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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on April 08, 2005, 10:46:26 AM
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So I heard on the radio this morning on the way to work that Mcclintock failed to get his bill through that would revoke the law that subsidizes illegals in state universities.
He was saying Cali residents and out of state residents pay 23k a year to go to a state university.
Illegals pay 6k.
What the hell is wrong with this state?
Thanks Gray davis you dolt.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So I heard on the radio this morning on the way to work that Mcclintock failed to get his bill through that would revoke the law that subsidizes illegals in state universities.
He was saying Cali residents and out of state residents pay 23k a year to go to a state university.
Illegals pay 6k.
What the hell is wrong with this state?
Thanks Gray davis you dolt.
Maybe instead of just punishing employers, we should look at punishing our government for enticing and supporting illegals.
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It's not just Cali; Kansas gives them a break as well.
It passed both houses and is law.
If you can sneak in, avoid La Migra for three years while you go to High School or get a GED and say you "plan" to seek legal status... you get in-state rates.
The part I don't get is that apparently you have to admit you're an "illegal" to get this good deal. So.. if they admit to State authorities they're illegal, what's wrong with that picture?
The proposal extends in-state tuition — which is much lower than tuition for nonresidents — to illegal immigrants who have attended a Kansas high school at least three years and graduated or who earned a general educational development certificate in Kansas.
To receive the lower tuition, an immigrant would have to be actively seeking legal immigration status or plan to do so when eligible
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McClintock!
(http://members.aol.com/diqsdairy/MCCLINTOCK.jpg)
They t'k urr jobs!
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Originally posted by GScholz
Admit they're illegal aliens? Isn't it obvious if they have no citizenship?
You are beginning to see the point, perhaps.
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It is wonderfull a state on the edge of going broke feels the need to give every ilegal ******* who wants to go to a state university 18k.
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The thread titled Mexican Army on standby has turned into a debate of *why* illegals come here. I posted links that show how much illegals cost the US gov't in unpaid taxes.
Giving illegals a break on tuition at major universities? Thats just plain retarded.
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We have decent immigration policies.
They are just not enforced.
And, as I guess I've learned from some threads about it on this BBS, if you expect the immigration laws to be enforced you are a bigot and a racist.
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Originally posted by Toad
We have decent immigration policies.
They are just not enforced.
And, as I guess I've learned from some threads about it on this BBS, if you expect the immigration laws to be enforced you are a bigot and a racist.
And if you argue about being a bigot/racist you get relegated to the *Moron Bin* :D
*edit* Enforcement of current laws is what we need. Employers who hire illegals need to be punished and so do the people who come here illegally.
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Well here is a link to college costs in CA
http://cpr.ca.gov/report/cprrpt/issrec/etv/etv18.htm
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Originally posted by Silat
Well here is a link to college costs in CA
http://cpr.ca.gov/report/cprrpt/issrec/etv/etv18.htm
Well Silat, you've done it now! Come on, get over here in the Moron Bin with the rest of us! :D
Seriously though, illegals cost us billions every year.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So I heard on the radio this morning on the way to work that Mcclintock failed to get his bill through that would revoke the law that subsidizes illegals in state universities.
He was saying Cali residents and out of state residents pay 23k a year to go to a state university.
Illegals pay 6k.
What the hell is wrong with this state?
Thanks Gray davis you dolt.
I would say he has his facts wrong. Cali Residents and out of state residents do not pay the same amount. In-state tuition for residents (usually 3 years in state) is lower than people who just move to a state and go to college there. Looks to me like what he did was let illegals pay the same as the in-state crowd.
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Originally posted by Raider179
I would say he has his facts wrong. Cali Residents and out of state residents do not pay the same amount. In-state tuition for residents (usually 3 years in state) is lower than people who just move to a state and go to college there. Looks to me like what he did was let illegals pay the same as the in-state crowd.
Even if this is true, why allow someone who shouldnt even be here in the first place to pay resident tuition? At worst they should be paying non-resident tuition and at best they should be deported.
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Originally posted by Elfie
at best they should be deported.
Not "at best". They SHOULD be deported. You racist bigot, you.
;)
After all, they're only here illegally. What's wrong with that?
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Originally posted by Elfie
Even if this is true, why allow someone who shouldnt even be here in the first place to pay resident tuition? At worst they should be paying non-resident tuition and at best they should be deported.
1)I would worry more about the illegals that are not trying to go to school. You know the one's that form the violent drug gangs and the like.
2) Illegals still pay state taxes when they make purchases so its not exactly the "free ride" that everyone seems to think it is. Although it is still close to one.
3) I wonder what the number of illegal immigrants in college in Cali is. How many illegals come here and go to college? I would guess its a very very small percentage.
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Originally posted by Toad
Not "at best". They SHOULD be deported. You racist bigot, you.
;)
After all, they're only here illegally. What's wrong with that?
Ok, get in the Moron Bin with me, Bustr and Silat. :D
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You notice Ahrnold is getting alot of crap lately. I dont see this guy doing alot wrong but it seems like every special interest group is against him.
I predict him NOT getting re elected and California going back to the days of Davis or worse.
The problem is MOST liberal Californians want their cake and eat it too. The more social programs the better to them......But they don't care if businesses leave the state in droves and it loses tax moneys to pay for it. The people that create jobs are the bad guys anyways and deserve to be sued for whatever.
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I'm trying to think of anything that Arnold has done at all...
Need a little help here.
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Well, he banned the .50 BMG rifles because of the huge number of murders using that wea... wait, that wasn't the reason.
Because of all the banks safes they entered using the .50... wait, that wasn't it either.
Because of all the crime committed with hidden 4 foot long, 30 pound gu.. no, wait that wasn't it.
...well, for some reason.
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Arnold made T3: rise of the machines!
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Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?
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Solution= Give Kalifornia back to Mexico.
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Originally posted by Toad
Well, he banned the .50 BMG rifles because of the huge number of murders using that wea... wait, that wasn't the reason.
Because of all the banks safes they entered using the .50... wait, that wasn't it either.
Because of all the crime committed with hidden 4 foot long, 30 pound gu.. no, wait that wasn't it.
...well, for some reason.
What exactly are you gonna shoot with a 50 cal? just curiosity because you can get a dealer license and have one so I dont see what the issue is.
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It is not the citizen's responsibility to ask for permission why they SHOULD be able to do something, it is the government's job to represent the interests of the populace and determine what specifically interferes with their safety.
Asking him 'what will you shoot?' is no different from making each person buying a car answer a questionaire regarding 'where will you go?'.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It is not the citizen's responsibility to ask for permission why they SHOULD be able to do something, it is the government's job to represent the interests of the populace and determine what specifically interferes with their safety.
Asking him 'what will you shoot?' is no different from making each person buying a car answer a questionaire regarding 'where will you go?'.
Oh yeah right compare a 50 caliber sniper rifle to a car. pffft Get a better analogy please. Based on your argument we could just let let people walk around with AT-4's. After all who cares what they are gonna shoot with them.
I Know a 50 cal isnt gonna be that different than a lot of rifles that are easily available I just think you gotta draw the line somewhere and 50 Cal's sound like a good place to start.
If you need a 50 cal to take a deer out, well your really not much of a hunter to begin with are ya?
Flame on gun nuts!
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Originally posted by Raider179
I Know a 50 cal isnt gonna be that different than a lot of rifles that are easily available I just think you gotta draw the line somewhere and 50 Cal's sound like a good place to start.
See Toad? Ahnold banned 50 cals to make people feel better.
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like I said before... punish the employers and cut off the benifiets... the school thing is a benifiet. You wonder why we have the problem when we have government and employers holding out candy bars in both hands.
lazs
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To make people who need nannies feel better.
I knew there was a reason.
Some people just need government to do their thinking for them. As Chair said, this type depends on the government to tell them what to do and how to live.
"Do you really NEED this?"
"Sorry, we don't think so."
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raider.. the .50 was banned because it might penetrate armor on limmo's...
No one I know fears his limmo being sniped at. Why do you think banning them (or making it proihibitively hard to get one) is a good thing?
Maybe you feel that only people with a lot of money should own one?
lazs
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Although I sympathize with the illegal immigrants you guys have to understand that they are in the country illegally. Any illegal activity is a criminal act. Period.
To have a state give benefits to criminals who aren't even citizens or legal residents .. benefits which not even their own legal residents or citizens receive is just plain retarded.
But in those states the so called 'hispanic' vote is a major reason why politicians bow down and spread them to the 'hispanic' interest groups that lobby to receive even more and more retarded priviledges.. Driver Licenses for illegals? Good grief!
Set up a small office of the INS in every hospital, in every school. Problem 'mostly' solved. It wont stop the illegal immigration but it will at least drop the massive drain they cause on state resources.. for going to a school or to a hospital will mean getting deported.
Hard on the illegals? Yes. Very. But then again, their presence and the benefits they receive are causing lots of hardships to the society that is their host. Eventually this hardship will reach a critical point and everyone will be in the crapper... then what? Californians illegally emigrating to Canada?
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Originally posted by lazs2
No one I know fears his limmo being sniped at. Why do you think banning them (or making it proihibitively hard to get one) is a good thing?
lazs
Hmmm the president? Politicians? CEO's? How bout aircraft? I could see a multitude of targets. Like I said if you need the range and penetrating power of a 50 cal. you are not much of a hunter. And if your a professional shooter(target) then your gun is usually custom made so its not issue.
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Originally posted by Airhead
See Toad? Ahnold banned 50 cals to make people feel better.
Stupid people.
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i just had my limo refited with new secret armor to stop 50 cals and RPG's because of the rash of shootings of limos.
amish drive by shooting::
clip clop...clip clop...clip clop..BANG BANG BANG...clip clop ..clip clop...clip clop...
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Originally posted by Raider179
Hmmm the president? Politicians? CEO's? How bout aircraft? I could see a multitude of targets.
In the finest traditions of American jurisprudence, we find you .50 BMG shooters guilty until proven innocent.
Congrats, Raider... great concept.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Solution= Give Kalifornia back to Mexico.
Seems like Cali libs and Bush sure are trying.
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Originally posted by Toad
In the finest traditions of American jurisprudence, we find you .50 BMG shooters guilty until proven innocent.
Congrats, Raider... great concept.
Toad
Thats just typical of antigun/ignorant types.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So I heard on the radio this morning on the way to work that Mcclintock failed to get his bill through that would revoke the law that subsidizes illegals in state universities.
He was saying Cali residents and out of state residents pay 23k a year to go to a state university.
Illegals pay 6k.
What the hell is wrong with this state?
Thanks Gray davis you dolt.
There was a bill in California that was recently voted down that would make it so illegal aliens would have to pay out of state tuition instead of paying resident tuition.
The bill that had passed was the one that allows illegal aliens to pay the same resident fee as California residents to attend state college. They pay the same resident tuition fee that all California residents would pay for State College. Remember, in California we have two state college systems, the UC and the State Universities. The UC system is the higher costing of the two, on average a State University school resident tuition is in the $15,000 dollar range while the UC resident tuition on average is $20,000.
Personally, I voted against the bill that passed since illegal aliens are not legal residents, they shouldn't get the perks. Now some may consider this being hypocritical but the major difference between my stance on this bill is that denying them the benefit of paying resident tuition does not deprive them of their fundemental basic rights. Unlike other bills and movements that want to deny them such basic rights as the access to basic healthcare.
ack-ack
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Why are foreigners even being admitted to CSU? Take all the qualified California applicants before even considering out-of-staters and foreigners.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Why are foreigners even being admitted to CSU? Take all the qualified California applicants before even considering out-of-staters and foreigners.
You sir are either a bigotted racist or a racist bigot. I have not yet decided.
Please explain just exactly why a legal resident should get any sort of favoritism over someone who just arrived in the country illegally?
If anything, there should be affirmative action that allows EVERY illegal immigrant a chance for a free education before ANY legal California citizen is allowed the chance to pay for his/her education.
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Since when is free basic health care a right?
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so raider... How many of the people or objects you mentioned have been shot at with .50's? Do you think it is just a good idea for the government to punish you for something you MAY do.
lazs
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Since when is free basic health care a right?
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Hapiness...something our country's fathers were babbling about in this little document they wrote a couple of hundred of years back.
ack-ack
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Gee, yeah, were in there is free basic health care again?
I didnt have it for years and didnt miss it.
It is not a basic right.
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If the government actually thought about it, they could capture A LOT of illegals by offering cheaper education. Then when they say they're illegal and plan to apply for citizenship, boot them.
It's that easy, honestly. HONESTLY BOOT THEM THEY"RE GOING TO STEAL OUR JERBS
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Gee, yeah, were in there is free basic health care again?
I didnt have it for years and didnt miss it.
It is not a basic right.
It is illegal for an emergency room to turn away someone in need of urgent medical care if they do not have the means to pay for that care. Courts have upheld this by citing that it violates a person's unalienable rights.
ack-ack
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I see no problem with emergency rooms treating genuine life threatening emergencies.. that is worth paying for no matter where the person is from. I believe doctors even take some kind of vow.
but... "you're patched up buddy... time to catch the bus."
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
We have decent immigration policies.
No you dont have.
You immigration poilies is funny PoS.
Let have a look at this. Citizen of NATO cant travell to US (even as tourist) coz he/she is young, educated and w/o obligations in his own country.
Someone who will get to US illegaly and will manage to stay there for couple of years will get citizenship.
So, for those who are about to visit friends or relatives, its almost immposible to travell over there. Those, who want to go there and work on black market only need to find someone who will take them overthere for $1-2k.
Now tell me again please, what did you mean by word "decent ". Because i can not imagine more stupid policy.
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lada... I would say that it is custom tailored for you then since you hate the U.S. so much... why would you ever want to come here?
lazs
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Gee, yeah, were in there is free basic health care again?
I didnt have it for years and didnt miss it.
It is not a basic right.
I've NEVER had *free* health care. Why should illegal immigrants get it? They shouldnt, and it isnt a basic right.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Hapiness...something our country's fathers were babbling about in this little document they wrote a couple of hundred of years back.
ack-ack
Yeah, but at your own expense. Demanding that others pay for you Pursuit of Happines (including food, shelter or healthcare) is simply a theft.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It is illegal for an emergency room to turn away someone in need of urgent medical care if they do not have the means to pay for that care. Courts have upheld this by citing that it violates a person's unalienable rights.
ack-ack
But if you do have means to pay, they'll charge you for both, you and the dudes who gets it for free.
So all you have to do is to claim that you are here illegally. I wonder how you "prove" that you are illegal.
BTW, I'll bet that claiming to be illegal in order to avoid paying for services is illegal in itself. ANd if this is the case, this law WILL be enforced to the fullest extent.
The whole thing is absurd. Otherwise sensible people actually discussing whether criminals have right to our income or not.
Pretty soon we'll have laws demanding that anyone can enter your house at will, demand to be clothed, fed and provided with healthcare, and if you refuse, he can sue you using your money to pay for the lawyer. You obviously lose, and he gets even more of your money for of his distress.
Are you laughing? How is it different from what we have now?
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uh oh Mietla, you've done it now. Don't let Culero see what you said or it will be the *Moron Bin* for you!
You do know, that you just became a racist/bigot for that post dont you? :)
I do agree with your post btw :)
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Originally posted by Elfie
You do know, that you just became a racist/bigot for that post dont you? :)
Nah, I was born this way.