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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: mechanic on April 07, 2005, 11:54:04 PM
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ok, watch this film between two of the best spit pilots around and learn from it.
i did.
be sure to check the box 'guncam view' in your film viewer before you watch it
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/sniperVSwldthing.ahf
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Thats just sick.
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tell me about it!
I forgot to say, they dumped all their 20mm and only used the 303s to make it last longer.
eventually Wldthing crashed due to pilot wound.
awesome stuff.
more to come soon.
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Sniper = ?
Tell him to stop cutting his engine on and off. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Say, I thought flaps didn't help much in a Spit 5?
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Originally posted by Engine
Say, I thought flaps didn't help much in a Spit 5?
Usually they don't. But in a slow speed Spit on Spit fight, the flaps can give a brief but useful bit of instantaneous turning upon deployment. They also lower the stall speed, which is useful in that kind of fight. They do this at the expense of making the plane kind of squirrely at low speed though.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Is it wise to keep them deployed in a tight fight like that that's going to last a while?
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Originally posted by Engine
Is it wise to keep them deployed in a tight fight like that that's going to last a while?
The temporary loss of control that results in putting the flaps back up might make or break a close fight like that. So it might not be worth it to put them back in unless the opportunity presents itself.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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that was fun to watch. but, what is deal with engine going on and off? nvr did that or seen it before.
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Originally posted by killnu
that was fun to watch. but, what is deal with engine going on and off? nvr did that or seen it before.
That's an old Hblair/NathBDP/me move from years and years ago. It's meant to scrub off E really fast and control speed, but in reality it doesn't do it any better than throttle control. If anything, it looks like Sniper was maybe doing it to counteract the effects of torque in the vertical.
Pretty silly stuff. He's the first one I've seen do such a thing in at least two or three years.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Thanks for the advice. :)
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hey DMF, check this out....
he does that because.....he doesnt have a throttle :)
im serious.
amazing to fly like that with only 100% or off as your options.
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Not really, some of the early WWI birds were the same way. At least the rotary engine ones. They didnt have throttles, so the pilots controlled speed by cutting the engine on and off.
The old saying has merit, "There's nothing new under the sun, nothing there is that has not been done."
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OOh engine toggle = gay
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Actually, many noobs do this "engine off" trick. They teach themselves this move, because they think they'll slow down faster. Sometimes I do this to help make the typhoon turn left faster for a short period of time.
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Originally posted by mechanic
he does that because.....he doesnt have a throttle :)
Do you know this because you know him, or do you know this because that's what he told you? I'm not being mean, but I've heard that line of reasoning for doing this from others before, and they were lying.
What's funny is that I don't mind that Sniper was cutting his engine. It just seemed kind of silly and unnecessary. The reason guys like Nath and I don't do it anymore is because it doesn't offer any real advantages, and it is not as versatile as an actual throttle.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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as far as i know its true, he is left handed and his stick is not.
IE: to use his throttle (which sucks anyhow he says) he has to reach over his left hand with his right, which is apparently not worth the trouble when cutting works too.
i believe what he says as there's not much point lying about it.
anyhow, he flies good however he does it :p
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
If anything, it looks like Sniper was maybe doing it to counteract the effects of torque in the vertical.
Pretty silly stuff. He's the first one I've seen do such a thing in at least two or three years.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I had a Knight P-38 I was fighting last night do the same thing. Was funny seeing him go into a spin when he tried to turn tighter to get inside of my turn.
ack-ack
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I have never done any of the sort. I do not see the merrit in the cutting of the throttle, with the exclusion of torque. Though torque can be exploited by turning in the direction that the engine pulls tword
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Well at least Mechanic posted the film in which I met my creator :D
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The reason I started using toggle engine was because, before I got my HOTAS setup, I had no comfortable way to cut my power. The only throttle I had was on my joystick, but it wasn't productive to move my hand from the view keys on the k'board -- so I just toggled engine on and off. I had no need to do this after I got a HOTAS. Leviathn copied me for awhile and started doing it, but I'm not sure why cause he's always had a seperate throttle. Loser.
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haha See? Nath is lying.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I would have been lying if I said I didn't have a throttle. I did have a throttle, but it suited my hardware better to simply hit a key. Then everyone started copying me. Go figure.
I don't know where this game would be without me. My flying has always been rife with innovation.
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i reall;y dont have a throttle well i do but its stuck in the full thorttle spot :( plus its on the other side of the joystick and i cant reach all the way around over my left hand to get it in a good fight
like nath said its just alot easier to hit a button with my right hand since its allready on my keypad views
if i could find a seperate throttle that i could put near my right hand then i would not like im doing this outta the joy of doing it i have no other choice :mad:
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Originally posted by sniper68
i reall;y dont have a throttle well i do but its stuck in the full thorttle spot :( plus its on the other side of the joystick and i cant reach all the way around over my left hand to get it in a good fight
like nath said its just alot easier to hit a button with my right hand since its allready on my keypad views
if i could find a seperate throttle that i could put near my right hand then i would not like im doing this outta the joy of doing it i have no other choice :mad:
I actually learned (well kind of) to fly righty....went to HOTAS bout 2 years ago....took about 4-5 months to get a feel for it...
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funny part is im right handed but cant fly worth a crap unless i do it lefty
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why the sniper=? levi????
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Originally posted by sniper68
why the sniper=? levi????
You flew very well, Sniper, and yet I had never before seen or heard of you in AH (at least that I can recall -- my memory is awful though, so forgive me if we've run across one another). So the question mark means I'm wondering if you're shades or just the best kept secret in the game.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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must be a secret ive been sniper for atleast 2 years now and was sniper68 before then
no prob lev ya weve crossed paths before never fought but i useually give ya the "wanna have my baby" comment every now and then when i see ya :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You flew very well, Sniper, and yet I had never before seen or heard of you in AH (at least that I can recall -- my memory is awful though, so forgive me if we've run across one another). So the question mark means I'm wondering if you're shades or just the best kept secret in the game.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I used to cross props with sniper back in the CT in 2003 (was azhacker in game then)....course I use the term "cross props" loosely since I dont to any better with him then with you:)....
BTW....was a fun fun fight last night sniper <>
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Originally posted by sniper68
i reall;y dont have a throttle well i do but its stuck in the full thorttle spot :( plus its on the other side of the joystick and i cant reach all the way around over my left hand to get it in a good fight
like nath said its just alot easier to hit a button with my right hand since its allready on my keypad views
if i could find a seperate throttle that i could put near my right hand then i would not like im doing this outta the joy of doing it i have no other choice :mad:
All you need is a simple cheap joystick with switches to disconnect the centering spring on each axis (CH made one long ago). You disable the vertical (Y) axis and use it for throttle. Then you can use the X axis (with centering spring enabled) for a rudder. I flew AW this way for years.