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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on April 04, 2005, 03:05:57 PM
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http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=32267
Internet Explorer 7, due out this summer, requires SP2 to function and in September of next year Microsoft will stop supporting SP1.
so they are going to force us to use something uncompatible with known programs?
microsoft get's more and more ugly as time passes, it so sux we are forced to use them
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What does not work with SP2?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What does not work with SP2?
from the article:
Microsoft has set up a web site listing compatibility issues
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Who still uses internet explorer ? pfffft
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Who forces you to use their products?
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i dont care about that, it's the whole forcing us to install SP2, when everyone here pretty much has been hosed installing it.
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Originally posted by JimBear
Who forces you to use their products?
can't play AH without it
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Originally posted by JB73
can't play AH without it
Hows that work ?
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can you play aces High on a non-microsoft windoze operating system?
in fact can you play 90% of the games or use at least 1/2 the software on the market on a non-microsoft windoze operating system?
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I run SP2 on everything, work systems home systems Etc. Have no problems with anything.
There is nothing new in this MS always stops supporting old versions. Every company does the same thing. Will you be upset when they drop support for 98 and ME as well?(have they done this yet? )
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Originally posted by JB73
can you play aces High on a non-microsoft windoze operating system?
in fact can you play 90% of the games or use at least 1/2 the software on the market on a non-microsoft windoze operating system?
Is that Microsoft's fault? Who makes that game software?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I run SP2 on everything, work systems home systems Etc. Have no problems with anything.
Ditto.
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Nice try NUKE. When anothre operating system garners the market share Windows has, I am sure you will see a lot more application support for it.
So to answer the question properly. The user is the reason Aces High has to run on Windows. They spoke with their computer and operating system purchases.
The user is also why MS has a stranglehold on the market.
Them's the reality.
SP2 only FUBAR's system which were/are badly in need of a reformat and reinstallation. Or things that were poorly written to begin with.
And yes GTo, MS has dropped support for 98 and ME.
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As of right now XP is pretty good, best OS they have ever done.
I fear the new stuff coming from them though. I dont want to have to download O/S chunks on the fly from MS.
Maybe they wont follow through though.
WHOOOOO HOOOOOO may they die the misrable death they deserve!! (98 was not so bad for its time but DAMN ME was BAD)
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Skuzzy, all true. But to blame Microsoft is in no way remotely accurate.
I remember when the Amiga (sp) came out......nothing compaired to it.....not even close.
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People blame Microsoft, because to admit the truth, they would have to be pissed at themselves. Back to that 'accepting responsibility for your actions' kind of thing.
Next remark, 'what choice do we have?'.
And so on.
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As far as the what choice do we have...well unless you build your own..or go way out of your way...in just about all your retail stores (where most computers are purchased) PC's come with windows...
Personally I've never had a problem with it..though I prefer Firefox and Thunderbird for browser and Mail apps..but thats just my preference since without having to use many tools..they aren't really targeted much right now.
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The thing is... most people are not able to operate or maintain a computer even on a basic level. At least MS is kinda user friendly to these people.
If Linux, which is FREE, was as user friendly as Windows you'd see Windows out.
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It's all Bush's fault!
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Maybe, but you would need some big system makers to push it, like Dell and or Gateway.
Most users prolly have no idea there is a choice or even what an O/S does lol.
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running SP2, no problems
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I still remember when my box was under OS/2 to make devellopement for Windows 3+ :D
As of right now XP is pretty good, best OS they have ever done.
Was about time !
And I don't consider it's truly a MS product ... didn't hired almost all brains availlable in the industrie to make it ?
hmmm ?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
People blame Microsoft, because to admit the truth, they would have to be pissed at themselves. Back to that 'accepting responsibility for your actions' kind of thing.
Next remark, 'what choice do we have?'.
And so on.
my own actions aside, i know unless i become a programmer, and develop my own game to run on linux or something i should not complain....
what botheres me about this article i linked to is how microsoft is basically "forcing" (for lack of a better word) SP2 on the public, when they still "somewhat" support win98 (last i checked)
what is the urgent rush to make the world use SP2? i mean look at all the holes reported in the news it has, and imagine the either non-reported or not known yet.
right from the get-go all i have heard is what a terrible dissapointment SP2 has been, and how it has been flawed from the begining.
i know how to administer my own system, and should be fine, but i have had 3 squaddies put in SP2 and have nothing but problems to the point they had to re-format, one (JB18) IIRC is in communication with you trying to resolv getting AH to run.
alot of theses guys who have had problems with SP2 are either tech savy, or have good access to tech savy people.
with all the changes SP2 makes to the system, imagine the confusion with some grandma who goes to check her email from her grandson, to find IE wont let her online, and she has to "install" something.
i have seen situations like that too many times to say MS has no responsibility. they make products that forces the user to do what they (MS) wants.
if i buy a riding lawnmower, and disengage the blade to drive down the country road to a neighbors should my mower stop and ejector seat me off, saying it is an illegal operation?
i know, extreme example, but thats the "control" it seems microsoft is trying to take over our PC lives lately, that is what irks me.
yes i can use firefox and the like, personally i hate the firefox interface though, and i can't go to the AH expanded stats anyway.
oh well rant off, just random thoughts.. i give up discussing the evil conglomarate / monopoly the is microsoft.
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There is nothing friendly about Windows. It is the most obscure and convoluted operating system ever devised.
There is no such thing as an 'intuitive' or 'user-friendly' operating system. And do not tell me it is easier than so and so.
It all depends on what you have learned or were taught. I find UNIX to be far friendlier and easier to use than any Windows system ever created.
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Yeah Skuzzy...you feel that way because you know what's up. Try to give a Unix system to an average dipchit and ask them to install even one program.
Windows is consumer friendly.
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JB73
They are pushing SP2 because it is the latest version. SP1 had just as many holes if not more.
It's the way they have always done things, there is nothing new here.
If you call support from almost any company one of the first things they are going to ask is what version their software is, if you are not on the latest, they send you to get it. Many will send you to get SP2 as well.
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The only thing MS supports concerning 98 is IE6.x and that is it. Official support for it was dropped around 10/2004, along with ME.
Let me be clear on something, so there is no doubt. I detest and am jealous of the monopoly they enjoy. They took advantage of all the ignorant people they could (unfortunately, most of them are in a position of power in our government) and managed to create this wonderful monopoly.
However, if it were not for the ignorant users, the MS plan would have failed. You will hear many argue MS did a good thing by taking control of the OS marketplace and forcing every programmer on the planet to adhere to the MS way of doing things.
You will hear for others that monopolies, such as this one, have not stymied advancements in technolgies. Of course, if the only advances you care about are from MS, then great! I cannot imagine being in better hands.
You will hear without MS forging the fortress of steel they have surrounded us with, everything would be in disarray. Yes, we are talking about cats sleeping with dogs, fire, and brimstone kind of stuff.
MS saved us from ourselves. By stomping on the would be advancements of others, and squashing innovation through buying it or dragging it through a courtroom, they have managed to take control of the marketplace and keep it under their thumbs.
So 73, the next time you want to go off on MS, you better give it some more thought. Without them lauding baseball bats over the heads of innovators, just think of where we might be today.
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huh?/
SP1 sp2?
service packs?
im using sp1..
i dont give a crap about this stuff..I want my computer to do what i want..when i want..pretty simple
Make my game play..thats all
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LOL and in comes the typical user!
:D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Let me be clear on something, so there is no doubt. I detest and am jealous of the monopoly they enjoy. They took advantage of all the ignorant people they could (unfortunately, most of them are in a position of power in our government) and managed to create this wonderful monopoly.
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They took advantage of a market. Ignorant people? Most are in a position of power??
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Oh geez NUKE. Long story. Very long. It all started when I was sitting in a meeting at Tandy and in walks this kid wanting to sell us something called 'Basic'.
I sat in on a lot of those types of meetings. I have also partied a bit with Mr. Gates.
I'll give hime this. He always knew how to have fun at Comdex/Vegas.
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Skuzzy, did the business plan express the desire to exploit ignorant people?
The fact is that MS is probably the most user friendly os out there. Mac is the same, but they fugged up by being proprietary.
UNIX, Linux, FreeBDS.....none of that stuff will ever be on average Joe's computer.
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A good marketing plan always exploits the ignorant. It is by design if you want to be successful.
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Consumers are who decides if a marketing plan will pan out. MS is where it is because they made a product consumers can use.
It's funny.....free OS's can't even dent the market. Why do you think that is?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
A good marketing plan always exploits the ignorant. It is by design if you want to be successful.
Must be why AH has been so popular among this group.
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Nope. In the computer industry the marketing drives the consumer as the consumer is a dolt when it comes to technology.
They buy what they have been convinced to buy.
MS is where it is as it did a great job convincing everyone it had what was needed and then it locked OEM's up so they could not offer anything other option.
Free OS's have no cohesive marketing plan.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Nope. In the computer industry the marketing drives the consumer as the consumer is a dolt when it comes to technology.
They buy what they have been convinced to buy.
really?? How do you explain free OS's ?
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Nope NUKE the succes of window(c) is not marketing nor technologies it's in the locking of the Computer maker like Compaq etc ...
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Originally posted by straffo
Nope NUKE the succes of window(c) is not marketing nor technologies it's in the locking of the Computer maker like Compaq etc ...
MS started from nothing. MAC had all the market at the time
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MS-DOS is older than MacOS.
Plus during a long time Compaq and other company were forced to sign agreement with MS (otherwise no MS OS for them one year ;))
And this agreement expliclitly force those company to sell a MS OS with each PC,whatever wanted the user.
In the late 80 begin of 90 there was competion for PC OSes like GEM OS by Digital research or OS/2 by IBM.
None was available on big seller PC maker (except OS/2 but only IBM PC)
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Straffo is quite right. MS locked in the OEM's so they could not offer anything else.
However, Straffo, MS-DOS was not out before the original Mac was. The original Mac shipped around the same time as the Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I. The only thing MS had, at that time, was 'Basic'.
I added to my original post NUKE about why free OS's are not mopping up the market.
Straffo, marketing was exactly why MS was able to lock the OEM's into the agreements they did. Marketing to the OEM's. I sat in those meetings.
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Originally posted by straffo
MS-DOS is older than MacOS.
Plus during a long time Compaq and other company were forced to sign agreement with MS (otherwise no MS OS for them one year ;))
In what way were the "forced" to sign an agreement ????
the market is what made MS.
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MAC killed themselves by making everything propryitary.
you must buy mac os, mac cpu, mac printer, mac software, etc, etc, and you will pay a premium price for the privlige. apple now admits they over priced everything.
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And again, it was marketing that pushed the OEM's into signing those agreements.
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Skuzzy, you have to admit that MS fills a market need that no other company has to offer, even for free.
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Skuzzy you're thinking of the Lisa ?
By marketing I thought of marketing for the customer and not marketing for victim of the Peter Principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
And again, it was marketing that pushed the OEM's into signing those agreements.
MAC decided to be propietary. How would the consumer computer world be if they had won?
MAC had it all, then lost because they were greedy........how ironic.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Skuzzy, you have to admit that MS fills a market need that no other company has to offer, even for free.
Wrong I can work all day long and I've worked all day long with system not having a single line of code from MS.
Who would buy a QNX system with a MS code line inside :D
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Originally posted by straffo
Wrong I can work all day long and I've worked all day long with system not having a single line of code from MS.
Who would buy a QNX system with a MS code line inside :D
Then why do people buy MS when other OS's are free?
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Originally posted by NUKE
MAC decided to be propietary. How would the consumer computer world be if they had won?
MAC had it all, then lost because they were greedy........how
ironic.
back in the old days, i would go to the software store and they would have IBM(win), tandy, comadore, mac, half the store would have software for the IBM(win) OS. the coaders wrote for the big market.
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Ignorance NUKE.
Straffo, Lisa came along way after the original Mac. The original Mac had the GUI frontend, but came way ahead of MS-DOS. MS-DOS came along when IBM shipped its first PC.
I can dig up the exact dates as I have all that at home.
MS killed off the competition through buyouts and when that did not work, litigation. There have been viable options along the way, but each time they get close to inking any kind of contract with an OEM, they get crushed by MS's attorney's and bank account.
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A: they dont know anything else is out there.
B: if they do they dont think it will offer the same features/usability.
C: They do not think they are tech savy enought to install them.
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Because it's bundled with their PC.
And because 95% of the user have trouble with basic task on their computer you change the picture on their desktop and they start crying.
How can they install an other OS without knowing the basic mecanism of a computer ?
Each day thousand of computer are given to complete newbie ,imaging if we do the same for cars ?
How many kill it will give ?
My mother anyway is pretty happy of her linux (debian) box but I'm the one making the administrative task.
Under XP she had to many trouble as tons of software are coded by ****** who don't know how to code.
Ex : Why the hell a Webcam software had to be started with administrator privileges ?
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Like I said GTo, ignorance. :D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Ignorance NUKE.
no way Skuzzy.
MAC was more expensive and propietory. People were not ignorant, they chose value like they always do. No product in the history of man is successfull because the company "fooled" people into buying.
Back then, MAC was the only popular choice, but they blew it. MAC was the best and the most popular of the time.
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What two weeks of computer sale history was the mac more popular then the PC?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What two weeks of computer sale history was the mac mor popular then the PC?
MAC was way more popular.....
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I was referring to your question about the free OS's NUKE.
Apple priced themselves out of the market. They also wanted to remained a closed operation. This forced the world to look for other alternatives. They made a bad business decision.
Apple had a good piece of the market (they were around before the PC came into being so they had a good controlling interest in the market), but those numbers were tainted by all the educational institutions Apple donated computers to.
Once that started drying up, Apple's share started a slow drop, which has only recently gone up due to the iPod (go figure they actually add that to computer sales).
During Apple's peak, Radio Shack stilll outsold them.
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When?
I would be floored if you could find a singlemonth were macs out sold PCs(of all types).
Heck after my apple two died we went with a PC and DOS cause apple boned schools with the BS apples for schools deal(IE givng most schools apple 2s, after the dropped support for them) and macs sucked cause you could not upgrade, AND, most software retailers in the area were already dropping apple titles cause they didnt sell.
by 92, egghead had a one rack apple section lol.
hell even OS/2 from IBM had 3 racks!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
When?
I would be floored if you could find a singlemonth were macs out sold PCs(of all types).
really? PC's didn't even exist when Apples were selling like hot cakes.
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GTo, you have to go back before the PC existed to find where Apple was selling really well. Even after the PC started shipping Apple was still doing well.
Apple made several key mistakes along the way which cost them marketshare. The ill-fated 'Lisa' was pretty much the death blow to Apple's growth.
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If you talking APPLE2 computers then sure, if your are talking Macs, then your wrong, as the Mac was taking off, PCs were around.
(there may have been a few months were the very first mac hit the market, I am not all that up on dates, but when both the basic PC and the MAC were around I bet the mac never came close in sales. )
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GTO, the Apple Mac started shipping around the same time as the Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I (1979). When I refer to PC's, I am talking about the era introduced when IBM shipped the first PC, which was several years later.
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Skuz
What was the liza?
I loved my apple 2C.
I wanted to get another apple tell I found out how few games the Mac had.
What was between the apple 2 series and the Mac? It was shortlived, can't recall the name.
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The Mac is that old??
I though that was the apple 2 area?
I thought the first macintosh was like 84?
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The 'Lisa' was introduced by a major SuperBowl ad campaign in 1984. The ad campaign was inspired by the book '1984' with some lunatic running down an aisle towards a huge talking head on a screen and smashing the screen with a hammer (Olympic type).
No one knows what the Lisa was supposed to be as the few that shipped went into terminal PMS mode.
EDIT: Ok, I am using Mac as a generic term for all Apple computers. Yes, the I, II, and IIC all predated the PC and the MacIntosh came in around the same time as the IBM PC (1983 I think).
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I heard that reason PC's are so prevalent today is because IBM didn't patent ISA technology.
MS got in the door with their OS and here we are.
Imagine what the computer landscape would be like today if IBM has stayed proprietary like Apple.
Amiga was so advanced in sound and color, we might all still be typing on Commodores.
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Are we confusing each other here?
Mac history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Macintosh)
This site says the first MAC shipped in 84?
Was there no PC then?
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IBM not only did not patent ISA, they published the complete engineering specification. When they did the MicroChannel architecture (damn nice bus design), they also publiched the engineering specs, but required licensing, which killed the bus and all hopes of IBM staying number one in the PC industry.
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Ok then yeah the I II and 3 were the early ones, and sure ok they out sold the competitors, but by the time the REAL mac, PCs were around.
Now who sold better in 84 through 90?
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GTO, I will have to look when I get home, but I believe the IBM PC came out in 1983. Hmmm,..I thought the original MacIntosh pre-dated the Lisa, which came out in 1984....maybe 85.
84-90 the PC, but in 84, Apple did, and maybe in 85 too, but again, there were a ton of educational give-aways to inflate those numbers from Apple.
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hmm did apple blow it on pricing through the 80s and 90s?
I remeber wanted a mac, but my dad thought you got more for you money from a PC, macs were to pricey and not upgradable in any way.
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"The Macintosh was officially introduced and went on sale on January 24th, 1984, for a price of $2,495.00."
WoW
Look at that price, what was a PC going for??
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
When they did the MicroChannel architecture (damn nice bus design), they also publiched the engineering specs, but required licensing, which killed the bus and all hopes of IBM staying number one in the PC industry.
Yeah, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free.
I remember working on a IBM PS2. Fine hardware design but forget about replacing anything with cheap parts. Absolutly everthing was proprietary.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
The Mac is that old??
I though that was the apple 2 area?
I thought the first macintosh was like 84?
The apple was around beofore 1979.
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well but the MAC, an apple product was not. Their earlier computers were.
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Remember :
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Microsoft_Windows_1_01_screen.gif)
Plus I heard was buggy like hell (never used 1.0 myself)
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Internet explorer sucks, microsoft sucks, windows sucks, and microsoft's alleged "support" for said sucking windows sucks. I would never even consider using a PC for something other than gaming and "acquiring" media. Microsoft has been spending their money on marketing instead of R & D since their inception, and have consistently put out an inferior product.
My advice? Buy a Mac. Even a Mac Mini... can upgrade it to a G4 fairly easily relatively cheap. The entire time I've used a Mac, do you know what the only thing that has ever crashed is? Microsoft Word.
By the way... what possible reason could there be to use IE over firefox? Even if IE 7.0 does something better than firefox, it won't for long. Firefox will just upgrade and continue to be better than anything microsoft puts out.
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Anyway back to SP2, go ahead and install it everything will work fine. You will have to do it anyway. I would bet that the next generation of DirectX will require SP2. As far as IE goes I have to use it to check scores on the HTC website cause there is no mozilla support, other than that I use Fire Fox for all my browsing.
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Back in the day, our squadron (SBM: Nash, Scoob, Hedgehog, Storm, etc.) were all Macs.
Used to be a phenomenal pain in the bellybutton trying to fly head to head with Graphsim F-18.
One by one, we all jumped over to PC. I can't speak for the rest of the guys, but the reason to go to PC wasn't software. It was hardware. To upgrade a Mac, usually meant buying a new one. Even with the old 133mhz PC, you could make great gains in performance just by upgrading a video card or adding RAM or even changing out the processor. Try changing your processor on a Mac. Can you do that yet?
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Originally posted by Sandman
...Try changing your processor on a Mac. Can you do that yet?
You could do it since at least the 7500 (about '95).
I also had on hell of a time hooking up with the SBM's for a little Hornet fun. I can't remember who I used to irc with trying to get that damn thing to work.
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Damn... memory is slipping... I did change the CPU on a Performa 636. Took it up from 33 MHz to 66 Mhz... it used both chips though, and there was a control panel to select the one you wanted to use. Damn thing cost me $600.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What does not work with SP2?
One of my friends have noteebook whitch get Blue dead after installing SP2 ...
And she is not the only one around me....
However Bill make it easier to migrate to *nix or open solaris for us.
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Originally posted by straffo
Remember :
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Microsoft_Windows_1_01_screen.gif)
Plus I heard was buggy like hell (never used 1.0 myself)
at that time i were still afraid of the dark ... sorry :D
+ It were made by IBM, silly billy just bought it .... he were programmer at that time...... I DID READ :D
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first version of windows I actually used was 3.0 I think...before that did all computer work in MS-DOS..but I was young at the time.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Then why do people buy MS when other OS's are free?
coz they think that if they gonna pay for something, they will get something value.
And there is not lovely advetisment with big smilling idiot and freaking **** on the BB belong highway, on other OS's
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Where can I get Linux for free...they see it for about 75 bucks in the Navy Exchange...I forget what version...I have enogh hard drives in this machine I can run about 3 OS's if I wanted.:D
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Where can I get Linux for free...they see it for about 75 bucks in the Navy Exchange...I forget what version...I have enogh hard drives in this machine I can run about 3 OS's if I wanted.:D
Download it http://www.debian.org/
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Thanx! Looks complicated to install(I'm better with hardware than software)...but when I get the time I'll give it a shot.
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Originally posted by straffo
Download it http://www.debian.org/
straffo my dear friend ....
come on debian sux ... gentoo rulEZ :D :D :D
even Xbox run on gentoo :cool:
geeeeeeenttttttoooooooooooooo ooo
damm im nerd(http://www.gentoo.org/images/poster.jpg)
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Thanx! Looks complicated to install(I'm better with hardware than software)...but when I get the time I'll give it a shot.
feel free to try mandrake for example ... IMO its easier to install that windows xp
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Thanx again guys..will see whats up with those
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Originally posted by lada
straffo my dear friend ....
come on debian sux ... gentoo rulEZ :D :D :D
even Xbox run on gentoo :cool:
geeeeeeenttttttoooooooooooooo ooo
You know I still remember when the slackware was THE distrib :D
(there was none else :))
And no I prefer my old debian :p
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ok ok ... because you are my friend i will not be nasty now...
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what colour did you pick for your coffin ? :D
man if everybody were like you, .......... ummm...... we would live on the trees :D
edit: just compiling 2.6.11 on my desktop on the background :P
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ah crap... I did already rollback on the SP2, just because the first problem I ran into, was problems running Flight Simulator 2004 smoothly.
After 15 minutes there was obviously something wrong.. after 30 minutes it was unplayable. Horrible loading all the time and even the terrain didn't load up anymore.
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I still prefer Slackware. It is the only distro of Linux, I am aware of, which has kept the traditional UNIX directory hierarchy.
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I've had similar problems with some games/programs.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Then why do people buy MS when other OS's are free?
Because to be compatible with everyone else, at this time, we have to use MS products. On the day I can run AH on my linux box, and import and export excel and word documents seamlessly I will never touch Windoze again. The only reason "free" OS's have not developed to the same extent is (as Skuzzy said) lack of marketing. There ARE computers being sold nowadays that ship exclusively with versions of Linux. Have been for the last 4 or 5 years. And the GUI is just as good as anything Windoze has or has had. Also, look at the legal action Gates and Co. have taken over the last decade to try to derail Linux. They know it's eventually going to be a fierce competitor, and have tried very hard to prevent it from happening.
The main problems are lack of support for hardware, games, and MS Office. The reason hardware companies dont write drivers comparable with the MS ones for Linux is lack of numbers, and they wont get the numbers until we have more compatibility. Vicious circle. But its slowly coming around to the Linux side. The fact that big business servers have started using it more helps. Star Office just cant compete with MS Office in quality yet though. And the documents dont switch back and forth easily. Emulators have problems all their own, and decrease the performance of the machine. 3D gaming on Linux is close to making the quality/performance breakthrough, and before 2010 is upon us I'm betting you will see stiff competition beginning for Mr. Gates.
Neverwinter Nights shipped a Linux version, although it did take longer. But if big names like Atari were willing to work with Linux, its a step in the right direction.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I still prefer Slackware. It is the only distro of Linux, I am aware of, which has kept the traditional UNIX directory hierarchy.
AMEN
Though I do have versions of Mandrake, Debian and RedHat. SHHHH!!
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
On the day I can run AH on my linux box, and import and export excel and word documents seamlessly I will never touch Windoze again.
ever here of open office? Go to http://www.openoffice.org for your free, MS compatible version of MS Office.
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There have to be a few thousand people among the billions in the world who would like nothing better than to surf the internet, check their email and run Aces High - on a Linux box assembled and deliverd to their house with Aces High, a browser and email client installed.
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Originally posted by Rolex
There have to be a few thousand people among the billions in the world who would like nothing better than to surf the internet, check their email and run Aces High - on a Linux box assembled and deliverd to their house with Aces High, a browser and email client installed.
add me to that group.
sorry for the late response, but Skuzzy, am i to gather from my derogatory comments towards microsoft that im ignorant?
because i dont run some flavor of linux, that can't run AH?
all i care about on the internet is AH, email, web, and the occasional download.... add a few humorus animations posted by AH BBS people.
am i mistaken that your response:
Ignorance NUKE.
is a response to NUKE's comment:
Then why do people buy MS when other OS's are free?
if that is the case, i bought Win XP to run AH as stable as possible
why am "i" the consumer ignorant? heck if i didn't have windoze i still today wouldn't be ab;e to see my expanded stats in AH
i am truly sorry, but i am confused by your comments, and not sure what your recomendation is.
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Originally posted by NUKE
ever here of open office? Go to http://www.openoffice.org for your free, MS compatible version of MS Office.
I have a version actually. It's not nearly as functional as I need (yet) although yes, it is ALMOST completely compatible. I use Excel alot at work, and transfer files between work and home quite often. My Excel files sometimes get garbled when I try to convert them (say app. about 5% of the time). I like the interface better on the Star setup, but the compatibility is even less. I HAVE recently managed to get my Palm III working on Linux now, so I can hotsync it without windows. One step closer. :)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I run SP2 on everything, work systems home systems Etc. Have no problems with anything.
Me three.
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Wine, wine, wine......................... . (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98192&highlight=linux)
I really don't know much at all about computers compared to many of the people here, but I've been learning slowly, surely, and as hard as possible on myself over the last 5 years. Most of my knowledge has come from either posts made on this site, or links that I got off of it.
That incident with the hammer and the sound card still makes me laugh:D It worked, for a couple of weeks at least.
I found this (https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2) site tonight from a link in another thread here. It helped quite a bit with security information and settings. This (http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20011204S0009) is the site that I got the link to it from. Lots of good information there too. I spent about 2 1/2 hours reading and changing settings tonight, resulting in a completely secure port rating from the probes that Shields Up performs, not to mention a boost in my connection times.
I use Firefox and Thunderbird exclusively, except for the AH scorepages, which I really don't check anymore. The security issues with MS turned me off about a year ago after fighting spy/adware everyday, over and over again. A user friendly alternative operating system that eliminated many of the issues that MS has would get my money.
And thanks to everyone for all the tips, pointers, links and info over the years. I've almost figured out how to turn this damn thing on and off:p
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Originally posted by NUKE
ever here of open office? Go to http://www.openoffice.org for your free, MS compatible version of MS Office.
hehe problem is when you open document with 200+ pages.
Things work like this ... OO release full version, whitch can import, export MS w/o problem.... few weeks later MS release Hotfix for MS Office and compactibility is history.
Even XML. Whole world were expecting that XML will be finaly some normalized data format... but upss.... Microsoft`s Super mega cool Office 2003 SUPPORT XML ( in the meaning XML by microsoft whitch is not compactible with world wide XML format)
The day when they will stop doing sutch things, 30-40% costumers will migrate asap.
Anyway im happy user of OO on all platforms :)
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Originally posted by JB73
heck if i didn't have windoze i still today wouldn't be ab;e to see my expanded stats in AH
Do you mean those IE stats only ?
It works well in every browser, all you have to do is just to disable Java scripting
edit [that advise has been given to me by ZkuSSynator in the past ] :D
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Thanx! Looks complicated to install(I'm better with hardware than software)...but when I get the time I'll give it a shot.
If you need something easy to install try
Fedora Core 3 (http://fedora.redhat.com/)
It has allmost all you need.
I use it and I've dropped Windows (accept at work :( )
Also I have found if you read (I mean really read) the instructions you will not have any problems with installing any linux system.
I remember that first time I've installed Debian system (4-5 years ago), I've succeed from first time not knowing anything about Unix/Linux.
Debain is very good system - take Sage Debian 3.1 - that is latest and it will be much more stable that any version of MS stuff. It seems to know little more to install it but I hadn't had any problems with installing it.
Is Linux user friendly?
Yes even more then Windows in lots of fields...
KDE or Gnome I'd prefer over MS Explorer in their lots of good little things that they do well and that I miss in explorer.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
SP2 only FUBAR's system which were/are badly in need of a reformat and reinstallation. Or things that were poorly written to begin with.
Hehe. Systems that badly need reformat and reinstallation. A truly Windows remedy. An operating system that needs reformat and reinstallation periodically to operate properly.
Here is the list of apps that MS admits doesn't work on its wonderful SP2: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2)
Terror
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Originally posted by Terror
Hehe. Systems that badly need reformat and reinstallation. A truly Windows remedy. An operating system that needs reformat and reinstallation periodically to operate properly.
Here is the list of apps that MS admits doesn't work on its wonderful SP2: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2)
Terror
HA HA HA..Their own Virtual Machine doesn't work right.....
However, I have installed ZoneAlarm since I upgraded to SP2 and had none of the problems they listed with ZA.
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Many of the problem applications are effected only in the 64bit version of Windows, and not the 32 bit version ASTAC.
Yes Terror, and that is why Windows OS's should not be called operating systems, as they run like applications, and not a true operating system.
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I'll be honest....I like windows..I'd like to branch out and try some others....Honestly I don't know what everyones problem with MS is...So the guy was a dick and forcwe others out of business...or bought them out then crushed or stole their ideas..HELLO this is free enterprise..capitalism..free market...it all equals survival of the fittest...now if MS TRULY became the ONLY os..then I'd call "monoploy" and unfair.
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The use of unfair trade practices is not what "free enterprise" is all about. Free enterprise is all about competition and allowing competition to foster through innovation and hard work.
MS gets away with its unfair trade practices simply because they have more money than the government does. They can buy anything they need or want and remain free from persecution or prosecution in the U.S.
The times anyone, including state and local governments, has tried to handle MS in the court room, resulted in a sad display of ineptitude on the part of the prosecutors.