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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ramzey on April 02, 2005, 02:21:11 PM
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I've almost allways been opposed to his view but I respect and admire the man.
All the bells of my town are ringing outside.
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Is that a tit?
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candle. Catholics light those up for those who passed away.
Don't be an *******.
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Originally posted by moot
Is that a tit?
A Pope hat?
edit... oops nevermind. Turns out it's a candle.
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ahem
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I've just heard the news. As a catholic, its very sad news indeed. I had the priviledge of seeing the pope when he came to Ireland in 1979 also I had the greater priviledge of attending an audience in the vatican in 2001 when my sister got married. My sister had a private audience for a short few minutes and those couple of minutes touched her very deeply. She recounts that during the meeting he looked deeply into her deepest soul and that is something she will always remember
Whether you agree with his teachings or not, the depth and sincerity of his convictions are unarguable. He stood for a way of life that in a world full of greed and selfish consumerism didnt sit well with some people. Even so, he had the courage to stand behind his teachings and not give in to the temptation to do what was 'popular'.
For polish people this must be a very sad day. My condolances to you guys but remember you are priviledged to have given the word 'Papa Karol Wojtyla'.
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C'était pas franchement de bon gôut.
Voire même plutôt malvenu vu les circonstances.
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Straffo, Excusez moi, Je comprends les mots mais, je ne comprends pas le sens?
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even though Im not a catholic I think he was a great man.
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Originally posted by Gremlin
Straffo, Excusez moi, Je comprends les mots mais, je ne comprends pas le sens?
I wrote to Moot :
it was bad taste
Especially given the circumstances.
What is extraordinary in this pope is his influence,I have a jewish friend and a muslim friend who said they will pray for him.
I'm not sure this 2 friends will pray for me,that something only this pope have been able to obtain.
You thought it was adressed to you ?
If so sorry it was not my will,I apologise.
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He was a good man who stood for his principles and guided his church with the tools that God gave him to use.
Rest in peace.
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Originally posted by straffo
You thought it was adressed to you ?
If so sorry it was not my will,I apologise.
No I knew it was not addressed to me. I was just curious. Afterwards it occured to me that you were talking to moot.
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This is the same as every other death thread.
The person is dead and there's nothing I can do about it.
Saying I'm sorry or that I thought the person had this or that qualities is hypocrisy imo (not that I consider it hypocritical from others).
If I could say something helpful I would, but I don't know any such thing for this occurence; that is, I don't know anything to type that'd actually resolve what's happened.
I don't believe in (my)prayer, sorry.
And since I didn't know the person myself anymore than, let's say, the avg poster here, I can't pretend to bring anything new to the discussion, so besides this tit err, I never reply to these threads.
The tit question wasn't meant to poke fun at him or his passing away; it was obvious that it wasn't a tit, nor that a tit would make its way into a respectuous post-mortmem post about the pope.
Under the feeble and fake "bait" there was an honest question, but I guess that it's too much for a touchy nerve...
I did appreciate that he spoke to so many populations in their own languages, for what it's worth.
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And considering the circumstances, I'd say it was neglectful to use an ambiguous text symbol without explanation for the incult.
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J. Paul II has been a great Man, beyond being a great Pope; that you might condivide his own, and the Church point of wiew is of less importance in front of the respect everyone has to show for the Man and his suffering in his last hours.
Please, let this thread be a respectful memory of a great Man.
Disputation , jokes and disrespectful attitude can be showed elsewhere, for once
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Originally posted by moot
... I guess tha tit's too much ...
Was that intended, Moot?
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oops
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why is everyone sad, he's with his god ,you christians should rejoice.
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Stegor I think that's disputation and disrespectful of my point of view, since I neither have anything against the Church's nor the Pope's life work, nor did I ever say any such thing.
tho I understand if you've had enough precedents to make hasty conclusions on unread posts.
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moot mine was not a judgement against you , nor others in particular.
My was only a request to let this thread be a memory and a tribute of respect to a great person.
Sorry if I gave you that impression, it was not my intention to deem on something, not the moment at all.
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alright.
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A great man. He probably had more to do with the eventual death of communism than any other single person.
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Did you ask to use my avatar Viper17?
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You'd think you could at least honor him by spelling his name right. XD
Regardless, he will be missed by lots, regardless of religion.
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Originally posted by Dinky2003
You'd think you could at least honor him by spelling his name right. XD
Regardless, he will be missed by lots, regardless of religion.
What spelling is supposed to be the right ?
Jan Paul II
Jean-Paul II
Johannes-Paulus II
Ioannes Paulus II
Juan Pablo II
John Paul II
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Originally posted by straffo
What spelling is supposed to be the right ?
However the Poles spell it...
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Jan Pawel II
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
However the Poles spell it...
Incorrect, he gave up his Polish name when he became Pope. Perhaps the Latin spelling would be most accruate, but I don't think it matters.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Incorrect,...
As he was Polish, however he spelled it would be how the Poles spelled it.
Ashes to ashes dust to dust, he was made of Polish stuff. I was being more figurative than literal.
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I'm not a religious guy but i respected him all the same. He even played his part in defeating communism. He could speak what? 8 langauges? I'm sure he would say his name in which ever langauge was appropriate.
Oh, he was a fan of football too.:)
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Originally posted by Maverick
He was a good man who stood for his principles and guided his church with the tools that God gave him to use.
Rest in peace.
Well said MAvrick well said indeed.
R.I.P John Paul ll
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Originally posted by GScholz
His name was Karol Wojtyla. His papal name was Ioannes Paulus PP. II
Right, that how he signed his encyclical
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I wonder if the body will be on public display. I mean since he is such a famous person.
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Originally posted by joowenn
I wonder if the body will be on public display. I mean since he is such a famous person.
It will be ,it's the tradition the body will be displayed 9 days I think.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
A great man. He probably had more to do with the eventual death of communism than any other single person.
Even more than Ronnie?
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GScholz, i would compare Pope to Ronnie. He was a amature actor in his youth...
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if you are interested, that's how His beloved Cracow said "see you later" to him:
http://www.gimbla.pl/forum/pokoje/viewtopic.php?t=25158
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Hmmm, well, he did good things, but he also let bad issues slide.... things that the Catholic Church did that may in the future be labelled atrocities (the buring of kiddie fiddling cases springs to mind).
I'm 50/50 on him being a "great man" because of this - perhaps if he had been in another religion.... but he had a chance to clean his faith up and he missed it.
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Vulcan,
No leader can be 100% effective on every freaking area of their position. If you want to hold him in contempt for less than perfect effectiveness in everything, that's your problem, not his.
FWIW I hold the American Clergy of the Catholic Church at fault for that particular fiasco far more than a man over 2,000 miles away.
The main way to aleviate that problem is for the clergy involved to realize vows are not "negotiable" nor are they "conditional". Allowing Priests to marry would go a long way to helping as well but it goes against a very fundamentalist belief of the Church.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Vulcan,
No leader can be 100% effective on every freaking area of their position. If you want to hold him in contempt for less than perfect effectiveness in everything, that's your problem, not his.
FWIW I hold the American Clergy of the Catholic Church at fault for that particular fiasco far more than a man over 2,000 miles away.
The main way to aleviate that problem is for the clergy involved to realize vows are not "negotiable" nor are they "conditional". Allowing Priests to marry would go a long way to helping as well but it goes against a very fundamentalist belief of the Church.
Not to tarnish this thread, but Mav, that problem isn't a US problem, its a world wide problem.
That notwithstanding, I believe he was a good man.
R.I.P.