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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: oboe on March 30, 2005, 09:40:33 PM
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How's this look? I reworked my OD Scat II into this one. Thanks to Guppy for finding her...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/81_1112240196_p-38-479th-fg-little-edris-.jpg)
Supposed to be this one:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1111435334_edris1.jpg)
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The profiles and artwork sure vary, and I wouldn't take restored warbird markings as a good example overall as they tend to be too perfect, or totally off :)
Go back to the original thread and look at the boom stripes on the crashed Scat II.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146103
Seems like they are somewhere in between the profile stuff and Oboe's on Little Edris.
Outside of that, it looks great oboe :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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But as it says not all birds were painted the same. Only one of those pics is a restored bird. The other is authentic and the other is a model.
But hey I'll just keep to myself.
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Good eye, Dan. The invasion stripes on the crashed Scat II are a variation I hadn't noticed before - all the stripes tend to be wider than what I have (mine being based on the Osprey profiles) except the leading white stripe (closest to wing), which appears to be only 2/3rds the width of the other stripes. Do you agree?
Is that what you meant? The painting's invasion stripes appear to be all the same width, but wider than the Osprey profiles. But they seem to match the photo better than the Osprey profile though.
One thing I found more difficult in working against a 3/4 view painting versus a profile is that the artist is able to use perspective to do things I can't do - for example - if you notice his tail ID numbers strecthing the width of the tail - there just wasn't a way I could do that using the AmarilloUSAF font - if I made them wide enough to go across the tail, they were too tall - and then if I shortened them, they looked almost comically to wide. In the end I had to compromise and use something that looks believeable, but doesn't match the painting 100%. Mine still look too tall compared to his, but if I match the height, they don't come anywhere near making it across the width of the tail...
Cobra - what are you referring to when you say "it says", and pics of a restored warbird? I can't seem to find the reference to a pic of restoration.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
But as it says not all birds were painted the same. Only one of those pics is a restored bird. The other is authentic and the other is a model.
But hey I'll just keep to myself.
Wasn't taking a shot at you Cobra412. Sorry if it came across that way. The more contributions here the better, and I'd hate to be the reason for you to stop :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by oboe
Good eye, Dan. The invasion stripes on the crashed Scat II are a variation I hadn't noticed before - all the stripes tend to be wider than what I have (mine being based on the Osprey profiles) except the leading white stripe (closest to wing), which appears to be only 2/3rds the width of the other stripes. Do you agree?
Is that what you meant? The painting's invasion stripes appear to be all the same width, but wider than the Osprey profiles. But they seem to match the photo better than the Osprey profile though.
One thing I found more difficult in working against a 3/4 view painting versus a profile is that the artist is able to use perspective to do things I can't do - for example - if you notice his tail ID numbers strecthing the width of the tail - there just wasn't a way I could do that using the AmarilloUSAF font - if I made them wide enough to go across the tail, they were too tall - and then if I shortened them, they looked almost comically to wide. In the end I had to compromise and use something that looks believeable, but doesn't match the painting 100%. Mine still look too tall compared to his, but if I match the height, they don't come anywhere near making it across the width of the tail...
Cobra - what are you referring to when you say "it says", and pics of a restored warbird? I can't seem to find the reference to a pic of restoration.
To be honest I didn't notice the smaller width front D-Day stripe on the boom. I was referring to the starting point on the rear of the tail boom and the ending point towards the front.
Good eye on your part :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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I increased the width of all my stripes (wing and boom) by 15%, which makes them much wider than I'm accustomed to seeing, but it doesn't seem quite wide enough yet going by how far they reach on the boom towards the tail. And if I shave the width of the first white stripe it'll be even more pronounced. The wide stripes just don't look 'right' to me, but I have to admit my only sources have been the Osprey profiles. It does make a mess of things because it screws up the alignment of the radiator housing stripes, and they are depicted at a different scale in the skin .bmp, so it'll be some trial and error to get them lined up again once I get a correct width. But I want to do this right - got any more evidence of the wider stripes on 479th planes? Is that narrower first white stripe a standard?
Also, how'd I do on matching the dark green trim? I couldn't find a published color at skinner's heaven that was even close so I just ended up eyeballing it. First few tries were too blue-green.
The width of the stripes on wing and fuselage are supposed to be the same, right?
btw thanks for your help - and you seem pretty handy with Illustrator - that 4th FG P-51B profile you did was quality work - esp the nose art. My "Little Edris" noseart is lifted from the photos you provided, and colorized, and looks real muddy up close. Any chance you could do a clean Little Edris noseart for me?
Thanks!
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Dan I was going by the painting he was using as his base reference. Yes Scat IIs markings are different and I understand that. The photos I had posted showed the fact that some of the boom schemes extended further back just like the painting he was using to go off of.
One of the drawings I had posted even stated on it that not all schemes extended that far back. Hence why I didn't say anything about the differences between his painting and Scat II.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/556_1112244486_p-38.jpg)
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That is a nice diargram Cobra! Thank you!
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Originally posted by oboe
How's this look? I reworked my OD Scat II into this one. Thanks to Guppy for finding her...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/81_1112240196_p-38-479th-fg-little-edris-.jpg)
Supposed to be this one:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1111435334_edris1.jpg)
Oh man, it's looking really good. Can't wait to be able to use it, thanks Oboe
ack-ack
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its in game now AKAK:aok
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Can't be ingame yet - I haven't sent it in...
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I don't care, yer not getting me out of my Headhunter marked G model! :)
I'll see what I can do in Illustrator about Little Edris Oboe.
Work has buried me lately, but hopefully a couple days off coming up early next week.
Dan/CorkyJr
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If you used Adobe Illustrator to create the P-51B profile noseart you posted, then you have another missed calling, because that work is perfect. Lots of times I'll forgo a skin because I can't produce a decent version of the nose art. In fact, if you put together nose art of "Sad Sack", I'd do one more 38G, just for you! Another 38J I was thinking about was Ben Mason's "Billy Boy" - a natural metal beauty from the 82nd FG. Was featured on the cover of Aviation History a few years back.
Fester is working on a hyperdetailed 38G which is great news, but he's been quiet about what his subject is.
I'll start on fixing Little Edris' invasion stripes this weekend. Thanks for your help!
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OK, I got the boom invasion stripes reworked, and they extend almost to the tail now.
The problem with the 38 skin file is the wings, booms, and radiator housing areas seem to be at different scales, so the correct width of a stripe on one section looks wrong in the other. Lots of fiddling and tweeking and in game inspecting.
Should look awesome in the game at combat distances though!
Guppy, don't knock yourself out trying to get a noseart done for me - what I have is not great but acceptable. When I saw the quality of the noseart you did on the P-51B profile I couldn't resist asking. I understand you're pretty busy with work right now though.
I'm going to put the skin on the shelf and let her cool off, then look her over one more time before submitting her later next week.
It'll be a sharp skin for the 479th guys!
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