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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Siaf__csf on April 04, 2005, 01:43:53 AM
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People here make jokes about PETA wars.. Seeing stuff like this makes you realize how they see things.
http://animal.org.pt/fatimalopes.wmv
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I have tried to make every effort to stamp out whatever evil in my life. Yeah, this is disgusting. Brutal. It doesn't feel right.
But tomorrow when I get dressed for work, I'll tie up my leather shoes. And when I get home, I'll microwave up a nice tenderloin. A mans gotta eat.
Still.... it's jarring.
I don't know.
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Have had a horrible day, and somehow got hooked into watching this.
And for some reason that just really pissed me off. I found myself making a very hard fist at the end of that movie. Let the PETA flames ignite, but that isn't right.
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animals are tough. sometimes you think they are dead , but they ain't. it happens.
know a guy that shot a deer. tagged, took it home, called it in. I was there when this part happened. he started skinning it, got 1/4 way down. the dang thing came back to life. like to kick the living crap outta the guy. he ran in house got .22 rifle, ran out shot it again in between the eyes. after that, cut its throat to let it bleed out. making sure it was dead.
like I said animals are tough.
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Yeah but in this case it's calculated, unnecessary cruelty. They won't kill them properly to avoid damaging the hide.
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animals should be killed as humanely as possible. It is just respect.
lazs
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
People here make jokes about PETA wars.. Seeing stuff like this makes you realize how they see things.
http://animal.org.pt/fatimalopes.wmv
PETA "wars"? PETA's lackies couldn't even touch us. "The fallen" from that fun should be hanging on the "Furry Sea Otter" Wall in rememberence of the carnage and personal turmoil we caused in that forum.
Karaya
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what was your position on the Terry Shaivo thing again?
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If you were talking to me.... I never stated my position on the terry whatever thing but... you don't starve humans to death.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you were talking to me.... I never stated my position on the terry whatever thing but... you don't starve humans to death.
lazs
the world doesn't revolve around you. :D I was talking to l'il ms can't be wrong. Siaf
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You could address your question to me then storch.
My position on the schiavo case was that if indeed (I'm not a doctor) her brain damage left her in a vegetative state with no chance of even partial recovery it was a total waste of resources to keep the body alive with no brain inside.
Maybe in the future they could have got a brain donor.. Some really happy one too.. But today it's not an option.
So pulling the plug was the right thing to do - with one exception. Because modern medicine is known to make mistakes her termination should have been done through drugs which would have induced the most pleasant (and even cheap) exit for her. This just to make sure she couldn't suffer even if the doctors were wrong and she could still feel on the primal cortex level.
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It's an animal....who cares
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Originally posted by ASTAC
It's an animal....who cares
Sick man, really sick. Its EXACTLY that attitude that allows **** like this to go on. Being on top of the food chain doesn't give us the right to do that to ANYTHING, animal or not.
If you are going to use an animal for something, fine, but for cod's sake, do it humanely. The human race is really sick.
I'm really sorry I watched that.
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I am all for humanly killing animals.
Problem with peta is that this is not part of their ajenda.
For them any animal killing humane or not is bad. They put animal life equal to human, and that is wrong. Animals are just that. they should be treated as well as posible and slaughtered as humanly as posible. But they are by no means equal to humans in life.
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SICKENING!:mad:
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humans are not animals, right?
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humans: one bright red arse away from obvious.
i remain ever hopeful that any aliens that should ever come our way to take over our planet will kill us humanely.
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EW... was that one animal (no idea what it was) skinned alive? That is sure what it looked like to me.
Nasty **** there.
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Originally posted by Modas
Sick man, really sick. Its EXACTLY that attitude that allows **** like this to go on. Being on top of the food chain doesn't give us the right to do that to ANYTHING, animal or not.
If you are going to use an animal for something, fine, but for cod's sake, do it humanely. The human race is really sick.
I'm really sorry I watched that.
Not sick...just tired about being put-upon by unimportant issues when there are far more important things for us to all get ulcers worrying about.
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Originally posted by Urchin
(no idea what it was)
Pretty sure it was a raccoon.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Not sick...just tired about being put-upon by unimportant issues when there are far more important things for us to all get ulcers worrying about.
Very true. There are many more important issues that need to be solve. I won't disagree.
The attitude, "its just an animal, who cares" is an underlying issue IMO. If we (the human race) can't even do something SIMPLE, like treat animals humanely when we "use" them, how can we expect to solve the "more important" issues?
Its sad that the human race, with all is accomplishments and advancements, still revels in the suffering of another creature.
Can anyone translate the subtitles on the clip?
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I watched that video....pretty sad to see an animal suffer like that. I'd rather kill the person who did that to the raccoon than see the animal suffer like that. Just heart breaking really.
And WTF did they let it live and suffer? To film it??
That being said of my emotions.....I can tell you I have zero problem with fur, meat and whatever animal products. No reason to make the poor creatures suffer like that.
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the moral equivelant of a snuff film.
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I am kind of indifferent on all of this here. I see it as a small problem on the list of things that are out of wack on this rock we spin around on. But I do wonder? How long do you think somthing could live without any skin? Could it live long term? I have always wondered that.
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Originally posted by GScholz
The only answer I can think of: It is staged, directed and filmed for its ... commercial value to the animal rights organizations.
Thats what I was thinking.
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That's not even remotely close to what people have done, and still do, to eachother. It happens all over the globe, during wartime a lot of **** happen and in peacetime people get, tortured, dismembered, murdered every day.
It's sick, only seriously disturbed people can watch films like that one, and not be affected. The only thing that upsets me more than that film is knowing that people do that sort of stuff to other people as well. For sure, some people deserve a bullet in the head, or two. Witnessing such an act would make me want to kill, mankind would be better off without such people.
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Originally posted by Kegger26
I am kind of indifferent on all of this here. I see it as a small problem on the list of things that are out of wack on this rock we spin around on. But I do wonder? How long do you think somthing could live without any skin? Could it live long term? I have always wondered that.
No animal could survive without it's skin for any longer period of time. Body fluid, temperature and obviously infections would be uncontrollable. Inevitable death within a few hours.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I have a few questions: Who is filming? Why are they allowed to film it by the farmers (close-ups of animal torture is bad for business)? It is impractical to skin a live animal that is thrashing about in pain, so why do it when it is so simple to kill them without leaving a mark (poison, strangulation ... here they use electricity)?
The only answer I can think of: It is staged, directed and filmed for its ... commercial value to the animal rights organizations.
My guess is, this is a animal snuff film, filmed by and created for sick minds who enjoy to see animals (or humans for that matter) suffer. The acts seen in the film are unlikely to be supported by whatever corporation that farm those animals. This film could be produced by a animal rights organization though it seems unlikely.
My point is, what is seen here is no different from what you can see in other snuff movies, involving humans getting tortured and killed. It's just that this film has somehow gotten into the hands of a animal rights organization which of course takes advantage of it. If it's the true picture of animal farming? It does seem unlikely.
Just another example how utterly stupid, selfish and sick people can be.
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Ugh..
I can't see how someone could do that..
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Originally posted by ASTAC
It's an animal....who cares
Lots of people.
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The only answer I can think of: It is staged, directed and filmed for its ... commercial value to the animal rights organizations.
Classic example of someone falling victim to the "World is fair" theory.
In order for you to continue believing the World is a fair place (thinking this makes it easier for you to live in it), you justify this horrible animal abuse by saying its a staged and isolated event.
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I want to join that russian group that chase after the trappers and clubbers with AK's and tanks... :D
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Meh...
Highly edited, the video shown in the U.S. includes footage of a fox farm where a dog is heard barking excitedly, a shot of a highly agitated fox (perhaps offered food) surrounded by calm foxes, plus mink on a farm illustrating distressed behavior, perhaps due to unusual activity on the farm out of camera range.
The video includes clips of foxes and raccoon dogs (tanuki), both animals which are also taken from the wild, in a marketplace setting. One man appears wearing a butcher's apron as he quickly kills a raccoon dog. However, another man, wearing street clothes (black leather jacket and pleated black pants) brutally skins alive a raccoon dog that he has hung on the back of a truck (license plate removed). The animal tries to bite the man and struggles aggressively, making the process extremely difficult.
The camera comes in close on a skinned, but still moving animal on a pile of animal carcasses. While the moving animal is covered in blood, showing its heart was pumping during the process, the animals beneath it are clean, proving they were skinned while dead, which, of course, is the standard, normal procedure and the ONLY acceptable one, by humane standards.
Another scene shows a man wearing tattered shoes, hitting a fox on the head with a knife, temporarily stunning but not killing it. He then struggles to skin the obviously alive, moving animal, alternating with beating it with the knife. The animal struggles so much as to make the job impossible, and a shot is seen of the man's shoes on the animal's head.
It is nonsensical to suggest that skinning an animal alive is normal practice since even this film of inhumane behavior proves this process to be difficult and dangerous, and furthermore the pulse of the living animal would cause extensive bleeding and damage to the fur. It is therefore highly likely that these scenes were staged.
The fur industry in Europe requested the original unedited footage from the Swiss animal rights group and was refused. The China Fur Commission and China Leather Industry Association challenged the authenticity of the material, saying: "Pictures showing animals being skinned alive are obviously plotted. All those with common sense would not choose this slaughter method to attain fur."
The media and general public should be highly suspect of this footage and work with the fur industry to determine the true story behind its production.
http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm
Greenpeace, PETA and other such scum of the earth have no issues in faking or making their on videos for the "good of their cause".
I view any such evidence presented with huge amounts of suspicion.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Classic example of someone falling victim to the "World is fair" theory.
In order for you to continue believing the World is a fair place (thinking this makes it easier for you to live in it), you justify this horrible animal abuse by saying its a staged and isolated event.
Read above.
People who trade in fur or meat for a living are rarely sadistic nutcases, Greenpeace and PETA however have not shortage of a complete fruitcakes in their ranks who would not bat an eyelad in doing this sort of thing for their cause.
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i really doubt that there are alot of them but then...you might be willing to concede that there are radical and fringe elements in all causes which people are passionate about.
i could easilly replace the word pro-lifer or republican as easilly as i could tree hugger or liberal.
about as plausible as saying that the republicans planned 9/11 as a way of capturing power.
sounds pretty silly right?
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Meh...
http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm
Greenpeace, PETA and other such scum of the earth have no issues in faking or making their on videos for the "good of their cause".
I view any such evidence presented with huge amounts of suspicion.
Well if the fur commission says fur isn't obtained by such brutal methods, it must be true... sorry but that source is every bit as suspect as PETA.
The original video is from the Taiwanese RSPCA I think. Up to you to decide how credible they are. Having seen what the mainlanders do to moon bears, and chickens, it doesn't seem that out of place: being humane to animals is rather a Western cultural belief, that holds very little sway out in Western China. I'm all for it, myself, but Zhang San there doesn't care a hoot.
here's the link: http://www.east.org.tw/16/link7.htm (http://www.east.org.tw/16/link7.htm) The English one is at the bottom.
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I'm sure these groups would have no problem hurting a few animals to make a video they can use...Groups like PETA are just as bad as terrorists. In fact PETA is the ligitimate front for a domestic terrorist group called the Earth Liberation Front. Known for destroying property to get their message across. I'm sure this group that put this video out is about the same.
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I could care less about the whole PETA 'crusade', they are beyond any rational discussion and will never be happy until we are all wearing cotton and eating tofu.
That said, what worries me is that abuse and cruelty to animals has been linked to abuse towards fellow human beings as well, as if they are using animals to quell their thirst for sadism.
If that film doesn't bother you at all, do the human race a favor and at least stay away from children.
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Im not going to watch it. Everytome my curiosity gets me to peek, Im disgusted and sad I did.
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animals should be killed as humanely as possible. It is just respect.
Yep and domesticated preferably
I could never kill a man but when i see those guys clubbing it boils me really.