fluke he manages to land them, do not make any comments, no congrats, nothing. These kill will mean nothing, as they were given to the gamer, not earned.
This will only work in the CT, and only if we fly as a team.
OK, I have to go back to the MA now and Vulch someone with an HO!
Hehehehehe
Remember the Hawk!
:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
send him and the other idiot an invite to your squad.
Relax Storch, I'm just kiddin man. You know *I* think you are a good guy, and I actually find your vitriol funny.
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Originally posted by humble
This is the part that just fasinates me, folks who are perfectly civil everywhere else come to the CT and become raving lunatics:)?
Meanwhile the group of folks who consistantly have the advantage in numbers, pork bases, camp bases with GV's and seem to invariably fly with a 2,3 to 1 ratio or more are "complaining" about cherrypicking etc...
Now admittedly my current perspective is very limited (things might have changed in the last week or two) but it sure seems like the guys in the glass house are throwing rocks again....
:lol :aok
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some of the responses from the "CT regulars" in this thread are exactly the reason that many who venture into CT do not stay long or visit again
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Originally posted by Eagler
some of the responses from the "CT regulars" in this thread are exactly the reason that many who venture into CT do not stay long or visit again
the people that I'm responding to come into the arena and these boards to stir things up. they expect to be responded to. in fact they probably thrive on it when they aren't too busy snooping on neighbors. why disappoint them?
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JG54 Bad? Yes, very bad. All of em. Especially that Storch guy. ;)
So much of this issue would go away if people would just holster their ego's. I am not talking about JG54, but many of the CT players in general. Personally I would get rid of the ranking in the CT. That is part of the problem.
Can’t we all just get along and be more like oldman. ;)
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Originally posted by storch
the people that I'm responding to come into the arena and these boards to stir things up. they expect to be responded to. in fact they probably thrive on it when they aren't too busy snooping on neighbors. why disappoint them?
I see you feel the shoe fits ...
whatever the reason to respond, it takes two
Like daddog stated, if some would control their trap, the crap would stop flowing from both sides
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Originally posted by storch
the people that I'm responding to come into the arena and these boards to stir things up. they expect to be responded to. in fact they probably thrive on it when they aren't too busy snooping on neighbors. why disappoint them?
As a general rule folks only care about what people they respect think. You've clearly demonstrated that you not only have zero class...but that your delusional as well.
I flew the CT here before you even knew what Aces High was. If it looks worthwhile I'll certainly be back to check it out. As long as its "primary population" is folks like you I'll stick to the MA & DA....after all....if I want to see a sheep I'll just go to the zoo.
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Originally posted by humble
As a general rule folks only care about what people they respect think. You've clearly demonstrated that you not only have zero class...but that your delusional as well.
I flew the CT here before you even knew what Aces High was. If it looks worthwhile I'll certainly be back to check it out. As long as its "primary population" is folks like you I'll stick to the MA & DA....after all....if I want to see a sheep I'll just go to the zoo.
what? no mirrors in your house? too bad. you could see retarded sheep! experten retarded sheep!
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Originally posted by Eagler
Some of the responses from the "CT regulars" in this thread are exactly the reason that many who venture into CT do not stay long or visit again.
edited for content - added this first paragraph: hopefully any of you guys aren't gangbanged by us Finns, we try to split our numbers to avoid that except on FinnRus squadnights - which is Saturday afternoons Eastern time...
Now, I don't consider myself as a CT regular anymore (after the switchover to AH2, since there aren't much folks at Euro-primetime), but I've gotta say that I haven't had too much trouble with the CT regulars. There's always the vulcher, cherrypicker or something else that might upset you, but so far I've had good fights in the CT (against JG54, Slash27, Redd, Eagler, Oldman, Jamusta etc..). Especially this last setup (Rhine) has been good. CT! Keep the good fights coming...
And see you on the new Finland map, coming soon to a CT near you. ;)
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Originally posted by storch
good. we don't need anymore people like you. every time you have been on all I've seen you do is look for 1 v 1s to cherrypick and then whine incessantly when you get ganged. just seeing your handle on puts me in a bad mood. thanks for staying away. If you come back with a different attitude maybe the players will treat you differently.
Well, that didn't take long.
VWE, like I said, the CT is broke. I told you that and reasons why when you first posted here. Actions and attitudes speak louder than words. Until it's fixed don't plan on having alot of people come around to your way of thinking.
Hmmmm, imagine what might happen if that arena disappeared because of the small numbers, the way it's run and the attitudes in there. Your out numbered if you think the rest of the community might consider it a great loss.
Perhaps you should have gotten together with your buddies and said "if we gonna pull this off ya'll need to get a grip" before you posted.
Ren
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is that why when the MA was closed that one night there were 100+ ppl in the CT and the next day there were post about how grea the CT was?
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Originally posted by humble
l....if I want to see a sheep I'll just go to the zoo.
Yeah, but do they have Alt Monkeys and Slobber Donkeys?:D
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Originally posted by TrueKill
is that why when the MA was closed that one night there were 100+ ppl in the CT and the next day there were post about how grea the CT was?
If there were 100+ guys in CT, the clique (squads) that dominate all things in there would have been neutered, thus making it heap much more fun
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Perhaps you should have gotten together with your buddies and said "if we gonna pull this off ya'll need to get a grip" before you posted.
Don't be quick to judge the CT by what you read on the boards Ren... stick your nose in there and fly for awhile. Make up your opinion by participating and not by reading. :aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Yeah, but do they have Alt Monkeys and Slobber Donkeys?:D
I'm sure they have a bit of everything....you just never find out. Now maybe my last venture into the CT (two or three nights in a row) was just bad timing.....but a dozen others have posted very similiar experiences. From bj229r and gritz's post in a thread in the CT forum it seems like the same issues are ongoing over just the last few weeks.
Now obviously guys like plank are sensitive to the issues...and VWE seems serious about the subject as well.
My basic question is simple....why does the DA with no structure format or added appeal draw double or even triple the numbers the CT does? To anyone with a legitimate 3rd party perspective the answer is pretty simple....but I'm curious what the CTer's have to say about it....
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Originally posted by VWE
Don't be quick to judge the CT by what you read on the boards Ren... stick your nose in there and fly for awhile. Make up your opinion by participating and not by reading. :aok
Been there, done that. So have my squadies. And you know our squad has been around since '87 so we know and honor comments made by each other.
BTW, when the MA went down the guys also overflowed into the TA. What else can you expect so that argument holds no water.
It would seem you are also beginning to show your true colors. I have stated the facts, no attacks on anyone. I also said it like it was and you wanted to keep the discussion conversational. Now it's beginning to sound like the CT....only on the boards iso the arena. It would seem the tiger can't change its stripes after all.
I wonder if there had to be a vote by the community if AH had to close an arena for the TOD, how many do you think would vote for the CT after reading all this and experiencing it for themselves?
'Nuff said.
Ren
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BTW, when the MA went down the guys also overflowed into the TA. What else can you expect so that argument holds no water.
I made no comment about the MA going down Ren, that was TrueKill. Just because I'm squad CO doesn't mean I'm the only voice. Everyone has an opinion and we know what those are like. ;)
It would seem you are also beginning to show your true colors. I have stated the facts, no attacks on anyone.
What are you talking about? I haven't made an attack on anyone, on the contrary I believe I've been quite civil and open minded.
I wonder if there had to be a vote by the community if AH had to close an arena for the TOD, how many do you think would vote for the CT after reading all this and experiencing it for themselves?
Lets not get off topic and wonder about 'what ifs'... that doesn't do any good trying to speculate when we are seeking input of those that want to see a change made.
This isn't something that will happen overnight guys, everything takes time. I've read plenty of posts by newbies as well as old school whom seem to be enjoying themselves in the CT as of late.
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good. we don't need anymore people like you.
send him and the other idiot an invite to your squad.
funny way of getting new blood in. :(
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i LOVE The cherry picking comments. Most these guys won't fight you, and you HAVE to wait until they jump someone else (generally w/ numbers) and THEN kill them. Otherwise, they will run, run, run until they have friends/#'s, THEN, MAYBE they will fight if they have all the advantages.
I've had fun in the CT, just not that often.
BTW Damned squad. One of the oldest, and BEST squads in sims today. Back in the AW days, y'all were some of my fav. targets to kill. Pack o' loners now, but they always fly with respect/honor.
(eidt) except for DmdBlaze. He's a TOTAL DWEEB.
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Keep trying, VWE; you're doing the right thing with this thread.
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LOVE The cherry picking comments. Most these guys won't fight you, and you HAVE to wait until they jump someone else (generally w/ numbers) and THEN kill them. Otherwise, they will run, run, run until they have friends/#'s, THEN, MAYBE they will fight if they have all the advantages.
Thats my biggest issue....
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Keep trying, VWE; you're doing the right thing with this thread.
I agree completely....hopefully it'll translate into a better enviornment...
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hmmmm 63 poeple in the CT tonight I guess the CTs not all that bad, but half the ppl that posted here would never know that cuz they piss longer then they fly in the CT.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
hmmmm 63 poeple in the CT tonight I guess the CTs not all that bad, but half the ppl that posted here would never know that cuz they piss longer then they fly in the CT.
I looked at 8:30 or so EST, were like 5 guys...but a lil after that rooks were getting ganged off one of the small maps in MA, so lotsa refugees prolly went CT
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Amusing thread...but
To quote the Great Elvisious of Costellonia
"What's so funny bout peace, love, and understandin'.
Woof
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Originally posted by TrueKill
hmmmm 63 poeple in the CT tonight I guess the CTs not all that bad, but half the ppl that posted here would never know that cuz they piss longer then they fly in the CT.
When I went to DA there were 4....when I came out there were 29....would of popped in but didnt have time for even 1 hop....logged back on and it was down to 5.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
hmmmm 63 poeple in the CT tonight I guess the CTs not all that bad, but half the ppl that posted here would never know that cuz they piss longer then they fly in the CT.
You are right. The CT itself is not bad at all. When you get numbers in there, the good guys outnumber the stor...... err jackarsess and the CT experience becomes good. I was there last night and it was great. I guess any publicity - good or bad - can be good. These posts made people go there and try it. If the numbers stay above 30 or 40, the CT would be great. :aok
Now, that was just one day while a not so popular map was on the MA and after all this 'publicity'. Keep trying to get the numbers up instead of complaining about the people that posted their responces to a question. Numbers is the only chance the CT has in the short term. We really don;t need an MA with a limited plane set and people, so something else would have to change in the future, but for now, you need numbers.
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Had a fun time last night even after the big mission.
APDrone, great fight against you in your P-47... I had a real tough time trying to get a bead on you. That 47 can be real trouble if flown correctly. :aok
Thursdays will continue to be the 'big' night in the CT, for those of you that have not participated but are looking for a sample of ToD I'd say right now this is your best bet. And you'll get better frame rates to boot!
The wheels rolled at 10:30pm EST and I see this as the time for future Thursday missions. All in all we spent about an hour or so for the mission with lots of solo runs afterwards. I've got 262 film I'll be sending to True Kill today, he has 152 film and Stream14 has allied film we'll see if we can splice together.
to all who participated, thank you for giving the CT a try. For anyone whom would like to learn axis aircraft I'm in the CT almost every night and you are more than welcome to come wing with me.
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Originally posted by humble
When I went to DA there were 4....when I came out there were 29....would of popped in but didnt have time for even 1 hop....logged back on and it was down to 5.
you callin me a liar. we rolled at 10:30est about 15-30mins later there were 63 ppl in there about 45-50 were in the mission. the ones that were late uped from forward bases and met up with them. if u dont believe me ask slash he pionted it out to me, and i looked and yep he was right.
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tk
it may be better for the room if you limited your responses in this thread
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why? cuz im in JG54 and we are the best squad in the CT. jsut cuz humble doesnt like us isnt ganna make a difference. i think i talk on behalf of all jg54 we i say we dont give a crap what humble thinks.
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JG54 fly and kill as a squad. Some may call it gangbanging, but if I ask a squadie if he needs help and he says yes then I help him out. Its called team work, if you dont like it dont fly into a hord all alone. Theres going to be vulching, cherrypicking, gangbanging, est. in all fight sims, games. You cant fix that so the best thing you can do is shut up whining and play.
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56th came into the CT last night to furball as a squad. We kept it low and stayed in our Jugs. So how'd we do? Did you guys have fun tangling with Jugs below 10K? :)
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Originally posted by bustr
56th came into the CT last night to furball as a squad. We kept it low and stayed in our Jugs. So how'd we do? Did you guys have fun tangling with Jugs below 10K? :)
never saw any of you :)
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Originally posted by TrueKill
JG54 fly and kill as a squad. Some may call it gangbanging, but if I ask a squadie if he needs help and he says yes then I help him out. Its called team work, if you dont like it dont fly into a hord all alone. Theres going to be vulching, cherrypicking, gangbanging, est. in all fight sims, games. You cant fix that so the best thing you can do is shut up whining and play.
Truekill, that is a GREAT way to play in the MA, JG54 would prolly be a very successful MA squad, but in CT, that kind of mindset blows away the minor numbers on other side of the fence, and makes for a less than enjoyable experience for those who pop in and scope things out. 4 guys swamping some poor shmuck who just upped, hoping for a 1 on 1 furball, which DAMN sure doesnt happen often in MA, isnt gonna keep peeps comin back for more. Sorry I missed whatever went on last night, sounded like fun. Dont get much time to fly at night.
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that's why they *don't* fly in MA... cuz they're not all that. in CT they can use their numbers to prentend they are. backed up, of course, by milking the stats for rank.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Truekill, that is a GREAT way to play in the MA, JG54 would prolly be a very successful MA squad, but in CT, that kind of mindset blows away the minor numbers on other side of the fence, and makes for a less than enjoyable experience for those who pop in and scope things out. 4 guys swamping some poor shmuck who just upped, hoping for a 1 on 1 furball, which DAMN sure doesnt happen often in MA, isnt gonna keep peeps comin back for more. Sorry I missed whatever went on last night, sounded like fun. Dont get much time to fly at night.
not to be an arse but if you want a 1 v 1 you should try the DA. CT trys to be historical and in that part if your wingy needs help you help you dont blow past em and say to bad. even if its a guy i hate ill help out. i may be an stunninghunk but im not careless thats why i ALWAY ask first b4 dropin in, in the CT. but one thing we DO need in the CT is a good allied squad 56th FG stops by once and a while but it would be great if they came more often some of my best fights where when jg54 and 56th found each other. we fly the hell outa our 109s and 190s and they do the same with thier jugs. in the past 2-3 weeks the CMs have been in the CT more so if some1 does start something it ends real fast more ppl should try to CT its not as bad as some ppl think.
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Originally posted by Shane
that's why they *don't* fly in MA... cuz they're not all that. in CT they can use their numbers to prentend they are. backed up, of course, by milking the stats for rank.
lol shane what ever you have to tell yourself
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Originally posted by bj229r
Truekill, that is a GREAT way to play in the MA, JG54 would prolly be a very successful MA squad, but in CT, that kind of mindset blows away the minor numbers on other side of the fence, and makes for a less than enjoyable experience for those who pop in and scope things out. 4 guys swamping some poor shmuck who just upped, hoping for a 1 on 1 furball, which DAMN sure doesnt happen often in MA, isnt gonna keep peeps comin back for more. Sorry I missed whatever went on last night, sounded like fun. Dont get much time to fly at night.
This is how I feel as well. I go into the CT hoping to find what is lacking in the MA..respect and fair play. I've been in there 4 times now(admittidly not for very long stretches) only once was it pretty much even and very little ganging. One time while I was in there I had a 190 pass up my P51 to go vulch someone taking off(think bj229 might have been the victim?) He then proceeded to avoid me and do a slow turn back to his base so as not to engage me. He kept goin till a high buddy of his came and then he came back? It was so pathetic I couldn't help but laugh. I guess it's like any arena though, you'll have good fights/pilots and bad ones. Haven't given up on it and will continue to visit. Hope to see you guys up:p
[edit]: TK, I have no problem with a guy droppin in to help a buddy in trouble. 2vs1 isn't really outta control. I find it more laughable that the runner is suddenly brave enough to turn and fight. This is not about the guy who engages, gets beats and runs, this is the guy who doesn't even attempt to fight until help arrives.
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Originally posted by bustr
56th came into the CT last night to furball as a squad. We kept it low and stayed in our Jugs. So how'd we do? Did you guys have fun tangling with Jugs below 10K? :)
I found you guys towards the end of the night. Very good fights. With YUCCA and Nomde around I was glad to see BigMax in green:D
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Yeah, those 56th guys ate my lunch several times. :)
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Originally posted by TrueKill
you callin me a liar. we rolled at 10:30est about 15-30mins later there were 63 ppl in there about 45-50 were in the mission. the ones that were late uped from forward bases and met up with them. if u dont believe me ask slash he pionted it out to me, and i looked and yep he was right.
Hmmm....
Cant recall saying you were a liar anywhere in that post. In fact was pleasantly suprised the numbers were so high. When I came back and logged back on it was back down (no reason to doubt it got as high as you said). When I logged to MA the map had been reset....
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Originally posted by Shane
that's why they *don't* fly in MA... cuz they're not all that. in CT they can use their numbers to prentend they are....
what he said
they are the "best" squad in the ct cause they are the only squad
by some of their actions/words, I think they are trying to keep it that way
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One thing that really does suprise me is that I never see JG54 in TOD...here's a chance for them to excel in "their" enviornment (historical matchups in a squad only format) and I never see them....
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cuz we are a CT squad
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I don't really have anything against the JG54 guys. A couple of them are actually pretty good.
I am also one of those who find the "ganging, cherrypicking" comments directed at Dedelos rather amusing, considering the last time I flew in there (granted, a month ago), my fights were 3v1 consistantly. Then they had the nerve to ***** about my hopping in a spit to fight 3v1.
I think the CT could be viable though, once it got past a certain critical mass.
To be a success, the CT needs to provide a markedly different atmosphere from the MA. If friendly collisions are on, and kill-shooter is off, that will go a ways towards providing that. Just those by themselves will keep the X on 1's from getting too outrageous, since you have to be able to keep track of everyone around you instead of just the red guys.
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Truekill, you are not being completely honest with yourself. Your justify gangbanging as being "historical", when actually you prefer it because it allows you to get more kills. Anything which prevents you from getting kills, such as the other guy running, more having alt than you, etc., you guys ***** about on the radio.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Truekill, you are not being completely honest with yourself. Your justify gangbanging as being "historical", when actually you prefer it because it allows you to get more kills. Anything which prevents you from getting kills, such as the other guy running, more having alt than you, etc., you guys ***** about on the radio.
Last time I looked you wernt me so you have no ****ing clue what I think of prefer. If you knew how I fly you would know that if the guy runs I chase him. Just about 10mins ago I chased a chog into fleet ack to kill him. If he has more alt then me then I make him loose it if he wants to fight.
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Tonight in the CT I got gangbanged, cherried, HOed, run from, and biotched at. This happens to me every night in the CT with two major differences.
First, isn’t JG54 doing it, I fly with them.
Second, I’m not complaining about it because I wear boxers not panties.
The CT is a blast, very competitive, full of competitors, not for the limp-wristed. Whiners click here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000CF348/qid%3D1112427216/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-9033063-1543116). But seriously folks, it’s not that bad, it’s just that whining in the CT is like a wounded duck flopping around in a crocodile’s billabong…
Yours Truly,
Crocodile In Training
KONG
PS. Shane, come back, big pools of Donkey Slobber everywhere.
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Hey Kong
I am sorry but I have to steal that line for my sig
"I’m not complaining about it because I wear boxers not panties."
:rofl
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Originally posted by KONG1
Tonight in the CT I got gangbanged, cherried, HOed, run from, and biotched at. This happens to me every night in the CT with two major differences.
First, isn’t JG54 doing it, I fly with them.
Second, I’m not complaining about it because I wear boxers not
panties.
lessee....yeah, you da man!:D
The CT is a blast, very competitive, full of competitors, not for the limp-wristed. Whiners click here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000CF348/qid%3D1112427216/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-9033063-1543116). But seriously folks, it’s not that bad, it’s just that whining in the CT is like a wounded duck flopping around in a crocodile’s billabong…
I guess you need to talk to your CO because he's the one who came to the general discussion area to try and garner support for the CT. If you're getting negative responses as a result of the post it might be telling ya'll something. You can do with that info whatever you please because, whining aside, people just will stay away from the CT and your lil group can have all the fun it wants by itself.
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Ren
The Damned
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63 guys were on for that one misison thingy. I was there when they started showing up (had to log).
BEFORE that there were roughly 20 people there. I had some fun fights, and it was passably enjoyable. AFTER the mission thingy, people were scarce (logged in couple hours later and ZERO people in the CT)
I will pop into the CT if I see 20 ish people there. IF there are only 20 people on, it's dumb to run from a fight. What's the point? With that few of people on everyone should be wanting the fight, not running from it.
Nobody complained 'bout helping out a squaddie/team mate. EVERYBODY does that. It's more the whole "getting them to fight in the 1st place" that is frustrating. And don't give me that "I fly historically" bunk. If you ONLY flew historically, then you would wait in the tower, and all come together. And of course that isn't what usually happens. Last two times i've been on, I would be tooling around at 18k ish and spot an nme dot roughly co-alt. ALL con's I have met co-ish alt just flat out ran. ALL of them. Not one even tried to fight. Was only when a 2nd, or 3rd friendly of theirs showed up that they even consider fighting. How dull. Granted, there was a low alt furball going on, and THOSE guys were fighting (they kinda HAD to, they were commited). It's the timid, won't commit unless I have every advantage flyers that make the CT BOOOORING.
I'm starting to see Big Fish in Little Pond syndrome in this thread. Question was asked "JG54 in the CT, good or bad?", dont' start cryin' if you don't like the opinions expressed. Many are spot on.
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Originally posted by WMLute
63 guys were on for that one misison thingy. I was there when they started showing up (had to log).
BEFORE that there were roughly 20 people there. I had some fun fights, and it was passably enjoyable. AFTER the mission thingy, people were scarce (logged in couple hours later and ZERO people in the CT)
I will pop into the CT if I see 20 ish people there. IF there are only 20 people on, it's dumb to run from a fight. What's the point? With that few of people on everyone should be wanting the fight, not running from it.
Nobody complained 'bout helping out a squaddie/team mate. EVERYBODY does that. It's more the whole "getting them to fight in the 1st place" that is frustrating. And don't give me that "I fly historically" bunk. If you ONLY flew historically, then you would wait in the tower, and all come together. And of course that isn't what usually happens. Last two times i've been on, I would be tooling around at 18k ish and spot an nme dot roughly co-alt. ALL con's I have met co-ish alt just flat out ran. ALL of them. Not one even tried to fight. Was only when a 2nd, or 3rd friendly of theirs showed up that they even consider fighting. How dull. Granted, there was a low alt furball going on, and THOSE guys were fighting (they kinda HAD to, they were commited). It's the timid, won't commit unless I have every advantage flyers that make the CT BOOOORING.
I'm starting to see Big Fish in Little Pond syndrome in this thread. Question was asked "JG54 in the CT, good or bad?", dont' start cryin' if you don't like the opinions expressed. Many are spot on.
I sure did have to chase you a ton on the night in question. finally had to get a jet didn't I ;)
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Originally posted by storch
I sure did have to chase you a ton on the night in question. finally had to get a jet didn't I ;)
lol, i asked on ch200 if you survived the ram. Just read up the thread you don't tune. Curious, did you make it? Your guns missed me, but I didn't survive the thwak of our planes smashing together.
Chased me? lol no, was never chased. IIRC was in that furball I mentioned, after watchin' you HO/Joust that 262 over and over that the ram finally did me in. Finally joined in the furball, after geting bored to death when I grabbed.
Heh. Good times....
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nope didn't survive it. I saw sprites and you came apart. I was just too fast to get outta the way of the wreakage. looked like your right wing folded and came off. actually I thought you were going away from me. I don't typically HO and I usually dodge the HO. In that fight I just couldn't dive with certainty that you would miss me. very nice flying I was watching from above for a bit.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Tonight in the CT I got gangbanged, cherried, HOed, run from, and biotched at. This happens to me every night in the CT with two major differences.
First, isn’t JG54 doing it, I fly with them.
Second, I’m not complaining about it because I wear boxers not panties.
The CT is a blast, very competitive, full of competitors, not for the limp-wristed. Whiners click here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000CF348/qid%3D1112427216/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-9033063-1543116). But seriously folks, it’s not that bad, it’s just that whining in the CT is like a wounded duck flopping around in a crocodile’s billabong…
Yours Truly,
Crocodile In Training
KONG
PS. Shane, come back, big pools of Donkey Slobber everywhere.
great post K-KONG :rofl
careful shane you'll just get smacked around again. it's safer for you that you stay away.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
cuz we are a CT squad
So your a bunch of guys stuck in double AA ball....makes sense to me.
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Originally posted by humble
So your a bunch of guys stuck in double AA ball....makes sense to me.
nice landing on C183 yeterday. I was totally impressed with your uberexpertenlongtimercartoonp ilotyness. wtg ace :D
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Originally posted by storch
nice landing on C183 yeterday. I was totally impressed with your uberexpertenlongtimercartoonp ilotyness. wtg ace :D
Hehe....was a bit high wasnt I.....
Actually I had no problem flying with you at all.....
BTW champ.....
Dont confuse landing (an over rated skill:) with anything else.
PS you and truekill look awful nice in your sheepsuits:aok
http://www.adage.com/shared/includes/spotwin.html?vid=skittles-sheepboys05.asf&type=sow
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Originally posted by humble
Hehe....was a bit high wasnt I.....
Actually I had no problem flying with you at all.....
BTW champ.....
Dont confuse landing (an over rated skill:) with anything else.
PS you and truekill look awful nice in your sheepsuits:aok
http://www.adage.com/shared/includes/spotwin.html?vid=skittles-sheepboys05.asf&type=sow
you and dedalos do look remarkably well.
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Ok my take on the JG54 in the CT is.
Y'all are good to fly with. and make
worthy allies/foes. :aok
(By the way, I plan on becomeing
more frequently involved in the CT)
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Originally posted by storch
you and dedalos do look remarkably well.
Sorry son but it doesn't work quite like that....we've all seen the flyers down at the farm. I poached that one fair and square:)....go find your own material (or poach someone elses like I did:)).....
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Truekill, you and Kong break me up.
You guys are the inspiration for the "Pizza Guy" series, aren't your? Common, you can admit it. :-)
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Only flown there a few times for the reasons above...
JG54 almost always 3-4 v 1 with alt.
9 times out of 10 if got 1 of them alone he died.
I'd say they are average on average. Hard to tell since they almost always have numbers and alt.
If JG54 would like to test their skills in the DA say 5 v 5 or 6 v 6 in various planes, I'm sure we could round up enough BKs to have some fun. :)
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I Flew in the CT sunday morning and there was one 54 on one side and one on the other so I dont see that they are ganging up
I still got my bellybutton kicked any way :D
BTW sunday morning is saturday night EST
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Originally posted by DipStick
Only flown there a few times for the reasons above...
JG54 almost always 3-4 v 1 with alt.
9 times out of 10 if got 1 of them alone he died.
I'd say they are average on average. Hard to tell since they almost always have numbers and alt.
If JG54 would like to test their skills in the DA say 5 v 5 or 6 v 6 in various planes, I'm sure we could round up enough BKs to have some fun. :)
you could always just change the last five of your handle to a much more appropriate four lettered noun to describe yourself as well. :D we're in the CT every night and quite easy to find the DA is well...for people such as yourself.
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TDeacon,
Learn to merge,biotch!:aok
Got something to say about pizza drivers post it here:
http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion/
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Storch,
Don't have to do everything the complicated way, just take 4 letters out the middle.:cool:
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Originally posted by storch
you could always just change the last five of your handle to a much more appropriate four lettered noun to describe yourself as well. :D we're in the CT every night and quite easy to find the DA is well...for people such as yourself.
Now this I would pay to see....I dont think JG54 as a squad could handle 1 BK...let alone a 4 on 4 or 5 on 5....
In fact if you figured a 5 round 5 on 5 I'd say the over under for the BK's is about 23....
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Kong,
So, what outfit do you deliver pizza for? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against your profession. It's just that the big-fish-in-small-pond attitude which you project (as exhibited by the Pizza Guy character) is kind of amusing...
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Originally posted by KONG1
TDeacon,
Learn to merge,biotch!:aok
Got something to say about pizza drivers post it here:
http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion/
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Storch,
Don't have to do everything the complicated way, just take 4 letters out the middle.:cool:
heh :D
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Originally posted by humble
Now this I would pay to see....I dont think JG54 as a squad could handle 1 BK...let alone a 4 on 4 or 5 on 5....
In fact if you figured a 5 round 5 on 5 I'd say the over under for the BK's is about 23....
My point exactly.
They start a thread asking what people think about them then get insulting when they don't like what they hear. :rolleyes:
"Don't ask me what I think of you,
I might not give the answer that ya want me to."
PS... I'm the worst (skillwise) of the BKs but I'd be happy to duel any of you anytime. Win or lose ... I like to fight.
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Yea, you're right Storch, that post was a telling blow (whatever it means)...
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BTW, Storch, Kong, Truekill,
You might want to synch up with your leader, TWE. Your recent posts are undoing the good impression he created earlier in this thread...
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Originally posted by TDeacon
BTW, Storch, Kong, Truekill,
You might want to synch up with your leader, TWE. Your recent posts are undoing the good impression he created earlier in this thread...
I don't care what VWE's motives are or were.
I could care less what your opinions on any subject are. you seem like the kind of person who would likely drown in a glass of water. is that also too cryptic for you?
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Originally posted by DipStick
My point exactly.
They start a thread asking what people think about them then get insulting when they don't like what they hear. :rolleyes:
"Don't ask me what I think of you,
I might not give the answer that ya want me to."
PS... I'm the worst (skillwise) of the BKs but I'd be happy to duel any of you anytime. Win or lose ... I like to fight.
*they* didn't start a thread about anything. VWE did. see my response to the other whiner for your response.
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TDeacon,
Maybe this will help:
http://www.lighten-up.net/
:D
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Still kinda obscure...
Also, it's a lot more entertaining when you express yourself using your own words. How about another one of those underwear comments (about 25 posts up)...
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Originally posted by storch
*they* didn't start a thread about anything. VWE did. see my response to the other whiner for your response.
Are you suggesting people stop using broad statements? There would be no posts left to read and I'm not out of popcorn yet.
Best part is, I've fully admitted my lack of 'skills' at this video game yet the large brush is brought out on so many posts. If you want to say JG54 is no good at this animated cartoon dogfight-o-matron, just use my name for now on not the entire squads. The rest of the guys are really good sticks.
I don't go in the MA but once a month at the most for maybe 15 minutes (I don't frequent brothels) so I don't know the BK's or any other of the 1337 squadx0rs in there from a hole in the ground, but from what I've seen in this thread 'they' (sarcastic use of a generality) are no better than the opinion of my squad that seems to be going around.
In conclussion, the CT has been great the past few weeks and I'd say 90% of people seem to be enjoying their stay. The other 10% are folks who came in with the intention of having a bad time and if it wans't had, they forced it to be as such. The 10 percenters aside, the CT is looking at a nice little rebirth as far as numbers are concerned.
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Originally posted by DipStick
My point exactly.
They start a thread asking what people think about them then get insulting when they don't like what they hear. :rolleyes:
"Don't ask me what I think of you,
I might not give the answer that ya want me to."
PS... I'm the worst (skillwise) of the BKs but I'd be happy to duel any of you anytime. Win or lose ... I like to fight.
Hehe...
Thats like saying your the "backup" musketeer:)....
Thats a hard crew to fly with with, if your not both fast and a good shot you wont get anything but goose eggs or assists all night.
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THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT RIGHT HERE.. I love you guys
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We aim to please. :-)
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Oh...damnit! Dont tell me the show is over and I missed it?!?
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Originally posted by Grits
Oh...damnit! Dont tell me the show is over and I missed it?!?
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hey plank get down off of that table you're frightening the tourists. wow!!!! where'd you get all that money???!!!!!
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.squelch grits
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160 posts + in....what have we learned?
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Originally posted by aztec
160 posts + in....what have we learned?
that grits always shows up late for the show so never hang out with him?
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Originally posted by aztec
160 posts + in....what have we learned?
eschew leisure suit wearing babblers and people with extinct native american handles.
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Seriously folks....this horse is dead...we can stop beating it.
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but i just but 4 new 6" shiny nails in my beating stick can i keep doing it?
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My turn,
Had to find out what all this JG54/CT talk was about so went to CT Sunday AM. Had a couple 2v3 fights with another Bish(allies) against rediculously high N1K's and sneaky fast zeros, then my wingy seemed to change sectors and fly elsewhere..
So I'm facing three JG54 KI's gunning together after my lone F4U-1D, so I take them all to CV ack and land the 3 kills and log.. wasn't much fun
booz
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Originally posted by aztec
160 posts + in....what have we learned?
"My turn,
Had to find out what all this JG54/CT talk was about so went to CT Sunday AM. Had a couple 2v3 fights with another Bish(allies) against rediculously high N1K's and sneaky fast zeros, then my wingy seemed to change sectors and fly elsewhere..
So I'm facing three JG54 KI's gunning together after my lone F4U-1D, so I take them all to CV ack and land the 3 kills and log.. wasn't much fun
booz"
And I'm not trying to "throw rocks"....this simply is the way it always seems to be. I'll certainly come on in and check it out thursday....but day in day out what booz got is what I got when I was there.....cept I never was lucky enough to only find 3 (gee thats an even fight:)).......well close as you'll get I think.
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Originally posted by Boozer2
My turn,
Had to find out what all this JG54/CT talk was about so went to CT Sunday AM. Had a couple 2v3 fights with another Bish(allies) against rediculously high N1K's and sneaky fast zeros, then my wingy seemed to change sectors and fly elsewhere..
So I'm facing three JG54 KI's gunning together after my lone F4U-1D, so I take them all to CV ack and land the 3 kills and log.. wasn't much fun
booz
he takes us all to the ack it was only me you fooled with your jedi mind control tricks.
I have never seen a more timid player than this individual. you were only "facing" me and joedog who is not a member of JG54.
unless your "face" is the arse end of a running hog you are mis-stating facts. initially it was just you and I but you ran so much joedog felt compelled to dive in a shoot your ack bunny arse down. I agree with you. you are no fun at all and the MA is a perfect fit for you. come back and ack drag me some more that was some skillful ack flying. to give you an idea the ack is set so low that it took about five minutes of repeated carrier ack hits to kill me and I was out of ammo anyway. this thread will never die some of these guys are just too funny.
wtg boozer2. you might torch a fatty as well you and reality are diametrically opposed.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Still kinda obscure...
Also, it's a lot more entertaining when you express yourself using your own words. How about another one of those underwear comments (about 25 posts up)...
it was nice running into you in the CT last night. I have a question for you. why do you shut off your engine and drop your gear when you are fighting in the corsair? both times that I encountered you, you employed this technique. was it accidental? after the second time I thought not, but rather an intentional move. I thought you were supposed to keep the hog fast and extend instead of getting into a low E knife fight. am I wrong on that assumption? the only people that I have seen successfully employ the hog slowly are N7 and jamusta and they still get shot down as often as not.
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Originally posted by storch
it was nice running into you in the CT last night. I have a question for you. why do you shut off your engine and drop your gear when you are fighting in the corsair?
All F4U models enjoy a pretty good instantanous turnrate from high speed. Since the gear in F4Us acts as an airbrake, he was probably dropping it and trying to bleed speed quickly in order to turn inside you. It's a risky maneuver, but if someone times it right and has excellent aim, it pays off in spades.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
All F4U models enjoy a pretty good instantanous turnrate from high speed. Since the gear in F4Us acts as an airbrake, he was probably dropping it and trying to bleed speed quickly in order to turn inside you. It's a risky maneuver, but if someone times it right and has excellent aim, it pays off in spades.
-- Todd/Leviathn
ahhh, well he may have been hoping for an overshoot then in order to employ that technique. he didn't stand a chance. :D
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Originally posted by storch
eschew leisure suit wearing babblers and people with extinct native american handles.
Perhaps you should inform the millions of Native Mexicans whose ancestors were Aztecs that they are extinct. They are obviously unaware of this Sarge....BTW I think F-Troop was a television show, not reality.
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Originally posted by storch
it was nice running into you in the CT last night. I have a question for you. why do you shut off your engine and drop your gear when you are fighting in the corsair? both times that I encountered you, you employed this technique. was it accidental? after the second time I thought not, but rather an intentional move. I thought you were supposed to keep the hog fast and extend instead of getting into a low E knife fight. am I wrong on that assumption? the only people that I have seen successfully employ the hog slowly are N7 and jamusta and they still get shot down as often as not.
The hog can probably handle the Ki-61 in a co-e 1 on 1 , but the Ki-84 is a handful.
And a KI61/niki combo with 10K advantage are definitely a handful ;)
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Originally posted by aztec
Perhaps you should inform the millions of Native Mexicans whose descedants were Aztecs that they are extinct.
ok. first, inform me how what you just wrote works. :D
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Originally posted by storch
he takes us all to the ack it was only me you fooled with your jedi mind control tricks.
I have never seen a more timid player than this individual. you were only "facing" me and joedog who is not a member of JG54.
unless your "face" is the arse end of a running hog you are mis-stating facts. initially it was just you and I but you ran so much joedog felt compelled to dive in a shoot your ack bunny arse down. I agree with you. you are no fun at all and the MA is a perfect fit for you. come back and ack drag me some more that was some skillful ack flying. to give you an idea the ack is set so low that it took about five minutes of repeated carrier ack hits to kill me and I was out of ammo anyway. this thread will never die some of these guys are just too funny.
wtg boozer2. you might torch a fatty as well you and reality are diametrically opposed.
Boozer is cool, you'd be better of encouraging him to stay :)
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Originally posted by Redd
The hog can probably handle the Ki-61 in a co-e 1 on 1 , but the Ki-84 is a handful.
And a KI61/niki combo with 10K advantage are definitely a handful ;)
I must be doing a multitude of things incorrectly then. I do better in the Ki61 and will not touch the Ki84. I want to like the Ki84 but I don't. second sentance. pot, kettle. :D
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Originally posted by storch
ok. first, inform me how what you just wrote works. :D
Please excuse my mistaken word oh wonderful one.
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Originally posted by storch
ok. first, inform me how what you just wrote works. :D
think he meant ascendants :)
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Originally posted by Redd
Boozer is cool, you'd be better of encouraging him to stay :)
first impressions are awful important. :D but ok he may return to my arena. you have to supervise him though. :D
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Originally posted by aztec
Please excuse my mistaken word oh wonderful one.
since you asked nicely, ok :D
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Originally posted by storch
I must be doing a multitude of things incorrectly then. I do better in the Ki61 and will not touch the Ki84. I want to like the Ki84 but I don't. second sentance. pot, kettle. :D
First point
KI84 is way better in every way than the 61 can't believe you don't like it . The climb is the killer card when it comes to the hog - if the fight gets close at all, the Ki84 can just climb all over the hog at will. In fact it can decide whether it feels like outturning the hog - or out E-fighting the hog. Does both equally well
Second point
I usually don't accuse someone of cherrypicking when they start out 10K below me though ;) But that's just me.
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Originally posted by storch
first impressions are awful important. :D but ok he may return to my arena. you have to supervise him though. :D
:lol
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Originally posted by storch
I must be doing a multitude of things incorrectly then. I do better in the Ki61 and will not touch the Ki84. I want to like the Ki84 but I don't. second sentance. pot, kettle. :D
As sad as it is that I agree with the CT resident lounge lizard on anything I also love the Ki-61 (I'll fight anything 1 on 1 in it) and hate the Ki-84. In fact the Ki-61 is my main ride in the MA...no problems with it at all.
As for the hog....I probably fight half the fight with the wheels down on average. Now alot of that is I dont normally fly that high and get bounced by alot of spits and lala's....done right your looking to do two things....1st force an overshoot or as levi said to drastically tighten your turn rate...
When I'm positive E it makes alot more sense to fly it as an e fighter. I'm guessing you were positive E and the hog was trying to go angles on you....no clue why you would kill engine.
http://www.azhacker.com/images/Relic38.ahf
Put this clip up awhile ago (in TA bbs I think)...in the end it didnt matter but it gives a reasonable idea of what dropping the gear can do....again seemed like the best option in a bad hand....certainly made for a fun fight....nother movie with a bad ending though;)
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Before the 84 showed up on scene I loved the 61... since the 84 showed up I've flown the 61 only once or twice. The only thing that 61 does better than the 84 IMHO is dive...
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Storch:
Easy answer is that I rarely fly US planes, and have little idea how to do so. I was experimenting (unsuccessfully) in seeing if I could get you to overshoot, but I did it too gradually. More practice is needed...
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Storch and Humble both hate the KI-84. Obviously both are retards.
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Well, its decided then. There is NO problem with the CT, and anyone who thinks so is a smarmy, know-it-all, MA putz.
(Way to go on those top-ten rankings JG's)
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Originally posted by bj229r
Well, its decided then. There is NO problem with the CT, and anyone who thinks so is a smarmy, know-it-all, MA putz.
(Way to go on those top-ten rankings JG's)
''in continuing my practice of being salmon like. the CT is all messed up and I hate it. the MA rules. you must be related to slash.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Storch:
Easy answer is that I rarely fly US planes, and have little idea how to do so. I was experimenting (unsuccessfully) in seeing if I could get you to overshoot, but I did it too gradually. More practice is needed...
it almost worked on both occasions. the only thing that prevented my cartoon death was a heavy trigger finger on my part. on both occasions I was cherrypicked by the non cherry pickers. as an idea, you may want to incorporate a roll in that technique. you would have had me both times had you done so, but the ubiquetous non cherry pickers would have had your snack irrespective of your fine manuevers. fun fights both times.
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you must be related to slash.
He must be a hell of a pretend fighter ace:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
you must be related to slash.
He must be a hell of a pretend fighter ace:D
or a damned fine beer drinker and watcher of dancing wimmins in cages!!!
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Originally posted by storch
it almost worked on both occasions. the only thing that prevented my cartoon death was a heavy trigger finger on my part. on both occasions I was cherrypicked by the non cherry pickers. as an idea, you may want to incorporate a roll in that technique. you would have had me both times had you done so, but the ubiquetous non cherry pickers would have had your snack irrespective of your fine manuevers. fun fights both times.
Storchy,
Seriously, you need to read up on the definition of "cherrypicking" , you seem to apply it liberally , everytime you get killed.
And somehow it only ever seems to apply to others , never to yourself ;)
Regards
The ubiquitous cherrypicker
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Originally posted by Redd
Storchy,
Seriously, you need to read up on the definition of "cherrypicking" , you seem to apply it liberally , everytime you get killed.
And somehow it only ever seems to apply to others , never to yourself ;)
Regards
The ubiquitous cherrypicker
notice I clearly stated the non cherry pickers.
I wasn't referring to you as a cherry picker mate. you are a well rounded and versatile player. you are also a gentleman and a scholar.
as for myself well.... I'm a liar and a poor judge of character :D
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Originally posted by Slash27
Storch and Humble both hate the KI-84. Obviously both are retards.
You are 50% right :lol
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Originally posted by storch
as for myself well.... I'm a liar and a poor judge of character :D
You are 1,000% right :lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
You are 1,000% right :lol
what's the matter? you didn't get your turn in the barrel?
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Originally posted by storch
what's the matter? you didn't get your turn in the barrel?
lol, come on, you have to admit, it was funny :p
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Originally posted by dedalos
lol, come on, you have to admit, it was funny :p
yes it was. now answer the question.
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Originally posted by storch
notice I clearly stated the non cherry pickers.
I wasn't referring to you as a cherry picker mate. you are a well rounded and versatile player. you are also a gentleman and a scholar.
as for myself well.... I'm a liar and a poor judge of character :D
lol thanks very much , I'll definitely accept that in the spirit it was given ;)
I might have filmed one of the fights in question . You want me to mail it to you ? It's a quite a sad film, but fortunately it has a happy ending.
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Hmmm... who's going to make tis thing go to 5 pages... better not be grits!
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We have a winner!
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yesterday when I logged on there were members of a large an capable allied squad milking bases, HO'n gang banging and some members running like little girls hollering for help the second they thought they had lost the advantage in a furball. I know this because we had squaddies playing both sides for balance. all I want to say is welcome. I hope you enjoyed yourselves. the few fights I did have with you guys were fun. btw how did you like being stung by a mosquito? do tell. :D
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Originally posted by storch
yesterday when I logged on there were members of a large an capable allied squad milking bases, HO'n gang banging and some members running like little girls hollering for help the second they thought they had lost the advantage in a furball. I know this because we had squaddies playing both sides for balance. all I want to say is welcome. I hope you enjoyed yourselves. the few fights I did have with you guys were fun. btw how did you like being stung by a mosquito? do tell. :D
I had a great fight in the CT yesterday , with a chap, funnily enuff , he didn't HO cherrypick ackrun gang bang scream for help , or do any of those things, a real rarity.
Glad to have him as a squaddie OM ;)
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Originally posted by Redd
I had a great fight in the CT yesterday , with a chap, funnily enuff , he didn't HO cherrypick ackrun gang bang scream for help , or do any of those things, a real rarity.
Glad to have him as a squaddie OM ;)
well now, there are two sides to every story aren't there? :D
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I came in about a week ago.. First time in the CT in about 5 days past forever. In any case, I thought it was a fun experience. I didn't hear any trash talking while I was there, but had some good fights. Some with Redd, Oldman, I think Truekill was around there as well. Was kinda rough because every fight that started as a 1 on 1 seemed to turn to a 2 on 1 or worse. This could be just the way it has been lately. I have been getting ganged in the MA like crazy lately, but it is amazing how many people run away and not look back when they are lured into an overshoot. I had a 109F run from my p51 last night after he dove on me, I made him over shoot, then rolled onto his 6, and he could have reversed and put me into a turn fight which he would have easily won. Instead, he hits the WEP and flies off into the sunset never to be seen again :lol
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Originally posted by Redd
I had a great fight in the CT yesterday , with a chap, funnily enuff , he didn't HO cherrypick ackrun gang bang scream for help , or do any of those things, a real rarity.
Glad to have him as a squaddie OM ;)
Heh, I was too terrified to do any of those things, and I don't use VOX after the family is in bed (which, not coincidentally, is usually when I fly).
That was a great fight, Redd, wish that those people hadn't come in and ended it. Thanks for the film, will try to figure out how to watch it soon.
- oldman
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WOOT 207 posts we tied with that Aunt Bee post and its locked come on guys lets make this a super thread.
oh btw JG54 are nogood gangbangin scorepotatoin trashtalkin vulchin cherrypickers! :rofl
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OK, this makes it 208; are you happy now?
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It hasn't been mentioned in this thread, I don't think, but rocky road ice cream has replaced the walnuts with almonds. A fine choice, in my opinion.
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why don't you search out X2LEE ( Tommy VWE you know him?) and ask him the same question that started this thread?
Heck, VWE at one time all 3 of us flew together, then as always things happen, people move on........
I quit flying CT mostly because of that incident , although I do pop in for a flight or 2 ocassionally........
I figured though they would have done renamed the CT the JG54 arena by now :D
most of the JG54 I ever ran into seemed ok, some are arrogant , but heck there is all kinds in all types of games........ look at Shane, just got to accept people the way they are ( no offense Shane just ribbin ya, :p )
so every thing I just commented on doesn't count worth 2 cent to this 6 page thread.............
TC
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oh no not almonds anything but almonds LMAO:rofl
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Hey TC, yeah we all used to fly together... would probably still fly together were the incident in question not handled as poorly as it was. But everything happens for a reason, I'll be in the CT and ya'll will be in the MA and our paths will cross every once in a blue moon. :aok
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Originally posted by VWE
O.k. guys I'd love to hear from anyone who has been in the CT and feels that I or my squad are as bad as some people think. Coversly I'd like to hear anything possitive anyone might have to say too. :aok
IMO for what it may be worth I dont think it matters, after all isnt the CT an arena, not the same as the Main Arena, but certainly just as viable? Therefore not to have an operating squad there seems a bit foolish to me at least since the Main Arena has so many.
I am a brand new player ( 3 weeks this week ) and have been in CT maybe 3 times but I still feel the same way.
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Originally posted by AuntBee
I am a brand new player ( 3 weeks this week ) and have been in CT maybe 3 times but I still feel the same way.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I'd like to think that at Java's age, he'da layed the crack pipe down.
I guess if he did, it was only to repack it.
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Hey Scrap, I hate to be the one to fill you in on this, but Cleveland sucks!
If it's Brown flush it down!
:lol
Go Bengals!
:D
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What I wanna know (not really, come to think 'bout it) is if Jave puts on the make up and bloomers to post as AuntBee.
Just found out AuntJava was tellin' people in the DA that he/she got me banned. Friggin' hillarious. Some people just don't even have a clue.
Oh...and yeah, the Browns do suck
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We need to watch it that "I am currently undefeated" thread is sneaking up on us. Come on keep posting how much yall hate JG54 and the CT we need to keep this alive!!
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hmm sorry, wrong one:(
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u missed something
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Originally posted by TrueKill
We need to watch it that "I am currently undefeated" thread is sneaking up on us. Come on keep posting how much yall hate JG54 and the CT we need to keep this alive!!
Its not the JG54 they dont like, its you.
And if they dislike anything about the CT, it's atmosphere of the in which you pollute.
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yep what ever u say ur always right
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It's not so much that that individal JG54 squad members are bad guys, they areant. Though I think many are timid pilots individually, but they do get and annoying when they fly in those high alt gaggles that compose 50-70% of CT attendance at any given time.
And ceratinly going by TK's comments your squad is now a bad ting for the CT, and you are apparently doing it intentially now - to make CT hell or something.
Bad form. If JG54 has any self respect or even wants to prented it follws that 5 page diatribe on honor and standards on its website they shouyld boot TrueKill immediately.
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that crap on the website is almost two years old back when jester ran the squad. once he left those rules and horon crap went with him. we.v beed through that in the other thread. u got any new crap to say?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Its not the JG54 they dont like, its you.
And if they dislike anything about the CT, it's atmosphere of the in which you pollute.
<> Morph
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Originally posted by TrueKill
that crap on the website is almost two years old back when jester ran the squad. once he left those rules and horon crap went with him. we.v beed through that in the other thread. u got any new crap to say?
So I was wrong and now JG54 is officaly a squad of jerks?
Heck, do you even ave a clue how arrogant it was for you to say that JG54 would nor ruin the CT for all on purpose.
It would be glorious irony if your whole squad was perma banned from the CT and be forced to prove yourself in the MA - you know - the arena with hundreds of players, many battles, unpredictability and oh by far the best players in AH. And no CT pilots arent the best pilots - you rely on the predictability in small numbers and limited plane sets to fight the way you fight.
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Its not the JG54 they dont like, its you.
And if they dislike anything about the CT, it's atmosphere of the in which you pollute. [/QUOTE]
The nail has been hit on the head.
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changed my mind recently.
JG54 will have no morals as to ganging, ho'ing, cmaping, vulching et al.
CT has once again become unresponsive and boring.
and they always are 3k above you
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Originally posted by mechanic
changed my mind recently.
JG54 will have no morals as to ganging, ho'ing, cmaping, vulching et al.
CT has once again become unresponsive and boring.
and they always are 3k above you
and your little dog too!
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see, everyone hates me now. :)
i always thought you were a virtual friend, why iw everyone so grud damned angry these days?
the light hearted fun of AH1 is gone for good.
edit: thing is storch, i like you guys and enjoy fighting you all but when i get ganged 4 on 1 and ho'ed i expect you all to laugh about it on ch200 or whatever, maybe send a salute to a worthy opponent.......
but nothing, nada, no resposes or laughs or fun.
which makes me feel like you guys just out to be ranked #1 and play in such a mercinary fashion that fun has been lost in the whirlwind.
playing in tanks last night was fun, but you guys wouldnt even respond when i S ya or anything.
may as well fight unfair odds against AI drones. same feeling of nothingness.
batfink
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Originally posted by mechanic
see, everyone hates me now. :)
i always thought you were a virtual friend, why iw everyone so grud damned angry these days?
the light hearted fun of AH1 is gone for good.
edit: thing is storch, i like you guys and enjoy fighting you all but when i get ganged 4 on 1 and ho'ed i expect you all to laugh about it on ch200 or whatever, maybe send a salute to a worthy opponent.......
but nothing, nada, no resposes or laughs or fun.
which makes me feel like you guys just out to be ranked #1 and play in such a mercinary fashion that fun has been lost in the whirlwind.
playing in tanks last night was fun, but you guys wouldnt even respond when i S ya or anything.
may as well fight unfair odds against AI drones. same feeling of nothingness.
batfink
most of us dont tune to ch. 200. but if it is a good fight i send a everytime no matter who died. but some of the times we send a some ppl thinks thats the signal to start bashing on us and how we fly. thats y most os the time i never first.
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none of you are tuned to 200, apart from whenever one of you lands kills atleast one of you says wtg on c200 for everyone to see.
but whatever, im sick of the game right now.
nothing personal to anyone.
i dont dislike anyone although alot of folk are finding a dislike to me... hehe
so be it.
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yea kong always says wtg on ch. 200 i dont know y. oh and will it make u feel better if i say everyones always hated u, u just started noticeing it now :aok :D
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oh yeah, much better thanks.
basically this thread has ruined the CT anyhow.
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please lock this thread and let us start a new one - one on the positive aspects of the CT and those that fly in it
enough negative crap please
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Originally posted by mechanic
oh yeah, much better thanks.
basically this thread has ruined the CT anyhow.
the CT was "ruined" way before this thread. the CT preatty much went to pieces when AH2 came out.
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i would wager a small bet that JG54 have a competition to see who can finish the tour with the best rank.
am i right? :p
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no but me and N7 joke around about who has the better rank:cool:
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Originally posted by TrueKill
the CT was "ruined" way before this thread. the CT preatty much went to pieces when AH2 came out.
Intersting perspective, why do you think the AH2 upgrade hurt the CT?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Intersting perspective, why do you think the AH2 upgrade hurt the CT?
oh well i dont know. i might have been the whole it took about have the ppl that played the CT outa the game.
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The only problem the CT had before all of this came up was a lack of people flying in it.
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ty stang and that is why i make the thursday night missions is to try to get more ppl in there. at lease bring it back to where it was before AH2. about 15-20 ppl in there a night.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Intersting perspective, why do you think the AH2 upgrade hurt the CT?
There wasnt a CT for a period of time after the release of AH2. When it was reopened the only maps that were available were MA maps for several weeks. We then got the BoB map and things picked up a bit but things got stale soon with the same map week after week after week. We did mix things up a bit like running Finn/Russ on it, but it seemed like alot of people coming in couldnt get past the plane set not matching the map. Maps started to come in and numbers fluxed up and down. The technical side of things have improved alot but the atmosphere sucks. I have no explantion beyond that. Peoples actions speak for themselves at this point. My knee jerk reaction before when you said the CT was a failure was that you were wrong. That was because of my memories of how the CT was. Given what it is now, I think you may be right.
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so in essence, what is missing from the CT at present is a friendly atmosphere and open channel where friends and foe can chat.
dying to a 3 on 1 gang bang is not so bad if you can laugh about it after.
when its just s 'die, die, die, you have been killed by a machine' feeling, the sense of enjoyment is hugely decreased in my view.
some of the better sticks in the game fly in CT and the fights are always quality.
just lacking that human imput feeling the MA has.
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by the time I logged last night, 2 am est this morning, I had been killed by or flown side by side with some of AH best:
Levi
Redd
Truekill
daddog
Morpheus
jamusta
YUCCA
VWE001 .. to name a few
it was civil and extremely enjoyable, considering I spent as much time in a chute as I did an aeroplane :)
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<--Cough cough>
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and Nomak who repeatedly spanked me
and all the others I have left out :)
great fun - hope for many more nights like that one
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Early on I was wanting to talk some smack and Leviathn kept me in check.
I am really glad he did..... I also had a great time. Not a sour grape all night. Just good old fashioned fights.
Dave
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There was a couple of great little mini-furballs in the middle of the channel , 4 on 4 roughly , that were a lot of fun
all that were there
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man, JG guys even gang ya on BBS;