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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: killnu on March 29, 2005, 03:15:37 PM
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hope this helps some realize its not always about politics.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=politically%20correct (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=politically%20correct)
:aok
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personal computer?
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Its forcing an apology from generations far beyond those who committed the offenses, and expecting everyone to be happy with it. Its a fake smile at the point of a gun.
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politically correct
adj. Abbr. PC
Of, relating to, or supporting broad social, political, and educational change, especially to redress historical injustices in matters such as race, class, gender, and sexual orientation.
Being or perceived as being overconcerned with such change, often to the exclusion of other matters.
Sounds political to me.
Just another example of "white guilt" if you ask me.
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wow, you read one word out of that? impressive :aok try to read whole thing and get its meaning. :rolleyes:
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He said it was 'not always' political.. 8)
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Sure!
Why can't we just use hateful names for people whenever we want to? I'm sure we don't mean it.
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Why can't we just use hateful names for people whenever we want to? I'm sure we don't mean it.
so, it has nothing to do with politics to you? interesting.
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Originally posted by killnu
wow, you read one word out of that? impressive :aok try to read whole thing and get its meaning. :rolleyes:
But that's just it....it is allways political.
People arent usually PC among their "own kind"
When somone is being PC they are playing "politics" PC is a fake gesture. It's pretending to make nice so you are not a social outcast. THAT is playing politics. Politics isn't allways about govt. either.
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like gun said.. not always about government
politics
n 1: social relations involving authority or power [syn: political relation] 2: the study of government of states and other political units [syn: political science, government] 3: the profession devoted to governing and to political affairs 4: the opinion you hold with respect to political questions [syn: political sympathies]
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ahhh ok, didnt understand your def of politics. but your def of PC sounds the same as mine then, making others happy...at some cost to you.
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Originally posted by killnu
but your def of PC sounds the same as mine then, making others happy...at some cost to you.
not "making others happy" but saying or doing something you are possibly morally opposed to as to not be "offensive" or crass.
that i will NOT do ever, and that is my defination of "PC"
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PC Is what replaced old fashioned manners LOL.
Did it work NOPE!!
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Ok so I read the whole thing:
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politically correct
Also, PC or p.c. Showing an effort to make broad social and political changes to redress injustices caused by prejudice. It often involves changing or avoiding language that might offend anyone, especially with respect to gender, race, or ethnic background. For example, Editors of major papers have sent out numerous directives concerning politically correct language. This expression was born in the late 1900s, and excesses in trying to conform to its philosophy gave rise to humorous parodies.
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PC is Tyrrany by Minority as practiced in the U.S. The constitution does not recognise a right to not be offended. It does recognise the right of free speech, which is the foundation of a free society which values the arena of ideas. Not the tyrrany of a minority which enslaves the language of the majority in a bid to achive dominion over the culture.
Controling the definition of "Words" is one of the tactics Lenin proscribed to over throwing a government. Another tactic was the instilling of collective guilt into the majority population with the redifined "Words" or language. Orthodoxy, dogma, indoctrination. Say the lie loud enough and long enough no matter what evidence, reason, or logic is presented.
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Originally posted by bustr
PC is Tyrrany by Minority as practiced in the U.S. The constitution does not recognise a right to not be offended. It does recognise the right of free speech, which is the foundation of a free society which values the arena of ideas. Not the tyrrany of a minority which enslaves the language of the majority in a bid to achive dominion over the culture.
i like this statement
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Originally posted by killnu
hope this helps some realize its not always about politics.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=politically%20correct (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=politically%20correct)
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PC is whatever I say it is :D
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Your all full of partially digested food solids in semi-liquid form.
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PC is........................... .....................
Not saying what you actualy feel to please someone else.
Saying things in such a way that the total meaning of what you had in mind is totaly lost to please someone else.
It is 'conform comrad" in camoflauge.
It is a shelter for the weak minded.
It is the first step at an attempt to thwart freedom of speech.
It asks you to be a total fake and unloyal to your feelings, yourself, and your beleifs.
It is asking people to take the first bite of a thinly disguised Commie candy bar.
It is what I am not, will never be and make no apologies for not being.
Most of all, It`s GAY.
:D
That dog won`t hunt and never would.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Your all full of partially digested food solids in semi-liquid form.
Yup, I'll agree with that. My semi-liquid form used to be taquitos.....BRB
OK.....now I'm less full of partially digested food solids in semi-liquid form.
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"PC Is what replaced old fashioned manners LOL.
Did it work NOPE!!"
I agree!
Manners maketh man they used to say.
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PC is Tyrrany by Minority as practiced in the U.S. The constitution does not recognise a right to not be offended. It does recognise the right of free speech, which is the foundation of a free society which values the arena of ideas. Not the tyrrany of a minority which enslaves the language of the majority in a bid to achive dominion over the culture.
I couldn't agree more.
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I have never paid much attention to the whole PC tyranny thing... except... I will admit that it is fun to get MT's wife worked up once in a while.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I will admit that it is fun to get MT's wife worked up once in a while.
lazs
It sure is.
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PC is NOT the same as manners!
Manners would be showing proper respect to others(Thank You, Please, Your Welcome) while PC would be catering to the current whims of people who are offended easily.(Holiday Bunny, Happy Holiday, Gay Marriage)
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I'll never use PC, it is a crutch for the weak.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Mighty1
PC is NOT the same as manners!
Manners would be showing proper respect to others(Thank You, Please, Your Welcome) while PC would be catering to the current whims of people who are offended easily.(Holiday Bunny, Happy Holiday, Gay Marriage)
exactly....Queer used to be acceptable....now it's partially offensive unless it's five guys giving a make over.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
exactly....Queer used to be acceptable....now it's partially offensive unless it's five guys giving a make over.
That statement is very PC...
Had you said:
exactly....Queer used to be acceptable....now it's partially offensive unless it's five queers giving a make over.
It would not have been PC..
:)
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the gheys even have their own xmas song ...opps sorry, holiday song.
""now we don our ghey apparel,
fa lalalalaaaa...la.la.laaaa""
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
That statement is very PC...
Had you said:
exactly....Queer used to be acceptable....now it's partially offensive unless it's five queers giving a make over.
It would not have been PC..
:)
but if I said "he's queer" or "queer as a 3 dollar bill" homos would take offense to it.
What I think is especially stupid is somone that is a homo can say queer no problem but a strait white man can't
I suppose homo is offensive as well huh.
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PC is simply the disco of communication.
the really pathetic clingers on will get all decked out in their PC gear and jump on the bandwagon and be really embarassed years from now... some form of PC will allways exist in a retro disco ball kind of way tho.
It's a fad... a really bad one that brings out the worst in the nannies but... a fad none the less.
PC makes being not PC even more fun tho.
lazs
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As with anything PC can be taken to extremes and abused. But for the most part cutNdryed PC is nothing more than a show of respect whether it be from fear or true feelings.. It is not something that will fade away.
A not so PC example would be black folk before the equal rights movement.. People, white people, had no trouble referring to the colored man as a ****** because they had no fear of him. They knew they could use such description without any reprisal.. Not so anymore. The use of such verbage will warrent, and rightly so, an bellybutton kicking..
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Circumventing the language filter
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Circumventing the language filter
What about the double standard with that word in particular. I as a "caucasian" say it and I may get killed...yet "they" can use it as an everyday term.
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Political correctness is just a PC term for showing respect or civility..
Nothing has changed since the word's inception.. You can choose to be civil or not. It is totally up to one's self as is the thrashing that might be received in kind..
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Political correctness is just a PC term for showing respect or civility..
Nothing has changed since the word's inception.. You can choose to be civil or not. It is totally up to one's self as is the thrashing that might be received in kind..
Sort of sounds like you have gotten more than your share of bellybutton kickins.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Sort of sounds like you have gotten more than your share of bellybutton kickins.
Good thing for you interpretations are free.. :)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Political correctness is just a PC term for showing respect or civility..
Once again I dissagree!
An example of being PC would be if you had a 100 people over at Easter and one person decides to change the name of the bunny to the Holiday Bunny because he/she doesn't like the term.
Showing respect or civility would be the other 99 people not telling the one to go **** him/her self.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
As with anything PC can be taken to extremes and abused. But for the most part cutNdryed PC is nothing more than a show of respect whether it be from fear or true feelings.. It is not something that will fade away.
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A good definition of PC:
I was born in North Africa and am white. I was reprimanded by my company because a black african american where I work was offended when I called myself a white african american. Problem in my mind is, he was born in Oakland California and I was born in Casablanca Morrocco.
Another example:
A white highschool student in Nebraska who was born in South Africa entered into an essay contest to compete for a college related monitairy prize. The contest was held for african americans "only" to help them with tuition. African american students in the highschool complained and his essay which rated one of the highest was pulled and he was reprimended by the school for disrespect to the african american students.
He went to court and the contest is now open to all racial persuasions. It was ruled discriminatory based on race to have an african american only essay contest in a public highschool. Last I heard he was looking into running for president of the african american student association at his high school. He beleives he's a shoe in because he's the only African American in the school.
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so dude... you are saying that because of PC... colored people are better fighters today?
I use whatever word best describes the situation and there are no terms for races I won't use in the right circumstance.
Any respect or politeness will be my decision.
lazs
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Nothing in our constitution grants you the right to be respected or guarantees your right to be treated politly or respectfully. Not being "PC" does not infringe on anyones basic freedoms set out in our Bill of Rights or any of the other amendments.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Good thing for you interpretations are free.. :)
And a good thing I have freedom of choice and speech and beliefs.
A good thing that people can still think for themselves instead of being told what to think and to say and do.
A good thing that most people, when it comes down to reality, approach how they treat people on an individual basis and not the "props" some try to stand behind.
A good thing that self thinking people can make their own decisions based on how someone conducts themselves in regards to others, no matter what race, color or heritage, instead of being boldly labeled " This jerk must be accepted because....." .
A good thing that most people with common sense can smell BS a mile away.
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Personal attack
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self moderating
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Circumvention of language filter
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self moderating
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Originally posted by Manedew
Circumvention of language filter
Mwuahaaaaaa! man I hope this was a joke!
If not you are one of the most (how to be PC about this?) intellectually challenged individuals I've ever seen.
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Originally posted by Manedew
Personal attack
Originally posted by Manedew
PC = not assumeing
all this on a single breath, wow.
"PC = not assumeing"
one of the silliest statements I've read on this board.
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Mane, if you will add a little cornmeal or less ground shad it will give that stuff a little less of a baity aroma. :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
I use whatever word best describes the situation and there are no terms for races I won't use in the right circumstance.
Any respect or politeness will be my decision.
lazs
As is for all of us..
This thread was about a simple definition of PC. Which is what I attempted to give my view of.
Its pretty funny all the comments I get back (not really talking about you lazs as I figured your first line in this quote of yours was a joke). From jackle's comment on how I must have had more than my share of bellybutton kickings (why this would even come into this thread i have no idea unless there is some sort of other emotion working here) to infringments of civil rights .. lol
Jackal, why the need to type all that? do you feel i am interfering with your freedom of choice?? lmao I never offered opinon on how one should use PC. I use it when its needed but the bell does ring on occasions.. I'm certainly glad you got your own 'good things' though even if interpretations isn't one of them.. lmao
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Once again I dissagree!
An example of being PC would be if you had a 100 people over at Easter and one person decides to change the name of the bunny to the Holiday Bunny because he/she doesn't like the term.
Showing respect or civility would be the other 99 people not telling the one to go **** him/her self.
Here! Here! The Celtic festival of the Spring Godess Oester symbolized as the bunny with eggs to represent new life should NEVER be altered just to please some group of picky jacka... oh...uh... nevermind.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
As is for all of us..
This thread was about a simple definition of PC. Which is what I attempted to give my view of.
Its pretty funny all the comments I get back (not really talking about you lazs as I figured your first line in this quote of yours was a joke). From jackle's comment on how I must have had more than my share of bellybutton kickings (why this would even come into this thread i have no idea unless there is some sort of other emotion working here) to infringments of civil rights
It came from the combination of .......
As with anything PC can be taken to extremes and abused. But for the most part cutNdryed PC is nothing more than a show of respect whether it be from fear or true feelings.. It is not something that will fade away.
It appears here you think someone else needs to, or even can, shape what is right for all and it will stay.
With this......
A not so PC example would be black folk before the equal rights movement.. People, white people, had no trouble referring to the colored man as a ****** because they had no fear of him. They knew they could use such description without any reprisal.. Not so anymore. The use of such verbage will warrent, and rightly so, an bellybutton kicking..
Here you inferred that no one can now express their feelings with out an *** kicking.
In other words you are saying one thing very meekly on the start, then expessing fear and covering your butt in the last.
In other words straddling the fence.
Most people I know of that trys this in RL gets the crap kicked out of them pretty regualarly .
Hope that cleared it up for you.
Jackal, why the need to type all that? do you feel i am interfering with your freedom of choice??
Oh I don`t know. Why did you find it neccessary to type all the stuff you did?
I didn`t see the sign that said I couldn`t post anywhere, so it just came natural .:D
You would be the least of my worrys when it came to freedom of choice, but it appears yours might be up for grabs.
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It appears here you think someone else needs to, or even can, shape what is right for all and it will stay.
Specifically how so?? I don't see it.. Who is this 'someone'??
Here you inferred that no one can now express their feelings with out an *** kicking.
It was an example of a form of modern day use of PCness or in other words not referring to other people/races in a way that might offend if that was not your intentions.. In other words showing proper respect if that is your intention.
Let me change the last sentence.. lol
"The use of such verbage could warrent, and rightly so, an bellybutton kicking.."
Rightly so because if you insult someone, you could rightly so deserve an bellybutton kicking..
In other words you are saying one thing very meekly on the start, then expessing fear and covering your butt in the last.
Covering my butt for what?? What have I to fear? Exactly what are you talking about??
lol And what is this straddling crap?? What two issues are you referring to here that I am sitting between? I cant wait to hear it! :)
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Geeez... we got another flat liner here?
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dude.. the quote was not a joke. At times, some racial slurs are very descriptive of the people being described. They also help to set the tone when needed. Words are tools.
I don't ban tools. You have to go to the liberal antigun nut crowd for that kind of sillyness.
I don't really even think that liberals are interested in anything but control anyway.
lazs
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Geeez... we got another flat liner here?
Well, perhaps I am.. But are you going to answer my questions or just spout bs??
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Originally posted by lazs2
dude.. the quote was not a joke. At times, some racial slurs are very descriptive of the people being described. They also help to set the tone when needed. Words are tools.
I don't ban tools. You have to go to the liberal antigun nut crowd for that kind of sillyness.
I don't really even think that liberals are interested in anything but control anyway.
lazs
yaya
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dude... I like your quote but I don't think you undersand it. It says that if you dare not reason you are a slave. PC makes slaves of us all... it says that reason is no only no longer needed but there will be no discussion on the subject.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
dude... I like your quote but I don't think you undersand it. It says that if you dare not reason you are a slave. PC makes slaves of us all... it says that reason is no only no longer needed but there will be no discussion on the subject.
lazs
Perhaps in your mind if you choose to read it that way.. But obviously something is wrong because you are contradicting your own words with your last post.. Either you, yourself, are a slave to PC, or you are not.. Which is it?
When you answer this, let me know which contradiction is right, kk??
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Geeez... we got another flat liner here?
ya got nothing?? lol
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Well, perhaps I am.. But are you going to answer my questions or just spout bs??
It`s allready been answered. sheeesh. DuuuuuuH!
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huh? the only slaves to PC are those who worship and bow to it. I ignore it except to make fun of it when it is particularly oppressive or silly.
lazs
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Originally posted by Jackal1
It`s allready been answered. sheeesh. DuuuuuuH!
No it hasn't.. Don't dance around it. Where is that brave soul that was posting bs to me a few post up here.. Answer these questions..
quote:It appears here you think someone else needs to, or even can, shape what is right for all and it will stay.
Specifically how so?? I don't see it.. Who is this 'someone'??
quote:Here you inferred that no one can now express their feelings with out an *** kicking.
It was an example of a form of modern day use of PCness or in other words not referring to other people/races in a way that might offend if that was not your intentions.. In other words showing proper respect if that is your intention.
Let me change the last sentence.. lol
"The use of such verbage could warrent, and rightly so, an bellybutton kicking.."
Rightly so because if you insult someone, you could rightly so deserve an bellybutton kicking..
quote:In other words you are saying one thing very meekly on the start, then expessing fear and covering your butt in the last.
Covering my butt for what?? What have I to fear? Exactly what are you talking about??
lol And what is this straddling crap?? What two issues are you referring to here that I am sitting between? I cant wait to hear it!
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Originally posted by lazs2
huh? the only slaves to PC are those who worship and bow to it. I ignore it except to make fun of it when it is particularly oppressive or silly.
lazs
Lazs - PC makes slaves of us all...
Which is correct?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
No it hasn't.. Don't dance around it. Where is that brave soul that was posting bs to me a few post up here.. Answer these questions..
quote:It appears here you think someone else needs to, or even can, shape what is right for all and it will stay.
Specifically how so?? I don't see it.. Who is this 'someone'??
quote:Here you inferred that no one can now express their feelings with out an *** kicking.
It was an example of a form of modern day use of PCness or in other words not referring to other people/races in a way that might offend if that was not your intentions.. In other words showing proper respect if that is your intention.
Let me change the last sentence.. lol
"The use of such verbage could warrent, and rightly so, an bellybutton kicking.."
Rightly so because if you insult someone, you could rightly so deserve an bellybutton kicking..
quote:In other words you are saying one thing very meekly on the start, then expessing fear and covering your butt in the last.
Covering my butt for what?? What have I to fear? Exactly what are you talking about??
lol And what is this straddling crap?? What two issues are you referring to here that I am sitting between? I cant wait to hear it!
If ya can`t read, it aint my problem. Carry on.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
If ya can`t read, it aint my problem. Carry on.
How weak.. Too afraid to try?? Com'on guy! You talked like such a tough man! I have legit questions here about your statements towards me.. Can you not back up what you write?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
How weak.. Too afraid to try?? Com'on guy! You talked like such a tough man! I have legit questions here about your statements towards me.. Can you not back up what you write?
What the hell are you whining about? Like I said your questions have allready been answered. Read being a key word here.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
What the hell are you whining about? Like I said your questions have allready been answered. Read being a key word here.
I'll just consider you coward then.. Have a nice day. :)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I'll just consider you coward then.. Have a nice day. :)
Consider anything you wish. I`ll just accept that you cannot read and we`ll both be happy. :D
Ate a lot of cheese lately or something? You seem a little irratable. Get you a good enema and you`ll feel better. :rofl
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Alright ladies..careful not to scratch each other too deep when the catfight starts
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Ahhh the boy will be allright as soon as he gets that enema and FedEx finaly shows up with his Ritalin.
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sheesh dude.. you are splitting hairs. PC attempts to make slaves of us all... the enforcement of it does make slaves of us all. Every time I am forced to write something a certain way or speak a certain way under some pain of penalty... It is an attempt to take away my power to reason.... this is what you call making slaves of us all.
PC is simply a bad idea... we can all agree on that then?
lazs
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In my view PC is not always a bad thing. But like most things if carried to an extreme, PC could be a negative in some view points.. I am personnally not aware of anytime PC has been forced upon me. If I wish to describe an action or person as I see fit, I do..
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that being the case..... then there is no point to PC for me or you.
lazs
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
In my view PC is not always a bad thing. But like most things if carried to an extreme, PC could be a negative in some view points.. I am personnally not aware of anytime PC has been forced upon me. If I wish to describe an action or person as I see fit, I do..
Directed by higher command..the term "Irish Pennant" will no longer be used to describe stray threads on your uniform....That was PC forced on people:D
was that really offensive to the Irish?Navyslang (http://www.navyslang.com/navyterms3.html)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
In my view PC is not always a bad thing. But like most things if carried to an extreme, PC could be a negative in some view points.. I am personnally not aware of anytime PC has been forced upon me. If I wish to describe an action or person as I see fit, I do..
Funny how Ive had Liberals tell me what they see fit when they PC me quiet about calling myself a "White African American" as a joke when I was born in Africa. And other Liberals call me a "racist" for the same thing. How can my statement be PC incorrect, or racist unless PC is being forced upon me. Im also a registered republican, conservitve white male over 40 and don't hide that from them.
PC exists in this culture as a primary tool to destroy the pre 1960's American culture and to cow the non anoited into denial of their protected 1st Amendmant right to the same freedom of speech the PC mongers strip them of. The only people Ive seen lately who say it as they see it are Liberals, protected minorities, extreem Left whacko's and a few concervitives and libertarians who are too old to be scared of law suits.
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And everyone else is FORCED to comply or risk, in my case Military punishment, for the rest of you..you can lose your job..and politicianss can and most likely will lose their office.
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How's this for a PC term? Parking diplomats. You know, the ones who ticket everyone so badly people are scared to go downtown to support the city's downtown revitalization effort.
That's PC thinking too!!!
If not so destructive to humanity, and misguided in its idealogy, it would be funny in the sense of absurdity being sometimes humorous.
At least people were free to stay away from downtown to avoid that small drop in the bucket of PC. Can't say the same for the merchants it hurt though.
Les
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
exactly....Queer used to be acceptable....now it's partially offensive unless it's five guys giving a make over.
:lol Thats funny:lol
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
As with anything PC can be taken to extremes and abused. But for the most part cutNdryed PC is nothing more than a show of respect whether it be from fear or true feelings.. It is not something that will fade away.
A not so PC example would be black folk before the equal rights movement.. People, white people, had no trouble referring to the colored man as a ****** because they had no fear of him. They knew they could use such description without any reprisal.. Not so anymore. The use of such verbage will warrent, and rightly so, an bellybutton kicking..
And if the situation were reversed said a**kicking would be a hate crime.
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yep.. would seem to me that bustr could call himself an african American but some 10'th generation American negro in a tribal dress is no more an "African American" than dude is.
lazs
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Originally posted by aztec
And if the situation were reversed said a**kicking would be a hate crime.
Exactly.
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lol You guys are a bunch of whining liberal girlymen!
What else can yall come up with about how yall are being abused by some made up term.. lol You poor girly men.. Its a made up term people..
People since the beginning of time have used their powers and influences to attempt control. This is no different in the situations that are given here.. You guys just like whining about it..
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so dude... you feel that people using their power to influence an attempt control is ok? or.... just when it is the kind of control you like? Perhaps it is one of those so called liberal "gray areas"?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so dude... you feel that people using their power to influence an attempt control is ok? or.... just when it is the kind of control you like? Perhaps it is one of those so called liberal "gray areas"?
lazs
Its not the point if I feel it is ok or not.. The point is it is a fact of life no matter who you are or where you live.. Every living thing on this planet resides under some sort of control..
The only question concerning control is how much control over our life we find acceptable.. There are probably as many different levels of acceptablity as there are people.
There are levels of control that I find acceptable or in the least have to live with. PCness, if described as a controlling function carried to extremes, is not one of them that I am aware of.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol You guys are a bunch of whining liberal girlymen!
What else can yall come up with about how yall are being abused by some made up term.. lol You poor girly men.. Its a made up term people..
And now you must resort to name calling to bolster your position.
Very PC and very impressive sir.
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dude we are back to it... you think some amount of control is good so long as it isn't your ox being gored. You like big intrusive government so long as it follows a liberal socialist agenda and controls people in a way that you approve of.
I am saying that PC is worthless and intrusive and illegal in the same way that the concept of "hate crime" is... words are words.. crime is crime. when you start adding penalties based on hate... that is stepping over the line.
lazs
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Well then I guess we will stop here because you obviously can't read what I'm writing. I'm tired of you telling me what I believe and what I think is good..
I never said/wrote any of that bs you just wrote..
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ok... PC... good or bad?
lazs
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Did someone mention fence straddler? :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Did someone mention fence straddler? :D
lol the coward mentioning that again??
What two issues do you mean??
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Originally posted by lazs2
ok... PC... good or bad?
lazs
PC is manners.. manners are good..
edit: laws enforcing PC - bad
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If PC equals manners then why bother? we already have a word for manners... it is called..... oddly enough... manners.
lazs
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sure, manners are manners, but PC is different.
im in certain military organization,ill leave it at that. now PC is not telling a certain joke because there are females in the room, but knowing those females would tell the same joke, that is pc. knowing if a woman would be offened by it, not telling it, that is manners. 2 different things to me.
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Originally posted by lazs2
If PC equals manners then why bother? we already have a word for manners... it is called..... oddly enough... manners.
lazs
Well I don't know the reason.. Perhaps, words, like every other thing on this planet will evolve from time to time.. Before manners if was called etiquette.
HERE (http://library.thinkquest.org/2993/history.htm) is a short lesson for you to read.. :D
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Originally posted by killnu
sure, manners are manners, but PC is different.
im in certain military organization,ill leave it at that. now PC is not telling a certain joke because there are females in the room, but knowing those females would tell the same joke, that is pc. knowing if a woman would be offened by it, not telling it, that is manners. 2 different things to me.
Why would you not tell the joke to the women sitting in the room?
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because they could nail you with sexual harrassment ;) its ok if she does it tho. pfft
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PC is the equivalent of an invisible Communist Politcal Officer in the room at all times. If you are a White male, the Officer is always listening and recording "you". When women, liberals or protected minorities decide to be offended by you, always at their discretion and by secret committe agreement, the Political Officer is the only justification they need for your ruin......................and ruin you they will.
Manners is agreeing to disagree about he perceived content of your comment or joke and parting ways to avoid further confrontation. PC is finding out that the person who agreed to disagree with you went directly to HR or the ACLU or their lawyer when you get served with harrasment papers walking into work the next day and seeing HR waiting to escort you out of the building with your final paycheck.
If any of you have ever thought that the mandintory "Sexual Harrassment Classes" at your jobs all seem to be in reality indoctrination on "How not to Piss off women for any reason at work and loose your job" you are right. My girlfreind used to be the HR manager for a company I worked at.
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I'll tell ya whats not PC....the 2nd to the last picture in the Finnish Aces High Thread.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
What two issues do you mean??
LOL
Still can`t read.
You say PC is good if blah blah blah.
Then you say it`s bad if blah blah blah.
Fence straddling Is one way to put it and like I said before covering your *** is another way to put it.
Your either for or against or you are straddling the fence to cover your ***.
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I wasn't commin back cause this was starting to look ugly, but what the hell, with Dude, Lazs and Jackal in here, it can't be that bad.
To get back on track here, in regards to the title of this thread, I did look up some websites discussing PC, and the one I found most interesting was this one. It is not light reading where psychology is concerned, but may help unveil the complexities of PC somewhat. By no means does it address all facets of PC, but does offer an explanation for the phenomenon. I don't regard the article as a hard core scientific end all, be all authority. That may be because I never thought about PC all that much before because it never affected me directly in the workplace (that I know of.) However, it is compeling and offers another point of view.
The end of the article even attributes a possible positive aspect to PC.
Here 'tis a link for anyone interested.
Aside from the article, and as my personal feelings about PC goes. I can't say there are any positive aspects. Imo, PC is foolishness given authority. It is passing the buck. It is not taking responsibility for ones actions.
Psychodynamics of Political Correctness (http://www.sba.oakland.edu/faculty/schwartz/PCJABS.htm)
Les
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Originally posted by aztec
And now you must resort to name calling to bolster your position.
Very PC and very impressive sir.
I've seen you vehemently calling people out for a response in this thread....how about you respond to this sir.
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Pistols at ten paces.:D
Les
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There is no way that I could say it any better than bustr did. dude knows that this is the difference between PB and manners or even ettiquet... They are all words meaning different things... Only the first is orwellian miond control crap tho. for dude to even -pretend that it is any different is very disapointing and a little scary. It is a look into the mind of a liberal.
"PC is the equivalent of an invisible Communist Politcal Officer in the room at all times. If you are a White male, the Officer is always listening and recording "you". When women, liberals or protected minorities decide to be offended by you, always at their discretion and by secret committe agreement, the Political Officer is the only justification they need for your ruin......................and ruin you they will.
Oh... and the new "paradine" for HR is to play good cop/bad cop with management... they are scum and you should never ever never tell them any more than you absolutely have to.
Manners is agreeing to disagree about he perceived content of your comment or joke and parting ways to avoid further confrontation. PC is finding out that the person who agreed to disagree with you went directly to HR or the ACLU or their lawyer when you get served with harrasment papers walking into work the next day and seeing HR waiting to escort you out of the building with your final paycheck.
If any of you have ever thought that the mandintory "Sexual Harrassment Classes" at your jobs all seem to be in reality indoctrination on "How not to Piss off women for any reason at work and loose your job" you are right. My girlfreind used to be the HR manager for a company I worked at."
lazs
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Well it seems PC to be different to you guys. I have never, nor do I now, live a life controlled by anything PC nor do I fear any entanglment to PC. Not in my work or personnal life.. Perhaps thats why I view PC as more like manners because it has no power over me...
Maybe you guys just live in the wrong part of the country..
and lazs as far as your label goes. .i..
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If you work then PC affects you. If you consume anything then PC makes it cost more. PC mandates worthless classes and programs in the workplace that eat into production. The classes offer no solution... they claim that anything can be costrued as sexual harrasment for instance but if you avoid contact then that is also sexual harassment. orwellian in the extreme with more than a little catch 22 thrown in for good measure.
dude... what label have I used for you?
lazs