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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Kegger26 on March 27, 2005, 08:34:49 AM
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Are we ever going to see the P-51 made over like the 38 and the 190s? And if so do you think you might maybe add the P-51C to the mix? Or atleast the malcolm hood P-51B? I am tired of seeing all those bars in my P-51B cockpit.
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don't fly it.
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Originally posted by storch
don't fly it.
Wow, thanks for the input. You JG54 guys I see are earning yourself a rep on the BBS that rivles your rep in the CT. WTFG guys.
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dont mind storch, hes allways like that. i suspect its a glands problem.
i would love to have a malcolm hood on the Bstang, but ill put it as the last thing on the priority list.
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Originally posted by Kegger26
Wow, thanks for the input. You JG54 guys I see are earning yourself a rep on the BBS that rivles your rep in the CT. WTFG guys.
your welcome. glad to be of service to the ladies whenever I can.
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Originally posted by Kegger26
Are we ever going to see the P-51 made over like the 38 and the 190s? And if so do you think you might maybe add the P-51C to the mix? Or atleast the malcolm hood P-51B? I am tired of seeing all those bars in my P-51B cockpit.
Again ... there is no difference between the B and C models except which factory they were made at. The C does not have the Malcolm hood as standard.
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Originally posted by storch
your welcome. glad to be of service to the ladies whenever I can.
You know storch, that childish way is going to burn you up one day. Watch and see ;)
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Originally posted by Kegger26
You know storch, that childish way is going to burn you up one day. Watch and see ;)
threatening people on the internet again are you? hmmmmm.
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There is a diffrence in engines.. The early B model we have has the lower rated horse power engine (V-1650-3) I am asking for the latter model B/C which had the V-1650-7. As for the Malcolm Hood they DID in face come from the factory with the hood. They could also be retro fitted in the field. Somthing that is not modled in AH is the guns jamming. The B model had a nasty habbit of jamming due to the fact the M2s were placed at an angle in the wing. The later C model corrected this issue. Most B models were retro fitted with the M2 fix in the field. So yes. There is a diffrence between the B & C models.
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Originally posted by storch
threatening people on the internet again are you? hmmmmm.
Again? I don't recall threatening anyone on here ever. Second, my comment was not a threat. It was a word of advise. I do not know you sir. I know nothing about you. I do however know about your squads rep in the CT, and how it is starting to spill out over here on the BBS.
So again sir. A word of advice you keep pissing on ppl, one day someone is going to piss back. I am not saying it is me. But I can only assume you act in real life like you do on here...so god help you. Now please stop killing my thread with your stupidty.
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Originally posted by Kegger26
Again? I don't recall threatening anyone on here ever. Second, my comment was not a threat. It was a word of advise. I do not know you sir. I know nothing about you. I do however know about your squads rep in the CT, and how it is starting to spill out over here on the BBS.
So again sir. A word of advice you keep pissing on ppl, one day someone is going to piss back. I am not saying it is me. But I can only assume you act in real life like you do on here...so god help you. Now please stop killing my thread with your stupidty.
a couple of years ago you went on a similar rampage and threatened to kick my arse. you invited me to Maryland at that time. I extended an invitation to you to visit me in Miami so we could share a beer. the invitation stands. your thread was stillborn mate. I don't understand how someone could lodge a complaint against the pony, especially the B pony.
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Nobody is lodging a complaint against the Pony. I just want a better view is all. As for that whole thing you point out to me where I said I would kick your ass?
I would also like to know what rampage I am on now? You guys do this..you do this in the CT and now you are trying to pull it on the BBS. You push and push on someone, take everything they say and blow it up till you come out looking like the victim. Then you use that "victim" status to turn around and wage your own private little war on any one or any group that doesnt see things your way.
You guys are trolls. You come on these boards and look for threads in hopes to spark a fight. And when someone starts to knock you down, you ring the firebell and out come your buddy's to the rescue. Years ago when I was pissing vingar in the Army, I would go out to the bars. Sometimes I would pick fights, but I learned never ever hit a mexican. If you did before you knew it twenty of them would show up in an el camino and kick your ass. You guys are alot like that. You guys need to grow up and get over yourself. I would also like to direct you to a website where you can get some books and videos to help you with your reading comprehension. I never have lodged a complaint against the P51B. That is pretty much all I fly in the MA, I love that plane.
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/
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I predict a call for the 4 x 20mm Mustang within the next 5 posts
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Originally posted by bunch
I predict a call for the 4 x 20mm Mustang within the next 5 posts
That would be a safe bet. If they did add that, HT would have to perk the hell out of it.
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Why? It Would have worse performance than he other two Mustangs, plus the weight of 4 20mm Hizookas and ammo, and Dive Flaps (Not sure If the weight of them would affect them in game), Plus the same Vis as the B Cockpit.
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Re: The C-Hog
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was BBBB your prior identity? were you in JG3? were you a policeman in Baltimore? if yes then I think you are the same guy. If not then I'm outta line and I'll find another reason to despise you. I don't want to look through two years of threads to bring that up, but it occurred. anyway you offered up a complaint on the pony and I offered up a practical resolution to your problem. what thanks do I get for my thoughtful suggestion? I get attitude! :D lighten up mate. come into the CT and put me in my place inspire me with your cartoon flying abilities. when you do taunt me little as well. oh hell, taunt me a lot. :D
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Storch vete hazte unas pajas y vuelve despues tranquilo :D
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Why? It Would have worse performance than he other two Mustangs, plus the weight of 4 20mm Hizookas and ammo, and Dive Flaps (Not sure If the weight of them would affect them in game), Plus the same Vis as the B Cockpit.
That didnt stop ppl from flying the hell out of the CHog. It would make one hell of a buff killer. So I could see it being over used.
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Storch the only reason you came here was to post a smart arse comment. Which is no different than how you treat people in the CT so it's not surprising.
The question wasn't for you or anyone else here it was for the HTC. The complaint is no different than the same complaints that pilots in WWII had. Hence why Robert Malcom designed the "Malcom" canopy.
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Originally posted by Glasses
Storch vete hazte unas pajas y vuelve despues tranquilo :D
:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
you invited me to Maryland at that time.
Having to go to Maryland is worse than getting your bellybutton kicked.
-Sik
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The Malcom hood is what differentiate the ugly American P51 with the pretty English Mustang :p
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Straffo pretty "English" mustang? Where was the English Mustang factories?
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That comes along with the English Muffins :D
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Straffo pretty "English" mustang? Where was the English Mustang factories?
Take it easy it's a joke :)
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Straffo pretty "English" mustang? Where was the English Mustang factories?
in mustangton of course.
Commonwealth aviation built 200+ P51s in Austrailia as the CA-18 IIRC. they were also considered to be better built than their North American built counterparts. The aussies also produced a competitor to the P-51. The CA-15 (A62) Kangaroo was powered by a Griffon 61. having been designed in 1943 and first flew in 1946. This aircraft outclassed the P-51 but was never put into production.
http://www.dropbears.com/av/KFXart/articles/ca-15.htm
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The p51 is already remodelled in AH1 so expect the waiting time like we had on the second and third P38.
Goodluck!!
:aok
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Originally posted by bunch
I predict a call for the 4 x 20mm Mustang within the next 5 posts
Well, it's been well over 5 posts now, so I feel safe to post this.
Wasn't the "Mustang" with the 4 20mm hispanos actually called the A-36 Apache?
Maybe one of the "Mustang" experten here could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were mainly used for ground operations in the MTO and North Africa. I think it had the origianl Allison engine, and that's why is wasn't used much in the air-air and escort role.
Now if they wanted to put 4 20mm's on a P-51D pony.......
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Originally posted by SKJohn
Well, it's been well over 5 posts now, so I feel safe to post this.
Wasn't the "Mustang" with the 4 20mm hispanos actually called the A-36 Apache?
Maybe one of the "Mustang" experten here could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were mainly used for ground operations in the MTO and North Africa. I think it had the origianl Allison engine, and that's why is wasn't used much in the air-air and escort role.
Now if they wanted to put 4 20mm's on a P-51D pony.......
sure was and they saw service in the Med into late 1944 as mud movers with a good aquittal.
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Originally posted by SKJohn
Well, it's been well over 5 posts now, so I feel safe to post this.
Wasn't the "Mustang" with the 4 20mm hispanos actually called the A-36 Apache?
Maybe one of the "Mustang" experten here could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they were mainly used for ground operations in the MTO and North Africa. I think it had the origianl Allison engine, and that's why is wasn't used much in the air-air and escort role.
Now if they wanted to put 4 20mm's on a P-51D pony.......
You are correct John.
The Allison was way underpowered at High Altitudes, But considereing the Altitudes of most fights here, that would probably be an advantage.
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Originally posted by Kegger26
As for the Malcolm Hood they DID in face come from the factory with the hood. They could also be retro fitted in the field. So yes. There is a diffrence between the B & C models.
Kegger, not to be an arse, but you are incorrect in your statement regarding the "Malcolm Hood".
After the Mustang III aircraft had been delivered to England, the RAF decided that the hinged cockpit canopy offered too poor a view for European operations. A fairly major modification was made in which the original framed hinged hood was replaced by a bulged Perspex frameless canopy that slid to the rear on rails. This canopy gave the pilot much more room and the huge goldfish bowl afforded a good view almost straight down or directlyy to the rear. This hood was manufactured and fitted by the British corporation R. Malcolm & Co., and came to be known as the "Malcolm Hood". This hood was fitted to most RAF Mustang IIIs, and many USAAF Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-51B/C fighters received this modification as well.
In search of a more lasting solution to the problem of poor cockpit visibility from the P-51B/C, a P-51B (43-12101) was modified with a teardrop-shaped all-round cockpit canopy and redesignated XP-51D. Having proved that the concept was valid, two P-51B-10-NAs (42-106539/106540 were completed on the production line with teardrop-shaped bubble canopies and were redesignated P-51Ds. These became the prototypes for the famed P-51D series of Mustangs.
http://www.nnb-bh.bravepages.com/p51bc.htm
As for the B/C's being different... there is NO difference what so ever, other than where they were manufactured (Dallas or Inglewood). All the series received mods as they became available on the assembly lines. If you want to split hair, the differences are in various variants made avaialble, their designation is not the same between the B / C series.
As for the addition of the Packard V1650-7, that was universally adopted on BOTH assembly lines.
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Originally posted by SKJohn
Wasn't the "Mustang" with the 4 20mm hispanos actually called the A-36 Apache?
The cannon armed Mustang was in RAF service as Mustang Mk.Ia. As Far as I've read the same planes (NA-91) in USAAF service had four 0.50cal browning for guns. AFAIK, there were not any P-51d (NA-106...NA-138) in combat with the gun package you desire
(http://www.clubhyper.com/images/eoi_p51_fd552_n.jpg)
(http://www.clubhyper.com/images/eoi_268pilots644.jpg)
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Okay guys, I'll go over this again as there seems to be some minor confusion.
Those Mustangs with four 20mm cannon were ordered for the RAF and designated by the RAF as Mustang Mk.Ia.
When the US entered the war, those aircraft not yet delivered were taken by the USAAF and designated as the P-51 (no letter identifier).
One of these served as the prototype for the Merlin powered XP-51B. Naturally, the USAF didn't think the cannon package was needed and specified four .50 cal Brownings instead (notice that the USAF kept the Brownings as the standard weapon until 1953, while the Navy demanded cannons only as early as 1946).
In addition, there was no difference between the P-51B and P-51C other than the C model being built in the new Dallas plant. Both Bs and Cs were retrofitted with the Malcolm Hood, which also required a change to the antenna, removing the fixed post behind the cockpit and installing a whip antenna far enough aft to clear the hood when fully open.
My regards,
Widewing
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wasn't there a difference in the propellers? I thought that the inglewood ponies (B) used the Ham Standards while the Dallas ponies (C) used the hollow bladed aeroproducts props. Pilots preferred the B due to the better Ham standard prop. the hollow bladed aeroproducts props tended to create a harmonic resonance that the pilots found un-nerving. I recall reading that somewhere.
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Okay guys, I'll go over this again as there seems to be some minor confusion.
Those Mustangs with four 20mm cannon were ordered for the RAF and designated by the RAF as Mustang Mk.Ia.
When the US entered the war, those aircraft not yet delivered were taken by the USAAF and designated as the P-51 (no letter identifier).
One of these served as the prototype for the Merlin powered XP-51B. Naturally, the USAF didn't think the cannon package was needed and specified four .50 cal Brownings instead (notice that the USAF kept the Brownings as the standard weapon until 1953, while the Navy demanded cannons only as early as 1946).
In addition, there was no difference between the P-51B and P-51C other than the C model being built in the new Dallas plant. Both Bs and Cs were retrofitted with the Malcolm Hood, which also required a change to the antenna, removing the fixed post behind the cockpit and installing a whip antenna far enough aft to clear the hood when fully open.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by storch
wasn't there a difference in the propellers? I thought that the inglewood ponies (B) used the Ham Standards while the Dallas ponies (C) used the hollow bladed aeroproducts props. Pilots preferred the B due to the better Ham standard prop. the hollow bladed aeroproducts props tended to create a harmonic resonance that the pilots found un-nerving. I recall reading that somewhere.
The Aeroproducts propeller was used on Dallas Built P51K Mustangs which were Ds with the Aeroproducts propeller.
The B/C both used the cuffed Hamilton Standard prop.
Dan/CorkyJr
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FWIW,
I asked for the malcom hooded 'stang about 2 years ago. It didn't happen obviously. The 20mm 'stang was a dead issue. There was a masive amount of whining from the luftwieneis and it also never "got off the ground".
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Luftwhines against the Malcolm Hood? Never heard of that.
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Im pretty sure the P51s will get a remake 3 batches from now.
I think the remake scheduel is US-German-US-German rotation with fighters comming first and then bombers.
So I would guess the next 2 up comming are..
1. P47s
2. 109s
3. P51s
Tex
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I Concur
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schultz, I didn't say the luftweenies whined about the hood. They did so about the four 20mm's. Those were 2 seperate requests and not both by me.
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Ok, I can’t remember that either, but it is more likely. You can have your four-cannon Mustang if I get my Dora-11 or Dora-13 ;)
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Pyro is favorably inclined towards Malcolm hoods, I believe. I recall him saying he also liked the look of the Malcolm hood P51B, and would consider it. I will search for the thread, and insert a reference to it here...
He said it in this thread: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119934&highlight=Malcolm+hood
We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release. If not, we'll get to it sometime after that. At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Pyro is favorably inclined towards Malcolm hoods, I believe. I recall him saying he also liked the look of the Malcolm hood P51B, and would consider it. I will search for the thread, and insert a reference to it here...
He said it in this thread: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119934&highlight=Malcolm+hood
We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release. If not, we'll get to it sometime after that. At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Not that "The Deacon" would have ANY interest in a Malcom hooded P51B :)
Dan/CorkyJr
Yeah it's lousy, but it's one of the first profiles I ever did.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1112066377_thedeacon.jpg)
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Yep, that's the one. :-)
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Originally posted by Pyro
We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release. If not, we'll get to it sometime after that. At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.
He did say it. Maybe when the P-51s get there make over we will see the A36 and maybe a P-51C/B malcolm. That would be sweet.
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A36? Mustang Mk. Ia you mean.
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Originally posted by GScholz
A36? Mustang Mk. Ia you mean.
No I mean A36.
http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/bomber/a36/a36_en.htm
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Why would you want that POS over the Mustang Mk.Ia?