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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on March 31, 2005, 03:03:16 AM
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Hitler and Stalin are probably equal candidates. They both were evil and ruthless murderers.
But who else in history would you regard as deserving of eternal damnation?
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GScholz, no qualifiers at all.
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I am.
I rule it .
>;-)
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If you think living in hell is :
*living in manure
*being a porc
*getting killed/rebirth several time per day
I've the comic (la foire aux cochons) :
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/33_1112261923_foirecochon.jpg)
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:rofl
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I'm sorry for the crappy scan but it's the 4th broke scanner I got in less than 3 week
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"If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of Hell, a level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater." -Shepherd Book to Malcolm Reynolds about Mal's new bride.
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I'm in hell...also known as Hampton Roads Virginia (Virginia Beach)
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"Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." - Luke 6:37
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From Sandman, no less. ;)
What he said, Nuke.
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"If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of Hell, a level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater." -Shepherd Book to Malcolm Reynolds about Mal's new bride.
I was just about to break out that quote myself.
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Well, Saddam of course.
And then there's Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe - today seems an appropriate day to bring that up. That guy is a thug and a criminal, and has singlehandedly ruined what was once a prosperous and respectful nation and turned it into an open air slum where half the population is under threat of starvation.
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Whoever it was that stole and stripped my '69 Olds 442
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Originally posted by JimBear
Whoever it was that stole and stripped my '69 Olds 442
There should be a seperate circle of hell for anybody that messes with another man's ride.
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i have a tendancy to believe in hell as the living metaphor rather than an actual place where the soul goes upon dying.
(death in my view is little more than the disintigration of focused energy and matter back into the soup of the universe...which more or less argues that the sum of our parts collectively (our bodies) simply returns itself to inert available matter for the larger sum of the universal part and/or consciousness....but i digress)
in this scenario, heaven, hell, limbo etc. all exist here on earth in stasis within our own perception and experience and do not exist in the postscript of our lives.
the concepts, i believe, are derivitive of the base elements of positive and negative.
further i would suggest that what is hell to one might be heaven to another depending upon the bent of the collective parts that make the person. in other words...to a positive man, hell is a place where a surplus of negativity exists...to a negative man, hell exits in a positive experience.
most religious doctrine is and was used to explain the fundemental workings of the universe in regards to these matters but started from the git go as a way of surpressing one or the other from passing through life without consequence.
who will go to hell?
i would suggest that half of the people on this board are probably already there on one level or another.
some are in heaven.
its a sliding scale of course.
some folks being closer to limbo.
to some in hell it is heaven.
for some in heaven...it is a living hell.
88
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I dont believe in an afterlife of fire and brim stone called hell...
So, no one.. 8)
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Jeffery Dalhmer?
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Pol Pot?
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Hell's a state of mind. I truly believe that. It's totally attainable here on earth, as heaven is.
or maybe a better way is to say the state of happiness or torment that your soul is in while on earth.
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Originally posted by mosgood
Hell's a state of mind. I truly believe that. It's totally attainable here on earth, as heaven is.
A state of mind.
And in my mind Hampton Roads Virginia is Hell...Most sailors are condemned to a life spent here (well at least one tour anyway)
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i always think of that jack nicholsen movie
"the last detail" when i think of sailor hell.
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A student paper discussing hell's properties:
"First, We postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave.
Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. Two options exist:
1. If hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
2. If hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the quote given to me by Theresa Manyan during Freshman year, "that it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you" and take into account the fact that I still have NOT succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then Option 2 cannot be true...Thus, hell is exothermic."
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Very funny, Holden. A pic of Miss Manyan is completely out of the question, I suppose?
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Originally posted by straffo
If you think living in hell is :
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*getting killed/rebirth several time per day
Ummm, like, the MA? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by NUKE
Hitler and Stalin are probably equal candidates. They both were evil and ruthless murderers.
But who else in history would you regard as deserving of eternal damnation?
Next were Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman, of course.
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as long as they repented before they died, they are safe.
Heck Stalin and Hitler prolly play golf with St. Peter.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Ummm, like, the MA? :rolleyes:
Could be :D
(minus being a porc etc )
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Next were Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman, of course.
After that you need to include your sense of humour.
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Originally posted by oboe
Very funny, Holden. A pic of Miss Manyan is completely out of the question, I suppose?
I just knew of the discussion, I did not actually write the paper. However, I would like to think Miss Manyan looked something like this:
(http://www.robertdeutsch.com/pages/people/images/06%20Connelly%20147b.jpg)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I just knew of the discussion, I did not actually write the paper. However, I would like to think Miss Manyan looked something like this:
(http://www.robertdeutsch.com/pages/people/images/06%20Connelly%20147b.jpg)
I was thinking more like Blond, with big breast... in a sweater! yaya yaya
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Who's in hell? We all are...we have two choices here..absolute govenment contol over every aspect of our lives including our deaths....or total anarchy...and the average person is the one that pays the price for whichever way we are leaning.
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Whos in hell?
Dunno.
I will send a postcard though.:cool:
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My sincere hope is that none of you will ever be a position to know for certain...
- SEAGOON
PS: Jesus on Heaven and Hell, their existence and eternality (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-36;%2025:41-46;&version=50;)
Scripture on How to Go to Heaven (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2010:8-13;&version=50;)
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lol
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Saddam and sons, Ivan the Terrible, ghengis kahn, my mother-in-law.
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seagoon, i have to ask, were you like me hesitant to read this thread, for all the obvious reasons?
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It's my understanding that no matter what you do, if you truly and honestly repent and cry for forgiveness with all your heart and not a lick of guile... you get into Heaven.
So, technically, Hitler COULD get into heaven, no matter what he did before that final day, so long as he follows the above formula. One of the many reasons that I am not a christian. That's just so at odds with my concept of justice that the whole idea implodes in on itself, but since I am an adult with a higher standard of evidence then a child (where most of the religious types are indoctrinated), that's not that surprising.
Good day!
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Originally posted by JB73
seagoon, i have to ask, were you like me hesitant to read this thread, for all the obvious reasons?
JB,
Yeah, I saw it and said to myself, "must stay away at all costs" especially because I'm wiped out today. But eventually curiousity got the better of me...
I briefly considered posting a mini-essay on the subject from the biblical point of view, but I just didn't have the energy and the general lack of seriousness convinced me it wouldn't be of much use. So I went for the short and honest approach I knew I'd probably get snorts and flames for what I posted, but what the heck, as a mentor of mine said "As people who care for men's souls if we honestly believe in hell, our greatest desire should be to act as a lighthouse warning others away from it."
So yeah JB, I knew it was going to be taken as so much foolishness but as Paul put it: "we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." (1 Cor. 1:23-25)
Take heart, there's worse things than being a morian,
Seagoon
;)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's my understanding that no matter what you do, if you truly and honestly repent and cry for forgiveness with all your heart and not a lick of guile... you get into Heaven.
So, technically, Hitler COULD get into heaven, no matter what he did before that final day, so long as he follows the above formula. One of the many reasons that I am not a christian. That's just so at odds with my concept of justice that the whole idea implodes in on itself, but since I am an adult with a higher standard of evidence then a child (where most of the religious types are indoctrinated), that's not that surprising.
Good day!
Hi Chairboy,
Actually as a child I was indoctrinated as an anti-theist, but as you pointed out being a child my standards for evidence where fairly low then, so I ate it up.
Just a quick comment, as I've posted before, the teaching of the bible is that while there is no sin so small that it does not qualify as cosmic treason deserving of death, there is no sin so great that God's grace is not greater still. As Romans rather grimly spells it out "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" - so the scriptural question is who will pay for your sins, you in Hell or Christ on the Cross? No sin goes completely unpaid for.
Christianity however, is not merely fire insurance, it is not a case of "I'm gonna live a horrific life giving ample evidence of a heart of stone intending at the end to mumble something about faith in Christ. "
Believing in Christ involves a monumental change, it involves being, as Christ put it in John 3, genethenai anothen literally, "born again." The old and stony heart is removed, and a new one inclined towards God is given. The believer is thus indwellt by the Holy Spirit and the evidence of this profound change comes about in the way he lives, so for instance. David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, following his conversion has shown a profound change in the way he lives, speaks, works, and uses his time. The change is so profound that he acknowledges his guilt and the need for punishment and has thus refused parole on several occasions.
Where before one had an irresistable inclination to sin, evil, and selfishness, the believer will have an increasing inclination towards good works and self-denial.
While there is always the possibility of a deathbed conversion following a life of evil (the Spirit working where and when He wills) they are extremely rare and even fewer of those are genuine. In most cases a man hardened in his evil continues in it to the very end, and he passes on to receive the terrible rewards for his deeds.
In the atheistic system of course, the evil man winks out of existence, and no real justice is ever done.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Seagoon
I briefly considered posting a mini-essay on the subject from the biblical point of view, but I just didn't have the energy and the general lack of seriousness
so true for me so many times LOL
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LOL I have no idea.
Best leave this one up to God.
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Who's in Hell? Those that God deemed deserved it. No one else. Any speculation of its population serves no purpose.
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Originally posted by Toad
From Sandman, no less. ;)
What he said, Nuke.
No less?
Man... next you'll be calling me intolerant. ;)
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Funny, but the quickest way to get to hell is to decide who should be in hell (that "don't judge" thingy).
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Democrats
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Originally posted by JB88
i have a tendancy to believe in hell as the living metaphor rather than an actual place where the soul goes upon dying.
(death in my view is little more than the disintigration of focused energy and matter back into the soup of the universe...which more or less argues that the sum of our parts collectively (our bodies) simply returns itself to inert available matter for the larger sum of the universal part and/or consciousness....but i digress)
in this scenario, heaven, hell, limbo etc. all exist here on earth in stasis within our own perception and experience and do not exist in the postscript of our lives.
the concepts, i believe, are derivitive of the base elements of positive and negative.
further i would suggest that what is hell to one might be heaven to another depending upon the bent of the collective parts that make the person. in other words...to a positive man, hell is a place where a surplus of negativity exists...to a negative man, hell exits in a positive experience.
most religious doctrine is and was used to explain the fundemental workings of the universe in regards to these matters but started from the git go as a way of surpressing one or the other from passing through life without consequence.
who will go to hell?
i would suggest that half of the people on this board are probably already there on one level or another.
some are in heaven.
its a sliding scale of course.
some folks being closer to limbo.
to some in hell it is heaven.
for some in heaven...it is a living hell.
88
Now here we have a prime example of too much education, and someone with too much time on their hands. Get a job dood.
j/k JB. Pretty interesting, actually.;) But I must say, I'm strongly inclined to reiterate what Seagoon said a couple posts up.
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Originally posted by GScholz
What's the qualifiers? Where do you draw the line?
Thank God for Punk rock. A place we can always turn for guidance.
People that are going to hell
By the Vandals
Some people are bad and they don't give a damn -
what they do or who they hurt. -
They go through their lives and don't apologize -
for the **** that they've disturbed. -
But they don't bother me at all cuz I know quite well -
When their lives are over and they've done what they've done -
They're the people that are going to hell -
Some beat their wives or pull out a knife -
and stab a person or two or three -
with no repercussions and no one here can touch them -
and they get away scott free -
But that's not the case you see and I'm glad to tell -
When their lives are over and they've done what they've done -
They're the people that are going to hell -
They will spend eternity cursing all they've done -
faced with karma consequences and nowhere left to run -
They will be in agony until the end of time -
Cuz they were such bellybutton holes while alive -
So try and be nice and to do what's right cuz there will come a day -
When you're faced with your maker and no one here can save you -
No matter what they say. -
And be glad that you were good cuz some don't do so well and -
when their lives are over and they've done what they've done -
They're the people that are going to hell
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Who's in hell? We all are...we have two choices here..absolute govenment contol over every aspect of our lives including our deaths....or total anarchy...and the average person is the one that pays the price for whichever way we are leaning.
Fallacy: False Dilemma
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Also Known as: Black & White Thinking.
Description of False Dilemma
A False Dilemma is a fallacy in which a person uses the following pattern of "reasoning":
Either claim X is true or claim Y is true (when X and Y could both be false).
Claim Y is false.
Therefore claim X is true.
This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because if both claims could be false, then it cannot be inferred that one is true because the other is false. That this is the case is made clear by the following example:
Either 1+1=4 or 1+1=12.
It is not the case that 1+1=4.
Therefore 1+1=12.
In cases in which the two options are, in fact, the only two options, this line of reasoning is not fallacious. For example:
Bill is dead or he is alive.
Bill is not dead.
Therefore Bill is alive.
Examples of False Dilemma
Senator Jill: "We'll have to cut education funding this year."
Senator Bill: "Why?"
Senator Jill: "Well, either we cut the social programs or we live with a huge deficit and we can't live with the deficit."
Bill: "Jill and I both support having prayer in public schools."
Jill: "Hey, I never said that!"
Bill: "You're not an atheist are you Jill?"
"Look, you are going to have to make up your mind. Either you decide that you can afford this stereo, or you decide you are going to do without music for a while."
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/index.html
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Thrawn,
Loved your last post...However I wouldn't call it a total fallacy. This is the path that we seem to be taking. Or at least that is my perception.
Those that wan't big government and those that want no government...the middle of that road keeps shrinking with every big issue that erupts lately...Dividing America like never before..everyone will soon be forced to take a side..but in the end we will all lose. The problem is I think is that instead of voicing our opinions where it matters..we waste too much time in here debating them..I am as guilty as anyone else.