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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlueJ1 on March 28, 2005, 09:26:16 PM
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Im going through withdraws, with not having any hockey this year. So flipping through the sports channels I fall upon the European soccer (football) channel. I found it pretty fun to watch. It was England vs Germany. Ended 2 to 2.
After seeing two English players accidently headbutt one another and start bleeding I was quite suprised when one was bandaged up and started playing again while the other was taken off the feild on a stretcher. Ive decided Im going to watch Euro soccer (football) alot more now. I have a few questions:
1.When did the season start ?
2. Is it too late in the season to follow a teams progress ?
3. Whats it mean when it says England under 21 vs Germany under 21 ?
4. How long is gameplay ? Is there an overtime ?
5. Whats a good team to follow ?
Thankyou kindly
BlueJ
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1) Season starts in August.
2) Of course. The warious pan-european cups and leagues are just geting into the finals stages so should be interesting. The various national leagues are also getting into their final stages. I think there are still some Wolrd Cup qualifiers to be played as well.
3) under 21 indicates a youth team (all players must be under 21). If it just said England vs. Germany then it would be the senior teams (i.e. the main players). Likewise their ate under 19 and under 16 teams as well (this applies to most team sports outside the US, not just football).
4) 90 minute (45 minutes each way). Overtime does not occur in most competitions. In normal league play a draw stands, in finals play where therr must be a winner the match is usually decided on a penalty shoot out (each team gets five penalty attempts: the one scoring the most goals wins).
5) I can't really answer this: it depends on what league and competitions you are following.
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All the answers I wanted, thankyou very much. One last question, how does the penalty system work ?
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
All the answers I wanted, thankyou very much. One last question, how does the penalty system work ?
Around the goal mouth, there is a 6 yard area (goal keeper's area). The outer box around the goal mouth is the 18 yard area, also known as the "penalty box". Normally when the game is being played in midfield, if a foul is committed, play is stopped and a free kick is given to the other team. However, if a foul is committed by the defending team in their own 18 yard "penalty box", a penalty kick is awarded to the other team. The ball is positioned on the penalty spot, midway between 18 yard line and 6 yard line, ie. 12 yards from the goal mouth. The only people allowed in the 18 yard area while the kick is taken are the goal keeper, the person taking the kick, and the referee.
In extreme cases - serious fouls, for example a player makes a deliberate attempt to stop the ball with his hand, or where the offensive player had a shot at goal but was fouled, the offending player will be shown the Red Card, and will be dismissed from the game (sent off). I'll leave someone else to describe what happened in the Argentina v England World Cup game in 1986 - the "Hand of God" goal. :mad:
Penalty kicks are usually successful (unless taken by Chris Waddle of Sheffield Wednesday :lol ) but the goalie does save a few. I once saw a save made from a penalty kick, but the ball bounced back to the player taking the kick, and he had a second crack at it - the ball went in, and the goal was allowed.
In some competition games, if no definite result has been achieved after extra time, the game will be decided by a "penalty shoot-out" (Lazs, don't get excited!) Each team takes 5 penalty kicks against the opposing team, and the result decided from that.
In fact IIRC, the FINAL of the World Cup 1994 (hosted by USA) was decided that way. (Italy v Brazil?) -can't remember.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I'll leave someone else to describe what happened in the Argentina v England World Cup game in 1986 - the "Hand of God" goal. :mad:
Each time I see a replay of this one I've the Eric Clapton song Cocain in my head :)
dunno why :D
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England is playing in a world cup qualifier on Wednesday 30th March at 1945 BST. We're playing Azerbaijan who lost recently to poland 8-0, so it could be a high scoring match.
The Premiership (Englands football league) doesn't finish until may. Matches are generally played on saturday or sunday, sometimes a tuesday. A good team to watch would be Chelsea, Manchester United or maybe Arsenal (Arsenal havn't been their best this season).
For some really good european football there is the Champions League. This is a tournament played through out the season between the teams that finished top and 2nd of their country's football league. Although some countries can enter more than just 2 i.e England entered 4 teams this year.
Champions League football generally is of a higher quality (unless you're watching an italian team winning 1-0) and nice to watch. Fixtures for the champions league (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/champions_league_fixtures/default.stm)
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Thankyou kindly All.
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I follow English football, I find it faster and more physical then other leagues in Europe.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Im going through withdraws, with not having any hockey this year. So flipping through the sports channels I fall upon the European soccer (football) channel. I found it pretty fun to watch. It was England vs Germany. Ended 2 to 2.
After seeing two English players accidently headbutt one another and start bleeding I was quite suprised when one was bandaged up and started playing again while the other was taken off the feild on a stretcher. Ive decided Im going to watch Euro soccer (football) alot more now. I have a few questions:
1.When did the season start ?
2. Is it too late in the season to follow a teams progress ?
3. Whats it mean when it says England under 21 vs Germany under 21 ?
4. How long is gameplay ? Is there an overtime ?
5. Whats a good team to follow ?
Thankyou kindly
BlueJ
i was watching that game, england u-21's threw it away. Was a nasty clash of heads....
The season is just coming to the best bit, with the major cup finals, run in on the premiership and final stages of the champions league (avoid watching italian teams).
In the summer (close season) the England team is going on (a very controversial) tour of the USA - so you should be able to see a bit more then.
COME ON THE ARSENAL!!
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vava voom vava voom vavavooooOO OOoom!
thierry hen-ry! thierry hen-ry!
(http://www.arsenal.com/images/wallpapers/astonvilla05022005_800.jpg)
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activities that end in a 2-2 tie are not real sports. there is no winner, only 2 losers
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You found soccer exciting? Have you ever watched paint dry....you'd love it.
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Why is it that practicaly the whole world loves football then ? Cmon weaselsan.
Please don't tell me that funny grid iron game you call football is more exiting?
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Arsenal are a French man's excuse for poor discipline and poor form.
Sheffield Wednesday is still the bomb.
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I ONLY watch Fussball World Championship (2006 in Germany)
and Europe Fussball Championship (2008 in Austria/Swiss).
As you see every 2 years Fussball mania here :)
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Originally posted by JB73
activities that end in a 2-2 tie are not real sports. there is no winner, only 2 losers
Multiply the numbers by six or seven.
WOAH-AH! :eek:
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JB73
activities that end in a 2-2 tie are not real sports. there is no winner, only 2 losers
they can use the same way around this as everyone else, make each goal count for more than 1 point.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I'll leave someone else to describe what happened in the Argentina v England World Cup game in 1986 - the "Hand of God" goal.
I'll bite. Someone want to explain?
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Blue,
Another bit of info sometimes you will notice that the clock continues to run after the 45 minutes are up. This is to make up for injury or stopped play time, any time that the ball is out of bounds or there is an injury the clock continues to run so they add time on the end to make up for it.
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Originally posted by majic
I'll bite. Someone want to explain?
Diego Maradonna, the star striker of the Argentinians used his hand to knock the ball over the head of Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper and into the back of the net.
It was perhaps the most blatant handball ever seen in international football but somehow the referee didn't see it and gave the goal (he may have been bending down to pick up his white cane at the time).
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Originally posted by Pei
Diego Maradonna, the star striker of the Argentinians used his hand to knock the ball over the head of Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper and into the back of the net.
It was perhaps the most blatant handball ever seen in international football but somehow the referee didn't see it and gave the goal (he may have been bending down to pick up his white cane at the time).
Pei, I've seen that play 100 times and that ball was clearly off his neck/shoulder area.
You guys lost. Get over it.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Pei, I've seen that play 100 times and that ball was clearly off his neck/shoulder area.
You guys lost. Get over it.
Do not feed the troll.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
Blue,
Another bit of info sometimes you will notice that the clock continues to run after the 45 minutes are up. This is to make up for injury or stopped play time, any time that the ball is out of bounds or there is an injury the clock continues to run so they add time on the end to make up for it.
This explains alot! I was wondering of my adding skills were lacking when I added 45 and 45 to get 90 minutes, then the clock kept going.
Just watched England vs. N. Ireland (4-0) Good game.
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Originally posted by majic
I'll bite. Someone want to explain?
I'm afraid I misled you by including that incident in a discussion about penalties. My point was that if Side A had driven the ball forward and into the penalty box of Side B, then if (for example) a Side A player had an opportunity - a shot at goal - but his attempt was thwarted by a Side B player by foul means, eg. punching the ball away with his fist, or tackling the player from behind, a good referee (ie not the one that refereed England v Argentina in WC 1986) would book the Side B player. He would be shown the Red Card and sent off. After that, Side A would be awarded a penalty.
However, in the "Hand of God" incident, Diego Maradona was in an offensive position - in England's area when he punched the ball into the goal, so the most the referee could have done in that situation would be to disallow the "goal". DM might have been shown the yellow or even the red card, but it would have been a free kick to England - no penalty.
As for whether it was a handball incident, there is a video I've seen which is on the web somewhere. Argentina "won" 2-1, but the bookmakers refunded the stake money to those punters who had bet on a 1-1 result, which is what the score would have been but for the HOG goal.
Argentina got their comeuppance at the next World Cup in 1990, in which they reached the final but lost to Germany. I remember all the Argie whining. Clearly, they were used to having their own way, and it didn't happen that day. Germany won 1-0.
Pei mentioned Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper. In the 1990 world cup, he was the oldest player in the tournament at 41, and was playing in his sixth consecutive world cup, the first being in 1970. And (you really want to know this) he was born in the same city as me, and played for them at age 16.
Hehe, I didn't know what to expect when the USA hosted the WC in 1994. But it was a good tournament. There were complaints from some players though - the grass had not been cut short enough. Also didn't Jack Charlton (Northern Ireland manager) get into trouble in Florida for allegedly coming onto the pitch? I think he was anxious for his players to drink more water during the match.
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Also there are some more rules you should know.
The foul play is divided into categories, so when you violate the rules your team looses the ball, when you violate them big time you get a yellow card and when you do a big no no you get the already mentioned red one.
Red card sends you off the field and leaves your team one player short. Also that player may not play the following match (depends on league, i think its the following 2 matches for some leagues?). You keep a yellow card for some matches and recieving a 2nd yellow card sends you off the field with red (or is it the 3rd?).
If there is a tie at the end of the game it depends on the rules weather the game may end this way, there is a shoot out or it is prolonged by 15mins. Also happens to be prolonged till the next goal.
On the free kick the players of the opposing team have to keep a min distance to the ball. The one kicking can choose to try and hit the goal directly but mostly the other team sets up a wall to make this impossible.
There is an "abseits" rule where if Team A passes forward to to his player and that player is closer to Team B goal than any player of team B except the goal keeper, team A looses the ball. The positions are counted at the moment the pass is shot, not recieved.
There is only a maximum amount of players per team allowed and a max number of changes during the game.
I am certainly no expert so maybe i got the rules a bit wrong... but its something to that extend. Maybe someone with more knoledge can give the correct interpretations.
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Beetle, just a quick correction. Jack Charlton was the Republic of Ireland manager not Northern Ireland. But you are correct about about the incident. Jack qualifies as the Ireland's most popular Englishman. Thanks to what he started the Irish team is feared on the world stage and looks to be heading to the top of it's group over the likes of France and Switzerland. Having said that they played badly the last two games. The current manager Brian Kerr is a neighbour of mine.
Northern Ireland on the other hand continues to sink into the abyss.
I must say it always amuses me that the Maradonna's goal still grates with English fans. Frankly England were not good enough on the day and remember Maradonna's second goal was voted the best ever by no more discerning judges than the British public.
But it all proves just how intense the emotions become when your country is involved in a 'mere' soccer match. I'm not even a soccer fan but the stress I feel when watching Ireland play in a world cup match is rarely experienced elsewhere. I think Americans miss out on that intensity because the USA team is fairly lightweight and the game not as popular as elsewhere.
When Ireland plays an important match the streets empty. Work comes to a standstill and everybody is tense and excited. It's the same for England and most other countries. Quite an experience.
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Abseits - Schutt is speaking of the offside rule.
Originally posted by cpxxx
Beetle, just a quick correction. Jack Charlton was the Republic of Ireland manager not Northern Ireland.
You're right. At the time of the 1990/94 world cups, he was manager of Republic of Ireland.
But I could have sworn he had some affiliation with Northern Ireland, so I did a google search and found his autobiography here (http://j-books.used-books.eu.com/Charlton+Jack+(with+Peter+Byrne)--Jack+Charlton+-+The+Autobiography----1.html). There are quite a few copies being sold. One describes him as manager of Northern Ireland. Is this a mistake? If not, when was he manager of Northern Ireland?
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England often play like donkeys but Maradona cheated and thats just not cricket. These things dont go unnoticed by the Great Magnet though, hence Maradona now weighs 150kg and cant wipe his own arse with or without the hand of God.
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Originally posted by vorticon
they can use the same way around this as everyone else, make each goal count for more than 1 point.
ok... then 2 "scores" to 2 "scores"
Either way there is no winner
real sports have winners and losers, and the athletes are man enough to fight or play it out until it ends
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JB73, stop.
This is not debating if this game is more manly then any other game. Its just something to watch.
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Blue, England are playing in about an hour and a half against Azerbaijan.... should be a walkover.
If you want to keep up to date with live scores and fixtures, check this out. Also gives line ups.
http://score.planetfootball.com/
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Originally posted by Dowding
Arsenal are a French man's excuse for poor discipline and poor form.
Sheffield Wednesday is still the bomb.
you are ghey, what would you know about football?
i bet you love it to drool over their legs.
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Thanks Furball, I got the reminder on tv ready. Will be watching.
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I'm glad BlueJ1's queries relate to football and not Cricket. If you want to know what it feels like to push a rock uphill, try explaining Cricket to an American. The easy part is convincing them that it's NOT really like baseball. After that, the migraine sets in. :(
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ok then beet1e.
How bout answering if yall still have tea time over there ?
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I will give it a go beet1e...
Cricket is an excuse to go out, sit in the sun all day and get pissed in summertime.
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T minus 1 minute until kickoff, or whatever its called.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Why is it that practicaly the whole world loves football then ? Cmon weaselsan.
Please don't tell me that funny grid iron game you call football is more exiting?
OK...a little better than watching paint dry, but not much better than watching grass grow.
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Originally posted by Pei
Diego Maradonna, the star striker of the Argentinians used his hand to knock the ball over the head of Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper and into the back of the net.
It was perhaps the most blatant handball ever seen in international football but somehow the referee didn't see it and gave the goal (he may have been bending down to pick up his white cane at the time).
Is it legal to hit the ball with your ass? If it is, my wife could be a super star.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
I ONLY watch Fussball World Championship (2006 in Germany)
and Europe Fussball Championship (2008 in Austria/Swiss).
As you see every 2 years Fussball mania here :)
You ordered any tickets for the World Cup yet? 31 March 2005 is the last day to order the first batch. There will be more chances to order some in May and then later in the year on, I believe, a first come first served basis.
As for England vs Azerbaijan.... why do people always think this will be a walk over? Because Poland beat them 8-0? England only managed a 1-0 victory over them in Autumn. Quite often the teams described as 'walk-overs' (i.e. 5+ goals) never really materialise because we either put the curse on England or they get over confident?
I'm watching the match at the moment and England have had many chances but as usual never put them all away. Shame!
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Hi Nexx.
Typical England, miss loads of chances ;)
And the game WAS a walkover, the chances, posession and quality of england's play made it a walkover, they actually played well, just didnt convert many chances.. Could have easily been 6 or so nil if luck had gone our way with those.
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Good game.
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Beetle, no that reference is definitely a mistake. He had nothing to do with Northern Ireland other than the lead the Irish team to play against them in Belfast. There is often confusion in some circles. Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Eire, Ulster etc. Confusion reigns.
Believe me I know. He's part of the folklore here now. It took an Englishman to restore pride in the Irish football team. As a kid I followed England and couldn't even name a member of the Irish team. But I could name the entire England '66 squad. It was ironic that part of that squad led the Republic to victory against England on one occasion.
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France drew again. Atleast they managed to score for a change. Nice to see Henry playing as well for France as he is for Arsenal.:D Looks like Ireland have a very good chance of winning their group.
I was working tonite so i missed the match, i'll record it when it's on this morning at 1am. It is nice to see England not resorting to the long ball, hoofing it up field like they tend to do.
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Sorry, Furball, I don't consider anyone who wasn't born within 10 miles of the ground a true fan. I'd ask how the prawn sandwiches are at Highbury, but you are probably more of a canape fan yourself.
<<< currently sitting 7.5 miles from Hillsborough. I am rocks.
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Isn't there a shootout in the event of a tie?
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Originally posted by hawker238
Isn't there a shootout in the event of a tie?
No....in the game of euro feetsball, if there is a tie both teams fans burn the town down.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Isn't there a shootout in the event of a tie?
In league games there isn't. But in competition (knockout) tournaments where a positive result is needed to decide who goes through, extra time of 30 mins will be added. Still no result? Penalty shoot out. Read my post from 3-29 at 09:27. Penultimate paragraph. ^
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Originally posted by weaselsan
You found soccer exciting? Have you ever watched paint dry....you'd love it.
It's more exciting then a rugby with gay body armor wich for some reason called football.They dont even use feet,why football?
Patriots,2004 world champions!!!!
Wait a minute......nobody played that game but USA.
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Originally posted by Furball
Cricket is an excuse to go out, sit in the sun all day and get pissed in summertime.
Which is what happens in Australia.
In England, on the other hand, the fans watch the rain come down again and wonder why their team sux so very, very badly.
:D
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Originally posted by Furball
Cricket is an excuse to go out, sit in the sun all day and get pissed in summertime.
Which is what happens in Australia.
In England, on the other hand, the fans watch the rain come down again and wonder why their team sux so very, very badly.
:D
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Originally posted by Dowding
Sorry, Furball, I don't consider anyone who wasn't born within 10 miles of the ground a true fan. I'd ask how the prawn sandwiches are at Highbury, but you are probably more of a canape fan yourself.
<<< currently sitting 7.5 miles from Hillsborough. I am rocks.
Holy $h1t, I better give up supporting football, there's only Sunday pub teams within 10 miles! Arrrrrggggghhhhh! :)
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Originally posted by Furball
Hi Nexx.
Typical England, miss loads of chances ;)
And the game WAS a walkover, the chances, posession and quality of england's play made it a walkover, they actually played well, just didnt convert many chances.. Could have easily been 6 or so nil if luck had gone our way with those.
It wasn't just luck. It was poor finishing and amazing goal keeping! He may have been a crap goalkeeper but he did his job and got between the ball and the goal no matter how unorthodoxed he was!
England may have dominated but I consider walkovers wins by far more goals; definitely not the rout everyone was expecting. I mean AZR only had about 3 chances and they could have scored on two of those! England need to pull their socks up and ensure they take advantage of all their chances. They can't afford to miss that many chances against a poor team 'cos they'd get punished if they were playing a better side.
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Originally posted by Scherf
In England, on the other hand, the fans watch the rain come down again and wonder why their team sux so very, very badly.
Hehe, it's a bit obvious, as trolls go. ;) But 15 years ago or so, I would have agreed with you. English cricket hit rock bottom IMO.
But in the 2004 season, I was bloody impressed! :eek: Some said we had the best team for 25 years, and I don't disagree. We even thrashed the West Indies in the 2004 test series - unthinkable in some other years.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Dowding
Sorry, Furball, I don't consider anyone who wasn't born within 10 miles of the ground a true fan. I'd ask how the prawn sandwiches are at Highbury, but you are probably more of a canape fan yourself.
<<< currently sitting 7.5 miles from Hillsborough. I am rocks.
I dont like prawns. And how do you know i wasn't born within 10 miles?
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(http://www.krysstal.com/images/club_ipswich.gif)
Loyalty is a wunderful thing.
Things I now live on the other side of the country. Does that mean I can't be a fan anymore!?
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Hehe, Skydancer - you forgot to remind Furby of the time when Ipswich and Arsenal met in the 1978 FA Cup Final (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/1321993.stm).
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MMMM yes I know. Smug satisfied silence!
My primary school teacher was Paul Mariner's wife! could you imagine a footballers wife having or needing a Job nowadays! ( I don't count Mrs Posh Spice. That aint a Job )
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Plymouth Argyle (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A954911) :)
Greeeeeeeen aaarmy:D
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hehe, Skydancer - you forgot to remind Furby of the time when Ipswich and Arsenal met in the 1978 FA Cup Final (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/1321993.stm).
OMG!!! I SHOULD REALLY CARE!! THAT WAS ONLY 5 YEARS BEFORE I WAS BORN!!
OMG OMG OMG!
;) :D
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(Slowly leaves the room)
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
(Slowly leaves the room)
get back here!!!
you WILL support arsenal (http://www.arsenal.com)
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:D
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Siberia and Spain today I think.
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Watching Isreal-France game now. France has no offense in this game.
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That is because...
va va voom vava voom vava voom!!
vava voom vava voom vavavooooOO OOoom!
thierry hen-ry! thierry hen-ry!
(http://www.arsenal.com/images/wallpapers/astonvilla05022005_800.jpg)
Was not playing..
he is awesome. in fact... the word awesome does not do him justice, he is godlike! (insert unreal tournament god like shout here)
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Oh.