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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 68DevilM on April 04, 2005, 07:07:28 AM
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ever up from a cv because you see dar incomeing to sink it?, and you usually assume that it is some sort of bomber or attack aircraft, and it turns out to be a bunch of la7's, comeing in to try and sink a carrier.
whats up with that?
there are alot better planes for that type of sortie.
must have been a bunch of newbies....
flame off:D
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Each time you see a LaLa expect the following:
The only thing you can ever exepct is that the pilot will run at the sight of a potato gun. Other then that dont ever expect the pilots actions to make any sence at all.
Tex
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To quote Heretic: LA7s make baby Jesus cry.
I think I would have just circled and waited for the ack to shoot them all down, then land the proxies. :D
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LOL
Last week I watched a fight of 5 Lala CV busters come in level at about 500 ft on a straight path for a CV. BOOM..BOOM..BOOM..BOOM...BOOM . Game over. Please deposti 25 cents. :D
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Originally posted by Howitzer
To quote Heretic: LA7s make baby Jesus cry.
I think I would have just circled and waited for the ack to shoot them all down, then land the proxies. :D
no you know what they did do when i tryed to engadge them, first pass hoe attempt, second hoe attempt, third hoe attempt, i was amazed at the lack of imagination these guys had.
PERK THE LALA'S
make em work for thier food:D
the fastest prop plane in the set under 10k and its free?:confused:
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
no you know what they did do when i tryed to engadge them, first pass hoe attempt, second hoe attempt, third hoe attempt, i was amazed at the lack of imagination these guys had.
PERK THE LALA'S
make em work for thier food:D
the fastest prop plane in the set under 10k and its free?:confused:
What an interesting segway into the never-ending make ya wanna puke perk the La-7 whine.
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ROFLMFAO Slap. But seriously not flying the LA7 is just one of my 3 or 4 concessions to the crybabies in the game....but it's still funny.:)
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la7's
who need em...ohh wait i guess someone does.
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Did I just witness people who man indestructible five inch guns actually complain about... La7s?
Now I've seen it all.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Did I just witness people who man indestructible five inch guns actually complain about... La7s?
Now I've seen it all.
-- Todd/Leviathn
:lol
Indeed.
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WTF is a 5 inch gun?
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Originally posted by aztec
WTF is a 5 inch gun?
It's the Lost Ark of the Covenant of Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Scuse me...thought this was a flight sim.
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Originally posted by aztec
Scuse me...thought this was a flight sim.
And that... was a metaphor.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Pardon my ignorance...and god knows it's broad, but please enlighten me to this metaphor oh great one.
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
PERK THE LALA'S
make em work for thier food:D
the fastest prop plane in the set under 10k and its free?:confused:
Why penalize the plane because the pilots fly like clueless idiots?
ack-ack
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Why indeed...it was good enough to perk the C-Hog.
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do like NASCAR, put a restrictor plate on the lala7
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All this whining about perking the La7 is starting to border on the idiotic. Don't blame the plane for the inabilities of the pilot flying it. It only does what you tell it to do, last time I checked it couldn't think for itself.
I guess if the La7 is too much plane for you guys to handle, maybe some training is in order?
ack-ack
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Ivan Kozhedub had 62 kills in WWII. He had 35 kills in the La-5FN and 17 in the La-7. The plane is good in the hands of a capable stick (can think of 10-12 off hand).
Now why in the hell you'd be complaining that people are using La-7's to dive bomb CV's is beyond my (and others) comprehension? Hop in a Bofors mount and pick them off.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Jackal1
LOL
Last week I watched a fight of 5 Lala CV busters come in level at about 500 ft on a straight path for a CV. BOOM..BOOM..BOOM..BOOM...BOOM . Game over. Please deposti 25 cents. :D
kinda funny cause i flew an LA7 from one base across the stretch of water to the other side to get troops and boom.. boom.. boom.. (puffy ack). and a line of dots leaving a carrier.. i never realize that killing f4u and f6f would be so easy.... does everyone just let there plane auto climb off the CV?
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I fear no plane, i just lose bladder control when i know a great pilot is in the area, all this bickering about uber planes is rediculouse, and probably one of the worst things about the MA community, having an open plane set leads to alot of "my dad can beat up your dad" mindsets.
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Im never afraid of Lala's. Except when flown by Shane... or any other pilot that knows what that thing is capable of. But then, they whip me whatever they fly.... so: Perk the pilots??
Whats next? Perk the Hurricane?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Im never afraid of Lala's. Except when flown by Shane... or any other pilot that knows what that thing is capable of. But then, they whip me whatever they fly.... so: Perk the pilots??
Whats next? Perk the Hurricane?
Absolutely, at least, the HurriC. That thing has 4!!!!! Cannons, and can outturn a Spit! It's too Uber not to be perked!
;-)
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All these la7 whines around i figured the 190 was due its turn. At least the la7 is a base defense plane due to its so called " limited range" The 190 (d model in particular) is the favorite choice of most of the professional vulchers (sorry..base supressors) and refuse to engage in almost all situations. The spectacular 5 mile extended loops over the runway are my personal favorite.I was blown away when mandoble actually used an ACM and blasted me a few days ago (great lag roll btw
) Leave the la7 alone its an invaluable tool to counter these annoying pilots.
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Originally posted by aztec
Pardon my ignorance...and god knows it's broad, but please enlighten me to this metaphor oh great one.
"The Bible speaks of the Ark leveling mountains and laying waste in entire regions. An Army that carries the Ark before it... is invincible."
And so goes the five inch gun. Instead of shooting head-exploding angels of death and Nazi-exterminating lightning, it shoots pinpoint ack rounds at enemies without any danger to allies, and about the only realistic way to destroy it is to sink the carrier upon which it resides. I'm guessing that the ack blasts cause a few exploding heads too come to think of it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I usually take a Val for fighter sweeps and vulching a capped base, is that wrong?
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Hey now, leave my much beloved 190A-8 outta this here debate! :) Oh...yeah and Lalas as a whole are pesky, but they do not pose significant threat to perk them. I mean I am not the best but I can acoid them most of the time. :aok
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Originally posted by aztec
Why indeed...it was good enough to perk the C-Hog.
Does the La7:
(1) Take off from carriers as well as fields
(2) Carry drop tanks for extended range
(3) Carry thousands of pounds of bombs and rockets
(4) Sport four 20mm Hispano cannons
(5) Carry hundreds upon hundreds of cannon rounds
The F4U-1C is a far more versatile plane than the La7; it can attack from more bases, at greater range, with more effectiveness. Would you fear a gaggle of high La7s more than a gaggle of high F4U-1Cs? What about if you're trying to defend a base?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by jaxxo
All these la7 whines around i figured the 190 was due its turn. At least the la7 is a base defense plane due to its so called " limited range" The 190 (d model in particular) is the favorite choice of most of the professional vulchers (sorry..base supressors) and refuse to engage in almost all situations. The spectacular 5 mile extended loops over the runway are my personal favorite.I was blown away when mandoble actually used an ACM and blasted me a few days ago (great lag roll btw ) Leave the la7 alone its an invaluable tool to counter these annoying pilots.
I happen to enjoy sticking with Spits and turning with them in the A-8, especially when they explode.
Karaya
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That is certianly food for thought:rolleyes:
Ultimately no matter what plane or tactic, there will always be some one whoom rather than learn how to counter it will fuss and moan about how it is unfair to them. In my humble opinion, live and let die man. :cool: Do not try to force every one to fly one plane with only one tactic. That is no fun indeed. :rolleyes:
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LOLH,
You guys are all wraped up in the LA7 BS and missing the real problem.
Carriers are way to easy to kill.
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Originally posted by mars01
LOLH,
You guys are all wraped up in the LA7 BS and missing the real problem.
Carriers are way to easy to kill.
Real life--one bomb hit on a cv deck will disrupt flight operations for a time, a time which is variable, of course.
Real life carrier sinkings and ord used:
Shokaku, 1944, 3 torpedos (6000 AH pounds) *
Ark Royal, 1943, 1 torpedo (2000 AH pounds) *
Akagi, 1942, 2-3 bombs (1000-1500 AH pounds) *
Hiryu, 1942, 4 bombs (2000 AH pounds) *
Hornet, 1943, 13 (count 'em) torpedos (26000 AH pounds) *
Yorktown, 1942, 3 bombs +2 torps (5500 AH pounds) *
But note that NOT ONE of these ships sank immediately. It took from several hours to several days to finally sink, and in some cases more damage was needed. However, each of these ships was effectively put out of the fight permanently by the initial damage. Late in the war, when the USN had facilities and equipment to salvage severely damaged ships, repairs to them took several months.
8000 pounds in AH is a compromise, and seems balanced to me.
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Yeah hubert and in real life after I killed you, you would be dead.:rolleyes:
Real life does not apply to game play, thank god HT understands this.
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This thread is Gay. Everyone knows the right way to sink CVs is to fire 1 to 2 second bursts from a Yak or SpitV. Why waste a perfectly good lala :confused:
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what about that one CV in ww2 that wouldnt sink a few jap planes flew into it and the fire set some stuff off one guy said he stoped counting the explosions after i think it was somewhere in the 60 range then they didnt want to leave it tere so cruser lobed a few shells into it to sink it so they left the next day a jap sub found it and put some torps in it and it sunk
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Would you fear a gaggle of high La7s more than a gaggle of high F4U-1Cs?
-- Todd/Leviathn
No more no less. To me they're just another adversary.
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Originally posted by mars01
Yeah hubert and in real life after I killed you, you would be dead.:rolleyes:
Real life does not apply to game play, thank god HT understands this.
Well, I see your reading skills haven't improved. I believe I said,
"8000 pounds in AH is a compromise, and seems balanced to me "
Now, if (and that's a big if) you had a suggestion as to exactly how to change the way CVs work, someone might listen. As it stands, you're just repeating a slight variation on the "strat is too easy to destroy and it ruins my furball and ack is too good and nobody will fight me ho weenies are evil and I am the UberPilot" whine. I score you a 1.5 for originality and a .20 for content. The Ukranian judge scored you even lower.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
what about that one CV in ww2 that wouldnt sink a few jap planes flew into it and the fire set some stuff off one guy said he stoped counting the explosions after i think it was somewhere in the 60 range then they didnt want to leave it tere so cruser lobed a few shells into it to sink it so they left the next day a jap sub found it and put some torps in it and it sunk
Someone's period key is broken ... :eek:
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Well, I see your reading skills haven't improved. I believe I said,
"8000 pounds in AH is a compromise, and seems balanced to me "
Now, if (and that's a big if) you had a suggestion as to exactly how to change the way CVs work, someone might listen. As it stands, you're just repeating a slight variation on the "strat is too easy to destroy and it ruins my furball and ack is too good and nobody will fight me ho weenies are evil and I am the UberPilot" whine. I score you a 1.5 for originality and a .20 for content. The Ukranian judge scored you even lower.
I see you ignorance hasn't improved either. Go back under your rock Hubert. Carriers are too soft, most people with half a brain know this. If you broke away from your horde you might find it out for yourself.
Someone is listening, you, genius. Your moronic comparison to real life is what is really stupid. Don't worry if carriers were toughened up you could still fly around hiding amonst your fifty friendlies.
The poundage doesn't mean a thing if the carriers are not affective, which they are not.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Someone's period key is broken ... :eek:
im not shane i dont have periods:rofl
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perk the spit 5 :p
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Carriers are too soft, most people with half a brain know this.
And yet, the total ordnance required to kill the CV remains unchanged despite numerous suggestions, which, under your logic, implies that HT has less than a half brain?
ps) btw, maybe carriers are ineffective because people don't know how to use them. Are you sure you, know how to use them?
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Originally posted by Kweassa
ps) btw, maybe carriers are ineffective because people don't know how to use them. Are you sure you, know how to use them?
[sarcasm]Kwe, the correct way to use a carrier IS to drive it as close as possible to the coastline next to an enemy base and leave it there, even after you've given up attempting to capture the base you were "attacking"[/sarcasm]
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[sarcasm] Right, Mako... I think it's obvious to everyone that 'retreating' the CV is what only ack-huggers and 2-bit cowards would do. A really skilled L33T vet would never do such a thing. He would up a (usually disadvantaged in performance) CV-based plane and fight with the most powerful land-based planes even against bad odds, and keep on fighting, until the CV is sunk. Since the CV keeps on sinking when you fight like that, it could only mean that the CV is too damned weak! [/sarcasm]
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Originally posted by Kweassa
[sarcasm] Right, Mako... I think it's obvious to everyone that 'retreating' the CV is what only ack-huggers and 2-bit cowards would do. A really skilled L33T vet would never do such a thing. He would up a (usually disadvantaged in performance) CV-based plane and fight with the most powerful land-based planes even against bad odds, and keep on fighting, until the CV is sunk. Since the CV keeps on sinking when you fight like that, it could only mean that the CV is too damned weak! [/sarcasm]
Any time you can sink a carrier via machine gun fire and light cannons, something smells. You could strafe an Essex class CV with every Bf 110 in the Luftwaffe and not affect its water tight integrity one iota. In Aces High, you can sink a CV with several 110s.... To sink a ship you must degrade the hull integrity below the waterline. That's not possible with the popguns mounted in fighters. Another fact: No aircraft carrier was ever sunk by heavy bombers. I can't find a single instance where a major surface ship underway was sunk by heavy bombers. It's too damn hard to hit a moving target. But, not in Aces High where we have a super-simple, super-accurate laser designating bombsight that that can put a bombload on a single hanger from 30,000 feet. In the real world, getting 20% of your bombs within 1,000 yards of the target was considered exceptional. CV damage is over-simplfied, being cumulative, but disregarding effectiveness of the weapons. With the current damage system, you could sink a CV with a .45 cal pistol assuming you had an inexhaustable supply of ammunition.
Having spent several years flying off of carriers for a living, I could write a 10 page essay on what's not right with the game regarding ships and carrier ops.
For example, the CV turns, and any aircraft rolling on the deck will continue straight, as if the deck was some magical frictionless material delivered to earth by aliens. We have arresting wires that will slingshot aircraft off the rear of the flight deck. Our CVs don't roll or pitch. There's no burble of turbulance off of the CV's superstructure. The total number of anti-aircraft guns is only a fraction of what were installed on a CV. When a CV turns, it spends several minutes zig-zagging back and forth while the escorts reform. In the real world, the CV turns to a new course and only the escorts maneuver to regain their assigned stations.
Sorry, but the CV ops aspect of the game is pure arcade.....Worse that the GV aspect, and that's saying something.
My regards,
Widewing
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Not sure if it counts as heavies sinking capital ships but the
Japanese did sink the Repulse and Prince of Wales with level
bombers. I believe they were Nells, but don't quote me on that.
The Japanese heavies were considered in the medium class
by the allies.
Then there were the Tirpitz attacks by the Lancasters..
admittedly it wasn't moving at the time.
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Eaxactly Widewing!!
And yet, the total ordnance required to kill the CV remains unchanged despite numerous suggestions, which, under your logic, implies that HT has less than a half brain?
ps) btw, maybe carriers are ineffective because people don't know how to use them. Are you sure you, know how to use them?
Huh huh, duh yeah Kweassa, I'm saying HT has less than huh half a brain aaaaaa duhhhhh. Stupid! :rolleyes:
Nice try Kweassa, I see Long Drawn Out Post Anonymous is paying off for you.:D
Ok so since the majority of the toolshedders just drive CVs up to the base, because A) they are morons, B) they have to use the guns, C) they have to get close enough for troops... Does not mean there is not a problem with the ineffectiveness of carriers in direct result to them being too soft. Again nice try. Personally you didn't use enough smoke and could have used one or two more mirrors. lolh
To follow your logic even further, do you honestly think that once the enemy has spotted a CV, even if you back it out, they are not going to find it. Pleeeeeaaaaaasssseeeeee. You act like the map's seas are vast like IRL. They are not. As soon as the base starts flashing and all people see are carrier planes the jig is up the bombers are out and you can count the minutes no matter what you do with the CV till it is dead.
And I’m sure you can’t see how ludicrous it is that someone can up 3 buffs and dive bomb the CV and drop it with pinpoint accuracy. Yeah that’s not out of balance.
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Originally posted by mars01
And I’m sure you can’t see how ludicrous it is that someone can up 3 buffs and dive bomb the CV and drop it with pinpoint accuracy. Yeah that’s not out of balance.
3 buffs? why waste the pretty planes? Strafe it with 202s. Hmmm, maybe I should set up a sink CV with 202s mission tonite? wonder how manu runs it would take.
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3 buffs? why waste the pretty planes? Strafe it with 202s. Hmmm, maybe I should set up a sink CV with 202s mission tonite? wonder how manu runs it would take.
LOLH - Three buffs for guys that hate a challenge. LOLH.
Yeah I'm with you man. The whole strafe a carrier get the kill thing is completely wrong and kills carrier game play. But no they aren't too soft hahaha Looks at Kwe :rolleyes:
Again most of this goes back to guys that don't want fun, long, challenging fights and guys that do. If I didn't want to fight for bases then I would also want cities to be easily suppressed and captured, carriers to be completely neutered and useless, airplane factories so I could stop the other team from being able to fly any planes etc. :rofl
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I don't know guys,every time i use la7 i kill more than one plane,too bad it's very hard to land those kils couse if la7 in sight everyone tryes to shoot lala first and then deal with others.
I don't believe anybody who said that he's not afraid of la7.
Just wait till i master it...................
Best regards
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KGB
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Originally posted by ATA
I don't believe anybody who said that he's not afraid of la7.
I'm certainly not affraid of an La-7. Admittedly my KD against them isn't much to brag about, but La-7 v. Yak-9U fights are my absolute favorite.
-Sik
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Only afreaid of Spits. Proly because of the people that fly them
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I'm afraid of pairs of high Knight A20's flying in close formation. :)
<...runs away screaming like a little girl...>
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Originally posted by Grits
I'm afraid of pairs of high Knight A20's flying in close formation. :)
<...runs away screaming like a little girl...>
You are talking about Bullz and Cobia38, I love killing those guys! :D
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Fear The Hellcat and P-40!!!!
I fear no plane. I'll fight anyone anytime no matter what advantage you have
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Originally posted by Wadke
Fear The Hellcat and P-40!!!!
I fear no plane. I'll fight anyone anytime no matter what advantage you have
P40 sucks!
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I fear em all! :D Especially when I can't lose em in one or two jinks lolh
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Originally posted by mars01
I see you ignorance hasn't improved either. Go back under your rock Hubert. Carriers are too soft, most people with half a brain know this. If you broke away from your horde you might find it out for yourself.
Someone is listening, you, genius. Your moronic comparison to real life is what is really stupid. Don't worry if carriers were toughened up you could still fly around hiding amonst your fifty friendlies.
The poundage doesn't mean a thing if the carriers are not affective, which they are not.
Were you abused as a child? Perhaps mistreated by your schoolmates? Why haven't you made it past the "trenchcoat mafia" stage of life and realized that other people can have legitimate opinions, too? Do you feel threatened by that concept? Does it touch your lack of self esteem?
Get hold of yourself, man. You need to harness and master the anger inside. Perhaps you should seek professional help.
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Originally posted by mars01
I fear em all! :D Especially when I can't lose em in one or two jinks lolh
I have no problems losing anyone. Event the best when they are d200. My biggest problem is that they don't seem to lose me :lol
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Originally posted by rshubert
Were you abused as a child? Perhaps mistreated by your schoolmates? Why haven't you made it past the "trenchcoat mafia" stage of life and realized that other people can have legitimate opinions, too? Do you feel threatened by that concept? Does it touch your lack of self esteem?
Get hold of yourself, man. You need to harness and master the anger inside. Perhaps you should seek professional help.
I touched my "lack of self esteem" once. Then I grew hair on my palms, and I purchased a "seeing eye dog".
Nevertheless, it didn't stop me from touching it again. :aok
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LOL Ded
Were you abused as a child? Perhaps mistreated by your schoolmates? Why haven't you made it past the "trenchcoat mafia" stage of life and realized that other people can have legitimate opinions, too? Do you feel threatened by that concept? Does it touch your lack of self esteem?
Hubert your such a douch. Your the one that started with your wise arse BS, then I feed it back to you and you whimper. Go away dude. lolh
LOLH HOW.
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There is no shame in loosing to better pilot even if he's(she) an sweethunk:lol