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Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: OIO on April 02, 2005, 06:01:10 PM
Not a flame post or anything, just really curious.


Would flags be lowered to half staff in the US if .. say,  the Dali Lama passed away?

I can understand people lowering their flags to half staff on their own, but the pres. ordered FEDERAL buildings to do so.

In any case, we'll miss ya Pope! !
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: JB88 on April 02, 2005, 06:05:05 PM
the vatican is a sovereign state.   the pope is a head of state.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Gunslinger on April 02, 2005, 06:09:55 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
the vatican is a sovereign state.   the pope is a head of state.


Yup what he said.  It's not about religion or respecting the establishment there of.  The pope is more or less a diplomat....a very big and powerfull one at that.

I myself am happy for the pope.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: OIO on April 02, 2005, 06:26:29 PM
I didnt know he was head of state. Hmm.

Gscholz: no, but it would if it was a head of state that has had such a big impact (in the good way) on the world. Thats why I asked if the same would be done if the Dali Lama passed away.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: JB88 on April 02, 2005, 06:27:52 PM
no, but i think that in this case it was appropriate.  

the pope was generally loved by the american people and made several visits to the states.  

people consider his contributions responsible for a good part of the fall of communism in eastern europe.

he was pretty much a rock star.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: JB88 on April 02, 2005, 06:30:27 PM
i would personally have no problem with the dhali llama being honored with a memorial, however, it would be offensive to the chinese who want tibet to concede all bases are belong to them.

it probably wont happen.  

the pope is considered a western figure or at least a part of the western team, is less contriversial and has a greater following in the u.s.  

(though before kennedy the idea of a catholic as president was ridiculous...weve come a long way in that sense.)

if i am not miistaken,  boosh is a protestant...which i find to be far more intruiging from the religious standpoint.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on April 02, 2005, 06:32:26 PM
Flags went half mast when the Tsunami happened.
-SW
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: eskimo2 on April 02, 2005, 06:36:17 PM
There has been a major disturbance in the force.

eskimo
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Hawklore on April 02, 2005, 08:06:22 PM
The American flag should not fly at half staff it in no-way directly affects the entire american populace.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Nwbie on April 02, 2005, 08:11:53 PM
Wow
Anything else you guys need to argue about lol
You all need some metamucil and a life

NwBie
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Jackal1 on April 02, 2005, 08:25:01 PM
NwBie I will be coming in from Bogata with a load of Metamucil for those in need around 3:00 A.M. if I get the cloud cover I`m looking for down way low.
Ya know, this stuff sure don`t smell like a laxative. Hmmmmm.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Gunslinger on April 02, 2005, 08:43:51 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
The American flag should not fly at half staff it in no-way directly affects the entire american populace.


Neither does any other event that causes the flag to go half staff.  You really need to deprogram all that socialist ideology your teachers are teaching in High School.  When/if you go to college it gets worse and you may end up damaged for good.

There is no way any ONE event affects the "entire American populace"
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Maverick on April 02, 2005, 08:54:41 PM
Hawklore,

Gunslinger said it very succinctly. Just because you do not hold the individual in any high esteem does not mean the head of a very friendly and supportive state is not due state recognition. FWIW other nations have rendered the same curtesy and respect for those BELOW head of state status in this country.

It in no way diminishes the status of the US to render honors to the Pope. It is also not a violation of church and state nor is it any acknowledgement that the Pope led this nation. It is simply recognition of the passing of a head of state and of that man's accomplishments and leadership.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: AmRaaM on April 02, 2005, 09:01:26 PM
find separation of church and state in the constitution....u wont.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Maverick on April 02, 2005, 09:13:14 PM
aamraam,

You won't find a lot in the constitution. It isn't the end document, it's the beginning.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Airhead on April 02, 2005, 10:03:05 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Does the US government fly the flag at half staff everytime a head of state dies?


Yes, unless it's us that has killed him.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Dinky2003 on April 02, 2005, 10:20:47 PM
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Originally posted by AmRaaM
find separation of church and state in the constitution....u wont.


*takes a 10-foot pole, raises it up in the air, and slams it over AmRaaM's head*

Huh, strange.

...

It was hollow.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Maverick on April 02, 2005, 10:44:21 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on April 02, 2005, 10:48:46 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
The American flag should not fly at half staff it in no-way directly affects the entire american populace.


:rolleyes:

Actually, it DOES affect the ENTIRE U.S. populace, and for that matter, the ENTIRE world. If you'd remove your cranium from your rectum and do a little reading on what John Paul II did and said, you might have SOME idea wtf you are talking about. Pope John Paul II was a true world leader, in EVERY sense of the "title".
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: wombatt on April 03, 2005, 01:12:16 AM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
:rolleyes:

Actually, it DOES affect the ENTIRE U.S. populace, and for that matter, the ENTIRE world. If you'd remove your cranium from your rectum and do a little reading on what John Paul II did and said, you might have SOME idea wtf you are talking about. Pope John Paul II was a true world leader, in EVERY sense of the "title".




Right on !!
And he did it without tanks and guns.
RIP JohnPaul ll
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Pongo on April 03, 2005, 01:28:40 AM
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Originally posted by Airhead
Yes, unless it's us that has killed him.


spew...
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Jackal1 on April 03, 2005, 07:30:07 AM
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Originally posted by wombatt
Right on !!
And he did it without tanks and guns.
 


Yea, but you can`t hold that one little thing against him. :D
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Hawklore on April 03, 2005, 02:18:21 PM
-Is satisfied with his catch-

:aok
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Gunslinger on April 03, 2005, 02:22:15 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
-Is satisfied with his catch-

:aok



This young grasshopper learns well.  


The force is strong in him.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Hawklore on April 03, 2005, 02:52:49 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
This young grasshopper learns well.  


The force is strong in him.


:D

It all depends on the president for flying a flag at half staff, and well with pope, I support him on this, after seeing all he did, Im ashamed at myself and how I shrugged off his death..

I guess I already thought of him as dead..
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Gunslinger on April 03, 2005, 03:36:26 PM
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Originally posted by Hawklore
:D

It all depends on the president for flying a flag at half staff, and well with pope, I support him on this, after seeing all he did, Im ashamed at myself and how I shrugged off his death..

I guess I already thought of him as dead..


Now that you have a genuine post:

You really need to deprogram all that socialist ideology your teachers are teaching in High School. When/if you go to college it gets worse and you may end up damaged for good.




;)
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: ASTAC on April 03, 2005, 03:39:38 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Now that you have a genuine post:

You really need to deprogram all that socialist ideology your teachers are teaching in High School. When/if you go to college it gets worse and you may end up damaged for good.




;)


No kidding...the Colleges are the worst...Professors should be there to teach..not advance their political agendas to easily molded young minds. And ANY public school teacher should be fired for voicing any opinion that is not in the curiculum. They are public servants and should know better.
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: DamnedRen on April 03, 2005, 03:46:23 PM
God Bless the Pope! May he Rest in Peace.

If you want to fix the school system, college especially, put an end to Tenure!

________________
Ren
The Damned
Title: Pope dies, flags at half staff.. sep. church and state?
Post by: Hawklore on April 03, 2005, 04:26:10 PM
Shoot, I'll probally get killed in college undermining the professeros and thelling them their wrong..

:D