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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Creamo on March 29, 2005, 06:02:26 PM
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Truth shall be your savior.
Burn baby, burn.
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If it don't fit, you must .... OH ****!!!
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I bet Nicole and Ron can't wait to see him.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Truth shall be your savior.
Burn baby, burn.
Unfortunately, he didn't understand that having his client convicted in the press or court of public opinion is supposed to be a valid substitute for jurisprudence.
I'm guessing you'd sure like it if we could all vote on unpopular court decisions. Hell, if we could just replace the whole inefficient justice system with a speedy online voting mechanism, we could clean up the streets in no time!
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Don't start on me , I'm in the mood.
He will meet the corpses O.J. butchered in some form in afterlife I am assured.
If you feel scrappy, I'm off till Wed night. Or just stfu.
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LOL
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Why is everyone dogging Johnny?
What is he guilty of? doing his job well?
As a defense lawyer it is his job to get his client off guilty or not.
And he seemed to do a great job of it.
I can tell you this if i was accused of murder he would have been one of the lawyers on my short list.
Now do i believe OJ was guilty? Heck yes I do and that just makes
Johnny that much a better lawyer that he won that case.
Only a fool would punish a man for his excellence in his field.
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He was the Michael Jordan of defense attorneys. Even Creamo would have hired him if he was guilty and had the bucks.
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We must have adequate representation for accused criminals. Without it, our justice system would fail miserably. Do not blame Johnny for doing his job well and thus getting OJ acquitted. Rather, blame the absolute clowns who prosecuted OJ.
Footnote: No, I do not think OJ is innocent.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Only a fool would punish a man for his excellence in his field.
That must be why the people who prosecuted Ted Bundy are fools.
And Jeffery Dahmer.
And Pol Pot.
And Hitler.
And Stalin.
And Machievellia.
And Hamlet's uncle, Claudius.
They are ALL fools.
Just because it's legal that doesn't make it right. Nor does it categorically mean that they aren't fools.
Johnny made his deal with the devil. Looks like he didn't read the fine print about terms.
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i would have hired him and played the "i am a middle 30's white guy being picked on in PC hell card".
:aok
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That must be why the people who prosecuted Ted Bundy are fools.
Drunky, you're way off base, dude. He's saying that it is foolish to think poorly of someone for being good in their field. How does that make the prosecutors you've mentioned fools?
I still can't understand why people got mad at Cochran and not the bumbling prosecutors.
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Originally posted by Drunky
That must be why the people who prosecuted Ted Bundy are fools.
And Jeffery Dahmer.
And Pol Pot.
And Hitler.
And Stalin.
And Machievellia.
And Hamlet's uncle, Claudius.
They are ALL fools.
Just because it's legal that doesn't make it right. Nor does it categorically mean that they aren't fools.
Johnny made his deal with the devil. Looks like he didn't read the fine print about terms.
Did not say anything about the above prosecutors did I?
They like Johnny are very good at what they do so they win alot of cases.
But If you would do some research on how our judicial system works you would then know that a defense lawyer is vital to or freedoms.
Understand I am not looking at this as an emotional thing.
I am looking at it as a professional thing as in how good someone does there job.
Johnny was a very good defense lawyer.
Now I do not agree with his choice of being OJ's lawyer but in America he had that choice and he made it.
Look I don't like Sean Penn but that does not mean I think he is a crappy actor just because I may not agree with his politics.
He is a great actor but in my opinion he is an azzhat.
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Cochran may have been good at being a defense attorney, but defending evil doesn't give you a white wash just because you were good at it.
And Wombatt, none of those people have been prosecuters.
-SW
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Cochran may have been good at being a defense attorney, but defending evil doesn't give you a white wash just because you were good at it.
So, you would have hauled OJ out into a field and shot him without a trial?
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You are going to make assinine statements that do not bear any resemblance to the content of my statement.
-SW
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So, does that mean you think he should have had a trial, with legal representation?
Forgive me, I do not understand people on tilt very well.
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You are a freaking clone of Martlet. Have nothing to contribute but want to dance around asking questions in a sad attempt to corner someone, but in the end it all fails miserably because you mistook the first statement and wanted to turn it into a diatribe of your own about the online persona making the original statement.
You suck at it. Give up now.
-SW
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because you mistook the first statement
Well, instead of blowing a gasket, why don't you take a moment to clarify it for me.
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Have nothing to contribute but want to dance around asking questions
Please, do tell what questions I'm dancing around.
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What I said couldn't be any clearer. You want something, and it isn't clarification.
-SW
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Originally posted by Steve
Please, do tell what questions I'm dancing around.
You aren't, and just as I figured, you haven't been comprehending what I've already laid out.
-SW
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Look Wulfe, you and Creamo both implied that Cochran did something morally wrong by repesenting OJ. As evil as OJ is, he is an American citizen, he was entitled to a defense attorney. How can Cochran be a bad man simply because he ensured a persone received due process?
I'll ask this again: How can you possibly vilify Cochran? He's not to blame for Oj being acquitted, the prosecutors are.
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You aren't, and just as I figured, you haven't been comprehending what I've already laid out
Actually I realized my mistake after I typed it. I didn't want to edit it while you were responding because I feared you'd go farther off the deep end.(I still don't know what has you foaming at the mouth)
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Good riddance....The type of Defense lawyer that gives defense lawyers a bad name....prove anyone innocent for the right amount of cash/publicity
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This thread is insane. Johnnie C. dedicated his life to defending a race of people who have historically been given unfair trials and been unfairly punished in this country. Not only that, he was himself black and highly educated. Not too bad...
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prove anyone innocent for the right amount of cash/publicity
Deleted,.... not really making the point I wanted to.
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I'm not foaming at the mouth, well, I do have a bit of suds around my mouth but thats besides the point.
A person who helps someone commit a crime is called an associate. Associate to murder, associate to armed robbery, etc. Someone who gets someone off for murder, I put them in the category between murderer and associate.
That's my take. He could have turned down the case, he didn't.
-SW
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well boys, we gona give him a fair trial them we gona give him a fair hanging.
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Originally posted by Steve
This is amazing to me.
Such ignorance... just amazing.
Call it what you want..I've looked at it from both sides...and that is my opinion.
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Wulfe, if Cochran had done some kind of dishonest or underhanded thing, used some sort of lame technicality, I'd be with you even though it would be the wrong opinion to have. (all I mean here is that I think everyone is entitled to due process)
Cochran didn't do anything magical, or evil. The prosecutors bungled the case, they are the ones who should be most held in our contempt.
I understand the need to find a villian for the gross injustice of OJ's acquittal. It's just not Cochran... he merely upheld our constitution, albeit for money.
I'm left shaking my head too that someone could represent a monster, but the constitution states:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, .... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law....
Unfortunately, this clearly applies to ALL peoples of our US, even monsters.
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A person who helps someone commit a crime is called an associate
If you mean accessory, I understand your point here.
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Originally posted by Steve
We must have adequate representation for accused criminals. Without it, our justice system would fail miserably. Do not blame Johnny for doing his job well and thus getting OJ acquitted. Rather, blame the absolute clowns who prosecuted OJ.
Footnote: No, I do not think OJ is innocent.
Spot on.
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ASTAC, I apologize. My comment was out of line. I will edit it.
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He willingly chose to defend OJ. Its not about the constitution, or the right to have a lawyer, or to have a fair trial, its that he willingly went on that case for the defense.
Any lawyer that did that defended evil, or a monster, and in the end it won't be good that came of it.
Every decision has a consequence, he made the wrong choice defending the wrong person.
As far as what I meant with associate. An associate is the same as accomplice, someone who is needed and helps willingly. An accessory helps, but is not needed.
-SW
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OJ was innocent. And that Argentenian football player never hit that ball with his hand.
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Originally posted by Steve
Wulfe, if Cochran had done some kind of dishonest or underhanded thing, used some sort of lame technicality, I'd be with you even though it would be the wrong opinion to have. (all I mean here is that I think everyone is entitled to due process)
Cochran didn't do anything magical, or evil. The prosecutors bungled the case, they are the ones who should be most held in our contempt.
Cochran was just a paid bystander. A figure head that sold out for cash.
The prosecuters bungled nothing.
Influence and cold , hard cash is what made the difference. The only friggen difference.
All Cochran did was sell to the highest bidder. Justice had absolutely nothing to do with this case and many others.'
The decision and outcome were in the works before the trial even started. All that needed working out was how much to who.
While this fiasco was going on I heard hundreds if not even thousands comment on the outcome. I probably hear 2, 3 , 5 people max state they were unsure of the outcome. The rest said he would walk. Ex- sports star, actor, lots of cash and friends in high places who had made it public to buddy up to him. Was no other outcome .
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man pissin on a man's grave and he aint even in the ground yet!
The Chewbaca Defense was allways my favorite:)
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The prosecuters bungled nothing.
You have a lot of research to do.
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The Chewbaca Defense was allways my favorite
It does not make sense!
Look at the monkey, look at the silly monkey.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
He was the Michael Jordan of defense attorneys. Even Creamo would have hired him if he was guilty and had the bucks.
You no nothing about me. You show up in any thread that stinks color like you know. What you don't know is I laugh at you. Piss off.
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Originally posted by Steve
You have a lot of research to do.
I have absolutely no research to do. It doesn`t make a rats **** in hell how big of an idiot the investigators or the prosecution was. They were just actors in a prescripted, very predictable play. Cash and fame cinched the deal. The rest was just an embarrassing public display and mockery.
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I tell ya... the world is a much more entertaining place with conspiracy theorists.
research (http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/simpson/index_1.html?sect=7)
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Originally posted by Steve
So, does that mean you think he should have had a trial, with legal representation?
Forgive me, I do not understand people on tilt very well.
Maybe I missed something during the "OJ" trial, it looked to
me as if he was never tried at all, more like the LAPD was on
trial. Sure is a good thing OJ is going to find the people who
committed the crime himself. I mean I suppose it's possible
the fiend could be a golf course grounds keeper.:rolleyes:
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"When Nicole Brown, his second wife, first met him, she had no idea who he was. When the lead prosecutor against him was approached by a LAPD detective for help in getting a search warrant on a property owned by O.J., she asked the police officer, "Who is O.J. Simpson? Phil, I'm sorry, I don't know him."
Gotta love that.
:D
What a load of hockey pucks.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Cochran may have been good at being a defense attorney, but defending evil doesn't give you a white wash just because you were good at it.
And Wombatt, none of those people have been prosecutors.
-SW
Well in the grown up world ... let me see if I can help you understand this.
Those with fame and money can afford to hire the best!
This is what OJ did.
And yes some of the above were prosecuted LOL Dalhmer Ted Bundy .
Or did they just volunteer for the death penalty .
And in our system of equal law for everyone like inosent until proved guilty .
There has to be someone to represent the accused.
And in this case the accused had the money to hire one of the best.
Did Johnny play the race card? LOL heck yea he did and brilliantly I might add.
Think of it this way the majority of America thinks that OJ is guilty as sin.
Heck the victims families even won a civil suite against him.
Now you must admitt it took one smart lawyer to get him off on all counts.
Thats our system even the dirt bag child rapist gets his day in court.
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It doesn`t make a rats **** in hell how big of an idiot the investigators or the prosecution was.
ROFL, I can see discussing this with you is pointless, I simply am not willing to bring you up to speed on how a trial by jury works....
OUT
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Originally posted by SunTracker
This thread is insane. Johnnie C. dedicated his life to defending a race of people who have historically been given unfair trials and been unfairly punished in this country. Not only that, he was himself black and highly educated. Not too bad...
:confused: :confused: dont sniff glue.
If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must aquit. The defense rests.
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For those who don't know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense
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Pooh21, I wouldnt expect you to understand the plight of african americans. After all, my country had to invade your country to stop the worst genocide in the history of the world.
Whether O.J. Simipson killed anybody is besides the point. Mr. Cochran was a very intelligent man, dedicated to defending his client. He followed all the rules, and he beat the system. I would rather 100 guilty men go free, than 1 innocent man be in prison.
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Im American, and a minority to boot, stop oppresing me by invading my country.
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Pooh21, if you are American, please educate yourself.
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Are you implying that as a minority I am uneducated!
I call RACISM!!!:eek:
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Originally posted by Steve
ROFL, I can see discussing this with you is pointless, I simply am not willing to bring you up to speed on how a trial by jury works....
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Nor am I willing to educate you, Stevie boy, on how the world works when it comes to money and fame.
I don`t think you could handle it.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Well in the grown up world ... let me see if I can help you understand this.
Those with fame and money can afford to hire the best!
This is what OJ did.
And yes some of the above were prosecuted LOL Dalhmer Ted Bundy .
Or did they just volunteer for the death penalty .
In the grown up world, prosecutor and prosecuted have two entirely different meanings. You are jeanyus!
-SW
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As my grandfather used to say....
The only place to find a good lawyer is an obituary.
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Originally posted by Creamo
You no nothing about me. You show up in any thread that stinks color like you know. What you don't know is I laugh at you. Piss off.
Nice that we can both get a chuckle out of this.
You no that I know that you no.
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Amazing. A decent defense attorney burned at the stake yet an admitted drug addict is appraised. This board never ceases to amaze me.
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Originally posted by Steve
Wulfe, if Cochran had done some kind of dishonest or underhanded thing, used some sort of lame technicality, I'd be with you even though it would be the wrong opinion to have. (all I mean here is that I think everyone is entitled to due process)
Cochran didn't do anything magical, or evil. The prosecutors bungled the case, they are the ones who should be most held in our contempt.
I understand the need to find a villian for the gross injustice of OJ's acquittal. It's just not Cochran... he merely upheld our constitution, albeit for money.
I'm left shaking my head too that someone could represent a monster, but the constitution states:
Unfortunately, this clearly applies to ALL peoples of our US, even monsters.
He turned the "OJ Trial" into the "Mark Furman" Trial. Good riddance, you have your reckoning to deal with now Johnny.
Karaya
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
In the grown up world, prosecutor and prosecuted have two entirely different meanings. You are jeanyus!
-SW
LOL do you even know what you are typing before your little booger coverd fingers hit the keyboard?
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The prosecutors screwed that case. From the glove to the idiot DNA expert (who lost everyone by trying to explain too much) to cops who didn't realize that what they say reflects on them.
And Judge Ito wasn't strong enought to control his courtroom. He let Chochran and Bailey and the rest turn his court into a sitcom.
The "Dream Team" took what the prosecutors and Ito gave them and ran with it. Just like they were supposed to. I was with 4 other attorneys (back before I was one) when the verdict came down. They all said he'd be found innocent. Because they had seen the mess the trial became. Clark and Darden let that one get away from them. Circumstantial cases are the hardest to win, but they're the ones you have to.
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I do MrBlack, maybe you should read what you typd... or was it a different personality that let his bowels loose on a post?
-SW
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Cash and fame cinched the deal. The rest was just an embarrassing public display and mockery.
YA ya ya... and if O.J. was found guilty, it would have been because he was black.... right?
what a load of BS.
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Was a shock to me to hear about the murders when it first happened. I thought of OJ as the loveable but not-so-bright Nordberg from Naked Gun
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wonder if guilt creates brain tumors...
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Originally posted by Curval
LOLOL....what an irreverent bunch. I love ya all.:rofl
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Originally posted by mosgood
YA ya ya... and if O.J. was found guilty, it would have been because he was black.... right?
what a load of BS.
That is so far out of the ball park it is ridiculous. I think you may have missed a little something there.
There was no way O.J. was going to be found guilty to begin with. That was the point. Everyone made a killing off of this fiasco, pun intended. The least of which was O.J.`s ass.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
That is so far out of the ball park it is ridiculous. I think you may have missed a little something there.
There was no way O.J. was going to be found guilty to begin with. That was the point. Everyone made a killing off of this fiasco, pun intended. The least of which was O.J.`s ass.
Why don't you be a little more specific in what you're saying.
Was the judge in on it? The jury? was the "fix" on?
Just saying "There was no way O.J. was going to be found guilty to begin with." doesn't say ****. BAck this up with whatever it is makes you think this.
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Cochran never got paid for defending O.J.
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According to law of the UK, if a barrister becomes aware that his client is guilty of the charges against him, he may no longer argue a "not guilty" plea on his behalf. While this law has been, and will continue to be abused, it would be nice to have at least the principle functioning in US laws.
While this is not an express law in the USA , there is still a legal requirement that officers of the court "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth." We saw this law utterly eviscerated by Steve Feldman in his defense of Child Killer David Westerfeld who continued to advance a "third party did the killing" scenario despite knowing that his client had killed Danielle Van Dam. How? Because he had been brokering a deal between the DA and Westerfeld to reveal the whereabouts of her body in return for waiving the death penalty. When the body was found by police, the deal fell through and Feldman defended a man he knew to be Denielle's killer as though he was innocent.
It is this kind of cynical, illegal, and immoral behavior, on the part of defense lawyers that has given men like Cochrane, who were willing to do "whatever it takes" to win, a bad name.
Friends, past injustices don't justify present day ones. Didn't your parents ever tell you that "two wrongs don't make a right?"
(yes, yes, I know three lefts make a right)
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You are a freaking clone of Martlet. -SW
Angels and ministers of grace defend us...a clone of Martlett....:rofl
We're doomed :(
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Originally posted by Eagler
wonder if guilt creates brain tumors...
Or Alzheimers :rolleyes:
One has to wonder what someone has to lie about or conceal in order for God to have that person's brain fester and rot from the inside out...
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Originally posted by Jackal1
That is so far out of the ball park it is ridiculous. I think you may have missed a little something there.
There was no way O.J. was going to be found guilty to begin with. That was the point. Everyone made a killing off of this fiasco, pun intended. The least of which was O.J.`s ass.
Cochran and crew did what any good defense team would do if they had the resorces that they had, make the government prove the case and point out any shortcuts or abuses of evidence by the prosecution.
I watched 200+ hours of that trial, and I am of the opinion that he did it, but that means nothing, I wasnt on the jury.
I also saw a lot of lazy/incompetent police work.
You have to force the government to do it properly if the system is going to work
As far as his being found not guilty being a forgone conclusion, ridiculuos.
shamus
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pooh, ignore Suntracker, he is self proclaimed authority on anything he thinks :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mosgood
Why don't you be a little more specific in what you're saying.
Was the judge in on it? The jury? was the "fix" on?
Just saying "There was no way O.J. was going to be found guilty to begin with." doesn't say ****. BAck this up with whatever it is makes you think this.
The jury was shown what they had to make their decision on.
What they were shown was a comedy.
You really believe all these folks , with all that experience, went about this like Laurel and Hardy all of a sudden.
Look at Fuhrman. He came out smelling like a rose. Movie deals, tv deals, books. He`ll be making money from this until he dies.
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Originally posted by Shamus
As far as his being found not guilty being a forgone conclusion, ridiculuos.
shamus
Keep hope alive. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Look at Fuhrman. He came out smelling like a rose. Movie deals, tv deals, books. He`ll be making money from this until he dies.
Fuhrman didn't come out smelling like a rose. He came out smelling like a racist and he wasn't able to make all those deals just because O.J. was on trial. He was able to make those deals because someone thought (correctly) he was marketable because of his specific viewpoints and that some people would be interested in hearing them. Whether to hate him for them or to agree with him.
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Sure. :D