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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on April 06, 2005, 04:40:37 PM
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Tough... you're going to get it anyway.
http://www.ebcvg.com/articles.php?id=670
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Ok guess I have to get involved and install it.....what does sp2 change by default for security that I will have to change or disable that impacts my connecting with the AH game server?
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SO how long do you think it is going to take Jb73 to melt down in this thread?
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Just turn off automatic upgrades .
There all better now.
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At least they could've fixed the issues affecting 3rd party softwares... including the software made by their VERY OWN company.
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Why does Microsoft always *force* stuff on us? I dont even want windows messenger installed much less running on my comp. If I want a messenger service, I'll go dl one.
I had service pack 2 installed previously. I didnt like when I turned off the firewall (that comes with SP2) and every 5 minutes I get a warning on my taskbar that it's turned off. Well DUH!! I turned it off! :lol There was something else about SP2 that I didnt care for, but cant recall what it was atm.
To bad there isnt another operating system out there that can compete with Windows for the PC. I for one would use it and never give Bill Gates another penny :)
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You can turn off the warning that you turned off the thing it didnt want you to turn off yanno.
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The pop up blocker is SP2 is anoying, it blocks windows you would never gues were popups, like web based email programs when you hit new mail lol.
Still, it is not the end of the world.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
You can turn off the warning that you turned off the thing it didnt want you to turn off yanno.
That warning is probably as difficult to figure out how to turn off as Windows Messenger is. Alot of us arent computer literate enough to find these things, hence we end up putting up with things that are very annoying.
Like Windows Messenger, shut it down on the task bar and 2 minutes later it is reconnecting itself. If I wanted that stupid program running I would turn it on myself.
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Heh, poor MS cant win. Dont firewall...complain. Do firewall, complain :p
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Elfie, Start->Settings->Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services
Look for the items you want off, such as "Messenger", "Security Center", right-click and select "Properties", then press the "Stop" button (if it is running), and select "Disable" in the drop down list.
Press "OK", and they are toast.
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Skuzzy thanks for your help earlier. I have IE locked down so far I have to press yes about 100 times to perform updates to windows. But it's worth it. I got rid of McaFee. I'm trying out NOD32 for antivirus. It has a spyware interface that works in IE and I think it says FireFox to, Ill see after awhile :) . I have Ad-Aware and also downloaded Microsofts new spyware killer. Everything is clean. I found a number of comments on the WEB that McAfee's antispyware acts like spyware itself.
On first install of SP2 for XP, does it setup anything that I should know how to configure, or to disable that will impead my connecting to Aces High?
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Thanks Skuzzy.
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Originally posted by Elfie
That warning is probably as difficult to figure out how to turn off as Windows Messenger is. Alot of us arent computer literate enough to find these things, hence we end up putting up with things that are very annoying.
Like Windows Messenger, shut it down on the task bar and 2 minutes later it is reconnecting itself. If I wanted that stupid program running I would turn it on myself.
Turning off the security center stuff is easy. Open Control Panel, Security Center, and on the left side find the link that says "Change the way Security Center Alerts Me". Tell it to STFU. Relax. :)
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
"Change the way Security Center Alerts Me". Tell it to STFU. Relax. :) [/B]
do you realy have to get that mean with it???????
or can i just say shut up???
:rofl
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I prefer getting mean with it. But tis up to the individual owner. You can try whining too, or bribery. In my experience though, you have to have a firm hand in training your Windoze or it will turn around and bite you later.
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SP2 plays with the tcp/ip network stack as well. It broke a whole lot of IPSEC and SSL VPN clients I use.
For ultimate security at SOHO price, I have a Sonicwall TZ170 with IPS, Gateway AV, Anti-Ad/Spyware, with McAfee on my PC (managed via the Sonicwall - if AV isn't up to date you can't get to the net, if theres a massive virus outbreak it stops all PC's accessing the net until they have the DAT for the outbreak), and PestPatrol which I use to scan stuff from time to time.
My adware/spyware picks droped from a few a week to zero a week.
Spyware is pissing me off, today I needed a filejoiner so I googled and tried to download a couple of small "freeware" utilities:
04/07/2005 16:36:25.064 - Alert - Intrusion Prevention - Anti-Spyware Prevention Alert: Bundled-Software Persian Goodnight Setup Download persiangoodnight.exe (Adware), SID: 2991, Danger Level: Medium - 66.98.138.27, 80, WAN, ev1s-66-98-138-27.ev1servers.net - 192.168.60.110, 1165, LAN -
This email was generated by: SonicOS Enhanced 3.1.0.0-57e
and
04/07/2005 16:35:41.240 - Alert - Intrusion Prevention - Anti-Spyware Prevention Alert: eXact-Advertising BargainBuddy CASHBACK Installer executable (Adware), SID: 2547, Danger Level: Medium - 66.39.20.216, 80, WAN - 192.168.60.110, 1138, LAN -
This email was generated by: SonicOS Enhanced 3.1.0.0-57e
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Originally posted by Elfie
Thanks Skuzzy.
Thanks Elfie and everyone else who answered my earlier request......:D :D :D :D :aok
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Debian Linux Powaah!
(Red Hat begins to act like a mini-MS these days...)
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SP2 also breaks some previously valid javascript used in web applications...
There were security holes in the "object caching" features of IE, that they have patched by denying legitimate use.
Apps that made clever use of hidden frames for interaction with server processes are particularly affected.
Look out for weird "permission denied" or "access denied" errors that don't show up if using Win 2K, SP1 or Firefox.
Brilliant, that's like throwing theft victims in jail so they don't get robbed again :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Tough... you're going to get it anyway.
http://www.ebcvg.com/articles.php?id=670
Nope.
It refuses to install in OSX :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Nope.
It refuses to install in OSX :D
Hows the keylogging/antispyware software going on OS X....? .... OHHHHH thats right you don't have any way of detecting them LOL.
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This isnt your first attempt to diss OSX, and ill ignore it just as fine this time as before :rofl
vulcans.... lol
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Or for better things you can rename the file that Messenger depends on to something else and it never runs unless you need it to.
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Originally posted by Elfie
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To bad there isnt another operating system out there that can compete with Windows for the PC. I for one would use it and never give Bill Gates another penny :)
There is:
[list=1]
- Download one of Linux ditributions - Red Hat, Debian or others. (from 1 to 4 CDs with full system: desptop, office, mail, multimedia etc, depends on what you need)
- Take one disk partition of the computer or take old computer that you use it less.
- Install dual boot system
- Enjoy!!!
You will going to see that it works very good - the newest desktops Gnome, KDE has great GUI. It is not harder to work with Linux then with any other system.
You also can try what is called LiveCD Linux (Knoppix or other) : download one CD enter it to computer reboot and run it without any installation. After you finish, remove CD and reboot the system to normal state.
It is ready to run system with full HW autodetection that allows you to see what Linux is... And if you decide to use you can install normal ditribution.
When I've started to use Linux, I've found that I hadn't reboot to windows for long time... so I removed Windows from my home computer (anyway it is too old and can't run AH2).
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Hows the keylogging/antispyware software going on OS X....? .... OHHHHH thats right you don't have any way of detecting them LOL.
Not true.. OS X is free BSD under the hood...
if your know your unix there are plenty of apps....
The only thing microsoft has the market on is the gaming market.. maybe office but thats changing rapidly.. everything else its losing ground to free alternatives..
Whoever made the direct X indirect cash cow was a genius. Suck in all the developers and corner the market... (MS SOP) you cant ignore Microsofts business savvy...
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Not true.. OS X is free BSD under the hood...
if your know your unix there are plenty of apps....
The only thing microsoft has the market on is the gaming market.. maybe office but thats changing rapidly.. everything else its losing ground to free alternatives..
Whoever made the direct X indirect cash cow was a genius. Suck in all the developers and corner the market... (MS SOP) you cant ignore Microsofts business savvy...
DoctorYo
Agree 100%
Why could they just not stick to OpenGL? Anyone here have a good answer? Skuzzy?
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Direct X is very robust... for starters.. from sound to networking to voice its all in there... open dxdiag and take a look there is a lot going on and that saves developers time by having just one system as opposed to creating your own system for every game.. (not cost effective) Thats why developers use it.. on top of that. its chicken and the egg theory..
you want to move software but need users to do such.. microsoft used directx to solidify their desktop market by enticing programers to use their system as opposed to creating their own ...
Hence now programmers are sucked into a unholy partnership with microsoft if they like it or not becuase the market is now geared to direct X...
the developers need customers to sell their software.. Microsoft still has a pretty good strangle hold on the desktop market and as a developer you want maximum distro of your product to make money in the software industry..
My prediction is that with hardware getting so fast soon somebody smart is going to create a java like emulator system that unifies games on all platfoms much like how java can run its apps on all platforms thru java runtime enviroment etc..
then the tables will turn..
DoctorYo
PS :if you remember MS crapped it self when Sun put out Java and tried to get in that market with active X .net and other crap to compete.. (actually .net is pretty good, but active X is freaking security vulnrability nightmare that was quickly hashed together..unlike suns java..)
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Aha.. thx for the clarification.
Doom3 is opengl isnt it?
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Id software prefers not being under the mercy of microsoft and programs its engines in Open GL..
yes Doom 3 is Open GL
heres a small article write up on opengl vs directX
that i just pulled using google "directx" "vs" "opengl"
there alot more but this will get your started...
http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/openglvs.html
DoctorYo
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Nice.
Looks like I was right. When someone brings me a PC to fix - I say that they have to uninstall XP themselves, or I'll do it for $20 and I'll never work on an XP system.
I wonder how many people will run to my office in horror after their PCs will stop working. I want to upgrade, now I'll have the money.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
SO how long do you think it is going to take Jb73 to melt down in this thread?
seeing as this is a duplicat thread and i was called ignorant in the last one, im going to stay out of this one.
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Originally posted by JB73
seeing as this is a duplicat thread and i was called ignorant in the last one, im going to stay out of this one.
Really? I try not to do duplicate threads. I did anothe search, and I'm missing it.
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not your fault
here it is:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147289
not totally the same, but my snippet was from an article about requiring SP2
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Jb73
Are you a drama queen in real life too or just on the boards?
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are you a **** smoker in real life or just on the boards?
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Originally posted by artik
There is:
[list=1]
- Download one of Linux ditributions - Red Hat, Debian or others. (from 1 to 4 CDs with full system: desptop, office, mail, multimedia etc, depends on what you need)
- Take one disk partition of the computer or take old computer that you use it less.
- Install dual boot system
- Enjoy!!!
You will going to see that it works very good - the newest desktops Gnome, KDE has great GUI. It is not harder to work with Linux then with any other system.
You also can try what is called LiveCD Linux (Knoppix or other) : download one CD enter it to computer reboot and run it without any installation. After you finish, remove CD and reboot the system to normal state.
It is ready to run system with full HW autodetection that allows you to see what Linux is... And if you decide to use you can install normal ditribution.
When I've started to use Linux, I've found that I hadn't reboot to windows for long time... so I removed Windows from my home computer (anyway it is too old and can't run AH2).
eh? I have no idea how to create a dual boot system, nor do I know what the heck you are talking about here :lol
Maybe you could tell me in plain english? ie layman's terms? I've heard of Linux, but never seen it in action. I only use my computer to play games with. Can you still play games like AH on a Linux Operating System?
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LOL
Hey, its ok to a be drama queen.
Your post scream it. Just embrace it.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
This isnt your first attempt to diss OSX, and ill ignore it just as fine this time as before :rofl
vulcans.... lol
Don't believe me huh? There is 13 known OS X keyloggers out there (that I found when challenged by Mac users about 6 months ago).
Tell me whats worse:
- Windows with loads of spyware/keyloggers and loads of cleaner/detection software
- OS X with a handlefull of spyware/keyloggers and no detection software
Your reaction is absolutely typical of a Mac user and why Macs are fast becoming considered high security risks.
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Not true.. OS X is free BSD under the hood...
if your know your unix there are plenty of apps....
The only thing microsoft has the market on is the gaming market.. maybe office but thats changing rapidly.. everything else its losing ground to free alternatives..
Whoever made the direct X indirect cash cow was a genius. Suck in all the developers and corner the market... (MS SOP) you cant ignore Microsofts business savvy...
DoctorYo
Yes thats true, but can a home user buy an off the shelf product without having to hunt down and recompile something?
M$ has lots more than gaming, the whole enterprise market is its strength. For large managed enterprise solutions nothing beats an M$ platform.
FWIW I hate M$ as much as anybody else. I just dislike Mac owners who think OS X is so wonderful when all it is is a bastardized BSD kernel with lots of eye candy and issues all over. I work with a network with lots of Apples all over it, I work with Apple people, I know the limitations - its not all its cracked up to be.
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Just go with the alternative to the alternative Operating System.............
BeOS 5
Its cheap you can get it for free as a "developer" or for under $30 when you find a site that you can download it from.
I had BeOS 4 on a system a long time ago and boy was it a wild ride. This was back in the days of the first nVidia cards and they were hell to get to work right.
BeOS
BeOS
BeOS
BeOS RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!
:rofl :aok
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First lets get this OS battle out of head..
Use the right tool for the job is my opinion..
Saying that OSX has no protections imo is just wrong.. Now does the dumb user know those protections..??? As Kofi the Frog would say "hell no"
Half of the people on this planet using computers dont even know wtf a trojan/keylogger is let alone malformed html vulnrability in outlooks preview pane..
OSX runs off BSD.. BSD is unix.. Unix has been around longer then microsoft hence most (note most ) of the bugs have been squished..
Will microsoft over time kill most of their bugs most likely yes.. but they are also creating more through their so called innovation.. (bundling the browser with the shell, WMP with the shell, outlook with the shell.. etc..) Imo and note my opinion only this is bad.. (good for the dummies/users bad for people like me who keep their stuff running..)
All machines need to be configured to be secure.. Out of the box I would say MS do to its tampering / blurring between shell / app innovation is less secure than OSX for two reasons.. One usage of microsoft product makes it much more inviting a target for miscreants.(more machines run it) Two the ease at some of these attacks against the apps / neo shell blurring makes it a ripe target for BO attacks aimed at the app which then effects the shell... which is bad... script kiddies love fresh MS installs.. hell they love fresh install of anything...
in osx most of the exploits are aimed at the windows manager not necessary the shell.. dont get me wrong unpatched early releases of osx had some blatant old school unix bugs that imo apple should have caught..
but all in all OSX is more secure..
OSX is unix.. thats means i dont have to pull up task manager to see processess i just demand them... and guess what haxor.Icoad software running used at this time (date) with 3 pipes going out haxor.ru is quickly noticed..
can i do the same with windows command line yes...
Infact almost all these so called apps / trojan catchers are using the command line components in windows and putting window dressing and interface on it and calling it new improved spyware catcher..
Look im not bashing MS to the core..(they have strengths and weaknesses) I give credit where credit is due and they do a great job in the business end of market control etc, hence direct X as their current best example ..
I work with Apple people
Ive found your problem right here... Do any of them have colored hair and black nail polish..... most die hard apple folks ive dealt with are creative types with little common sense.. (not all most)
My first computer I owned was a mac plus.. then apple got greedy and i saw the power of the darkside (more apps) and converted to microsoft intel solution.. now I use whatever works..
the latest OSX im impressed but apple still wants to charge me double for their hardware so i dont use apple.. (mac mini i may get as a TV/comp solution. we shall see)
I currently use knoppix on a flash mem stick alot... nothing like carrying your own desktop with you where you go.. buts that new school and most are clueless to the power of knoppix let alone STD knoppix...
Hell my opinion of a perfect OS give me windows 98 with protected memory.. and ill be content.... it does what i tell it without spying interfering like XP and WMP does... and has a low footprint / mem requrements... and is desktop software without heavy server abilities built in which are also vulnrabilites...
but hey we all cant get what we want.. SO i use them all...
DoctorYo
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Interesting post again Doctor. I liked it.
Im no diehard apple or ms fan. On my favorite mac board i am frequently dissed for not worshipping everything Steve J. does and his business ways. When im on "ms" forums they claim im an apple nut ..LOL
Im always sceptical and really cant stand "fan boyz" in any camp.
At the moment I think OSX is way better than WinXP except for gaming but that may change when Longhorn gets out. The real test would be if apple released OSX for "regular" computers but that will never happen.
For now im perfectly happy with using a mac powerbook and a windows desktop. I use the mac for everything but gaming and that works just great for me.
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Most important is - what do you need your OS for?
For someone who "only use my computer to play games with."
Windows is good enough - only because it has lots of games for it. Someone like him don't care/interested what computer for, what OS is etc... Windows would be perfrect for him... untill you need to may too much for it and there is less games for other platforms.
Mac, FreeBSD, Linux, Unix - these are for people who uses their computers and know what they do and what they need it for.
FreeBSD is perfect for Networking/Servers
Linux(es) - combination of good desktop with good security and unix network/dev abilities. Flexible system that can be used for both network/server/development apps and it is flexible enough for most of needs.
Mac... - never used one sorry can't tell.
Andway if you know what computer for and what do you use it for... You probably would pic one of Linux, FreeBSD=MacOSX for some tasks and Windoze for games.
I type this text from my old computer that is not suitable for games but I use it for internet, some development/calculations... And it is Linux... I like it very much and I use it.
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All this stuff is waaaay over my head. :D
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Originally posted by Elfie
All this stuff is waaaay over my head. :D
try standing up
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Originally posted by Nilsen
try standing up
I'm only 5' 9", standing doesnt help :)
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
First lets get this OS battle out of head..
Use the right tool for the job is my opinion..
Saying that OSX has no protections imo is just wrong.. Now does the dumb user know those protections..??? As Kofi the Frog would say "hell no"
DoctorYo
What I am talking about is simple to understand:
- average Mac user + infected/spywared Mac = very little chance of detection (possibly no chance)
- average PC user + infected/spywared PC = very high chance of detection
Ask a Mac user what spyware there is for their Mac and they'll usually say "none". Which is completely wrong.
And BSD and its apps have loads of issues, look at the security patches flying out of Apple at the moment. Hell, I see thousands of security issues in my IDP/DI/IPS signature files for all sorts of BSD stuff. The only thing stopping a massive virus attack on OS X is relatively small number of OS X systems out there.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
What I am talking about is simple to understand:
- average Mac user + infected/spywared Mac = very little chance of detection (possibly no chance)
- average PC user + infected/spywared PC = very high chance of detection
Ask a Mac user what spyware there is for their Mac and they'll usually say "none". Which is completely wrong.
And BSD and its apps have loads of issues, look at the security patches flying out of Apple at the moment. Hell, I see thousands of security issues in my IDP/DI/IPS signature files for all sorts of BSD stuff. The only thing stopping a massive virus attack on OS X is relatively small number of OS X systems out there.
The major difference beteen UNIX/Linux/MacOSX/FreeBSD and MS Windows - they way they build:
UNIX was system for multytasking-multiuser support from the begginig. Security is build in to these systems. Thus if you running these systems if even you get some kind of "virus" the damage it can do, and the probability it will be able to do something is very low.
MS Windows was grown from MS Dos - system without any kinds of security control, then Win 3.11 (same) then 95/98 and only then there was a merge with WinNT and Windows2000/XP was given.
Windows NT was secure but....
Who does work in WinXP with user permission? - No one - thus any virus/spyware has same permissions and can do anything. More then that you can't work normally with "user permissions mode".
In UNIX system you encuraged to work as user and it is problematic to work as "root" user - some programs just will not work. So you use "root" account for adminitstration only
All is simple - UNIX has natural security control in it, when Windows adopted it, not in really natural way.
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XP SP2 here never had one problem. Actually seemed to get rid of a lot of problems I was having. never get an unwanted pop-up anymore, get the ones I want. I don't see the problem.
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Originally posted by artik
All is simple - UNIX has natural security control in it, when Windows adopted it, not in really natural way.
Yet look at all the exploits for Unix/Linux apps, like Apache and Sendmail.
Or look at how many security updates flying out the door from Apple due security holes that have been found.
The only reason I don't trust OS X is the utopian attitude Apple users take towards security. Its like those retarded humans in the Time Machine movie that were being kept for food....
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SP2 doesnt hurt ya much if ya just do crap lie this---what it REALLY feks up is computers talking to DEVICES. Even if ya turn off the firewall, there's tons of other crap SP2 does in that area. I work on card access systems, among other things, and there are 5 major brands I work on, and every one of them is dead in the water with SP2--they dont support it any way, shape or form, and all 5 are STILL in process of redesigning their stuff to address it.