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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 08, 2005, 02:33:29 AM
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I was paying $1.80 something around Xmas time ...
In the last two weeks priced RATOed. That was south of downtown, I don't even want to check the prices in Beverly Hills:D
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No blood for oil!
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Don't worry, we'll soon switch to cheap, plentiful, hydrogen!
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And Frenchy
JOO VILL COME DRINK MIT UNS IN CHINO OR ELSE!!!!
And you have to bring the Pontiac.
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Just think Frenchy - its still cheaper to fill our cars with 100LL then pull upto a Shell station.
Oh the irony..
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OMG! With the USD-EUR exchange rate, the gallon of Regular is almost as expensive as a gallon of diesel here (2.75*1.28679=3.49 EUR vs 3.79 EUR)...
I've never thought that I would see this happen...
:eek: :eek:
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Say bye bye to GM and any automaker who depends on selling SUVs and pickups and other behemoths.
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100LL is "low lead", but a friend of mine told me that it has more lead in it than regular gasoline/ethyl. It would be sure to fork up your catalytic converter.
Don't feel bad. I've just done a calculation which tells me we're paying more than $6 per US gallon in Britain (90p per litre).
The problem in America is due in part to American motorists cravings for sport utility vehicles or SUVs, which are disastrous in terms of fuel consumption. The problem is further compounded by the blinkered thinking that it is their "right" to drive whatever they like, and to hell with the issue of oil resources, which they consider to be "someone else's problem". We even see it on this board - someone posts a pic of the "best" car, which usually means fastest or (more to the point) faster than the car picture posted by the previous person in the thread.
Think of your gas prices as a wake up call. It's time to stop raping this planet for its natural resources. I'm paying at least twice as much for fuel as American motorists pay, but how often do you hear me complain about it? But these howls of anguish about US gas prices appear on this board all the time. Maybe if they would drive something that gets better than 18mpg the pain would not be as bad...
I don't often complain about road fuel prices, but I'm going to do it now. I am outraged that in Britain diesel costs even more than petrol, when diesel costs much less to produce, and less crude oil is needed to create an equivalent volume of diesel. In all the European countries I've driven in recently (Holland, France, Spain, Portugal) diesel costs about two thirds as much as petrol, reflecting its lower production costs. We have the most expensive road diesel in the world. (we also have a Labour govt)
So I'm glad I get 47mpg, and can do 500 miles on a tank of diesel. I do about 20,000 miles a year and spend about £40/week on fuel. At today's exchange rate, that's about $75.
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Originally posted by beet1e
In all the European countries I've driven in recently (Holland, France, Spain, Portugal) diesel costs about two thirds as much as petrol
That's because the road tax on diesel vehicles in those countries is quadruple the tax on petrol vehicles.
Over here the road tax is the same so they lump the duty on diesel to make up for it.
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What is road tax ?
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ok, well it is in Holland anyway.
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Beetle,
Frenchy and I being pilots - 100LL is our only drug of choice. Just drawing the comparison for the purpose that we can run our planes for less then it costs to run our cars since 100LL is produced as 0.005 % of the petrol used here in the US and the world. Its cost is affected by the additives, TEL, toluene, etc.
Wolf
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Originally posted by Swoop
ok, well it is in Holland anyway.
It was removed in France in 2000 ;)
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Wolf - yes, I've been a 100LL addict myself. I just love that blue colour. :)
Straffo - what is that "vignette" thing that cars have, and how much does it cost for a petrol car and a diesel car?
Swoop - I never heard of that. I know that Holland has a very high tax on the purchase of cars.
One of our NZ guys described a situation which sounds a bit like what you said. In NZ, they don't have red diesel and road diesel. It's all the same stuff, but road diesel users pay a separate tax on mileage.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Straffo - what is that "vignette" thing that cars have, and how much does it cost for a petrol car and a diesel car?
The "vignette" is dead since november 2000.
It still exist for car used by professionals but I don't know the cost
The cost was depending of the power of the car and the "département" for example the vignette was less expensive in the Eure (27) were I live than in the Yvelines (78) the "département" just bordering for the same car.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Don't feel bad. I've just done a calculation which tells me we're paying more than $6 per US gallon in Britain (90p per litre).
So who gets all that money? It would seem to be far above production cost plus and exorbitant profit. :eek:
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It's tax lye-el.
It pays for whatever the government subsidises in the UK.
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100LL runs great in my car (1973) ... but it's $3,70 in Los Angeles area ... still better off with $3,00 91:lol
So who are we that dependant upon that gas gains more than a Dollard in 4 months?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Say bye bye to GM and any automaker who depends on selling SUVs and pickups and other behemoths.
thats like saying goodbye to a 12.00 cup of starbucks coffee that could be made in a coffee pot for .12 cents.
people just love to show how much money they can waste.
lol
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i love my little honda, i think i'll go wash it.
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Originally posted by john9001
i love my little honda, i think i'll go wash it.
Isn't mineral water more expensive than gas?
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
100LL runs great in my car (1973) ... but it's $3,70 in Los Angeles area ... still better off with $3,00 91:lol
I was just paying like $2.80 last week at Santa Monica airport.
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May be worth to check Chino, or Whiteman. $3.60 was Van Nuyrs where I'm based at. It IS worth the fun of runing away as soon as the airport manager shows up:D
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I was back east last week at BDR - after whacking a seagull with my left wing over Ellis island - I tanked up. $3.80 for 100LL. Wanted $4.50 for JetA with prist - insanity.
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I was just poking around the old internet...Oil prices have been falling the past four days...but gas prices continue to rise...doesn't make much sense.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I was just poking around the old internet...Oil prices have been falling the past four days...but gas prices continue to rise...doesn't make much sense.
sure it does...your just not thinking about it with the right frame of mind.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I was just poking around the old internet...Oil prices have been falling the past four days...but gas prices continue to rise...doesn't make much sense.
Allow me to explain:
You are being danced around by your Willy.
The oil companies do this for the same reason a dog licks his private parts. ;)
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Dont worry Frenchy, a liter costs about 2 $ here. And there is 3,8 liters to the gallon so thats almost 8$ a gallon
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Originally posted by JB88
people just love to show how much money they can waste.
lol
Careful what you wish for.....you do want to sell your art don't you?
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Lol
:lol
He has a point JB88
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Originally posted by beet1e
100LL is "low lead", but a friend of mine told me that it has more lead in it than regular gasoline/ethyl. It would be sure to fork up your catalytic converter.
Don't feel bad. I've just done a calculation which tells me we're paying more than $6 per US gallon in Britain (90p per litre).
The problem in America is due in part to American motorists cravings for sport utility vehicles or SUVs, which are disastrous in terms of fuel consumption. The problem is further compounded by the blinkered thinking that it is their "right" to drive whatever they like, and to hell with the issue of oil resources, which they consider to be "someone else's problem". We even see it on this board - someone posts a pic of the "best" car, which usually means fastest or (more to the point) faster than the car picture posted by the previous person in the thread.
Think of your gas prices as a wake up call. It's time to stop raping this planet for its natural resources. I'm paying at least twice as much for fuel as American motorists pay, but how often do you hear me complain about it? But these howls of anguish about US gas prices appear on this board all the time. Maybe if they would drive something that gets better than 18mpg the pain would not be as bad...
I don't often complain about road fuel prices, but I'm going to do it now. I am outraged that in Britain diesel costs even more than petrol, when diesel costs much less to produce, and less crude oil is needed to create an equivalent volume of diesel. In all the European countries I've driven in recently (Holland, France, Spain, Portugal) diesel costs about two thirds as much as petrol, reflecting its lower production costs. We have the most expensive road diesel in the world. (we also have a Labour govt)
So I'm glad I get 47mpg, and can do 500 miles on a tank of diesel. I do about 20,000 miles a year and spend about £40/week on fuel. At today's exchange rate, that's about $75.
Really no big deal. We have the worlds largest reserves of coal.
It could be turned into oil easily. We'll sell some to you....cheap!
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Really no big deal. We have the worlds largest reserves of coal.
It could be turned into oil easily. We'll sell some to you....cheap!
But noone wants a coal liquification plant near them...and no one will invest in one.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
But noone wants a coal liquification plant near them...and no one will invest in one.
When oil prices get high enough, or supplies get tight enough it won't be any problem.
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It's that awkward 5-10 year period between when that point is reached and when the plants are producing that'll be difficult.
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Bush is laughing and skipping all the way to the bank repeating the same word over and over again.....
SUCKERS!! :rofl
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Honestly makes me wanna trade in my H2. I pay more a month in gas than what my mortgage was on my first house. It's just a complete waste of my money now, damn shame cuz I love this truck.
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It costs me $12 to drive my '67 Firebird to town and back..... Ptthhhh, money isnt everything...its spring and im drivin my @##$#@ convertible!
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Im happy that norway is gonna leave alot of oil in the ground "for a rainy day" Its worth more under the ocean now than it is when its pumped. No OPEC to think about either. :)
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Until we figure out an alternative fuel..I wish we'd use some of ours..and not worry about keeping it for later.
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Originally posted by beet1e
The problem in America is due in part to American motorists cravings for sport utility vehicles or SUVs, which are disastrous in terms of fuel consumption. The problem is further compounded by the blinkered thinking that it is their "right" to drive whatever they like, and to hell with the issue of oil resources, which they consider to be "someone else's problem". We even see it on this board - someone posts a pic of the "best" car, which usually means fastest or (more to the point) faster than the car picture posted by the previous person in the thread.
Think of your gas prices as a wake up call. It's time to stop raping this planet for its natural resources. I'm paying at least twice as much for fuel as American motorists pay, but how often do you hear me complain about it? But these howls of anguish about US gas prices appear on this board all the time. Maybe if they would drive something that gets better than 18mpg the pain would not be as bad...
I don't often complain about road fuel prices, but I'm going to do it now. I am outraged that in Britain diesel costs even more than petrol, when diesel costs much less to produce, and less crude oil is needed to create an equivalent volume of diesel. In all the European countries I've driven in recently (Holland, France, Spain, Portugal) diesel costs about two thirds as much as petrol, reflecting its lower production costs. We have the most expensive road diesel in the world. (we also have a Labour govt)
So I'm glad I get 47mpg, and can do 500 miles on a tank of diesel. I do about 20,000 miles a year and spend about £40/week on fuel. At today's exchange rate, that's about $75.
Thats been the standard left-wing stance on US side of Atlantic, and apparently the east side of it as well. It's not fair argueing with liberals, they dont have to use FACTS in their retorts--The law of supply and demand says that the less something is available, the more it will cost. Apparently, about 27 MILLION -'gas'guzzling'SUV's' were sold in the US since last fall...bloody amazing work on the part of car salesmen. Now if you introduce economic reality, oil consumption by China has increased exponentially in last couple years, to the point where there demand is up there with current production rates. what's scary is that only TWO of every 50 chinese has a car, and that will change very soon.
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I have noticed over the years that if even one news source predicts higher prices at the pumps... the minute the oil company board members read/watch the story... the prices climb. It is seldom based on any reality.
Still... lets use it all up and move on to something else if that is what is gonna happen. I do my part with my two cars that get between 6-12 mpg.
If a vacation trip costs a couple hundred more in gas.. so what? everything else went up worse... like food and rooms etc.
demand will go down and then the price will too. They allways try a "trial ballon gouge" around spring.
lazs
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It will take decades to shift to alternative sources to the extent that it matters, so we better find some real alternatives pretty soon.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Thats been the standard left-wing stance on US side of Atlantic, and apparently the east side of it as well. It's not fair argueing with liberals, they dont have to use FACTS in their retorts--
It's a simple mathematical fact that at the current rate of consumption, the world's known oil resources are being depleted at a rate higher than that at which new ones are being discovered. I don't see what one's political leanings have to do with it.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Swager
Bush is laughing and skipping all the way to the bank repeating the same word over and over again.....
SUCKERS!! :rofl
Bingo!
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Originally posted by Swager
Bush is laughing and skipping all the way to the bank repeating the same word over and over again.....
SUCKERS!!
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Bingo!>>
tell us how bush can lower the price of oil?
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Yes I blaem teh Boosh.
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Ummm lesse in NZ 1 litre of diesel is NZ$.86, which is US$0.60
Plus I pay ~ $110/5000km in road tax. ~ 500 litres of diesel for my Isuzu. ~ NZ$0.22 per litre in tax.
So Diesel costs me around NZ$1.08 per litre, or US$0.75.
Currently 96 oct costs NZ$1.35, US$0.95 per litre.
Plus I get about 30-40% better fuel economy on diesel.
How does that compare?
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Originally posted by beet1e
It's a simple mathematical fact that at the current rate of consumption, the world's known oil resources are being depleted at a rate higher than that at which new ones are being discovered. I don't see what one's political leanings have to do with it.
:rolleyes:
To be sure, they will be depleted, but give me a break on the SUV thing....(standard liberal talking point)...when the price of oil gets bad enough, replacements will magically arrive. As we speak, (In /US, anyway) gas isnt even as high now as it was in early 70's, when adjusted for inflation. An ever-increasing tax-load is far worse for the average consumer than the price of a gallon of gas. Quite likely, our brave elected officials are going to 'save' social security by bumping our current rate of 12% of gross pay, to prolly 14-15%...(it's OOONNNNlllyyy a few dollars) Keeping in mind it STARTED at 1%.
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Originally posted by bj229r
To be sure, they will be depleted, but give me a break on the SUV thing....(standard liberal talking point)...
...and you seem to fall fair and square into the "don't blame me - it's someone else's problem" camp.
May I ask you 3 questions: 1)What do you drive (also state engine size)? 2)What is the fuel consumption of your vehicle? 3)What is your annual mileage?
Sorry if the SUV thing sounds worn, but it's time some people woke up to the issue of the depletion of the world's resources. I'm no saint, but no way would I buy a 10mpg gas guzzler.
America has 5% of the world's population, and 40% of the world's vehicles! I know that the distances to be driven can be high...
At at the opposite end of the Liberal/SUV bashing moral spectrum with regard to fuel usage is the guy who drives a vehicle of ridiculous proportions "because he can" or because he wants to get one up on someone else, or maybe just needs the ego boost. People like that should perhaps reconsider their driving habits - and stop whining about the price of gas.
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Originally posted by beet1e
...and you seem to fall fair and square into the "don't blame me - it's someone else's problem" camp.
May I ask you 3 questions: 1)What do you drive (also state engine size)? 2)What is the fuel consumption of your vehicle? 3)What is your annual mileage?
Sorry if the SUV thing sounds worn, but it's time some people woke up to the issue of the depletion of the world's resources. I'm no saint, but no way would I buy a 10mpg gas guzzler.
America has 5% of the world's population, and 40% of the world's vehicles! I know that the distances to be driven can be high...
At at the opposite end of the Liberal/SUV bashing moral spectrum with regard to fuel usage is the guy who drives a vehicle of ridiculous proportions "because he can" or because he wants to get one up on someone else, or maybe just needs the ego boost. People like that should perhaps reconsider their driving habits - and stop whining about the price of gas.
THATS because over here in the US, we get watermelon done! We dont have lil girly 35 hour works weeks (like France), we dont take 2 months of vacation each year, we work 50-60 hour weeks till we get heart attacks and die! I looked up stats, we use 4X as much oil as the next country (Japan), BUT, our economic output per capita is by far the highest in the world, (Was looking for those stats, alas, I dont have Lexus Nexus) so at least we make judicious use of our oil (btw, I have a mid-size SUV, gets about 20mpg, a little truck..gets high 20's...and a GAS-GUZZLING, HORSEPOWER SPEWING, INEFFICIENT, HEAVY, 1967 FIREBIRD....dont drive that one too often..has a range of about 120 miles:D Also have a 1962 Harley, gets about 35 mph..) All 4 of our vehicles together prolly total up to about 15k miles per year, as I have a gas-guzzling company-issued vehicle for work.
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Originally posted by bj229r
THATS because over here in the US, we get watermelon done! We dont have lil girly 35 hour works weeks (like France), we dont take 2 months of vacation each year, we work 50-60 hour weeks till we get heart attacks and die! I looked up stats,
It suck to be American :rofl
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Originally posted by bj229r
THATS because over here in the US, we get watermelon done! We dont have lil girly 35 hour works weeks (like France),
LOL - you forgot the two hour lunches, and the public holidays which just seem to happen on a Thursday (so that people can faire le pont and take Friday off too).
I've got no axe to grind if people want to drive an SUV, as long as they don't whine about the cost of the fuel it consumes. My ex cleaning lady had what is known here as a Vauxhall Frontera, and it was big and heavy and got only 18mpg. And she would be crying in her beer about what it cost to run, but I had no sympathy with her I'm afraid.
Working in France was un pique-nique! Never any question of work getting in the way of holidays or leisure time! :p:cool:
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Originally posted by bj229r
I looked up stats, we use 4X as much oil as the next country (Japan), BUT, our economic output per capita is by far the highest in the world,
behind luxemburg you mean?
linky: http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php
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heeh, Luxemburg, that great powerhouse;