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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dipper on March 31, 2005, 06:04:29 AM
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To get verbal abuse, post yuor toughts on this board I guess.
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What problems? :)
Ren
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gotta love 90 day wonders and their "unique" solutions.
:aok
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Now serving #3001. :D
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You are joking right?
Your somewhere in the pacific where the clock has passed over to 1st of april, right?
Tex
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Originally posted by Dipper
In arcade arena people could have more ammo. All assist could be kills (keep the arcade boys happy), moer relaxed perks maybe, planes spawning 10k going 200mph etc etc.[/B]
is'nt that microsoft combat simulator?
:rolleyes:
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We do..the MA and CT
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Man Beetle hasn't gotten in on this one yet? And then Morph gets to fire back... I can't wait!
:eek:
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You mean a couple of areas something like, say, "Relaxed Realism" and "Full Realism"?
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Yeah!!! that was just like Fighter Ace had...oh wait a minute they haven't had an update in like 3 years and they're about to go out of business......
Perhaps if you add unlimited ammo to air starts that would do the trick!!
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Originally posted by SKJohn
You mean a couple of areas something like, say, "Relaxed Realism" and "Full Realism"?
Yes somthing like that.
Clearly some people dont like people who fly in circles, trying their fancy ACM.
And others get sick of HO after HO only to see the HO'er run away as soon as he loose his E advantage.
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A Fighter Ace player who wants AH to become his next fighter ace?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
We do..the MA and CT
DING DING DING!!!!
WE HAVE A WINNER!
HTC has already implemented this by doing the MA and the CT. There have been several posts about the CT as of late, so shouldn't be too rough finding out about it. I think you will see that these two arenas are comprimises to what you have been proposing here.
Filth, BTW, I love the Pizza guy stuff man, great work! You have a lot of creativity... Mine would have been stick figures (anatomically correct of course) at best. =)
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Hey Dipper,
While your idea does have merrit, change around here is stagnant at best when it pertains to the "realism debate". While I like your Idea of a more contolled enviroment *Cough*night*Cough* with an option for the arcade *Caugh* wind *Caugh* style players to have fun in teir own way. Bottom line is for every good idea the comes about you will always have twice as many negative things being said about your idea. So is short I give you Big Kudos! for your ideas, but do not get too upset if it never comes to pass.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Hey Dipper,
While your idea does have merrit, change around here is stagnant at best. While I like your Idea of a more contolled enviroment *Caugh*night*Caugh* with an option for the arcade *Caugh* wind *Caugh* style players to have fun in teir own way. Bottom line is for every good idea the comes about you will always have twice as many negative things being said about your idea.
So is short I give you Big Kudos! for your ideas, but do not get too upset if it never comes to pass.
Isnt it spelled "cough"?
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Hey Dipper,
While your idea does have merrit, change around here is stagnant at best. While I like your Idea of a more contolled enviroment *Caugh*night*Caugh* with an option for the arcade *Caugh* wind *Caugh* style players to have fun in teir own way. Bottom line is for every good idea the comes about you will always have twice as many negative things being said about your idea.
So is short I give you Big Kudos! for your ideas, but do not get too upset if it never comes to pass.
I'm not quite sure where you are getting the "change around here is stagnant at best" idea. A lot was changed in the new version (AH2). I am not sure how long you have been playing so maybe you haven't been privvy to all of the changes here recently. These changes are big, mind you... ENY Limiter, Bombsight changes, a few new planes/vehicles, fuel porking, base layouts, tons of visual enhancements and many more.
I think folks are getting a little ansy here lately because we had quite a few updates in a short time span, now everyone is chomping at the bit for a new one. Your ideas, as well as Dipper's have been proposed many times before, and that is why you see some of the responses that you have. People here are not trying to be mean, but try to give you a little history as to what was once here and how things were handled in the past.
They aren't bad ideas, and good for you for sharing them, but they both have some negative affects.
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What is the difference betwen offline and CT :confused:
There are more planes to shoot at in offline :lol
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I've only been here a short time but some times this board reminds me of a shampoo bottle (lather rinse repeat).
If you want relaxed realism go somewhere else. It is available in many places other than HT. Otherwise take the time and LEARN to fly.
DaddyAck
While your idea does have merrit
Don't see it. Why reward peeps for their lazyness. As stated a million times here this "game" takes time to learn and get good at. I know it's taking me time and yes it gets frustrating but I sure don't want it to be made easier for me.
Who's gonna go into the relaxed realism arena? Certainly not the good sticks. Therefor it turns into a loser dweeb arena where new peeps go because they think it will be a good place to start out and get turned off on the game becuase of the noskill/losers in there.
Only friendly Icons? You can do that for yourself if you want (alt I). Icons are a help because this IS a sim with the poor depth perception that a computer screen gives you and we all fly the same planes so there is no enemy plane set to recognize friend from foe.
Also, I just don't see the problems in the MA. Yes the are the HO dweeps, the fun nazis, etc... Just learn to deal with it. Some night there are good fights some nights there are not.
For all those who have been here for years you have my simpathies. You have to see these posts appear every few weeks/months stating the same old chit!
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Originally posted by Morpheus
The gheyness of this thread can't even be scaled by my ghey-0-meter. And its a faily large meter. This is ghey of the likes never seen before.
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:rofl
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ah nm
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
...Bottom line is for every good idea the comes about you will always have twice as many negative things being said about your idea...
If twice as many people think an idea is bad than good, then the people who think it is a good idea just might be wrong.
Your agreement with an idea does not prove it's soundness.
BTW, change intrinsically can not be stagnant.
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CHILLOUT
If you have ever read my previous post, I am one whoom champions the cause of realism. I want to see night back in and wind, as well as weather patterns. I also like the realistic flight modeling over the other semi arcade like alternatives out there. When I told him that his idea had meritt, I was refering to the way that when ever a proposal is made to add realism there is a generous amout of complainers. Therefore the separation of the hardcore and the not so hardcore aspect was what deserves merrit, no so much with the arcade style of play.
I hope that made sense :D
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Dipper,
You need a thicker skin. Also, you might try the search button. It's not like this is a brand new game and you are in on the early develpment. Some of these folks have been around here for close to 6 years now and have seen almost ALL of these subjects broached before.
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duh,
I still get kicked. But I make kills where I can, belong to an awesome squad, and love this game. Basically I understand that this game rocks, and that new playes have to pay their dues. However I do not see what is wrong with a sharing of ideas? mean I for example love the MA as is, I merely regret the fact that night and weather are missing. Other thatn that this game rocks. So in short....
Please let us act with all civility and not bash the free flow of ideas from any members of our much beloved comunity, lest we indeed do wish it to become a cold hardend and insincere place to be.
Oh yeah, and smile alittle...
:)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I've had better ideas on the toilet in the morning.
To verify this you can go to Morphonthecancam.com.
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I've had better ideas on the toilet in the morning.
Of course. This is where I do my best thinking... all alone in silence (most of the time except following meals at Taco Bell) with just your thoughts and a pungent yet all to familiar aroma.
Speaking of which, for those who care: I think my diet is working, because as of right now I'm 5 pounds lighter than what I was when I went in for another "thought session" about 10 mins. ago :D
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Thanks Howitzer...they are alot of fun to make. I had 3 ideas in my head pertaining to the online sim pilot. One was the hermit/hero in Vol. 1, where hes in his trailer bedroom, the second idea was my imagining how he would try to pick up chicks claiming to be a fighter jock and impress the wimens in Vol.2, and the 3rd was the bug gunsite idea in Vol. 3.
Im gonna hafta scratch me noggin to think of something else Im afraid. Reading this forum is an excellent inspiration though :)
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I like this idea.
I also like the idea of Jackal holding me tightly while we all sit around a camp fire singing coumbaya.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
I'm not quite sure where you are getting the "change around here is stagnant at best" idea. A lot was changed in the new version (AH2). I am not sure how long you have been playing so maybe you haven't been privvy to all of the changes here recently.
He's basing that on the lack of updates during his current two week free trial.
ack-ack
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Just FYI, Dipper has been playing for .. hmm, I guess it's been over a year now... :) He's changed his game id a couple of times though.
Umm, what was the discussion about now? I like the CT, I've had some good fights most of the times, so it's not anything like flying offline. But this wasn't a CT vs MA thread, was this? ;)
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LOL Morpheus...........Finally made it in. :)
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If you want relaxed realism go somewhere else. It is available in many places other than HT. Otherwise take the time and LEARN to fly.
posted by cliffra jones
i think you just went "somewhere else ;)
AH is the iconic example of relaxed realism.
maybe TOD will change that.
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FR v RR has been done. There was a following of arcade types who didn't want to bother with actually learning tactics or really learning what it is to fly a flight sim air combat game and they had a lot of fun with it. There was also the following of FR types who took great satisfaction with learning tactics and flight skills. They also had a lot of fun with that. Unfortunately, needed changes never really came about. Hence the reponse you hear, "two weeks" to the whine, "when are we gonna see change to this game". The game changed hands a few times until it's final owners decided to discontinue its online arenas.
From a community stand point, in those day, the FR guys held the RR guys in disdain as they were merely going through the motions of fighting. The RR guys thought they were doing great! However, it became common place for FR guys drop in to RR arena to shoot up everyone. It was easy to do because the RR guys lacked any real skills other than pulling 20G's in a loop fight. For the most part the RR guys who were having a great tiime without having to work at it didn't mind too much and FR guys pretty much left the RR guys alone except for the occasional sortie to "club some baby seals".
Enter AH and it's pretty close to the FR those older vets were used to. Those RR guys that had no place to go eventually moved over to AH and learned fly and fight. Pesonally I think these guys have made a great transition to FR and actually enjoy themselves in the game. Also, the owners continuosly make improvements to the game. That's a good thing.
Perhaps the question of RR occasionally arises because some of the old guys who flew RR are just finding AH now and would like to see it like the old days of the other game. Maybe that's what TOD is going to be about? Just about anyone can up and fly a bomber without too much effort and even get hits on the target. Hmmm, not bad! If you all remember the bombing went back to the old way of setting up the nordon. Realism be damned in favor of what the masses want. But maybe its realism be damned in favor of what brings more people into the game? For instance, if you neuter the .50's didn't you just help the newby bomber pilots get to the target much easier and get kills that they would normally have had to work for? Hey, its pure economics so hang in there and you may see RR once again in the TOD. If it wasn't economics we wouldn't be flying here. Which would you prefer?
The real question might be asked, "what happens to the MA when the TOD goes online?" Do all the FR guys lose it or maybe the CT has been left to decay because it's the arena that gets the axe? WHo knows?
Ren
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Originally posted by Sandog
LOL Morpheus...........Finally made it in. :)
And after all this time. :confused:
:D
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i for one enjoy RR, i loved AW RR. it was easy, it was fun and didnt take much to have fun. come home, log on and was having fun. yes, ive come around to FR in AH, sure ive learned a few things, but if there was a decent sim out there with RR, i would prolly do it. as it stands right now tho, AH is in fact the best thing going, FR or RR, dont matter. dont get me wrong, i still have in funAH, otherwise i wouldnt be here. the RR thing was just better for my enjoyment, and isnt that after all, why we play? enjoyment?
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Yes and I would like Auto-Aim too please.
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While it wasn't the best suggestion, congrats on scaring off someone that would have potentially joined the community...+5 bonus points for the hostility in here.
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Originally posted by Dinky2003
While it wasn't the best suggestion, congrats on scaring off someone that would have potentially joined the community...+5 bonus points for the hostility in here.
Hostility? MUAHAHAHAHAHA! You asked a question and got 20 differing opinions. Just as you have yours, so do others. There's no hositlity just discussion.Thanks
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Thanks for proving my point...LOL.
I'm not the original poster.
Additionally, SOME of the "discussion" here was uncalled for, otherwise, why would it have been edited?
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Dang, you guys got brutal! A simple no woulda been enough:p :D
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Originally posted by jodgi
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Pfffft.
That wasn't a flame, it's humour for crying out loud!
Or maybe there are some cultural differences that a euro caveman like me don't understand.
flame...duh
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Any problem of the MA must be dealt in a way which sets a new standard where everyone could reach a compromising point and be more or less content to play in it. The arena should stand as one. Any kind of "solution" that rips people apart and divides groups to form separate arenas, is highly unrecommended.
IMO, separation of arenas means that AH has failed to come up with a compromising point that effectively deals with different types of players on a mutual basis.
IMO, it also means that AH has failed to integrate the huge numbers into a single gameplay format, and thus has no choice but to go the "reverse" course and bring back the "Smallville" days of AH.
Essentially, it means that since AH cannot come up with a real "Massive Multiplayer" game format featuring 500~600 people in a single arena, it will just revert to the old days of small arenas by making 3 small servers with 200 people max --- man, that's just really sad thing to think about.
ps) The DA, TA and SEA is a special type of arena suited for limited purposes, and the CT is more of a small scale 'experimental' arena(which unfortunately seems to be failing)
ps2) The ToD might be fundamentally different, but we'll have to see about that.
There's a chance that the introduction of ToD would in effect, become something like "Arcade arena" and "Sim arena". It's pretty hard to imagine how the numbers might shift around, but if the new ToD becomes a huge success, the ToD might very well become the "main theme" of AH.
But at any rate, ToD and MA is more than just 'sim' and 'arcade' distinction. It wasn't meant to be a solution for the MA problem - it's a totally original project which HT and co. have been thinking for a long time, IIRC.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Essentially, it means that since AH cannot come up with a real "Massive Multiplayer" game format featuring 500~600 people in a single arena, it will just revert to the old days of small arenas by making 3 small servers with 200 people max --- man, that's just really sad thing to think about.
What? Huh? Oh, I get it. :)
There was a time, in a far away land called Air Warrior where a pilot could jump in his trusty steed and fly off the map. In fact, our intrepid pilot could fly so far off the map that he could fly to the WW1 Arena. Heaven save us! :D Imagine the looks on the poor Spad and Dr pilots when they got buzzed and shot down by a P-51D! Whoooo Hooooo!
Back to the present....
I'm not sure I'm understanding just what yer saying about 500-600 folks in the arena. We already have that and except for a few stupid rules about who gets what planes because of the numbers per country it's really working great!
ps2) The ToD might be fundamentally different, but we'll have to see about that.
From everything I've read in the online flt sim mags I agree the jury is out for now on the TOD. We will have to wait and see how it plays out and what's left for those who prefer the current player environment. It's best to hang in and see how it all falls out, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Yes and I would like Auto-Aim too please.
and heat seaking bullets...
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I like this idea.
I also like the idea of Jackal holding me tightly while we all sit around a camp fire singing coumbaya.
You know the words you silver tongued devil you? :D
I can`t make it , but I can send Ru over with some gopher grease. :D
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I do not know why every one knocks the CT! I played in it last night and we had quite a bit of players in it. It was not a large a quad ops but it was cool. We are truing to make it a weekly event. :aok
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Yes and I would like Auto-Aim too please.
lol, i remember the moving pipper thingie in AW, i turned it off at some point. i didnt much care for it, it was more fun without it.