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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sox62 on March 29, 2005, 11:16:34 AM
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Story (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=624576)
She's a real menace alright.
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Well...while I dont think it is all that big of a deal. There were other paths she could have taken here. I really think the situation flashpointed here. Just be lucky they were pelet guns and not the real thing. That being said the gun in question is made by S&W and it is very powerfull. I have fired one once and was impressed with the power it had. It is possable she may have hurt one of these kids pretty bad, if not even may have killed one if she had really shot them, rather than shot at them.
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A burglar had broken into my store and was running away. I fired a round into the ground and then pointed the gun at him. My intent was to make him think that I shot at him and missed. (He was 100 yards away with his back to me.) Night time break-ins stopped after that.
eskimo
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Originally posted by Kegger26
Well...while I dont think it is all that big of a deal. There were other paths she could have taken here. I really think the situation flashpointed here. Just be lucky they were pelet guns and not the real thing. That being said the gun in question is made by S&W and it is very powerfull. I have fired one once and was impressed with the power it had. It is possable she may have hurt one of these kids pretty bad, if not even may have killed one if she had really shot them, rather than shot at them.
Kids like this deserve to die.
eskimo
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Kegger,it's highly unlikely she would ever be able to get the real thing in her own house.
This happened in the U.K.
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My biggest question is do these criminals turned victims get prosecuted for their crimes in wich they were committing while they were "victimized"?
we allways here about the brit nanny govt punishing home owners for defending their property but never hear about what happens to the robbers.
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Those are the people that don't need guns, She had to look outside her yard to look for trouble.
I hope they nail the kids for vandalism. but she was way off base here.
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Seems like a decent woman. Not like she did any harm and maybe the littles sbags will finally leave her alone...
What a suck society to deal with this in such a way.
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ridiculous, there is no crime in england.
she was charged with a "firearm" crime? airguns have no "fire"
she should have given the children a good talking to , that would have fixed them.
the law was aware of the attacks on her but did nothing until she did something.
englands new law will ban door locks because it might impede
the criminal.
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WTF is "affray"???
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She should have used the flat tipped pellets and waited till they were on her property then popped them in the arse. No different than you do with stray dogs digging in your yard or chitting on it. If kids want to act like animals and destroy other peoples property then they will be treated as such.
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Airguns have been reclassified as firearms in the UK since a 2 year old child was killed with a pellet through the eye this year. I wonder what happens when all tools are banned in the UK and its a 48 year old woman vs a gang of teenagers with her bare hands.
I noticed her son who is 17 did not go with his mother to protect her from the gang, regardless of the airguns. It is his Mother. Coward! What kind of men are being rased in the UK if the sons will not stand by the mothers in a pinch? Cowards! Article said 2 sons. Cowards!
I noticed her boyfreind distanced himself from the issue. What kind of a Coward is he when the love of his life has to confront the littel monsters alone? Some kind of a liberal professor or something?
What kind of a country allows it to reach the point that it's women have to confront a gang of littel monsters in the street to get justice?
If you look around on British news sites, this kind of teenage gang harrassment of it's citizens is quit common.
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that will teach the old scumbags to not interfere with the rights of the young and strong to vandalize and show their strength..
my gawd... she actualy had "intent to frieghten with violence" what the hell was the little cherubs intent called?
lazs
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Originally posted by Maverick
WTF is "affray"???
I think it is some type of british haircut, like an afro but like more gay.
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Just goes to show that there is NO justice anywhere...and I thought we were the only place where criminals have more rights than those on the side of good....There is no hope for this world.
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From YourRights.org.uk
Affray
It is an affray if you use or threaten violence to somebody else in such a way that a person of reasonable firmness would fear for his or her personal safety.
Street fighting, with or without weapons or missiles, is an affray. It can be tried in the Crown Court or the Magistrates' Court. The maximum penalty is three years' imprisonment.
Historical Definition:
affray \uh-FRAY\, noun:
A tumultuous assault or quarrel; a brawl.
Mounted encounters by armored knights locked in desperate hand-to-hand combat, stabbing and wrestling in tavern brawls, deceits and brutalities in street affrays, balletic homicide on the dueling field--these were the martial arts of Renaissance Europe.
--Sydney Anglo, The Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe
An Irish soldier was stabbed with a boar spear by a German mercenary in 1544 during an affray that followed Henry VIII's capture of Boulogne.
--James Williams, "Hunting, hawking and the early Tudor gentleman," History Today, August 2003
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Affray comes from Old French esfrei, from esfreer, "to disquiet, to frighten."
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Couldn't help but think of the roving gangs of Grannies menacing fit young punks skit from Monty Python. Obviously the teachers need to unite in a similar fashion.
Ah well, the price of living in our modern society is to be willing to sacrifice one's tool shed for the sake of the greater good. We must be willing to go that extra mile, to have the bars put on our windows, and to be willing to cooperate with criminals and give them what they want, with the firm conviction that after we have been raped, burgled, or assaulted, there is a slight possibility the perp might eventually be found, convicted, and sentenced to up to several months in an overcrowded detention center and that they will be taught a lesson other than those involving honing their criminal skills.
Additionally we can avail ourselves of the countless "Teachers who have lost Toolsheds" therapy groups and feel better about the situation by meeting with other victims to drink bad coffee and complain about the need for more legislation that will somehow get the police to lock up the young punks before they vandalize our toolsheds or maybe we can get them to ban rocks, spraypaint, and testosterone?
Well in any event, all of this is a small price to pay in order to be able to continue to feel superior and protect our children from harmful exposure to to religion, values, discipline, and outmoded concepts like right and wrong, good and evil and so on. They'll be far happier living wild as nature intended them to, roaming free, hunting in packs, breeding whenever they are in heat and killing off the weak and elderly... or is that wolves? I've forgotten.
Well luv, I hope you've learned your lesson. They'd never have trashed your shed if you'd been a member of "Hells Grannies".
(http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/compdiff/hellgr1.jpg)
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Affray is what my cousin was prosecuted for. Got 4 months.
A suspended sentence would have been justice in my mind. Her actions were way over the top, mind.
Just goes to show that there is NO justice anywhere...and I thought we were the only place where criminals have more rights than those on the side of good....There is no hope for this world.
There is no hope for the world because of shows like The OC and Dawson's Creek. The writing has been on the wall for some time.
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Airguns have been reclassified as firearms in the UK since a 2 year old child was killed with a pellet through the eye this year. I wonder what happens when all tools are banned in the UK and its a 48 year old woman vs a gang of teenagers with her bare hands
Not true. Airguns have been classified as firearms in the UK for decades - all statistics for gun crime includes crime involving air weapons.
If you look around on British news sites, this kind of teenage gang harrassment of it's citizens is quit common.
And in America, black wannabe-white, former singer, bankrupt paedophiles prey on rich or seriously ill kids and you are more likely to be mowed down in the classroom than in the street.
But that's the media, huh?
What I find really funny, is the way the Americans on this board assume British people have suddenly been disarmed in the last 15 years. Check this little fact out - the British populace hasn't been armed for a century or more. Perhaps then you will understand things a little more instead or dragging out the same tired rhetoric.
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JUST OFF THE WIRE LONDON!!!!!!!
10,000 grannys hearing of the plight of the former school teacher Linda Walker converged on her home to deal justice to the gang of youths who terrorised her and her sons. Witnesses said one moment the gang stood in front of the army of granny's and told them to "piss of you ol'toshes". The next moment they dissappered under the knitting needles, garden sheers, bumbershoots and boots of 10,000 angry seniors. Scotland Yard could find no remains of the youths larger than a tuppence and is asking if witnesses could help them to identify and bring to justice these out control elderly women. Rumor has it the locals answered the Yard by saying "What elderly women?".
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Airguns.
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what ever happened to citizen's arrest in the UK?
links below are examples. a search on citizen's arrest, gets a lot of results returned.
http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm (http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm)
http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/articles/PCT_Citizens_Arrest.htm (http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/articles/PCT_Citizens_Arrest.htm)
http://www.prairielaw.com/articles/article.asp?channelId=8&articleId=1329 (http://www.prairielaw.com/articles/article.asp?channelId=8&articleId=1329)
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Originally posted by DieAz
what ever happened to citizen's arrest in the UK?
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citizens get arrested all the time , it's the criminals that are hard to catch.
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Your kind concerns are have been noted, and just so none of you lose sleep over us poor brits, I've included a link to put all your minds at rest.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1466593,00.html
People can use objects as weapons, such as a bat, knife or gun, and almost any level of violence against a burglar could be acceptable in the right situation, Ken Macdonald, QC, the Director of Public Prosecutions, said.
Sleep tight.
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My biggest question is do these criminals turned victims get prosecuted for their crimes in wich they were committing while they were "victimized"?
The "criminals" in this case were standing on the road near her son's car, which was not damaged in this instance. She claimed they poured some water over the car. That's the extent of their "crime".
What happened is she lost her temper over various earlier events, and took it out on some young men who happened to be in the right place at the right time.
As the judge said:
"You assumed these individuals were likely to be the same individuals who had caused the vandalism to your property."
There's no evidence that the people she threatened with what appeared to be a handgun had done anything wrong at all.
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Mr Macdonald said that the CPS had brought only 11 prosecutions against householders in 15 years, including one in which a burglar was tied up, thrown into a pit and set alight.
:rofl
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Anyone here ever been the target of harassment and repeated vandalism by teenage males? If it goes on for a period of time, they find ways to let only you know they did it. Feeds that sadistic mean streak many young males have. Then they stand around and watch the show like innocent angels.
This article left alot out from Linda Walkers side of the issue other than making her look like a madwoman. But then that image works better than letting victemised people think they can seek some kind of justice when it feels to them the local constabulary doesn't care. The reporter never inquired how was she sure the group of youths was her group of vandals. Obviously they were getting her goat so to say. Probably getting good reactions from her sons. What a pair of cowards. They probably know who the group is also.
Based on her background, I doubt this woman was other than a solid citizen being purposly harrased by a group of sadistic little monsters. She cracked, goes to jail and they are doubely emboldend to find new victems. And just wait for her happy home coming.
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She made two mistakes. One was to ring the police and tell them what she was going to do and then going after them when they were well away from her house. If she's simply zapped them in the garden there would have been less consequences. Still the law is an bellybutton in this situation. There is no way she should have got a custodial sentence. Stupid.
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an airgun!
gawd I hope we never get as wussy and bloodless as that...
lazs