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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fidd on February 22, 2001, 08:20:00 PM
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It's nice to find an evolving game, but I was surprised at the rather odd selections for planes expansions in 1.06. Arado? Ta152? Aren't there more deserving aircraft for scenario use that could have been produced?
A personal wishlist: He111, Bf110 and 109e - and the most glaring omission - the Hurricane. Fancy having a plane-set which can't support a Battle of Britain event!
Enough of this late war iron already! Let's have some machinery which rewards good gunnery and ACM - not just raw firepower and horsepower!
Fidd
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Fire up Napster. Do a search for the artist Metallica and the song So What.
Download and Listen to it, come back when you're done.
-SW
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my fav group of all time listen to them some times when i am flying
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Metallica is _THE_ best. I don't really like the albums after the Black Album(Metallica). Garage, Inc is a good compilation though. I also like Megadeth well Megadeth's OLDER stuff anyway.
I'm a real metal head. ;-)
-SW
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Dont worry Fidd.
More planes will be added eventually, HTC is trying to fill the gap that other companies have created. Remember, this is a very young game, you will see all the planes you want in a few months, it will be worth it.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you Fidd!
I just finished reading Duel of Eagles by Peter Townsend, and the more I read, the more I wanted to log on and fly a Hurricane.
anRky
-Ih8ubb
[This message has been edited by anRky (edited 02-22-2001).]
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That's a lie! VVS has waited over 1 year for the La-7... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Seafury and the p-82 twin mustang. hehe jk i would like to see the seafury though just not too sure the seafury was a late war plane correct?? i am not too sure just watched a show on it on discovery wings.anyone know when the seafury was brought into action?
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Prototype Sea Fury flew February 21 1945
Sea Fury accepted for deck duties in spring 1947
Sea Fury F.B 11 enters service with 802 Sqn in May 1948
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For my metalhead compadre Akseawolf. Check out my bands music. Its heavy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
http://members.home.net/dirgeweb (http://members.home.net/dirgeweb)
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Mk III Mustang (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hardly an early war plane. But a beauty!
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Gahhhhhh! Not the clipped wing version!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
In arena: semperfi
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I flew BoB event in WB, you guys dont know what you all missed!!!, but to be honest if AH had the early plane set, then a BoB event in here would of looked and maybe played better.
What suprises me is that our "Yankie" Friends cant even play Pearl Harbour or any of the early to mid pacific stuff, if they could represent that they would bring in many more players.
Marcof 249RAFC~H~Q.
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Thanks Animal, I can see that HTC are so doing, but woul it not be more logical to add these "non-mainstream" planes (Ta152/Ar234 etc) *after* the set is fleshed out adequatly? I fully agree with the poster decrying about the Yanks not being able to refight Pearl. Very very odd imho. I am new here, (to AH) from AW; but there scenarios and historical refights kept people in the game LONG after it started to become dated technically; and that is mostly a testament to the massive planeset.. It seems to me to be shortsighted not to improve this situation but rather to add oddities merely to be able to "headline" that AH now has the <insert low use WW2 oddity here>..... This is an empty marketing gesture without having a sensible plane-set to start with.
Fidd
Originally posted by Animal:
Dont worry Fidd.
More planes will be added eventually, HTC is trying to fill the gap that other companies have created. Remember, this is a very young game, you will see all the planes you want in a few months, it will be worth it.
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Cool Gunslayer.. the mp3 you have on the page only lets me download about 30KB of it before it cuts off. Nice page though.
Now about a "Pearl Harbor" scenario... what drugs are you on?
The only thing the US guys would be able to do for a Pearl Harbor scenario is sit on their cans drinking coffee and watch the japanese fly right on in and bomb the hell outta our destroyers and escorts and then blow up our airfields and strafe our planes.
Oh boy, we can launch 2 P40s.. wooptie doo.
-SW
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Yup, was in the BoB event in WB, miss those Historical big events and the HA arena.
Should get more Historical Events soon though, Afrika Corps was great fun.
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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Oh yeah, scenarios are the only thing I miss from WarBirds. AK was a blast, even with wrong planes, becouse we badly needed a scenario. But forget good scenarios till we have a good planeset. 1944 scenarios? Bodenplatte? Defence of the Reich with FW's climbing up to 25K just to be eaten alive by USAAF and RAF escort? 1944-45 CV actions with Zekes butchered by late F4U's and Cats? No one will fly *only* those scenarios for a long time ... Oh yeah, let us smoke and drink something strong and we'll take off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, whereas the Jerries will run." (G.Beurling)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 02-23-2001).]
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I hear you Fidd. And I'm sure Pyro isn't unaware of what many peopl want either. One thing about AH is some folks will be really happy with every release while others need to learn patience aka pissed off. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) IMO, based on having been here since day one, HTC has EVERY intention of modelling mid and early war aircraft. They chose the way that they have for many reasons, none of which was a coin flip or use of a "Magic 8" ball.
Here's some good reading. IMO it is one of THE best discussions I've read anywhere in the last year. DoK Gonzo in particular I agree whole heartedly with. Others sound smart but are very narrow minded top say the least and cannot see a big picture. But then we all have different opinions now don't we?
It's about the only time I can recall recommending an AGW topic too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/018401.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/018401.html)
Curly
[This message has been edited by Curly (edited 02-23-2001).]
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Stop torpedoing this thread with your "early war plane" stuff folks!
Metallica is okish but why waste your time with 'em when you can listen to King's X or Tool? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
btw one favorite memory back in a WB scenario was killing two hurricanes in a single pass - good 'ol Me109E (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hmmm, if AH had them, would it be even more fun to kill hurries in a Ta152?
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Well its kinda obvious if you think about it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Lets think... why would HTC be adding a bunch of "what if" or very low usage planes in 1.06, ie Ta152, Arado, Tempest (and the first one to mention the La7 in this capacity gets slapped with a wet mackrel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) since there were 5,700+ of them)
Last version HTC rolled out the Perk Point System (PPS) concept and its framework.
What good is the PPS without planes that would normally be perked?
So thats why your seeing them this version, and the others are just logical extensions of filling out the late war planeset that HTC has started with.
Sorry guys, but I just think it will be a while before you see alot of "early war" planes. I figure HTC will finish the late war (along with a few perks here and there), and then start working on the midwar long before you see a "BoB" planeset.
Edit: Oh yah, and while I like Metallica, I am much more of a Tool fan. Of course I have lately taken a real liking too Papa Roach too.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 02-23-2001).]
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p.s to my last....
This is by no means meant to be disrespectful to banana or Daddog AT ALL and I have no idea what the current personal relationship is between Pyro, HiTech and DoK Gonzo but I think they would be foolish not to offer DoK a free account or two and ask him involved with the AH scenarios.
Curly
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FWIW,
It seemed to me that every other weekend there was some damned BoB scenario or weekend warrior in WBs. I got abolutely sick of spits and 109s.
Hell, they could have named WBs BoB and been nearly on the mark.
I flew WBs from apr96 thru sept99 and played in three major events. For me I prefer the main arena. Scenarios are too damned boring and the servers always seemed to be porked with mass warpage and discos. Just never got a decent return in timed invested from them.
I just wish these new guys would engage their brains and do some thinking before making heated comments about AH lack of early war pea shooters. And for anyone to assume AH is somehow stagnent just shows how ignorant they are on the subject.
Yeager
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Well, I'm not taking anything away from Dok Gonzo, since he is admittedly a Scenario god. But he also runs them as a god, very autocrat and on a whim. His and his only.
He doesn't play well with others. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Doing the early war plane set just because everyone else has isn't really a superb reason. It seems HTC is trying to fill the current void. I can't fault them for that.
I have no special needs for an early war plane set. I do have a need for an early war plane.
Come on HTC.. give us a P40 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Copy that Verm. My pov is different from not having been there. When I think about it what you say sounds very probable (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
C
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Yeager, 1940-42 so called peashooters belong to a balanced phase of the war. I'm sorry if you didnt enjoy WB scenarios at all. Perhaps flying Main Arena doesnt need engaging brain.
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No reason to get all upity Gatt. The reason for Yeager's OPINION is that it gets extremely repetitive when you see the same scenario or scenarios over and over again.
The only scenarios I participated in were the Tuskegee Airmen event, and two pacific events. One where I was flying a Ki43 for island defense in the south pacific and the other was to intercept some B17s or their escorts that were bombing germany.
-SW
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Please not forget that not everyone has had the chance to participate in an early scenario like the BoB. I for one hasn't and I would relish the opportunity. But I am fairly happy with AH at the moment, we've had a good supply of aircraft and other features, still not quite sure about the perk system though. I would dearly like some early planes like the Hurricane mostly because it's my favourite aircraft (109E nice too) and as mentioned above, not played an early planeset yet! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Regards
Nexx
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Its allright guys. Has been an hard working week here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I whole heartily agree that we need a plane set that better supports traditional/historical scenario events. The MA has simply just become boring as hell. Always the same thing...engage, get the upper hand, have ur enme run fer his ack thats always within safe running distance. Organized missions are generally unopposed if done properly and are also boring as hell. IMO we desperately need more organized events where attendance is mandatory (ie main is closed) and a plane set to support them.
BTW Yeager, ur comments about inputs from ignorant new comers is really outa line where Fidd is concerned. Fidd developed the SAC historical plane skin and terrain utility for AW. He has forgotten more about the Air War during WWII than you'll ever know.
CRASH
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I don't think we are going to see an early war plane set for quite some time. I like, no, love em but... the idiotic perk system is a huge step away from early war. With super planes in the arena as well as the mid war planes there will be even less chance that marginal, much less early, planes will be used. It's a real ded end, turning into secret weaopns of the LW or WWII 1946.
In order to have early war planes we need a buttload of em all at once to fly against each other.... We would then need to protect em from the idiotic perkies and even the mid war or they would sit and rot... They would have to have their own "time period" or RPS or seperate arena or... any number of awkward and proven unpopular ideas but.....
There is a way that all planes could be in the arena at all times... Anyone could choose any plane he wanted from early to late '45 and beyond and fly with parity. It would allso obliviate the (cough) "need" for the idiotic, unfun and unfair perk system. Planes could be integrated seamlessly into the set. Best of all, it's never been tried before so they wouldn't be stealing the idea from anyone. The idea is the "area" arena.
Or maybe HTC feels that they will never be more than a nich company and that the biggest nich is in late and fantasy war planes.
lazs
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lazs, the area arena concept won't work.
Has it been proven? No. But it still won't work.
People have a flock mentality. Wherever the most people are, they flock to. Then that leaves people sitting in other areas on the arena to play with themselves because everyone else is in the area with the most people.
Which in turn leaves a good deal of plane's unused and unusuable because they are not available in the specific area where everyone is at.
If that doesn't happen, then the arena will be sparsely populated. You divide 120 people up into 4 areas (early,mid,late and super late) and you'll only have 30 ppl per area if it divides equally. Then you run into the problem of not the ever present "I can't find anyone this sucks". People begin to leave because they can't find a good fight, AH is flushed down the toilet and we're left with only WB2.xx.
Or we can even try this idea....
Wait until the f*cking planes are implemented then squeak and moan when we KNOW what it's like rather than second guessing every f*cking thing.
-SW
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Yesterday Hightech asked ppl in the main arena if they wanted clouds to be shown in the Map or not. 50% said yes, 50% said no....
Same with this Early war plane issue. 50% want it, 50% don't. 50% like scenarios, 50% don't...
What I hate are ppl who sell their oppinions as if most ppl want what THEY want.
Ppl keep saying that everything WB offers (BoB Scenarios, HA's, RPS) etc is matter of factly crap, well I personally liked those features far better than the MA "no brainer" action...
ah whatever, these endless discussions are starting to get even more boring than the daily MA routine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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eff... i actually agree with u. There are a bunch who want early war and a bunch who don't. I kinda think there are the biggest group that likes mid war with all it's parity and variety followed by late war lovers and probly last... early war guys.
I think AK is wrong about the area arena. It could be adjusted with the largest amount of fields and (cough) "strat", things to do in the mid war area with a much smaller late war area and a smaller yet early war area.
Further, early war fields could be in the canyon area of the map where twisty turny style fights would be a real gas. People could click around to what type of action they wanted.
What I don't understand is ak's thoughts... what does it matter if there are no other players (which is not very possible anyway) where you are? Just that much easier to rack up them points right?
lazs
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CLOUDS ON THE MAP???!!! So now there might be airborne weather radar as well? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I would love to see some early war airplanes. I really enjoyed the Warbirds rolling plane set with the early war Hurri, Spit I, Me109E, Zero and Wildcat F4F. Very fun. I think a BoB scenario would be great and be a big draw. For us "Yanks", probably the Coral Sea and Midway battles would represent the most balanced Pacific Theatre scenarios. Maybe Guadalcanal perhaps. I'd also like to see an Africa Korps scenario with some theatre appropriate markings. You could pull in the Italian plane set that way.
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I've wanted to see early/mid war planes more since the begining...
never really liked those mid to late war planes, but more of those early to mid.
Battle of Britain would be a blast (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
no stratofortresses, just those Ju88's, He111s......
and definately no chogs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Agree with you on the Hurricane, Fidd. Isn't it ironic that we see the Aces High Scenarios banner at the top of our screen flash a picture of a Hurri at us every ten seconds?
But I have to emphasize that I think HTC has given us a fantastic product that will keep getting better.
<S> HTC!
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Originally posted by lazs:
What I don't understand is ak's thoughts... what does it matter if there are no other players (which is not very possible anyway) where you are? Just that much easier to rack up them points right?
lazs
You know lazs, I get the feeling every word someone says just flies right over your head if they don't agree with your idealogy or what you want.
Have you even bothered to look at my stats? I don't think so, you would rather spew from your anus rather than put any effort into doing a little research. So here, I'll help you out.
So lets do a little comparison between me (a supposed score potato or strat squeak) and you (an avid furballing weenie) and lets see what Tour 13's data comes up with. Then you'll get the idea of where I'm coming from..
Tour 13: Me You
Hours online: 17:56:45 19:18:28
Overall sorties: 77 97
Fighter Sorties: 65 97
Attack Sorties: 12 0
Bomber Sorties: 0 0
Vehicle/Boat Sorties:0 0
Total # of kills: 124 123
Kills in Fighters: 110 123
Attack Kills: 14 0
Overall Deaths: 28 49
Assists: 18 49
Kill/Death Fighters: 2.6829 2.2991
Kills/Sortie Fighters:1.6923 1.2680
Kills/Time Online: 0.0020 0.0018
Hit ercentage: 0.1055 0.0419
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Oh well would you look at that. I'm not your typical strat squeak that you like to label anyone that doesn't want your furball island or to divide up the arena. Oh but wait.. I must not fly real fighters either right? Because I'm obviously doing much better than you I must be in a runstang or not be able to hold my own and that's why I don't want a furball island.. right? Or I just like to target individuals in a furball, kill 'em for my perk points and run like all hell.. right?
Nope, sorry lazs you can't label me a strat squeak or a perk point potato or whatever other childish/immature names you want to throw out there to label people that don't like your ideas.
Do some more research before you decide to throw your labels around.. you'd be really f'in surprised that a person like me would avidly hate your idea of a furball island or a divided arena. I mean, I obviously take up a fighter and have my fun according to those stats. So I would want to have a furball island right? Well that's the way your logic works.. you say "WE" when you are referring to people that like furballing as the biggest proponents of a furball island. It doesn't work that way, I go hunting for furballs all of the time and find them. I do my damage and I get out of the area. Using planes like P47s, La5s, 109G2s or 109F4s to sweep the skies and I enjoy it. I don't want the arena to be changed because you are obviously too inept to find yourself a fight.
I'm a furballer, I like dogfighting and there's nothing that would ever make me not like it.
But I do not want one of those stupid indestructable island bases in the main arena, they are just lame.
-SW
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 02-24-2001).]
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Ouch!
That's gotta leave a mark.
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Originally posted by lazs:
With super planes in the arena as well as the mid war planes there will be even less chance that marginal, much less early, planes will be used. lazs
The perk system will cause MORE mid and early war aircraft to be used..not less (this is assuming that HTC gets rid of the factory-strafing loophole as the best way to get fighter perk points , which I suspect they'll do in the new 1.06 terrain.)
You've shown yourself to be remarkably clueless about what HTC has said about the actual implementation of the perk system, or how it will work, lazs.
Now, put on your thinking cap; do YOU understand how the perk system leads to MORE early/mid war aircraft, not less? It's not that hard to figure out.
Or do I have to tell you?
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[This message has been edited by Torgo (edited 02-24-2001).]
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I find the stuff Metallica did AFTER Hetfield's voice changed to be much easier to listen too from a metalhead POV.
That being the case, live, more recent copies of the old stuff is more my line, although I have the orignal albums back to (well not an orginal LP thou) Kill 'Em All.
I really like Papa Roach and Godsmack which seems really weird next to the six Collective Soul CD's. And then there's Primus...
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oops... got my ak's mixed up.. Thought you were the strat guy deja? But thanks for doing all that research on my score...first time I've ever seen it. sure looks like we are equally skilless eh? both have a 2/1 K/D ratio and about the same amount of kills per sortie. You have a much better gunnery and I have a better kill per time... all close enough.... Don't they track bails and ditches too? I generally ditch or auger if no one has hit me or I can't find a fight how bout you? I don't know what you are trying to do when you fly so looking at your score is meaningless to me. I mean, If you simply augered as I do when you are sectors away from home with no cons... If I knew what you were trying to accomplish then I would be able to read something into your score but just looking at the numbers..... It appears that you either care as little about score as I do or that you are doing rather poorly.... Are "bails" counted as deaths in your K/D? I have never bailed.... Is rearming and refueling counted in your kill per sortie? I have never done that. I only stop fighting if I run out of ammo and with all the high deflection shots I take that's still quite a lot even tho I only flew the 1D for that tour.... Oh, what plane (or planes) did you fly for that tour? Thanks for putting out the score tho... I didn't realize that there were people out there who had as little talent as I do...
Sorry to hear you don't want a place to furball tho. You claim that you can allways find one. All I can think is that you are easier to please or have a higher tolerance for boredom.
Torgo.... yeah, you gotta explain. As it is, unless they perk every single plane, the only planes that will get used are the perks and the very best of the non perks.... even the best of the non perks will be outclassed but they will be your best chance. Who would fly a P40 in such and arena if it were introduced? A P40 would be a reverse perk plane.
lazs
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oops... got my ak's mixed up.. Thought you were the strat guy deja?d
I don't think you want to compare fighter stats with me either Lazs. You might have me in k/time, but the rest of the charts would be more skewed to my side. Your argument that anyone not agreeing with you must be a complete "strat guy" (toned down?) is falling apart.
Don't they track bails and ditches too? I generally ditch or auger if no one has hit me or I can't find a fight how bout you?
Yes they do lazs. You had 7 ditches and there were about 18 un-accounted for kills.. meaning you either bailed or augered where nobody was awarded the kill. I guess that explains the higher k/time stat.
Even so.. "generally" might be a bad term Lazs. You have landed considerably more than 25 times.
BTW.. someone that HOs alot will have quite a few unaccounted for deaths if he is usually pretty successful at getting awarded the kill first. Its not really something that holds any relevance.
I don't know what you are trying to do when you fly so looking at your score is meaningless to me. I mean, If you simply augered as I do when you are sectors away from home with no cons.
LOL! Did you take a course to learn to make yourself look this pathetic lazs? Or is it just intuitive for you?
Are "bails" counted as deaths in your K/D? I have never bailed.
No.. you just auger or ditch? Kinda irrelevant don't you think?
Is rearming and refueling counted in your kill per sortie? I have never done that.
He has a higher kill/time on than you lazs. That means he didn't spend as much time screwing around as you despite your "augers and ditches". Quit trying to pick away at his stats to try to make yourself look better. Its pathetic at best.
I only stop fighting if I run out of ammo and with all the high deflection shots I take that's still quite a lot even tho I only flew the 1D for that tour.... Oh, what plane (or planes) did you fly for that tour?
LOL!
Wulfie did most of his work in an La-5 (80 kills). He had 28 in a P47-D25 and 21 in an F4u-1D. How do those stack up against yours?
As for me, I only have 92 kills in an F4u-1D. I do have 68 in a Yak-9 however. I also managed some 280 kills in an F4u-1D last tour. Please.. feel free to bring up your choice of rides yet again, as if it matters.
Thanks for putting out the score tho... I didn't realize that there were people out there who had as little talent as I do...
There aren't. Oh.. wait.. you mean score is the only indicator of that? Or is it that score doesn't matter? I'm getting confused. Really.. if you're concerned over who has more tallent then dogfight him. I'd love to see it.
Sorry to hear you don't want a place to furball tho. You claim that you can allways find one. All I can think is that you are easier to please or have a higher tolerance for boredom.
What part of him having a higher kill/time-on ratio has you so confused lazs? I'm missing it. He finds fights in the current arena. He has no problems with furballing. he sees no need for a furball island. That's pretty much about it. Guess what.. that's pretty much about it for most people not agreeing with the idea of a furball island.
I'm sorry you think its some kind of "strat" vs "furball" mentallity. AKSeaWulfe and myself both enjoy furballing. You seem to be the only one insisting on placing people into categories. Maybe we just believe that a furball island would be one more step in that direction.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 02-25-2001).]
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geeze deja... when have i ever said aksea or anyone else, by name, did whatever because of what their score said ? I have never looked at my score much less anyone elses. I go by what you have stated your ideas are. Your score means even less to me than mine...I have never claimed to be be a good pilot in fact just the oppossite. I also don't see anything in his score that puts him in anything like a "better pilot" category. I tried to find his score for the sake of simply having the numbers accurate but he is not listed. How many bails do either of you have? I have zero it seems hanging in a chute is at the very top of boring things to do in AH for me. How many ditches? At least a ditch is doing something... I fight rather dweebishly and stay till I die most times unless I am close to a field and am out of ammo. I do like to land on the carrier tho especially if I am shot up... It is a challenge to me..
If that is the way he fly's then we can compare some parts of the "score" but I would recon that anyone reading his and mine would conclude from the numbers he posted, that we are equally unskilled or so close that it makes no difference. If he is actually concerned for his life more than i am then he is probly doing a little worse. If you pick your fights or fight with wingies it will change your score... Score is meaningless. We may indeed both be as bad as our scores indicate but without knowing how or why we fight it is just coincedence.
Either way... what does that have to do with how a person wants to spend his online time. If you have found a good balance in the current arena then fine. I am not trying to ruin anything for you. I simply want a place that either I can have early war planes or be free of perk jerks or have a place where fights can be gotten into in a reasonable (for me) amount of time. Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are many like me? do you really believe that I am the only one? You read the furball thread so you should know better.
lazs
When I look at the kill per time stats all I see is that we are both having a hard time finding a fight it's just that you don't notice. I bet there are a lot of people just like me who don't think their kill per time stats are as good as they like or that they are finding as many furs as they like.
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You need to run a search on AKSWulfe lazs. You think that we are equal as far as flying ability goes? You're way off there. I know how to handle myself in planes you wouldn't be able to hold yourself in the air in. I posted in my first thread what planes I use, you skipped that obviously stating that you do your work in a F4U-1D and it's got to be the hardest thing out there. It isn't. Try furballing in a P47D-25 or maybe a La5 or even a 109G2 then you'll find the epitomy of difficult. My k/d, k/time, and kill/sortie is much higher than you. But that only says I know how to keep myself alive. If you want to know how well I fly, well I'm sure I can humor you with a few films. I'm not about to change this into a who's better.. I know who's better. I'm not the one complaining the action needs to be concentrated in one area of the map. You're k/d ratio and k/sortie ratio in your fighter category are closer in relation to my k/d ratio and kill/sortie ratio in my attack sorties.
I know how to hold my own, I also know how to find a fight. I haven't even flown during peak hours this tour.
-SW
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Originally posted by Jigster:
I find the stuff Metallica did AFTER Hetfield's voice changed to be much easier to listen too from a metalhead POV.
That being the case, live, more recent copies of the old stuff is more my line, although I have the orignal albums back to (well not an orginal LP thou) Kill 'Em All.
I really like Papa Roach and Godsmack which seems really weird next to the six Collective Soul CD's. And then there's Primus...
Well, did you hear that Newsted left Metallica? Do you know who they announced as the new bass player? That's really a hard hit on the group and a depressing thing to hear to Metallica fans everywhere. This happened 2(?) weeks ago.
Some other bands, not neccessarily metal but good stuff, that you should check out Jig is Snot(lead singer died in car accident, they only have one CD). You can download stuff by them on Napster, better do it soon too though cuz they are gonna charge soon. Slipknot and Mudvayne are also good. I like Mudvayne a lot more than Slipknot(I actually have gotten to the point of hating them with extreme prejudice because everyone wear's their band logo). While the new Godsmack stuff is good, I definitely prefer the original CD over the newer one. It's a lot less refined and a lot better.
-SW
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Metallica's last good record was Master of Puppets. Can you say SELL OUT?
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well... wufie... I don't know how you get "much better" out of anything in your score. It also appears that you have hit the silk 5 times. wouldn't that skew things a tad? I also have 49 assists and have ditched more than you. None of those things mean dick... Hey, I admit I'm not too good... Your just not any better just....Pompous. Why do you even care anyway? you claim you don't want to get into who is better.... What? you simply want to post and compare some aspects of our score and conclude that you are better.
so what was your point in showing everyone how poorly we both fly? were you trying to prove that because we have the same skill level and have the basically the same kill per time and since you think you are having a lot of action then..... I must be imagining that I'm bored? Or that if the action is good enough for you it ought to be good enough for me and everyone else? How on earth does your (or my)score in any way prove that there is enough action for everyone in the game?
Anyone who reads this and has been around awhile, knows that, by looking at both our pitifull scores, if either of us concentrated on one factor or the other we we would beat the other... there just isn't a nickles worth of difference between us. I also have had a penchant for lags in the past. I have no problem with any of the planes in the game so far... I simply don't like some and can't get kills in others. Actually we have a lot in common.. We both like the blue planes.... neither of us drives vehicles or bombers... we seem to be about equally unskilled as fighter pilots and we both look for fights. Perhaps I am a little more careless than you and care less about death but, essentially the same style and skill....
Then we part ways. I get bored with not having any action or with small furs where you seem to shrug it off and just go looking somewher else. you like to participate in a group goal and that takes away some of the boredom for you where as that doesn't work for me.
anyhow now that you have posted our pitifull scores and.... everyone knows how unskilled we both are I'm sure we will be sought out as easy targets in the arena.
lazs
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I posted our scores to show you we aren't any different in our desire to furball/fight air to air. You bring up that we are both pitiful, maybe you are but I am far from an easy target in the arena. What you think or say doesn't matter much to me except when you try to change the arena. You can continually say "you suck just as much as I do" it won't get under my skin. I know I'm better than you, scores don't prove that. You want a film? I can show you what I can do in the F4U-1D in a film. First you attack me because you THINK I'm a strat potato or a perk jerk.. then when you find that out you try and shift it another way in that you and I are equal. We aren't lazs, far from it. Scores prove nothing except that we both like to find large fights. If you think scores do prove we are equal, then you are pretty dillusional. But if you think that they prove something.. in Tour 12 I was ranked 28th in the fighter category.. you a mere 315th. Tour 13, I'm ranked 16th, you are ranked 120th. You insist that we are equal? I strongly disagree. Not only does it show in the films I have recorded that I know how to fly, but it also shows in a furball I can switch targets constantly. Not by a longshot am I sought out as an easy target.
Just keep it up lazs, you just keep on trying to drag down everyone else with you. You definitely belong on a furball island, or better yet back in WB in that ACA arena. That's your home, go back over there.
-SW
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whew! you are a pompous bugger aint ya? films? LOL, you have films that show how good you are? Look... you brought up the whole score thing and then showed a bunch of stats that had us in essentially a ded heat flying essentially the same planes now... You just "know" who's best and scores don't mean anything? Of course they don't mean anything but I'm not the one who posted em am I??? and, if you just wait a bit I am so erratic and careless that you can easily find some tour (i think... i never really check) that will make you look better yet comparitively. Rank?? What is rank? How is it figured? Does it mean anything in light of what we have just said?
U claim that your point in the whole score thing was to prove that you like to fight as much as I do and that it had nothing to do with who was better. If you like to fight then I contend that you would be unhappy with the kill per time thingie. I also contend that your claims of knowing who is better are best left unexamined since you seem to be so touchy about your lack of skill. I also find it a trifle droll that you left out the bails. Checking my scores to see if it will give you an advantage in a discussion.....LOL...
lazs
Oh... I never did the aca thing in WB. wasn't that with limited planes and wrong ammo loads or something?
lazs
oh, I dont know if I've ever even fought you or deja in the arena. certainly if we have it left no lasting impression one way or the other.
[This message has been edited by lazs (edited 02-25-2001).]
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I tried to find his score for the sake of simply having the numbers accurate but he is not listed.
He is "AKSWulfe" in the MA due to id length limits. I am "AKDjV" in the MA since I re-opened my account in December.
Look the stats up for yourself.
As for what my oppinion is based on what I've said in other threads.. I've never said anything against furballing. I am simply against having "designated areas" for it.
I've read what you've said in your past posts lazs.. it can be summed up with "prepare to be labeled".
AKDejaVu
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lazs either over there in California they have another language or you just don't understand anything.. like I said in my original post in which I quoted stats, everything someone says just flies right over your head.
I originally said in the beginning that I posted the stats to show you that we both dogfight a lot. THe comparison was to show you that I'm not a strat potato or perk jerk that you labelled me as. Then you took it to a new level. "Oh we both suck" blah blah. Usual drivel.
No, we've never fought in the MA. If you think I care about that, I don't. If I killed you in the MA, don't think for one second the fight was actually worth a second of my time.
Another thing, I don't like the bent wing blue carrier borne plane one bit. I just fly it off of carriers when assistance is needed at a specific field and there is a carrier nearby.
As for the bails bit.. you must be thick or you seem to think that 5 bails really makes much of a difference. Oh no! Not 5 bails, out of 65 fighter sorties....
You're good at manipulating what someone types to your advantage or to try and tell them that they suck.
Sorry lazs, scores prove nothing as far as skill. Only flying shows skill, and that's why I offered films. I never checked your scores to give me any advantage, I compared our scores to show you that we both like to dogfight. Ooooo big advantage. No wait.. what does it prove? Ohhhh that we both like to dogfight.
I suggest you use that last braincell you have and make an attempt at comprehending what someone's point is before you shoot off in some tangent far from where the idea you are "replying" to is trying to go.
"Flying essentially the same planes"... ??? Sorry I've got more sorties in the La5 and P47 than I do in the bent winged piece of sh*t, which is ironically damned easy to fly.
When I posted scores it had absolutely nothing to do with who is better... it was to show you I'm not one of those labels you happily throw around.
Each time you reply to what I say, it's apparent that you don't understand a single word. So here I'll make it easy for you:
Aye poustid the statz tu shou u dat wee boff lik tu dawgfit.
You understand now? I thought so.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
it can be summed up with "prepare to be labeled".
And don't forget, he completely misses the point. If he was any further out in left field he would never even see a baseball.
-SW
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my, touchy little fella eh? I replied to your comment that we both like to digfite. showing the stats had nothing to do with that.. I think it's pitiful that neither of us can find a fite. difference is... you appear to feel that you find all the action you want while I feel that the stats show I don't.
You seem incapable of following a point. or, of making one. perhaps your pomposity gets in the way. I am sure that even someone as self centered as yourself can see that you have been the one doing all the bragging and strutting. I would never use my, or anyone elses stats in an arguement and then claim I was "much better" especially if it had nothing to do with the discussion.
If you felt that time per kill was relevant then I suppose you could have just posted that and then I could have shown you how irelevant that was.
If indeed, time per kill was your point then It is pretty lame... poorly thought out so to speak... I would love to get into fights quicker. the high time to kill just proves my point. maybe you are happy with it but you certainly can't say that I am.
I am sure tho that we are not comunicating. I am also quite sure that we would do better in person. I would enjoy it.
lazs