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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DaddyAck on March 28, 2005, 09:27:56 AM
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I am drafting this petition for the purpose of getting HTC to add back in the night time hours and weather patterns into the main arena.
It does get tedious seeing nothing but perpetual blue skies, and an anomalous one minute it is sunset then a second later, oh look its now sunrise?!?!
It is in my opinion that the game would be better with weather, wind, and a cycleing of day and night would be more fun to play in. Night time bomber missions would be especially fun :)
If you feel the same please respond to this and help get our realizm back. :aok
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i would like it back
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Got my vote.
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Was up the day before Xmas when HT came in, fired up the bottle rocket sleigh, and killed the lights. That brief half hour or so of night was a highlight of AH2. I upped a 110 (the black skin) and shot some lancs down. Very enjoyable. No marauding packs of 51s and Typhs at 38K alt. Just me and those bombers. (and HT in that abomination he called a sleigh. Oh, and a bunch of guys who started squealing like stuck pigs the moment it got dark [I mean, literally, the very moment it got dark]). Fun stuff.
Bring back night, and add some weather or at least overcast conditions. Flying into the sun taking off and flying back into it when landing does suck. Please. Maybe the cure for what ails gameplay is night. It'd certainly suck the momentum out of the horde (I think).
My $.02
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What if day/night proceeded across the map? Is that possible? This way it may well be night on the west side for example but morning on the east. Kinda like compressing the 24 hours of the globe down a bit. See what I'm saying? maybe 8 hours difference between one side of the map and the other...
That and weather fronts moving across the map would add a lot to the game.
You could avoid weather by upping from other locations so that would cut down on the whines.
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heh kinda like that idear.
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Glad to see I am not the only one whoom thinks that the posibilities of using Lanc's at night (historically correct) and having them intercepted by night fighting 110's (also historically correct) would be great fun. Also I beleave that adding back in night and weather would stem the tide of LALA weenies :aok
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Yeah, HT should do whatever he can to reduce the amount of combat in the MA.
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Originally posted by Furious
Yeah, HT should do whatever he can to reduce the amount of combat in the MA.
What makes you think it will reduce combat?
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It didn't limit combat, it changed it. People would plan missions to take advantage of the night, especially gv missions.
I would like to see solid clouds, instead of these multiple layers of 2D clouds. Our current clouds look cool from a distance, I would just like them to be like AH1 where you could be surrounded by them. And when you're in the cloud, your icon would disapper and you could only be seen at very close range.
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Oh those AH1 clouds were the best. I fly threw them straight on the next i know lol im flying towards earth. 1 eye off the instruments and your dead. I LOVE THOSE CLOUDS. Bring them back.
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hehehe
Imagine flying through the clouds.....whiles its dark.....and straight into a mountain.
I can just hear the squeals now.
not trying to dis the wonderful AH1 cloud density or the night time. I like them both.
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I think all of that would add infinate amusement to the game, It would be nice to see some more stratagy and actual combat instead of steady streams of lalas and nikies that swarm the map bragging about how they can vulch an easy kill in perfect sunny unclouded weather :D Oh yes the squeals indeed :rofl
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would like to have the night back, good for the Lancs. Some adverse weather would be cool too. Rain would probably be a pain to program but some winds and fog would be a welcome sight.
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Yes on all three - Night, Weather, and Wind.
MiG
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Old night was useless. It did nothing but strain the eyes. Whats the point of night when icons are still visible like its daytime. It ruins the purpose of night flying. If all icons were to dissapear during night or range reduced like in CT then it would be much fun.
Weather, storms? yea sure thing, but do something about the icons.
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Didnt rain exist in AH1 at one time and actualy splatter on the windscreens?
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Originally posted by Furious
Yeah, HT should do whatever he can to reduce the amount of combat in the MA.
Preach on brother Furious!
It always lessened combat, people would constantly go AFK or just log off when they come on during the "night hour". Either that or just crank their gamma up till the radiation turned their hair style into a permanent orange afro in order to see and play. There were WAY to many whines about it, and I don't see it coming back, which is fine by me. But I'm for the wind/clouds =)
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I like night time, I use is off line and with the way it is now in ah2 I can see just fine. Try it off line. Set the arena time to 5:30. You do not need to adjust anything, All is visable, and quite playable. I believe that it is quite well rendered :aok
Good job HTC:aok
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If you can see just fine, what's night time gonna add to the MA which it currently does not have?
Night time and bad weather - in both instances normal fighter operations ceased in 90% of cases. Because, it sucks to fly in them. It turns out that a lot of the MA folk think that way too.
Oh some think differently, I know.
But I can make a wager that 30~40% of MA numbers will log off whenever night comes. They'll log off and probably go to sleep - just as real pilots would have.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Preach on brother Furious!
It always lessened combat, people would constantly go AFK or just log off when they come on during the "night hour". Either that or just crank their gamma up till the radiation turned their hair style into a permanent orange afro in order to see and play. There were WAY to many whines about it, and I don't see it coming back, which is fine by me. But I'm for the wind/clouds =)
Hence my suggestion of a rolling timeframe. It may be night on one side but it will be midmorning on the other.
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Maybe that's a little hard to do with such a little piece of land, rabid.
How are you gonna model a rolling time frame on a planet the size of where the Little Prince used to live? You take off from one base, fly about an hour to one direction, and it suddenly becomes night?
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I suggested about an 8 hour difference from one side to the other. On the big maps that should be at best minorly noticeable. However, it would be enough to let night roll across the map while letting there be enough light on either side to have at least sunrise or sunset.
Considering this thread has no feedback from HTC either way I would guess that it does not matter anyways. But, do you see my point?
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No use adding night time to the MA until;
1. Increasing gamma will not allow you special 'night vision'.
2. Con ranges are decreased to accurate levels.
3. Radar equipped aircraft are available.
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I think even with the above changed, nights would only be a passing fancy for 90% of the MA.
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no as far as bringing back night
some localized weather would be great, if it could be done without a big hit to frame rate
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I tend to not like this suggestion.
Here's an alternative: Add an optional setting allowing players to individually add these features. They could therefore happily fly around the arena half-blind, and the rest of us could get on with the game... :-)
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Yes on all accounts for me.
It's gotten to the point where I don't give a flying **** if some cheater gets off by upping his gamma.
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all for weather and night, how about some locusts and maybe a plague of bunny rabbits. And dont forget the Four Horseman of the apocolypse, now that would be cool. Oh and how could I forget.... an f5 Tornado would be awesome. nothing like watching an incoming raid getting sucked into the vortex.
lest not forget the gv'ers got to give them something like an earthquake.
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Originally posted by doobs
a plague of bunny rabbits/B]
We already have that: they are called Bishops.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Set the arena time to 5:30. You do not need to adjust anything, All is visable, and quite playable.
It isnt night, it is early morning and we already have it every time at sunrise (almost same at least). Try 00:00 instead.
I hate dark time, its nothing but pain for eyes for me. Even during current sunrise/sunset it force me to up gamma or just log off.
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Hmm... I was wrong, the darkest time is 5.00 here :eek:
Can not even see seat-back of my own plane with gamma 1.0 :aok
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I would like to have night,but I don't think it will happen for the reasons stated above.
But we could and should have weather at least wind.New maps to match the new skins would be nice too,snow and Desert maybe?
Oh,and it's great to see clouds back,thanks HTC.:aok
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Ahh, why do I bother? I can see fine in the ofline mode at night. Try it, it is easy to see with out any adjustments to gamma. The full moon and back lit guages are quite easyily read. But like I said why do I bother? The swarms of perpetual daylight lovin' base swarmin, never above 1,500 ft "players" will prevail. Ho-hum, I guess I'll tap out on this one. :(
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night would be fine, when HT fixes it where people cant game it with gama changes to make it day. till then its a waste of time.
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But, for those like I that play legitamately it would be great fun. I would love a chance to do a night bombing run, or perhaps a night fighter. :D
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Yes to all three.
The game has developed greatly through subsequent versions in many ways all good. But it has lost out in the reality stakes vis a vis weather and night.
For those that moan about the old clouds and night there is a solution. Go play an arcade style shoot em up. Me I prefer a touch of realism.
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i say bring back the night ,,but thats not what the masses of seals want ,,heaven forbid that there be nightime operations,lord knows that iN RL planes never fly at night
BRING BACK THE NIGHT!!!!!!
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Originally posted by 1redrum
i say bring back the night ,,but thats not what the masses of seals want ,,heaven forbid that there be nightime operations,lord knows that iN RL planes never fly at night
BRING BACK THE NIGHT!!!!!!
Ah, yes. The In Real Life arguement. I love that one.
'Cause everbody knows that In Real Life P-51's fought Spitfires at 1 o'clock in the morning.
right?
No. Other than the wilde sau, the planes that fought at night were very much specialized and specifically equiped to do so. If those planes and the conditions they operated under were modeled in AH, then I myself would support a seperate night time arena.
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In real life we know that La7's would easily shoot down Spitfires while winging with a F6F.
In real life we know that the 3 Gun La7's had more aircraft made and flown then another plane.
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Amen, well put.
We needs the realism, as this game is hailed as
a WWII simulation MMOG not an arcade shooter by NAMCO
or something, This is to be a realistic combat experience to be savored by those whoom are allured by the thrill of
REALISTIC aviation combat (includeing weatherpaterns and
night .:aok
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DaddyAck : Since you always in favor realism you must also desire.
1. 10 Min warm ups before each flight.
2. 6 hour flights with out ever seeing an enemy plane.
3. 30 hour drives in tanks only to be suprised attacked and never get to play again.
4. Not being able to play the game for 2 weeks straight because all flights are grounded do to weather.
5. If killed on sortie, you never get to play again.
My point is making statments Like I'm always for realism is realy saying Im always for MY version of what I think is realisitic and would be fun for me.
HiTech
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I'm for realism if it adds value to the experience.
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What we need is wind rain and wind shear...and no more easymode ditching....
Cant wait till some noob augers trying to land his 12 kill 262 mission in zero vis and driving rain in a 40 knot crosswind:aok
Actually however.....some fog would be neat...lets say a 200 ft ceiling or even ground level...
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I don't think night has any place in the MA. In TOD sure, CT why not. MA fk no!
Most people that want night, want it so they can sneak around and avoid fighting. It is hard enough with weak carriers and ease of killing hangers to find long lasting battles. Bring back night and it gets even worse.
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Originally posted by hitech
DaddyAck : Since you always in favor realism you must also desire.
1. 10 Min warm ups before each flight.
2. 6 hour flights with out ever seeing an enemy plane.
3. 30 hour drives in tanks only to be suprised attacked and never get to play again.
4. Not being able to play the game for 2 weeks straight because all flights are grounded do to weather.
5. If killed on sortie, you never get to play again.
My point is making statments Like I'm always for realism is realy saying Im always for MY version of what I think is realisitic and would be fun for me.
HiTech
Sir,
I meant no dis respect to your product. I merely sugjest that night and weather are added into the mix. Me personally I would not mind the warmup time, though the masses would hate it. I do however as a member of the comunity wish to make my voice heard and those whoom like myself wish to experience this game at night and with weather paterns, It would be neat to fly and actually see different weather than sunny all the time. It would be nice to actually have anight bombing raid. I do not see how the re adition of night would bother EVERYBODY since the game clock is not in sync with real time thereby making night last what maby an hour? I just do not see any harm in it.
Respectfully yours,
DaddyAck
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DaddyAck: Your last post Is a very valid view point.I happen do disagree with it, but that is a mater of choice.
It is just that when people use the we should have it because it is realistic argument, it tends to get under my skin. Because they are using a completly invalid debating method.
I'm for realism if it adds value to the experience.
My viewpoint has always been like rabbidrabits. So the real discusion is not debating if everyone wants realism. Because everone does. The debate is simply does it add value.
HiTech
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Sir,
Once more I mean no ill betwix you and I ;However, I must poin out that I have been misconstrued as "debateing". I do not wish to debate the issue, esentially it is a mute point. You controll the game we are merely the players whoom by choice play your masturfully rendered flight sim. Therefore, if you want night you will add it, to the contrary if you do not the AH2 world will remain one of eternal sunshine. I was merely creating a petition to see if you would entertain my request, and to see how many would like myself, want to see the return of atleast on hour of night time.
Respectfully Yours,
DaddyAck
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we know that the constant crying is why the night is gone ,i enjoyed night ops gave the game a different twist real or not who gives a ****! it just breaks up the monotany of clear sunny skys ALL the time could change the tempo of the game ,itruly miss it i know my opinion means nothing ,,,,but i do not hold this against HT as he is running a bussness,,it must make profit,i personaly would not want to have to find the balance between playability and "real" because whatever u do someone {or someohundreds}will not be happy,
bottom line ,i liked night and would like to see it come back,
ht i think u doing good at the balance of playable VS realistic
besides we are all doltz anyway u'll still get our 15bucksMy viewpoint has always been like rabbidrabits. So the real discusion is not debating if everyone wants realism. Because everone does. The debate is simply does it add value.
that depends on who u ask ,ask me ,ya it dose
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DaddyAck: I normaly use the term discus and debate equaly.
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Sir,
I unterstand the two terms could be equally misconstrued ;however, I as I have said earlier.I like the night time and I am simply asking you to consider it's re-instatemen, if but only for one hour (game time not real time). That would be a nice concession, and strike a reasonable compramise for those that like perpetual day. Please atleat consider it.
Humbly yours,
DaddyAck
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This subject crops up too often for it not to be a legimitimate request surely?
hitech is there a tech reason why we don't have night or those real weather fronts we used to have in AH1?
Be honest with us are there any plans to put night and weather back in the game?
Its good as it stands, but it would be great with these things as they add a tactical element and immersion into the environment.
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Daddy,
That was why I suggested a rolling timeframe where the east side of the map is 8 or so hours ahead of the west. This way we could have the changing environment while those who hate that could simply fight where there is good weather. Not sure on implementation concerns though.
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The maps aren't big enough. The sun doesn't rise and set on other sides of Pennsylvania.
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we are not talking that big of a time shift, just enough to let it be night and light on the same map. I would think any of the large maps would be able to handle that pretty well.
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HT.
For me personally weather effects and night would add value. Just as search lights from towns, fields, ects would in night.
What is that value?
The elements of nature add to the tactical component of gameplay, for me. I say for me because I love to use terrain and everything available to me in games where tactics play a part. I know alot of people dont.
Also note that rain, snow and what ever unpleasent flying condition weather might add it would obviously not add it to the entire map but rather as fronts that pass over the map.
In this case it could shut down a field for flight ops as it passes (short period of time), yes. But it would also expose it to GV ops, so battle would not end at this base due to weather just change forms. Reading the weather fronts would allow for use of tactics.
That is how I see weather working and what value it would add to my game play.
Note Im only talking about my gameplay as I dont know many people enough to be able to speak for any larger group then my self.
Tex
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Sir,
I unterstand the two terms could be equally misconstrued ;however, I as I have said earlier.I like the night time and I am simply asking you to consider it's re-instatemen, if but only for one hour (game time not real time). That would be a nice concession, and strike a reasonable compramise for those that like perpetual day. Please atleat consider it.
Humbly yours,
DaddyAck
I think what HiTech is saying is he doesn't see the benefit... so no. =) I really can't say that I blame him, when we had nighttime, there was at least one thread a week bashing it, just like the pizza map, and I don't see that terror around anymore either. I'm not trying to argue with you here, just saying there are masses that aren't for it.
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HiTech,
I apologise If I have been misconstrued as a malcontent. I believe your product to be a highly enjoyable fusion of reality and playability. So I give vredit where it is due, Kudos to you ant your staff.
However, I do ask that you take our (the people whoom want weather and night) requests as seriously as those that got night removed. I am sure that there is a logical solution to the current quandry through compramise.
I as well as others have had the idea of a shortened night time, we would be happy with even one hour by the game clock. In this way those that like night have their oppertunity and those whoom do not would actually have the bulk of the main arena game clock.
Weather paterns, would be all be it harder to program ;however, as Tex has stated above there is a was to do it in which not all bases on the map are affected by the same weather at the same time. That aproach leaves the bulk of bases un touched by the precipitation. To a furtur extent of clearification, we the seekers of weater are not so much wanting massive storms the violently rock the whole arena. What we seek is more along the lines of rains and ocasional snow or thunder showers perhaps ocasionally fog. I would not say that the tornados and hurricanes and blizzards are nesacary, due to balanceing the fun for tose that like the weather and those whoon do not. Weather that esentially grounds all flights is not what we are after.
I apreciate your time and consideration in these matters. Once again Kudos on your current product. Please do not mistake my request for a complaint, I am meerely requesting that you at least hear me out and consider it. Thatnk you agin for you time.
Respectfully yours,
DaddAck
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
I think all of that would add infinate amusement to the game, It would be nice to see some more stratagy and actual combat instead of steady streams of lalas and nikies that swarm the map bragging about how they can vulch an easy kill in perfect sunny unclouded weather :D Oh yes the squeals indeed :rofl
i think ure right, i would LOVE to see AH more realistic, but also to see a change in the territory control and capture. it would be more fun i think to fly missions and stuff from less generic fields, and also to change the way m3's can just pop along and capture a base. i guess what im tryin to say is, that maybe we shouldnt be able to capture individual bases, but change it so that territory is gained with land, and bases in ure land are yours no matter what. i dunno, i just dont like the whole, lets go capture a43 and stuff....
i hope someone sees where im coming from:)
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WE WANT NIGHT BACK!!!!!
GO DADDY GO:D :aok
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Originally posted by Pooface
i think ure right, i would LOVE to see AH more realistic, but also to see a change in the territory control and capture. it would be more fun i think to fly missions and stuff from less generic fields, and also to change the way m3's can just pop along and capture a base. i guess what im tryin to say is, that maybe we shouldnt be able to capture individual bases, but change it so that territory is gained with land, and bases in ure land are yours no matter what. i dunno, i just dont like the whole, lets go capture a43 and stuff....
i hope someone sees where im coming from:)
So, if bases are yours no matter what, then how do we actually capture this "territory"? You capture enough bases, you move the front lines ahead, that would represent the territory you speak of wouldn't it?
I'm not getting the thing about the m3 though. They carry 10 troops like the c47. The town has to be completely down in order for the m3 to get in. If you notice the M3 and the C47 have the least amount of firepower of any model in their respective classes. So I guess I'm not understanding what is unfair about this? Please elaborate.
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There have been a few good points made regarding night, primarily the specialized aircraft and tactics, that I simply hadn't thought much of in the past. Having considered those, and the difficulty/ensuing whines involved in a severely limited planeset/shift in tactics for a short period of time, I'm going to hop over the fence and withdraw my support of night. I remain, however, adamant about realism-as-I-see-it, and demand something that suits my tastes, if not the reality. :p
Seriously, I would like some variety in weather, sporadic intense fog, overcast fronts, and some big puffy clouds, or something along those lines. Flying into the sun most of the time does wear thin.
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Please fellow pilots do not take me as an overzelous newb, I love the main and combat arenas the way they are, I just do not see the harm in having even a small portion of hight time and some weather patterns. Perhaps Tour of Duty will incorporate these things? Oh well.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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I personally hate night.
When the day comes that I cannot take off due to fog, that will be the last day I fly AH. I don't think I am alone either. A similar statement goes for rain, hurricanes, blizzards, electrical storms and yes, night. In the past, night has never stopped anyone from taking off though.
I hate night.
Just so that is clear. Also, I think the clouds added are very cool!
Regards,
Malta
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forget the night...more clouds at varying alts
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Night ---> Spotlights ---> Landing Lights ---> Runway Lights
COOL
Weather ---> Reduced Visability ---> Wind ---> More Thought Put Into Flights
COOL
Thick Clouds ---> Bombers Hiding In Them Appearing From No Where
COOL
Come on HT Aces High is a sim not death match
Make Two Arenas one for Sim and One For Blasting Each other
I Bet there would be more paying players in the Sim Arena
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I like the idea of search lights, and cloud cover at night. That would add tactical value only if at night the plane icon range was a. decreased (needing to get closer to see them) or b. made smaller or c. both. Because as of now you still get that nice loud red lettering above the enemy.
I do like also the Weather, and I do not think that horendous storms would actually ground any one nor would extensive fog because that would probablt lose money, I think the weather would be more of a scattered showers or behaps snow showers, ans as far as fog goes. I think that fog would be used only in early morning after a rain, and even then it would not be thin and would burn off quickly in the hot AH2 sun :cool:
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I just do not see the harm in having even a small portion of hight time and some weather patterns.
There already is a small portion of night time and it sux for guys like myself that just want to fight.
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Unless they put it back in the MA there in no night, It goes from sunset then imediately sunrise.
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So its not dark enough for you to hide :rofl
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How long has it been since night has been implemented? If it's been awhile then why not play test it again and see where people stand. As flyers come and go maybe there's a new attitude about it. Let's say 30 min. of night. That's long enough for Lanc's to do their night bombing runs. hehehe. Also if night interceptors were incorporated, I'd be interested in how they did their job with their varying armament.
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Yes the whole night interceptor (110 with the new black skin) versus RAF night bombing missions would be cerry cool. :aok
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Yes the whole night interceptor (110 with the new black skin) versus RAF night bombing missions would be cerry cool.
So the whole community has to suffer so that you can fly 110s against Lancs in the dark lol.
What if I have no interest in flying either of those, should I just log off till the sun comes back up. At least during day time you could still fly your 110 and Lanc.
Like I said, Night is great for CT and/or TOD but negatively impact too many for the MA.
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Originally posted by mussie
Night ---> Spotlights ---> Landing Lights ---> Runway Lights
COOL
Weather ---> Reduced Visability ---> Wind ---> More Thought Put Into Flights
COOL
Thick Clouds ---> Bombers Hiding In Them Appearing From No Where
COOL
Make Two Arenas one for Sim and One For Blasting Each other
I LIKE THIS IDEA OF 2 MAIN ARENAS
i like the idea of runway and landing lights even more......
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Originally posted by mars01
So the whole community has to suffer so that you can fly 110s against Lancs in the dark lol.
What if I have no interest in flying either of those, should I just log off till the sun comes back up. At least during day time you could still fly your 110 and Lanc.
Like I said, Night is great for CT and/or TOD but negatively impact too many for the MA.
Nah, just skin a p38 all black, and call it a "night fighter". That will be really fun. Or better yet I could up a GV in the dark and see how many trees I run into that I can't see, then post on the BBS about what BS that is. Or, just log off for the hour of night and play "try to kick myself in the prettythang" waiting for the sun to come up.
Hard enough to see things at dusk, forget about nighttime. As for realism, how many WWII fighter pilots just begged to fly nighttime missions? I bet not many =)
I'm with Mars and the other guys... keep air quake alive!!! BTW, I have a request for "quad damage" =)
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Put head lights on the GV and that way you could see.
Again if you hear an plane cut your lights.
If your a good fighter pilot then why not take up the challenge of dropping a buff at night, Imagine the tracer fire from bombers and fighters again very cool
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we need weather,nights and every other thing that should not be taken away.there
is an option to change the color of the con
name which is usually red to whatever color. so why not have what we all pay for. don't fix what's not broken, HTC.
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If your a good fighter pilot then why not take up the challenge of dropping a buff at night, Imagine the tracer fire from bombers and fighters again very cool
It's not about the challenge of killing something at night, which would last all of about 10 mins. I also think it would be easier as a fighter because the bomber gunners would have a very hard time see anything but muzzle flashes. Not much of a challenge.
It's also more about having only a couple hours to log on and fight. So instead 1 of those two hours I am stuck in night.
Now lets look at night if it is done coprrectly. I.e no icons. If you have icons there is no reason for night. What is the point if I can still see you comming from 6k or even 1k away due to your icon. This is one reason I always thought night was a waste. I'd be flying along in the dark, hoping I am flying toward some enemy dots, then whammo there is the Icon. Kinda goes against the whole cover of darkness thing.
Next is the gamma setting. If turning up your gamma is still possible thus rendering night to day, then night is useless.
Now if it's done right there should be a limmited plane set. Only those meant to fly at night.
So now combine these things with the few cool bells and whistles Spotlights ---> Landing Lights ---> Runway Lights that will be cool for the whole first ten mins, and you have one of the two hours where I and many others log off just so guys can hide from each other.
BTW landing lights wouldn't be all that much either. I don't think fields were lit up like Christmas trees as they are today.
Night and weather are fine for the CT or TOD not for MA.
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Originally posted by rival7
we need weather,nights and every other thing that should not be taken away.there
is an option to change the color of the con
name which is usually red to whatever color. so why not have what we all pay for. don't fix what's not broken, HTC.
I want quad damage, invisibility icons, armor plating, super armor plating, heat seaking rockets, and the option of a big fat ole' boomstick hanging out my window that will evaporate whatever it touches (don't forget to add an atomic bomb to this list).
I feel since this game is essencially a FPS (first person shooter) that I am really paying for these things that exist in other FPS games, yet I am not seeing them =)
Not meant to be a dig on you in any means, just two sides to this coin.
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Originally posted by mussie
Put head lights on the GV and that way you could see.
Again if you hear an plane cut your lights.
If your a good fighter pilot then why not take up the challenge of dropping a buff at night, Imagine the tracer fire from bombers and fighters again very cool
Exactly, give the GVs some headlamps and voila. (Oh about the tracers, it would be cool but to be historically acurate I would disable my tracers)
PS. I respect the oposing views of the anti-night faction, and to that extent I ask you now. Is there no compramise that can be found? The daytime hours dominate the MA giving you that which you hold dear ;however, for tose like myself whoom feel that there is fun to be had flying at night, or with light to moderate weather patterns can not have that. I would like to come to some sort of logical and mutually agreeable solution to this. I am proposeing 30 in game minutes (not realtime but by the game clock) of night. That way you, those whoon seek the day light have the majority share of the MA game clock and those like myself can have at least the 30 game clock minutes of night. On the issue of weather, I propose something more like small random weather patters like showers or a small storm, not the massive feild grounding storms I have been acused of wanting. Please my freinds hear me out and let us try to come to somewhat of an agreement, if not on weather at least we can come to a mutually acceptable compramise for night. Thak you for your time.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
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I have just had one of the best sessions in the MA
myself and a number of others took and held three VH bases it was awsome to work as a team and not just fly around looking for a fight (not that I mind looking for a fight in the MA)
I had my first fight with a ME and I lost (110 vs ME) but it was because I pushed my plane to far again brill
FATAL1 BTW nice fight
Night Or Not I will keep playing this game it is brillient and addictive.
How ever if HTC made these options available I would want them.
The reson for this is again the simulation side of the game as above working togeather to take an objective is cool it requires more than point and shoot which is what gives this game its long term playability
Do what you will HT I will always be flying, crashing and being shot down here.
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Originally posted by 101ABN
would like to have the night back, good for the Lancs. Some adverse weather would be cool too. Rain would probably be a pain to program but some winds and fog would be a welcome sight.
Another game I play, Wings Over Vietnam.. outstanding BTW.. has nasty Nam style rain & fog to fly through.
...and cool cockpit reflections, where the sun reflects off the cockpit shell.
Quite a pain when escorting B52's and those pesky Migs show up... it's also a huge pain trying to locate SAMs, you hear "sam launch" but see nothing until that creeky finger of death smoke rises from the clouds.
But I digress... got my vote.
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How about just having a night time operations special arena separate from the main arena...perhaps one or two nights a week, allowing those who want to participate in night operations the opportunity to do so?
By the way...I just love the whining by those who want daylight only, because they just simply prefer to not have their time online compressed by the inconvenience of darkness, and don't give a fig about the desires of the other members of the community.
Your desires are no more important than ours. How about compromising a little.
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Remebering back to AH1, night and weather added value as far as I was concerned. With a removal of these items, I feel that AH2 has become less sophisticated than AH1 which is not a good thing in my opinion.
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My vote is no for night. I never liked it and I am glad its gone. The icon illumination defeats the purpose of stealth under the cover of darkness. I just changed the gamma to play but it didn't make it fun. I would never quit because of the night i just wont play during that time.
My 2 cents
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Night did take away icons for GVs which allowed for some very fun missions.
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i vote yes to night.........
the only thin i would to is limit icon range to 500 feet
lights on planes and gv's and runways and in towns
turn tracers off in bomers duyring knight for bomer oprator only so that the pilot of the attacing plane can still see them
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Seems that a limited night time could be put in place. Given the Ideas that this thread alone has produced i think that it would enhance the night time play. :)
BY the way Kudos to all of you that are comeing up with the ideas (eg. GV lights, town search lights, limit icon range, shorter period of night like 20-30 min) :aok
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I'm betting this is a dead horse since there is no input from HTC.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I'm betting this is a dead horse since there is no input from HTC.
I'm betting you are right, they took it out for a reason, I don't see them putting it back all of the sudden like this.
Nice attempt though, can't fault for that.
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I don't think I've ever seen HT say in the forums, "I like the idea, I'm gonna do that."
Instead, things just show up in patches.
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Originally posted by hitech
DaddyAck : Since you always in favor realism you must also desire.
1. 10 Min warm ups before each flight.
2. 6 hour flights with out ever seeing an enemy plane.
3. 30 hour drives in tanks only to be suprised attacked and never get to play again.
4. Not being able to play the game for 2 weeks straight because all flights are grounded do to weather.
5. If killed on sortie, you never get to play again.
My point is making statments Like I'm always for realism is realy saying Im always for MY version of what I think is realisitic and would be fun for me.
HiTech
Seems a little harsh HiTech, he was only making a suggestion, I thought that what Gameplay Feedback and Requests was for.
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I enjoyed AH when it had Night Time. I also would like more realistic weather,sloid decks, wind, rain limited vis. That would all be fun in the game.
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I am glad to see this petition carry on, Please if anyone else hapens upon this thread whoom is of the night likeing persuasion, give your desire voice in this thread. Though some say it be in vain to lobby for this cause. We, the lovers of night ops shall not pass idly into obscurity, but move boldly tword the objective of night's re-insertion in AH2. This petition is the best chance for the goal to be met, by raising awareness to the plight of the people! Sigh this petition, and let your voice be heard.
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*signed*
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nope,no night, neon icons ruin it for the "realism" crowd, and not being able to see the enemy plane without burning out the eyes with uber-gamma ruins it for the furballers.
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if possible a rolling time like I suggested would appease all.
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Well I vote yes.
After all why would they take the time to encode it into AHII if they were never gonna use it. Would seem silly to me but what do I know.
Would also like a occasinal meteor shower to go with the darkness. With random shooting stars and maybe even some northern lights.
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I say HTC makes a server that is realistic for those who like realistic flying. Like no externals, no bomb sites, real weather, real clouds, real wind, etc.... Instead of having people getting all mad when it turn night in the MA, y not have a Realistic Arena so those who like night, weather, and wind go to this server to play. I know I would go there and play all the time. It be nice cuz if u wanted to fly night missions and your in the MA and people don't want the night on. Then exit the MA and go the realistic server, jump in a lanc with your buddies and BLOW AWAY THE ENEMY.
What do u guys think.
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It sounds good, but why can there not be an acceptable compramise made that all can accept. This game shold not be tailored to just one perticular groups preferences, but be more suited to meet the needs of the many and not just one group. Why there can not be a reasonable compramise made betwix the furballers and the night ops guys. As far as the Icons those settings can be changed by HTC.
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but be more suited to meet the needs of the many
Is it possible that it all ready is suited to the needs of the many?
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
Is it possible that it all ready is suited to the needs of the many?
HiTech
Only you know the answer to that. What does your market research show? Perhaps a release of information on what may be expected in ToD?
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Originally posted by hitech
Is it possible that it all ready is suited to the needs of the many?
HiTech
Esteemed Sir,
I must give you and your comrads credit, this game is an enthralling master peice in the genre of combat flight MMOG's.
That being said, let me also say that I personally enjoy your product greatly, and find it superior to it's competitor's entries into the CFSMMOG catagory. I also have but one small greivence that I know is shared by others. You had night in at one piont, I humbly implore you you. Please re instate the night time, if only for a breif moment acordind to the game clock. Please sir consider the pleas of your people and grant us night.
Sincerely,
Daddyack
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I think the point that HT is making is that out of the 5000 some-odd subscribers, less than a 100 have voiced any interest in night.
Night would be rather gamey, or require a great deal of reworking the setup just to appease a small fraction of the the player base. Now, assuming he did do this, he'd then have to bow to the wishes of every other minority group with a quasi-realistic game play request, and then he'd never get anything else done but little tweaks to gameplay.
I liked night in AH1, but it doesn't look like the masses want night, so that's what's good for HTC. I'm sure someone active in the CT or SEA could run a limited night ops set up (small map, and whatever planes were active in night ops [or the closest thing we currently have] etc) to gage the overall interest in a night environment. When the friendly collision/no killshooter thread was going, the CT was setup that way as a test. Maybe a few words with those guys would be all you'd need to implement this. They can tweak icon ranges and dar and all that stuff as well.
Anyway, thought I'd toss that out there.
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How Refreshing!
Ok, so I left AH back in the AH1 days....no reason other than my PC couldnt get the frame rates I wanted either that or I really did stink....both possible reasons.
Anyhow I am getting ready to come back, but in the past few years I have been heavy into various MMORPG's. Lately playing World of Warcraft.
The game launched with lots of bugs...lol what game hasn't but to see how AH handles questions and responses from the masses is AMAZING!
It is refreshing to see dialog and open discussion in a forum run by a gaming group without people being banned and their accounts being closed.
Looking forward to my return.
Still hoping for TOD (the RPG aspect would keep me here longer I think)
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Hubs I apreciate your respose however, Ultimately it is up to HTC wether or not night time returns. What always amazes mr is the constant stream of people woom say that they can not bend not even alittle to allow for even a shortened night perion. I do not see how 20 or 30 game time minutes would affect their day time furballing? Oh well. :D
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
however, Ultimately it is up to HTC wether or not night time returns.
We have no night, therefore we can fairly easily determine what HT's position on night is.
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There might be about 5000 people that play the game, but not all look at the forums. Fewer post frequently. So then out of that bunch, you need to pluck out the ones who don't care either way towards the issue of night.
So far it seems that the majority of those willing to post in this thread want night time back to a certain degree.
And this is a perfect example of why we need polls. Off topic I know, but sometimes I want to just look at charts.
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So pick a night, ask to use the special events arena, and set up, for example, 'The Nuremberg Raid" of March 30, 1944.
Night ops, with 110s, Wild Sau 190s and 109s for the LW.
Lancs and Intruder Mossies for the RAF.
See how many people show up to fly at night.
Radar enabled to let folks get in the vicinity of the bad guys, but obviously it doesn't give altitude.
Who knows, the reaction to it might tell us a lot :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Well I want night back but I wouldn't participate in a scenerio to test out the idea simply because I don't like scenerios. Something about flying around for couple hours not really doing anything.
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Our faction rules.
We had night once, a long time ago.
Everyone, hated it.
(ok, almost everyone)
So, the night went away.
Take my word for it.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Nah, just skin a p38 all black, and call it a "night fighter". That will be really fun. Or better yet I could up a GV in the dark and see how many trees I run into that I can't see, then post on the BBS about what BS that is. Or, just log off for the hour of night and play "try to kick myself in the prettythang" waiting for the sun to come up.
Just saw a black P-38 (J?) in the hangar today. Why would we have black p-38 if there were not going to be a use for it?
On the other hand, I've also seen what appears to be a pink spit, and a polka-dotted ME-109 - and I don't know what good those are either.....
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What is the point of requesting night? Wouldn't asking for no dar bar, radar, or icons suit the same purpose? That way you can keep the current weather system and get the same result!
1.) You can't tell where the enemy is.
2.) Once you get close, there is the thrill of killshooter!
3.) You stand a better chance of hiding when you disengage.
4.) Perk planes can be flown with no concerns of ganging! Note that this a bit dated with the updated icon system.
5.) It can be called 'realistic' (note that this is not the same as historic).
What fun! Of course, I won't be doing any of this. Afterall, I hate night.
Regards,
Malta
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Maybe they should implement night time above 10,000 feet. Then all the La-7s and P-51s can continue their furballing. Bombers could have their night time missions and the addition of a few specialized night fighers could make it interesting.
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I would like to see a 30 minute night or so, but would REALLY love to get rid of the BS sun glare that is around for most of the time I am playing. I would think that having it for 10 or 15 minutes after sunrise would be enough... Weather would be even better than night if we could get it! I would also like to see snowy and desert terrian on some of the existing maps for a change of pace...
Bazi
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Yes Wurger to all that.
:aok
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Originally posted by SKJohn
Just saw a black P-38 (J?) in the hangar today. Why would we have black p-38 if there were not going to be a use for it?
On the other hand, I've also seen what appears to be a pink spit, and a polka-dotted ME-109 - and I don't know what good those are either.....
When you see a black P-38M two-seater, then you'd be looking
at the nightfighter.
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I just plain don't like night time :p
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Apearently, there are those that woul like to see it again. It would be awesome and would leave room for the adition of night fighters.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Apearently, there are those that woul like to see it again. It would be awesome and would leave room for the adition of night fighters.
Gotta hand it to you for your persistence but night does suck.
Have you ever played this game during the "night" ? ... offline does not count.
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Ahhh, nightttime in AH. How peaceful the MA was, when everyone landed and logged for an hour.
I like the concept of nighttime. You may imagine a night mission to be romantic, but actually flying it stinks. Night cannot be implemented properly in the MA.
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Ahhh....Night in the MA.....Was either crank up gamma so you could half way see, or log off and go eat is what the majority did. Most didn't care for it, hence the reason it's gone.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Gotta hand it to you for your persistence but night does suck.
Have you ever played this game during the "night" ? ... offline does not count.
Yes I hosted on sevral instances a head to head match.
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Ever played the MA at night? It's fun the first few times, but then it goes downhill. Permanently.
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I was looking into the game and saw some screen shots of play during the night time, That is actually one of the reasons I joined. I really did not know for a while that they had removed night, I just thought I had poor timing loging on. Now that I have played sereral nights all night long, I see that it goes straight form dusk to dawn with no hesitation at all, it is rather like flying across the Atlantic. That is the only other time I have seen such a thing.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Yes I hosted on sevral instances a head to head match.
Sorry ... that doesn't count either and neither do screenshots ... you had to have experienced it in the MA environment to really understand the true level of SUCKAGE that it provides.
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You just do not want to compramise do y'all. Please, try to use reason. Out of those that play this game only a fraction are on these boards, there fore this is only a small sampleing of the opinions of the general public. I have heard many voices wanting the night time back just like I have heard y'all. Those that hate the night are as it seems are sounding the loudest, only due to the fact that every time I check this thread it is the same ones each time denounceing the night. Atleast I have heard several voices from those wanting night time back.
I remain unwaveringly in support of the re insertion if the night time hours.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Sorry ... that doesn't count either and neither do screenshots ... you had to have experienced it in the MA environment to really understand the true level of SUCKAGE that it provides.
I do not believe that it was suckage, to the contrairy my squadies have told me that every thing is better at night time. I tend to lean twords believeing them. From what I have seen in AH2 HTC has done a marvelous job of renereding night time (oh and that full moon is awesome, I swear it is just like a opicture of the real moon) :aok
Please those of you whoom like the night sighn here on the line :)
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
I do not believe that it was suckage, to the contrairy my squadies have told me that every thing is better at night time. I tend to lean twords believeing them. From what I have seen in AH2 HTC has done a marvelous job of renereding night time (oh and that full moon is awesome, I swear it is just like a opicture of the real moon) :aok
Please those of you whoom like the night sighn here on the line :)
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They are lying... slapshot is right, it was suckage =P
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Originally posted by sullie363
I don't think I've ever seen HT say in the forums, "I like the idea, I'm gonna do that."
Instead, things just show up in patches.
Yeah, but you know if those things were your ideas. Then you feel all good about yourself for at least an hour.
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After reading this I thread I have a strong desire to go fly in big circles around a MA tornado trying to get enemy pilots sucked in. This would be pretty much exactly like a furball is now, but it would look cooler.
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I really kind of miss night time in the MA. If it wasn't for night I never would have learned how to attack buffs.
Basically here's how I remember it going down: The sun sets, all your friendlys vanish in an instant. Is this the apocolypse? Why did every just vanish? Then the buffs come. Lots and lots of them, all low alt. None of them can see you, so they are easy to kill, but your ammo is limited and it wont matter for long. After a good half hour of killing buffs you run out of gas and head to your airfield, which is easy to spot because everything is on fire. Ahh, you finally get to land that 10 kill sortie. So, now that the sun is coming up and your completely sick of killing buffs you go to get back into your regular fighter. But wait, every single airfield is at 25% fuel, (now it would be no FHs, which isn't quite as bad because they only go for 15min.) and theres a raid in the process of taking out radar. So whether or not you stuck it out through the night you're unable to play and still in the same boat as all the quitters, might as well go do something else for half an hour while fuel comes back.
I know this doesn't sound like that great an experience to have when you're looking for a sortie, but when you've been flying for 6 hours straight it's good to have a break to go take care of business. My laundry has never been so well done as when there was a night time in AH.
-pellik
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I like the concept of night, as do others whoom have vocalized it either in theis thread or other wise. I along with those others would welcome and embrace the chance to fly at night.
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So DaddyAck, let me get this strait, you want Night Back?:rofl
I think if you post 100 more times that you want night back, it automatically gets added back in. Wait was that 100 or 1000?
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Yes, We want night back! :p
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Maybe HT could just give you guys a special 'nighttime MA'. He could just use the backup MA server. This way you could experience all the joys of logging into an empty server that nobody wants to play on because of the dark.
-p.
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DaddyAck - the problem with night-time ops...
a) It's hard to see anything, let alone take-off.
b) There were no night-goggles at that time
c) Fighter engagements is near impossible at nighttime (I know, in the CT we've tried nighttime with limited success).
d) You can't see your foe.
Did I mention it was hard to see anything?
That said, the CT often has 1/2 hour nighttime, and is focused on realism vs MA gameplay - that is an alternative.
As for weather, during WWII, rain and snow meant you didn't get to fly. Missions were usually scrubbed because of poor weather. Up high, poor weather = sleet/icing and aircraft did NOT have icing gear to deal with those issues.
Besides, most WWII pilots were fair-weather fliers. For buffs, that's a different story, but fighter pilots, kind of pointless and dangerous to attack fighers/bombers in poor visibility. Can't hit what you can't see.
Personally, rain would be nice in Aces High, so would ground fog and snow. But that's just me. I'm a CT realism queen. ;)
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Originally posted by mars01
So DaddyAck, let me get this strait, you want Night Back?:rofl
I think if you post 100 more times that you want night back, it automatically gets added back in. Wait was that 100 or 1000?
LOL
He doesn't want it "back" because he's never experienced it. He just wants to give it a try. I'm not sure why... its the same MA with 75% less players in the air and you just can't see as well. If they do this, I want the ability to drive the supply choo choo train when its night time. I want to live out my dream of being a nighttime railroad engineer. I mean, they had those in WWII right? Wouldn't it add realism? Nighttime is just an excuse for all the gomers to play grab-ass for an hour :aok
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
DaddyAck - the problem with night-time ops...
a) It's hard to see anything, let alone take-off.
b) There were no night-goggles at that time
c) Fighter engagements is near impossible at nighttime (I know, in the CT we've tried nighttime with limited success).
d) You can't see your foe.
Did I mention it was hard to see anything?
That said, the CT often has 1/2 hour nighttime, and is focused on realism vs MA gameplay - that is an alternative.
As for weather, during WWII, rain and snow meant you didn't get to fly. Missions were usually scrubbed because of poor weather. Up high, poor weather = sleet/icing and aircraft did NOT have icing gear to deal with those issues.
Besides, most WWII pilots were fair-weather fliers. For buffs, that's a different story, but fighter pilots, kind of pointless and dangerous to attack fighers/bombers in poor visibility. Can't hit what you can't see.
Personally, rain would be nice in Aces High, so would ground fog and snow. But that's just me. I'm a CT realism queen. ;)
I agree with Fork the CT has night time and if there were weather we'd have it there to. I dont even know why there are "clouds" in the MA there shouldnt be time in there eather i bet most ppl would like the time set to be at noon and stay there. the MA is for the most unrealistic playing u can make the CT at least trys to be as realistic as possible
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HAHAHA LOL How, yep.
I agree Truekill, the MA should be the place where you are guaranteed to log in and find a fight.
CT, TOD should be where the realism is, not the MA.
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I hope I'll never see nighttime ever again in the MA. For me, it never was anything but a nuisance. The dusk/dawn thingy is irritating also.
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I miss the night, and I too thought due to my logging time I was just missing it till very recently when the sun moved 180 on me.
Yes you could tell many hated it but why, you could still fly and often it gave you chance to get into a postion to really have some fun.
I do remember various times when it went dark rolling aircraft to hit targets such as carriers because you had a little more visual cover, even with the icon.
I also hadn't noticed the weather was gone, I just thought that was a map setting that had not been implemented.
These 2 featuers alone made you think a bit more about what you did, during night you could move between locations a little safer, and the weather again allowed you to escape a dangerous situation (unless like me you chased people into clouds!)
They added a bit more of a challange and fun and I find it amusing to see how many people apparantly dont not like this challange...
It does take skill to make good use of either night or low visablity and it seems its lacking...
I don't go around complaining about not being able to fly a Me262 in the MA often because I dont have rarely have the points but I am 'paying' for it so those that complain about night cos they cant fly... work it out...
Also as someone before mentioned you cannot base the response's in this topic to be a guide to those who would night and weather affects. I am good example as I visit these forums maybe once every few months! I suspect we get less than 20% of the AH2 users here often enough to reply in a suitable timeframe.
CB.
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If not the night ....at least bring back the weather :D
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Yeah, night was pretty awful. It was like flying with a blindfold on, which you try in the MA right now, if you like. I think the only guys who were into it were the ones that turned up the gamma on their video cards.
Oh yeah, don't forget how you can't run missions at night and how everyone logs off (and some stay off). Thanks for reminding me how I'm glad it's gone...
I would like to see the cloud banks come back, though, along with the pea soup clouds. Those were fun.
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night time ='s login off OR uppin a gv to shoot endlessly at the red icon with absolutely no results to show except wasted ammo. 38
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I didn't mind the old night in AH1 but then again I don't fly as much as some of you guys. I'd only fly 5-6 hours a week if a scenario wasn't going on that I was practicing for so a half hour or hour of night was interesting.
Now weather and clouds (at least scattered real clouds) would be great.
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:D See Im not the only one whoom wants a limited form of night :aok
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See Im not the only one whoom wants a limited form of night
Yes but you are the minority, thank god.:aok
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Might be the minority of those here on these forums, but by far there are more of us in the arenas that perhaps do not ever visit the forums.
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Yes, there are thousands that do not post on the forums. However, why would you think they want night back? Remember, a lot of them actually did play back-in-the-day when we had night. One would think that if they all missed it so much, they'd let us know. I wouldn't mind night, given certain factors or adjustments. However, having said that, those things would require a great deal of recoding/tweaking, and its obviously not worth the effort to satisfy just a handful out of 5,000 customers. You can keep posting til you go blind or die of old age, but recalling the glory of a feature you never saw isn't making your position any more convincing. Give it up chief.
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He may not have seen it, but i did.
and I still would like to see it back.
The thing that amezes me the most is that you folks dont want to compromise with the rest. We also pay the 15 bucks a month so why not have those features in the game?
Im sure as some have stated, night is not for every one....
none the less this is a flight sim and even Microsoft flight sim has night.............. And if you havent flown at in the Microsoft flight simulator you probably dont know that you can see perty well at night...
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wakka wakka dang dang
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ya know, its pretty bright with a full moon...
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It's really sad that the complainers rule the game...No matter what HTC does somebody hates it....
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HTC had it correct in AH1 ....it went all the way to night for about 5min ...then sunrise ..this was the perfect balence ..just enuff night for nightime operations...yet its brief enuff to keep the furballers happy ...It's shame when you realise that new players have never seen the moon rise... it is truely lovely
I VOTE:
YES!!...Weather
YES!! ...Night
and a HUGE YES! ...to any improvment HTC wishes to make!!
....Take that MA whiners!!
Helm
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Dont understand why 1 map in rotation couldnt have night. Then see how well it is accepted.
To me AH2 Night looks much better than AH1. Maybe we will see the aircraft better and have more success. Who knows it really has never been tried in the MA...Since AH2 release.
I have over 20 guys in my squad, and only one dislikes nightime. The rest would like to see it back. If nothing else bring it back as a test.
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I used to not care whether it was night or not, but I have
come to the conclusion that night wouldn't be so bad for two
reasons.
One, I could avoid having my eyes burned out by that
supernova thing on the horizon during dawn/dusk ;)
Two, it would give me a good excuse for asking for the He-219
and P-61. What the heck, maybe HTC would like a break from
the TOD thing for a little while :aok
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I understand your point about compromise, DaddyAck, but 1/2 hour is worse than nothing. You can heardly get up and find a target, especially in a buff mission, in a half hour.
So you end up with all the disadvantages and none of the advantages of night.
And unless dot radar were eliminated and gamma cheats dealth with, the lack of visibility would be pointless. The MA is supposed to be for fun, with realistically modelled flight sim aircraft. It's not a recreation of WW2 combat conditions, missions, risks, or environments.
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Originally posted by hitech
DaddyAck: I normaly use the term discus and debate equaly.
What an odd thought. Are you suggestioning one cannot have a discussion without it being a debate? :)
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The Damned
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Yes, there are thousands that do not post on the forums. However, why would you think they want night back? Remember, a lot of them actually did play back-in-the-day when we had night. One would think that if they all missed it so much, they'd let us know. I wouldn't mind night, given certain factors or adjustments. However, having said that, those things would require a great deal of recoding/tweaking, and its obviously not worth the effort to satisfy just a handful out of 5,000 customers. You can keep posting til you go blind or die of old age, but recalling the glory of a feature you never saw isn't making your position any more convincing. Give it up chief.
Actually I, along with many others, played "back in the day (LOL)". Guess what? It didn't really bother us one way or the other. We came to fly so we did. Those few who coudn't deal with learning how to fly and fight in the dark, left for an hour or two. Most of us considered it their loss, if we even considered it at all. You asked the question why do you think why the 5000 would want night back. A same question can be asked, why not?
As far as the 5000 subscribers I gather you never learned that in any society there are the masses who go out and get the job done not matter what goes on. And there are those 10% who could never be happy with anything anyone does or suggests. If you take a close look there are those few who makes suggestions about game play then get off the boards. There are the masses who go fly and never say a word and there are the few that spend all their time on the BBS telling everyone who bothers to read their trash that the game should be played their way. And it doesn't matter to them that the majority thinks differently. They don't even have a clue as to what the majority thinks but they only care that what they say should be gospel. Since they normally get squelched in the arenas this is the only outlet for those 10%.
Take a close look at the BB's you will see those few names who ask questions or make suggestions about the game. Then you will see those 10% who's names appear over and over who always whine that their way should be followed. They are very easy to spot.
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Ren
The Damned
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I too flew "back in the day". Night sucked then and it would still suck now.
What people don't realize is that HT decided to switch the whine to "the other side of the fence". No other reason except for that and maybe he did realize that the way night time was implemented really just wasn't cutting it.
If and when he does switch it back, I believe that it won't be the same night that we had before ... it will be better and with that, hopefully more engaging than flying around with one's eyes closed.
With the development of TOD, I can see that HT would need to implement night operations. Out of that development, I can see some of it coming back to the MA ... possibly.
Then you will see those 10% who's names appear over and over who always whine that their way should be followed. They are very easy to spot.
And then there are those who are pompopus and suffer diarrhea of the mouth along with constipation of thought ... they are easy to spot too.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Then you will see those 10% who's names appear over and over who always whine that their way should be followed. They are very easy to spot.
Taaaa Daaaaa! Slapshot steps up as one of the magnificient 10%. See what I mean? That sure didn't take long. MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
And then there are those who are pompopus and suffer diarrhea of the mouth along with constipation of thought ... they are easy to spot too.
You'r absolutely right! You're very easy to spot. If the shoe fits.....MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
You guys really need to get a new spiel.The one you always use is really old.:D
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Ren
The Damned
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LOL ... you are way too easy Ren.
Please show me where I have ever whined that "my way" should be followed.
Am I not allowed to voice my opinion in this thread like everybody else ? ... or has the ever pompous and all-knowing Ren been given the position to say who can and who can't post.
Anybody who has read your posts as of late will know that this shoe ...
And then there are those who are pompopus and suffer diarrhea of the mouth along with constipation of thought ... they are easy to spot too.
... really does fit on your foot.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Please show me where I have ever whined that "my way" should be followed.
LOL, Did I ever say you? It seems you responded as one of the 10% without my ever mentioning your name. Doh!
Anybody who has read your posts as of late will know.... exactly what I'm talking about. :)
I've said what I wanted to say, you've come forward to prove I'm right. Thank you.
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Ren
The Damned
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I'll go REAL slow for ya ... follow the bold.
You said ...
"Then you will see those 10% who's names appear over and over who always whine that their way should be followed. They are very easy to spot.
Taaaa Daaaaa! Slapshot steps up as one of the magnificient 10%. See what I mean? That sure didn't take long. MUAHAHAHAHAHA."
and then I said ...
"Please show me where I have ever whined that "my way" should be followed."
and then you said ...
"LOL, Did I ever say you? It seems you responded as one of the 10% without my ever mentioning your name. Doh!"
Hope it all works out for ya ... I have heard that recovery from a lobotomy is a long process.
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As long as people can adjust gamma nite makes no sense.
It would be like giving us the option to turn of the trees. All or none.
If HT decides it's best for gameplay--so be it --as long as they can stop the gamers from doing their thing.
If they wanna bring back the old days I vote for buffs wither lazer bombs and guns.--that was fun.
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Come on slapshot. No one is as stupid as you pretend to be. Its impossible.
Ren
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Go into offline mode. Under setup->arena settings you can change the time of day and change the day cycle. Seeing night in offline mode is exactly like seeing night in online mode since there are about the same number of people in the arena.
The new clouds are really really pretty at night.
-p.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Come on slapshot. No one is as stupid as you pretend to be. Its impossible.
Ren
LOL ... no one could be as stupid as you are ... no pretending there ... it's like a blinking neon sign.
When do you get the stitches out ?
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Since noone else did it, I did a search for threads on nighttime. You get a HUGE list, so here is a synopsis: Pretty much there were a select few who liked it, but the majority hated it. The last link there is a post by NathBDP which sums it up: "I logged on last night, and we had 120 guys, night set in shortly after and we went down below 60".
Thats every night guys, EVERY NIGHT. That hour sets in, and over half the MA logs. Yah, you are entitled to your 15 dollar say, but if half the people don't want to play when the MA is in nighttime, I got bad news for ya... HTC will soon remove it. And look what happened... they removed it :aok
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104759
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88115
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66389
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65243
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7690
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don't think people are asking for an HOUR LONG night time.
I liked night , just did not like it for that long a time, but back then when people logged in , after they got home from work and had a limited number of hours to fly, they usually got nailed with an HOUR of NIGHT TIME.
so yes one could easily see why so many complained about it.
but then again, not everyone plays in the evening, and this sim is open 24/7 unless SKUZZY trips over the cord.
so what is wrong with having a 10 / 15 or 20 to 30 minute night time? geez why is it not possible to satisfy both sides of the arguement for a change? a little night here alot of day there and everyone be happy campers.
and as always only what 10 to 20 % of the player base even reads and responds to the boards here, so you can only say the majority of the ones posting a reply on the boards hated it. So why not use the polls we use to see in AH? when we logged in to the arena or logged into the game?
yes they removed it, but who's to say they will not bring it back? not anyone of us, that determination lays soley in the hands of HTC
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If I am not mistaken, The tunisa map in the CT this week has a night time in it!! I started playing last night and when I loged in the sky was dark, just defore the dawn broke. It was an awesomely rendered portrayal of a sunrise, and may I ad quite pleasant to fly in.
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So can we have night back? My black lanc sticks out like a sore thumb!:cool:
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I would like the return of not only night but the mist also, it looked fuggin awesome.
A 15/30 min night followed by a sunrise with mist which gradually 'burns' off would be great.
Fed up of almost perfect 'Summer' days.
I remember when HT tried the mist out in the MA, the majority liked it (increased frames also), no idea why it hasn't returned.
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Mist is good, it goes into the whole title of the thread.... the return of night and the adition of weather and wind.:aok
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so what i dont under stand is why they havent even responded to this yet ...?
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HT has.
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Oops Replied in wrong thread.
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no u didnt u just need to give a ansewr we have been requesting for a long time now........:rolleyes:
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Is there some reason you night guys couldn't just set up a head-to-head arena, and enjoy it there??
That way, you get your graphic effects, night gameplay (whatever that is), and you avoid annoying the majority who doesn't want it...
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well we could ....but H2H is only a 8 player room....
maibe if we had a seperate arena this would be solved
im shure there is more than 8 folks in the ma that would like to fly in the dark at one time
so unless you can make h2h at least 100 player room ................
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Basically, These here on these forums are but a small sampleing of the comunity as a whole. And I know as Maxius has stated above that a private arena only has eight slots, and for a good time there would have to be more than just eight people playing.
Besides here is a similar thread that I did not even start which proves my point.
It is in the General Discussion Forum. Called "Bring back Night time"
:D
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Is there some reason you night guys couldn't just set up a head-to-head arena, and enjoy it there??
That way, you get your graphic effects, night gameplay (whatever that is), and you avoid annoying the majority who doesn't want it...
Who says the majority DONT want it back?
Be nice to see some hard data/evidence before a sweeping comment like that.
I remeber people 'claiming' that 50% logged off during night, even 50% is NOT a majority. If I remember correctly it was never close to 50% logging anyway.
As for the gamma tweak, theres a way round that also. HT just needs to disable the video card control panel using the registry.
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Who says the majority DONT want it back?
I do.
HiTech
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I miss the sheep too.....and the night...and the sheep at night......
I am one for the Night.....and the sheep.
:aok
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IN
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See for each negative, there are also those whoom would rally behind the cause of night.
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Originally posted by hitech
I do.
HiTech
Thats all we needed, a voice from someone who knows rather than speculates.
Thankyou.
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When the light gets low....the gamma goes up.... so much for realism.
Never much cared for nights... but the Christmas bonus was kinda fun...
Trust in Hitech... for what would we have without him?
This is a great game, as much as we squawk and grumble ..
this is good stuff. :cool:
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weather-yes
night-dont really care one way or another...it is nice to take advantage of the night but it never lasts long enough to really play a role in strat.
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A 30 min night is plenty of time for one to utalize them in strat.
Oh yeah, I'm still around!:cool:
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Exactly, give the GVs some headlamps and voila. (Oh about the tracers, it would be cool but to be historically acurate I would disable my tracers)
PS. I respect the oposing views of the anti-night faction, and to that extent I ask you now. Is there no compramise that can be found? The daytime hours dominate the MA giving you that which you hold dear ;however, for tose like myself whoom feel that there is fun to be had flying at night, or with light to moderate weather patterns can not have that. I would like to come to some sort of logical and mutually agreeable solution to this. I am proposeing 30 in game minutes (not realtime but by the game clock) of night. That way you, those whoon seek the day light have the majority share of the MA game clock and those like myself can have at least the 30 game clock minutes of night. On the issue of weather, I propose something more like small random weather patters like showers or a small storm, not the massive feild grounding storms I have been acused of wanting. Please my freinds hear me out and let us try to come to somewhat of an agreement, if not on weather at least we can come to a mutually acceptable compramise for night. Thak you for your time.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
You just dont get it......if night time comes back the vast majority of the arena players will do 1 of 2 things....
1) Turn up their gamma so they can see well enough to fight effectively.
2) Log off.
The first one nullifies the night time. The second one is not conducive to keeping paying customers.
If you are really this adamant about playing during the night, WWIIOnline has nightime, you might think about trying that game. I have to warn you, the majority of players there turn up their gamma settings when the nighttime rolls around.
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As for the gamma tweak, theres a way round that also. HT just needs to disable the video card control panel using the registry.
I doubt that is gonna happen since you can adjust your gamma settings in game now.
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Originally posted by Elfie
I doubt that is gonna happen since you can adjust your gamma settings in game now.
True, but in conjunction with removing that option 'ingame', it would suffice.
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I want snow and thunder :(
i are sad
maybe rain:(
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Originally posted by Kev367th
True, but in conjunction with removing that option 'ingame', it would suffice.
It would, but I would just log off when I couldnt see well enough to dogfight anymore, as would many others ;)
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im for it, but i doubt it would be implemented in MA, tho in TOD i would betcha htcs got some weather coming our way.
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Originally posted by Elfie
It would, but I would just log off when I couldnt see well enough to dogfight anymore, as would many others ;)
I actually think the twilight/sunrise is worse for visibility than total night.
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Ahh.....
It still continues. Boy, Y'all furballers must hate guys like me. :D
Night time is not all that terrible, I mean with the full moon it is really not that terrible.
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I understand you want night, but have you thought about the gamma slider/ logging issues? That's the real world -- not making the game exactly like WW2, but keeping satisfied customers. The majority dont want night; those who do want night like the game enough to keep playing; and there are technical/gamepaly issues that keep night from being equally dark for all players.
It may be time to give it a rest, man.
PS It's one thing when you're typing fast for a post, but IN YOUR SIG, man, you better watch your spelling if you want to be taken half seriously....
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Preach on brother Furious!
It always lessened combat, people would constantly go AFK or just log off when they come on during the "night hour".
I'm with you man, I can not stand the dark time, I log off and find something else to do during that time, like have an MGD or actually talk to the wife LOL
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I'm back :)
Oh yeah, and STILL championing the return of night!
(Bump)
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I'd like to see the night, weather, and Ah1 clouds again also.
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I want 22" spinners on all of my planes HTC.
Karaya
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If we can't have weather "effects" how bout some darker clouds to block the 12 oclock sun we seem to always have.
Kinda overcast looking would be great, it's not night but it's something!
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Sounds like a no brainer. Am I paying for this?