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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kj714 on April 08, 2005, 12:49:44 PM
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First off this is not a bait, flame, disguised anything... it's an honest question!
You guys who get 5, 6, 7 + to 1 k/d ratios, how do ya do it?
I'm pretty thrilled when I get to 1 to 1 or so, and I know I'm on the lower end of the scale of pilotry skills, but dang thats a lot.
Granted I'll have days when I land a bunch and don't die much, but that's usually followed by a day or two of just getting splattered for some reason (it's a real pattern). I don't up capped bases, not hopelessly capped anyway, I'll give it a shot if it's only few and maybe they've wandered a bit from the field, (yes I fall for that everytime!:) )
Speak up, give up some hints, they'd be much appreciated!
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It all depends on how you want to fly...and what you want to fly. Some guys can rack up great numbers in difficult circumstances...but the majority pick their plane and pick their encounters carefully.
As a general rule you'll find em in D-9's, ponies, 38's or other planes that have both range speed & climb. While they may fly as "lone wolfs" you rarely see them flying against the odd's or from capped fields....
and they vulch alot:D
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k/d ratio? gah! easy enough to do simply by flying timidly.
I always though k/s, along with k/t, was a better indicator of one's overall effectiveness.
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Alot of guys fly high where they are relatively safe, have many outs and all the advantages. Personally I can do this for one or two runs and then I am bored and need some more excitement.
Others and there are not that many in this category- and most of us know who they are, are just that good. They are easy to spot too. If you see one of these guys with the amazing K/D ratio and he is deep in the mud with cons all around them you know he's one of these.
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KJ, quite a few stay high, attack and run. You're asking how to stay alive and get kills, and mostly quite a few guys who do that fly in a style some would define as "timid". Things you also need to look at is kills/hour and kills/sortie. I used to fly this way a lot, but I have since changed my ways in this area, and will mostly engage anything, unless I'm seriously outnumbered because if its more than a 2 or 3 on 1, I know I can't win at the level I play at currently.
I think it depends what you fly. I learned a lot from watching films of leviathn in a furball. Take shots at those planes you know you can hit, and don't commit to chasing someone around who is faster than you, keep your SA up and fly defensively till someone makes a mistake. If you are in a furball, most newer guys will go for shots they can't hit causing them to overshoot which could give you a good shot.
Know what your plane can do and what your strengths are. If you are in a zeke you don't want to be fast, if you are in a tempest you don't want to be slow. The way I improved was I would fly into areas where our team had numbers, and take on some guys with an advantage on my side. Then as I got better shooting them down I would move to areas where I didn't have the advantage and see how I did there.
But if you really want to up your K/D, get a fast plane, stay high, don't come down and BnZ people till they do something stupid and you got um. You get 3 in the bag, RTB, land, and do it over again. Once you string a few of those together your K/D will go up. And don't get into situations where you are outnumbered and low.
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Originally posted by Shane
k/d ratio? gah! easy enough to do simply by flying timidly.
I always though k/s, along with k/t, was a better indicator of one's overall effectiveness.
Shane is definitely correct. Look at Kills/time and Kills/sortie. As far as getting stats up, learn to dodge bullets, to kill the guy on your 6, and kill as many as you can as fast as you can. One more simple rule, if you are in a furball, try not to turn more than 90degrees to kill some one, just take ur best shot and keep your E and be very focused on you SA. :cool: Oh! and by the way, ropes, reversals, vulches, cherries, they all blow up the same.
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Originally posted by kj714
First off this is not a bait, flame, disguised anything... it's an honest question!
You guys who get 5, 6, 7 + to 1 k/d ratios, how do ya do it?
I'm pretty thrilled when I get to 1 to 1 or so, and I know I'm on the lower end of the scale of pilotry skills, but dang thats a lot.
Granted I'll have days when I land a bunch and don't die much, but that's usually followed by a day or two of just getting splattered for some reason (it's a real pattern). I don't up capped bases, not hopelessly capped anyway, I'll give it a shot if it's only few and maybe they've wandered a bit from the field, (yes I fall for that everytime!:) )
Speak up, give up some hints, they'd be much appreciated!
I suffer from the same fate. The key, from my point of view, is don't even look at the stats.
If you are having fun, that's all that matters. The second I start looking at K/D, it makes me think about flying more timid and not diving into the pile with my 38G.
While I die ALOT in that big target on the deck in the mob, it's much more fun then waiting for the perfect opportunity to get a kill.
So I live by my F/D ratio. That being fun to death ratio :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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A lot of the guys just vulch, some wont engage at all w/o holding all the aces.
Yesterday some guy in a 190 dove out to cv acks w/o ever trying to fight my P-47. Granted I had alt+speed advantage, but this guy didnt even try. Then when a 5 inch gunner killed me he claimed he *won*. :rofl
How do you *win* if you didnt even try to fight in the first place?
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high K/D is really easy, as its been said pretty much all you gotta do is be careful. Choose your fights, never up vulched fields, stay at 15K or above dont go below 10k. As far as plane choice, i think you can do it in just about ANY place with foward firing guns, at least any fighter if you follow the above. Some of it comes with expierence.
I.E, i was at a field last tour or so in an A-8, completely controlled by the enemy. Came in at 15k or so, used my advantage to pick off the few cons up in my alt. Then the rest is just playin it out. Even though they outnumberd me 5-1, they were all more then eager to give up their E and try to climb up to me at 10k. I ended up knockin down 4-5 and returnin home without any damage.
So overall yea its flying cautiously/smartly and alittle expierece helps too. Just depends how you wana spend ur 15$.
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Alternatively, if you want a high K/D just fly a Tempest.
I think before I started getting bored and flying into bad odds in one last tour, my max K/D ratio in the Tempest was 50:1 (and K/S of 9:1). That wasn't any kind of amazing or special flying; I have no doubt anybody else could put up the same numbers in the plane if they put their mind to it. It really is that good.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Alternatively, if you want a high K/D just fly a Tempest.
I think before I started getting bored and flying into bad odds in one last tour, my max K/D ratio in the Tempest was 50:1 (and K/S of 9:1). That wasn't any kind of amazing or special flying; I have no doubt anybody else could put up the same numbers in the plane if they put their mind to it. It really is that good.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Yep, I can get atlist 1 or 2 kills in it before I lose it :lol
Although, thats not a reflecsion of the planes abilities, lol
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Just thinking on it a little more and a couple things came to mind from the last couple days flying.
It still comes down to what's fun. There was a stretch the other night where I knew that the guys I was going up against were far better then I'll ever be. Lev and some of his buddies were up and raising cain.
I kept going back in and kept dying, but if I'm going to get better, taking a chance against the best has to help a little. If my K/D was that important, I'd have wandered off to another part of the map where the odds were in my favor.
The other thing that came to mind involved three seperate flights where I was away and clear from the fight, but heard guys call they were rtb damaged.
If my K/D mattered that much I could have kept driving for home. It was much more gratifying to roll back towards the damaged rtb guy and dive in on the 5-6 Spits, Nikis and LAs following him out. Each time I got the mob off them and they were able to land their kills successfully. Each time I got the chop while doing so. And it felt great seeing them get their hard earned kills down even though I died.
Again, it's just my approach and not a criticism of anyone elses. As long as it's fun, that's all that matters
Dan/CorkyJr
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I say do whats fun for you. You will set a goal like K/D and after you get bored with that you will try something else. All the old Vet's have been there. Bottom line is what is fun to you and who cares what anyone else thinks :) opps sorry back to your ? I always found for me that jumping in all the time for a knife fight what ever the odds are and in different planes has always been my fun. So I cant give you any help on the K/D sorry:(
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I agree that the tempest is a great plane. I fly it much more now just cause I can't stand waiting to get back to a flight and it's about the fastest thing to get me back there.
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All good thoughts, I never really thought that much about k/t and k/s will start looking.
I don't really live for my stats, but once in awhile when I look and then look at some of the leaders I'm just amazed.
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Check the ones you know are "good" sticks - aka someone you know is gonna hand you your 6. Then check out some of the "ranked" ones and try and recall how you see them fly.
You'll be a tad surprised on several levels.
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Hmm.
Only the sucky players have to "choose your fights carefully" ;)
Seriously, the key there is "carefully". If you ever wing with Drex, you'll notice that he "carefully" picks an early war plane, flies to the thickest group of cons, trolls around a few thousand feet below most of them, and then shoots down everyone in sight. That's how he keeps his K/D over 1-1.
The last time I ever had a K/D less than 1 was my second or third day playing CK beta .8x, and I'm no more careful picking fights than any other dweeb. Sure I'm not nearly as talented in the game as Drex, Shane, or half the other addicts here, but I didn't have to play alt-monkey just to survive. I'll pick a plane I enjoy (currently ki-84), and learn how to do everything in it and then fly around at medium altitude looking for interesting fights. 1v1 isn't too terribly interesting, but I'm not going to run unless I have to. I'll even take my ki-84 to a merge and try to turn with any other plane, just to find out what kind of player they are. If they're good enough to kill me, I MIGHT run, but for the most part I'll stick around and either get them or get my butt kicked. Either way it's fun for me, and either way I'll probably learn something. That's how I keep my K/D over 1, by finding interesting fights and jumping in.
Now jumping in also needs clarification too, because it means different things. For Drex, jumping in sometimes means imitating an easy target and then killing anything that gets close. For me, it means trying to stay alive long enough to beat down my opponent enough in energy so I can saddle up for an easy shot, because my gunnery sucks really badly. So I usually don't end fights quickly even when I'm winning. That means that to have much fun, I can't be the only friendly around in a swarm of enemies. So I need to find fights that are at least somewhat evenly matched so I can take a little time to push a guy around the sky until I can get enough bullets into him, without someone shooting me first.
Another thing that really helps K/D is not fixating on your target. Anytime you're not actually pulling the trigger, you should be flipping your views around trying to keep track of all the other bandits. Sure, follow the other guy in the views enough to fly your best fight against him, but you MUST not only check 6 occasionally, but check 3, 9, high-12, straight up, even roll out if necessary to do a belly-check, or you'll get blasted right when you think you're doing ok. You must fight the highest threat no matter how offensive you are at the time, and if that means giving up an easy kill to defend yourself, then that's what you gotta do.
Another tip is to keep track of your ammo and fuel, and when you start running low on either try to work your way to the edge of the fight closest to your own field. Try not to run out of ammo when you're only 100 ft up in the middle of the furball or on the wrong side from home. It makes sense in any furball to grab altitude anytime you're not turning or shooting someone, and if you have the choice then every time you take a little breather, turn towards home and climb for a few seconds before re-engaging. That way you keep your run away home option alive when you run out of bullets or get really low on gas, and you can dive or climb towards home to get out of the fight. If you're on the deck very slow when you run out of ammo, you're usually an easy kill for anyone who happens by.
I don't know how many times I've run out of ammo and had to just keep turning with bandits. There have been times when I've gotten 3 maneuver kills after running out of fuel, because I was stupid and ran out of ammo right in the middle of the furball and couldn't run away. So I'd have to keep fighting, saddle up behind the bandit so he couldn't shoot me, and try to scare him into running into the ground by getting really close and pointing at him. Sometimes it works, but having the option to exit the fight instead is a better way to do things in general.
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People play this game for a variety of reasons, some, knowing that they will never be able to experience WW2 fighter combat try to use the game as a simulation of what happened 60 years ago so that in some small way they might have a taste of what it was like for those pilots who had to live through it for real.
My death is not something I give away lightly, I try to kill and survive, I try to use actual tactics from WW2, I probably spend far too much time and money on books about WW2 aircraft and the men that flew them.
If you think the epitome of skill is flopping around the DA at zero feet in a Spit V and all you can do is kill, die, kill, die, kill die ad nauseam fine, not very bright, no sense of history, lacking empathy gamey little bottom feeders....not for me.
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and in answer to the question...think about setting up a situation where you are in control, where your enemy or enemies react to you and where you have the advantages and they do not.
It helps to be able to hit your target at d600 and to be able to set up that snapshot in under 2 seconds, so you need to practice fine control of the plane to get the correct target picture as fast as possible.
If you can get your gunnery into the 10% to 15% range with few assists and more kills it also helps.
Know when to break off and regroup either singly when you find you are losing E or you SA is becoming overwhelmed, constantly communicate with others around you, so you all have better SA.
Fly something with cannons, P51 is a good bird but compared to cannon armed planes it's guns are weak.
To be able to kill and survive you need SA, Gunnery and intellect, ACM comes a long 4th.
Finally try to break the Spit addiction, people fly them only because they are so forgiving and easy to fly in AH, they are no threat and can be attacked or left in the dust at will, bleating frustation about everyone being "scared" - here's a newsflash, we're not scared we just think you not very bright.
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Originally posted by Schaden
and in answer to the question...think about setting up a situation where you are in control, where your enemy or enemies react to you and where you have the advantages and they do not.
It helps to be able to hit your target at d600 and to be able to set up that snapshot in under 2 seconds, so you need to practice fine control of the plane to get the correct target picture as fast as possible.
If you can get your gunnery into the 10% to 15% range with few assists and more kills it also helps.
Know when to break off and regroup either singly when you find you are losing E or you SA is becoming overwhelmed, constantly communicate with others around you, so you all have better SA.
Fly something with cannons, P51 is a good bird but compared to cannon armed planes it's guns are weak.
To be able to kill and survive you need SA, Gunnery and intellect, ACM comes a long 4th.
Finally try to break the Spit addiction, people fly them only because they are so forgiving and easy to fly in AH, they are no threat and can be attacked or left in the dust at will, bleating frustation about everyone being "scared" - here's a newsflash, we're not scared we just think you not very bright.
It's a video game , it was designed for people to have fun. It's not a life or death struggle ;)
Some people have fun furballing some folks have fun Bnz'ing. Some do both. each to their own.
Some folks even believe that somehow what they are doing is empathizing with and emulating the guys that did it for real with their lives on the line. How funny is that ;)
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Originally posted by Schaden
People play this game for a variety of reasons, some, knowing that they will never be able to experience WW2 fighter combat try to use the game as a simulation of what happened 60 years ago so that in some small way they might have a taste of what it was like for those pilots who had to live through it for real.
My death is not something I give away lightly, I try to kill and survive, I try to use actual tactics from WW2, I probably spend far too much time and money on books about WW2 aircraft and the men that flew them.
If you think the epitome of skill is flopping around the DA at zero feet in a Spit V and all you can do is kill, die, kill, die, kill die ad nauseam fine, not very bright, no sense of history, lacking empathy gamey little bottom feeders....not for me.
LOL I would guess I could go for days on the history having been at WW2 history for almost 40 years, having started building my own library of books on it back in grade school.
I have a great sense of the history. At the same time, it is nothing more then a game that lets me pretend. Until death is real and all the elements of the game are real, I'm going to play to have fun.
If I fly in a scenario where I have one life you bet I'll play it safer, but until then it's going to be down and dirty wherever the fight is, cause planes are free as are lives.
BUT! Don't use history as your justification or claim that my lack of understanding of it is the reason I don't play the GAME the way you do.
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
That wasn't any kind of amazing or special flying
Ive gotta call BS on that statement. :)
When I look at a players score I look at two things, Kills/Sortie, Kills/hour. Kills/Death is not an indicator of anything important if it is paired with a low K/S or K/hour other than that the person is careful (timid).
I dont really keep track of it, but if I dont kill at least 1 (preferably 2) each time I up I consider it a failed sortie. Upping at capped bases and fighting at the bottom of furballs makes that hard to do for me, but that is my general goal.
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Exactly, Guppy and Redd.
My death is not something I give away lightly, I try to kill and survive, I try to use actual tactics from WW2, I probably spend far too much time and money on books about WW2 aircraft and the men that flew them.
If you think the epitome of skill is flopping around the DA at zero feet in a Spit V and all you can do is kill, die, kill, die, kill die ad nauseam fine, not very bright, no sense of history, lacking empathy gamey little bottom feeders....not for me.
LOL Thats all well that is how you like to play, then by all means its your money and you should enjoy it the way you like. But honestly to slam everyone else that don't fly like you is weak! I could make many of the same derogatory points you made about people that fly safe, pretending they are the real deal, sitting on their perch, never taking a risk, clawing dearly to their make believe game life, many times the most boring people to run into and fight types.
And your whole realism pitch doesn't float either. The G forces alone would probably keep 80% of the people online out of a real fighter cockpit.
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If you think the epitome of skill is flopping around the DA at zero feet in a Spit V and all you can do is kill, die, kill, die, kill die ad nauseam fine, not very bright, no sense of history, lacking empathy gamey little bottom feeders....not for me.
hehe:)
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Originally posted by kj714
First off this is not a bait, flame, disguised anything... it's an honest question!
You guys who get 5, 6, 7 + to 1 k/d ratios, how do ya do it?
I'm pretty thrilled when I get to 1 to 1 or so, and I know I'm on the lower end of the scale of pilotry skills, but dang thats a lot.
Granted I'll have days when I land a bunch and don't die much, but that's usually followed by a day or two of just getting splattered for some reason (it's a real pattern). I don't up capped bases, not hopelessly capped anyway, I'll give it a shot if it's only few and maybe they've wandered a bit from the field, (yes I fall for that everytime!:) )
Speak up, give up some hints, they'd be much appreciated!
Like any video game, which is all this is, practice.
In just about 3 months I'm just a few shy of 2:1 k/d, which is'nt 'good' relative to the better gamers.. but it hasn't taken a whole lot extra thinking to get there... just practice & learning the in's and outs of the games rules.
I quickly learned that while riding your imaginary plane down to the Eath in a ball of flames is the popular 'manly' thing to do... same as taking on 5 LA's in a P40.. it screws up your score in the end.
One thing that's improved my k/D alot is bailing out, even after being shot out of the sky a capture or successful bail isn't a death. If I'm shot to hell and being chased; bail. If I'm out numbered and it looks like I can't run; bail. Someone gets a cheap proxy kill and I don't get a needless death.
No, it isn't popular.. but when you start being concerned with what's popular and what's not.. you'll lose sight of staying alive. If a head on, running or bailing will get you landed, do it and just laugh at the ch:200 crybabies.
..but here's a 'trick' that's helped me see more.
Get in your plane, zoom in on the sight as far as you can... take a Sharpie marker and place a pin sized dot on your screen at the center of your sight.
Zoom out, "Page up" then F10 to save your head posisition... you'll no longer be able to see your sight, but can use the dot on your screen as your aim point... you'll get a few extra inches of unobstructed forward view.
No worries, the dot washes right off with a little moisture and a paper towel... if you're ghetto a drop of beer and your dirty underware works too.
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Lol schaden! Now i understand why you were so upset with me when i called someone timid on ch200. I didn't realise timidty is a way of life for you.:D
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Originally Posted by:x0847Marine
Like any video game, which is all this is, practice.
In just about 3 months I'm just a few shy of 2:1 k/d, which is'nt 'good' relative to the better gamers.. but it hasn't taken a whole lot extra thinking to get there... just practice & learning the in's and outs of the games rules.
I quickly learned that while riding your imaginary plane down to the Eath in a ball of flames is the popular 'manly' thing to do... same as taking on 5 LA's in a P40.. it screws up your score in the end.
One thing that's improved my k/D alot is bailing out, even after being shot out of the sky a capture or successful bail isn't a death. If I'm shot to hell and being chased; bail. If I'm out numbered and it looks like I can't run; bail. Someone gets a cheap proxy kill and I don't get a needless death.
No, it isn't popular.. but when you start being concerned with what's popular and what's not.. you'll lose sight of staying alive. If a head on, running or bailing will get you landed, do it and just laugh at the ch:200 crybabies.
..but here's a 'trick' that's helped me see more.
Get in your plane, zoom in on the sight as far as you can... take a Sharpie marker and place a pin sized dot on your screen at the center of your sight.
Zoom out, "Page up" then F10 to save your head posisition... you'll no longer be able to see your sight, but can use the dot on your screen as your aim point... you'll get a few extra inches of unobstructed forward view.
No worries, the dot washes right off with a little moisture and a paper towel... if you're ghetto a drop of beer and your dirty underware works too.
WOW - Marine, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you were or are a Marine and thus doing so I would ask you...
If you asked someone how to get through the Marine Core and they said "Fake It" and you'll be fine. What would you be thinking.
If I'm out numbered and it looks like I can't run; bail. Someone gets a cheap proxy kill and I don't get a needless death.
This is completely weak!!! First you are running rather than fighting your way out. Second, your advice is to bail so as not to get killed accepting the once and a while a proxy is the worst it gets. Holy Fk dude have you no self respect? You actually think this is advice. I'm not trying to be a Dik but dude are you seriouse.
Honestly this is a perfect example of how score is totally useless. The fact that this kind of behavior is reflected with any positive benefit is total proof of that.
So Marine if your score is great, but you can't fight you way out of a papper bag, how good are you. If that is all you need to feel like you are on e of the Top Guns your in for a let down.
The funny thing about this community is that no matter what, the good sticks are known because they will make the fight interesting, they will turn a bad situation into a good one, they will fly you to a point where you have lost all your advantages and now you are the hunted. They won't run when out nuimbered because they have "Practiced" as you mentioned to turn those situations into a winning scenario. Those are the Top Guns.
How hard did you practice if when challenged you bail, in order to save face and puff up your score.
As you said the only way to get better is practice and constantly put yourself in positions where you lose, so that you will sooner or later realize what you are doing wrong and be able to adjust and learn how to win in those situations.
Bailing out when things get tough is not advice on how to get better it is only advice on how to pretend you are good.
I am not saying this to be an arse and start a fight with you, I am saying this because what you described is one of the worst kind of game play there is and a reason to revamp the whole score system and bring back any credibility in it.
When I am most frustrated, doing stupid things and getting my arse handed to me, I try to keep in mind that... For every fight I lose, some one else had just had fun and enjoyed themselves. This attitude, while it doesn't work a lot of the time, allows me to
at least keep in mind that dying will only allow me to get better.
I can say this, because when I was a perch sitter I was ok, but I knew if I got off my perch I wasn't that good. That is when I decided that to survive I needed to be able to win in situations where the odds were not in my favor. I.e 3 V 1 4 or 5 V 1. Once I started to win some of these I started getting to the next level.
I am by no means great at this game, there are alot of guys at least as good or better than me, but one thing I know is that being good has nothing to do with score and everything to do with how you fight and how you lose.
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QUOTE@@@ I suffer from the same fate. The key, from my point of view, is don't even look at the stats.
If you are having fun, that's all that matters. The second I start looking at K/D, it makes me think about flying more timid and not diving into the pile with my 38G.
While I die ALOT in that big target on the deck in the mob, it's much more fun then waiting for the perfect opportunity to get a kill.
So I live by my F/D ratio. That being fun to death ratio
Dan/CorkyJr@@@@
daMIG shows up on lots of your killboards. I hope that I have a good rep, and I rather fite to fite, climb to help me wingie, and vultch ruthlessly whenever I get the chance!! :D
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i think good SA is the key. all the acm in the world dont mean squat if you dont know he is there. :aok
and i fly to have fun, part of that fun is landing( for me any way). i dont fly with the intent of being kilt, but i wont run from a good fight either, unless im low fuel, ammo or pilot wouned, in which case, sorry, if i can get out, i do. now, i do prefer the advantages, but will fight from disadvantage if so called for, but i dont go try to fight from disadvantage. point being, do you own thing and have fun doing it.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
One thing that's improved my k/D alot is bailing out, even after being shot out of the sky a capture or successful bail isn't a death. If I'm shot to hell and being chased; bail. If I'm out numbered and it looks like I can't run; bail. Someone gets a cheap proxy kill and I don't get a needless death.
lmao too funny
A good enough reason for me to start killing chutes (just in case one of them is you) - look out little hanging guys , get those 45's out
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One thing that's improved my k/D alot is bailing out, even after being shot out of the sky a capture or successful bail isn't a death. If I'm shot to hell and being chased; bail. If I'm out numbered and it looks like I can't run; bail. Someone gets a cheap proxy kill and I don't get a needless death.
This is wrong in so many ways.
Let me just say one thing.
Newbs like you, saying the kind of crap you just said, makes me realize why there aren't as many "good" fights anymore as there used to be.
No. Not because you bail out when being chased. (btw, a proxie kill is still a kill and it still hurts your presious score.)Bailing out like that will do nothing to improve your ability as a player. Guys like you should fly C47s and resuply my base. Or fly a bomber at 35k and be alone in the clouds where no one will bother to come shoot you down.
Your statement tells me one thing. You have no will to learn. When I say learn I mean become a better stick. Become more capable in fighters... Furthermore, why the hell do you even play the game if you are going to pull that kind of crap? This sort of "runaway with your one life to live" mentality is growing ever stronger these days. Sad...
Is it dying that you dont like?(obviously) The absolute only way you are going to get better in this game is to make mistakes and die, die alot, and in the end, hopefuly when you assess your deaths/mistakes you learn from them.
Some chump bailing out because hes about to be out numberd or is in a bad place, is just that... A Chump.
But good for you I guess. I'm sure you've learned a whole lot more than me in your three months here. What the hell do I know anyways.
:aok
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If you really want to learn how to get to the next level in ACM..stay away from MA and fly as much as you can in the DA.
Always film on so you can replay and learn(and steal moves)
Learn to Double Immel
Learn to rope
Learn correct merge speed in a HurriC
etc..
My point is you'll learn a lot more,a lot faster flying DA with someone who is a better stik than if you tool around in MA flying 190doras worrying about your K/D
and you'll have more fun in the MA as well with your improved acm.
Redd
Nomak
Bigmax
Sniper
Urchin
any of those guys will not only hand you ur prettythang...they'll ease the pain by helpin ya out afterwards.
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In the MA, skill has much less to do with KD ratio than insane patience and flying a fast plane. Unlike real life, there are pleanty of people in the MA that will chase you down to kill you....even if it means certain death to them......
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In the MA, skill has much less to do with KD ratio than insane patience and flying a fast plane. Unlike real life, there are pleanty of people in the MA that will chase you down to kill you....even if it means certain death to them......
To a certain degree Alf, but if thats skill than what do you call the guys that fly around in the slow stuff on the deck that usually make it home with scalps?
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Originally posted by mars01
what do you call the guys that fly around in the slow stuff on the deck that usually make it home with scalps?
hordemonkeys, albeit skilled ones.
:aok
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LOL, you mean Horde Bait hahahaha:D
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Originally posted by Schaden
Try to use the game as a simulation of what happened 60 years ago so that in some small way they might have a taste of what it was like for those pilots who had to live through it for real.
Ok so Try This than (http://anfdownloads.abercrombie.com/aftv/archive/dogfight.wmv)
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Originally posted by iKo
Ok so Try This than (http://anfdownloads.abercrombie.com/aftv/archive/dogfight.wmv)
Very Kewl!:cool:
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Before everybody piles on Marine, he's bailing thinking it helps his k/d score.
I think there's a thread in here somewhere that HT explained that anything other than a successful landing actually dings you on the k/d ratio. Maybe I'm wrong, but I could swear I remember that.
Just misinformed is all, I think, but it's an easy mistake to make. I think a less confusing but correct term would be "kills/failure to RTB", but that's not very glamorous is it? Once again, maybe I'm wrong but I really think HT said it like that once.
Thanks for the thoughts, several people I think of as good pilots have contributed.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Alternatively, if you want a high K/D just fly a Tempest.
I think before I started getting bored and flying into bad odds in one last tour, my max K/D ratio in the Tempest was 50:1 (and K/S of 9:1). That wasn't any kind of amazing or special flying; I have no doubt anybody else could put up the same numbers in the plane if they put their mind to it. It really is that good.
-- Todd/Leviathn
hehehe, that 50:1 wouldnt happen to be fom a hoing little bastige IL2 would it? :D
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Originally posted by mechanic
hehehe, that 50:1 wouldnt happen to be fom a hoing little bastige IL2 would it? :D
Nah, that was way, way late in the game where one death had almost no effect on my K/D ratio. Mostly five inch guns played havoc with that 50:1, but it's all good. Can't say I can complain about the final tally. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I kept going back in and kept dying, but if I'm going to get better, taking a chance against the best has to help a little.
You might find it more beneficial to get some tactical training. Most often going up against someone and dying doesn't really tell you what you are doing wrong or what he is doing right. All you know is he managed to somehow get around on you for a shot. You may never know why he's doing it until you learn tactics.
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screw tactics just get your nose pointed at him at short range as fast you can :D
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Originally posted by Schaden
People play this game for a variety of reasons, some, knowing that they will never be able to experience WW2 fighter combat try to use the game as a simulation of what happened 60 years ago so that in some small way they might have a taste of what it was like for those pilots who had to live through it for real.
My death is not something I give away lightly, I try to kill and survive, I try to use actual tactics from WW2, I probably spend far too much time and money on books about WW2 aircraft and the men that flew them.
If you think the epitome of skill is flopping around the DA at zero feet in a Spit V and all you can do is kill, die, kill, die, kill die ad nauseam fine, not very bright, no sense of history, lacking empathy gamey little bottom feeders....not for me.
My sentiments exactly...
To put this in another, gentler perspective. Flying in as realistic a way as the 'game' allows requires you fly intellegently. While I have much respect for the Levi's of our little world in his Spit V killing them does not involve out-smarting them usually. Killing someone who chooses not to fly smart/realistically simply requires you catch them unaware if possible, out-fly them innately or by virtue of plane match-up, have good aim and get a good snap-shot in, or gang-bang them. However, if you kill someone like myself who devotes much time, energy and thought to flying as realistically/intellegently as possible you have not only out-flown me and/or out-gunnery'ed me, but you have out-witted me, not quite such an easy task.
I would never suggest one way is better than another, and there is always a constant compromise between flying smart and maximizing your killing effectiveness per unit time invested in the game as some have alluded to, that is part of your overall SA. There are times I will happily engage 1 vs. 5, it's just a matter of weighing the variables as they will likely effect the outcome and flying in an intelligent manner, that is knowing how to exploit your plane to its maximum advantage and knowing when to egress, discretion being the better part of valor...
Apart from my penchant for realism and history of WW2 Air combat the biggest factor that influeces the way I fly is AW. In AW there was a message in the text buffer when someone shot you down and that person that shot you down had you on his 'recent kills list' and you had them on your 'who killed you last' box. It became a game unto itself to see how long in a camp I could go with noone in my 'who killed you last' box on my scorecard. When people killed me they knew they had achieved something few ever did, there are people I flew against for ten years that lusted after my pelt but never got it (and not thru lack of effort, they just never out-smarted me), adding sweetness to my killing of them over and over...That is to say while 'ass in the grass' 'duck n' weave' is short-term fun, no doubt, there is some very real long-term satisfaction in being not only an effective killer but an ultra-rare bird to knock down as well.
Zazen
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My sentiments exactly...
i didnt see anything about sitting in an ostie in that post?!:confused:
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so you start of by saying each person has their own way then you finish by slamming people who play for fun, not to 'simulate thier heroes'
you want to simulate your heroes then how about you try and attack a flight of 300 B17s escorted by 150 P51? hmmmm, oh yeah you'd run away, then be court marshalled.
how many WW2 pilots would have the liberty of flying solo at 20k and cherry picking countless foe from under their comrades noses?
you really need to get off the high horse before it bucks you into gheysville.
fly how you want but dont think that BnZing cons that are way lower and already engaged makes you superior to folk who are prepared to give and take.
selfish pilots in AH are the ones that never let themself get killed, this is the only flying style i hate with a passion....
the pathetic 'run away unless you can win 100% for sure'....how little you know about flying and ACM when you fly like this is humurous to me.
and also this type of attitude is nothing but disruptive.
its not just spits on the deck that can furball and mix it up. any plane can do it if a little time is taken to learn how.
Oh, and btw, your bf109 can do some pretty neat moves if you go slower than 450mph. although that could mean dying a few times to learn how to use the plane.
WTFG on being a perfect model of a WW2 luft pilot though, the resemblance is striking, give that man the blue max..........
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by killnu
i didnt see anything about sitting in an ostie in that post?!:confused:
I choose to spend a good fraction of my game time in the Ostwind for several reasons:
1) I am very, very good at it, possibly the best in the game.
1a) When you are very, very good at something, possibly the best, it's fun.
1c) It's fun for me.
2) I hate vulchers, I think of vulching as spawn-camping planes with planes, I refuse to vulch myself, and endeavor to make vulching as painfull as possible for those that do.
3) Because I am so good in an Ostwind I can single-handedly turn a vulch-banging hordefest into a rousing defensive victory for my side, just ask a few Rooks.
4) From a strict effectiveness persepective I can kill 2 to 3 times as many enemy aircraft per unit time in an Ostwind as I could with a plane in the same situation with alot less risk.
5) If this bothers you or you do not approve, feel free to call 1-800-KISS-MYASS and lodge a formal complaint. :aok
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
3) Because I am so good in an Ostwind I can single-handedly turn a vulch-banging hordefest into a rousing defensive victory for my side, just ask a few Rooks.
so can alot of flok in their favorite plane, just they sometimes sacrifice a few deaths to get up.
I know my squaddies and countrymen have turned around a vulchfest in our puny spits/zekes/IL-2/b26s/whatevers, and amazingly enough none of us claim to be 'possibly the best in the game' at it.......
I not bashing your game merely defending mine (primarily from schadenflussie)
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Originally posted by mechanic
so you start of by saying each person has their own way then you finish by slamming people who play for fun, not to 'simulate thier heroes'
you want to simulate your heroes then how about you try and attack a flight of 300 B17s escorted by 150 P51? hmmmm, oh yeah you'd run away, then be court marshalled.
how many WW2 pilots would have the liberty of flying solo at 20k and cherry picking countless foe from under their comrades noses?
you really need to get off the high horse before it bucks you into gheysville.
fly how you want but dont think that BnZing cons that are way lower and already engaged makes you superior to folk who are prepared to give and take.
selfish pilots in AH are the ones that never let themself get killed, this is the only flying style i hate with a passion....
the pathetic 'run away unless you can win 100% for sure'....how little you know about flying and ACM when you fly like this is humurous to me.
and also this type of attitude is nothing but disruptive.
its not just spits on the deck that can furball and mix it up. any plane can do it if a little time is taken to learn how.
Oh, and btw, your bf109 can do some pretty neat moves if you go slower than 450mph. although that could mean dying a few times to learn how to use the plane.
WTFG on being a perfect model of a WW2 luft pilot though, the resemblance is striking, give that man the blue max..........
:rolleyes:
I cannot speak for every suvivalist but... There is the mis-conception that flying intelligently is equal to ONLY Bnz'ing. This is not the case at all. Flying intelligently means knowing when, where, how to engage and when, how, where to dis-engage. You can fly intelligently in a slow plane, even a low plane, your margin of error will be less, but it's not a matter of what moves you perform but how, when and where you perform them. Flying intelligently is more of a what NOT to do exercise than a what to ONLY do exercise, I will try to sum it up.
1) DO NOT turn more than 90 degrees with a plane that can easily out-turn you. (achieve vertical seperation for an energy saving position reset, rope, or altitude egress as the situation demands)
2) DO NOT run from a plane that is faster than you. (stay and fight to the death, the more protracted the fight the greater your advantage will become as you likely have a turn-rate advantage)
3) DO NOT engage multiple cons (single cons are fine so long as you kill quickly to preserve your SA) with enemy cons above you within visual range. (you are a cherry waiting to be picked if you do, top-shelf SA and/or TrackIR not-with-standing)
4) Kill using the top down method, suck down those cons higher than you if possible, then kill from co-alt on down.
5) Always have a visual geographic reference point for your path of egress, not just a direction but a mountain or some geographic feature you can recognize in the heat of the moment without having to look at your guages.
6) DO NOT play with your food, endeavor to kill as quickly as possible, time is the enemy, the longer you spend on a target the greater the chance another bandit will find a hole in your SA and wack you. Cultivate your gunnery skill to the maximum.
7) NEVER get fixated on one enemy, especially in a furball, take a snap-shot, if he out-turns you more than 90 degrees, watch him but move to another target if you miss. In a furball go for the highest percentage shot that offers itself, obeying rules 1 & 2.
I guarentee if you follow these 7 rules you will never be restricted to just BnZ'ing and you will always have at least a 2 to 1 K/D ratio no matter what plane you choose to fly or how you choose to fly it, gunnery or lack thereof being your only limiting factor.
Zazen
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Originally posted by mechanic
so can alot of flok in their favorite plane, just they sometimes sacrifice a few deaths to get up.
I know my squaddies and countrymen have turned around a vulchfest in our puny spits/zekes/IL-2/b26s/whatevers, and amazingly enough none of us claim to be 'possibly the best in the game' at it.......
I not bashing your game merely defending mine (primarily from schadenflussie)
Yup, in my Ostwind I have seen many Rooks who make a career of doing just what you describe. I would rather gouge my eyes out with a wooden spoon as get vulched so I will not do that myself, but I respect those that do. Without them, I would have no real reason to kick bellybutton in my Ostwind, it's a unique interdependant relationship.
Zazen
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If u want big k/t up a la7 on a attacked airbase with reasonable defence.
U win this game by seting ur own goals and improve them.
Fly what u what and have fun and land ur kills.
Making kills and not land them is a failure to me.
When i am in the p38 i alaways take 100% feul i fly my style on the feul state.
At 100 % BnZ below 50% its TnB time.
Anyway i have all moods. Don't label it.
I have been in fights with high ranked pilots and won em .
I have fights with low ranked pilots who kicked my ass.
KT depends alot on ur gunnery the best pilots mostly have good gunnery missing the opportunity often gives u a disadvantage position.
It all tells nothing
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I cannot speak for every suvivalist but... ~
Zazen
these rules are almost how i fly anyhow, expect i dont negate myself from flying into bad odds.
i wont ever run when i have ammo.
i will always engage any number of cons high or low, and often still make it home.
do you really think that just because i fly a slow plane at low alt i actually intend to die rather than make it home?
what i object too is the guy who runs from a co-E fight, especailly when he started higher and lost his adv.
why not at least try to turn the fight back around instead of just bugging out with all the grace and dignity of M. Jackson?
surely its better to die trying to get the kill rather than land with nothing?
sometimes you might suprise yourself.
I can take a Chog up and E fight and take home 6 kills no problem.
but if i find myself in chit, i find it more satisfying to shoot down one guy then be cherry picked rather than land those 6 with no challenge to my saftey.
i suppose it all comes down to weather you were the kind of kid that had fights and smoke ciggys behind the bike shed at school or the type that sat in the library and studied advanced accounts to prepare for later life in saftey.
im not catagorising you zazen, or anyone *disclaimer*
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Originally posted by Morpheus
This is wrong in so many ways.
Let me just say one thing.
Newbs like you, saying the kind of crap you just said, makes me realize why there aren't as many "good" fights anymore as there used to be.
No. Not because you bail out when being chased. (btw, a proxie kill is still a kill and it still hurts your presious score.)Bailing out like that will do nothing to improve your ability as a player. Guys like you should fly C47s and resuply my base. Or fly a bomber at 35k and be alone in the clouds where no one will bother to come shoot you down.
Your statement tells me one thing. You have no will to learn. When I say learn I mean become a better stick. Become more capable in fighters... Furthermore, why the hell do you even play the game if you are going to pull that kind of crap? This sort of "runaway with your one life to live" mentality is growing ever stronger these days. Sad...
Is it dying that you dont like?(obviously) The absolute only way you are going to get better in this game is to make mistakes and die, die alot, and in the end, hopefuly when you assess your deaths/mistakes you learn from them.
Some chump bailing out because hes about to be out numberd or is in a bad place, is just that... A Chump.
But good for you I guess. I'm sure you've learned a whole lot more than me in your three months here. What the hell do I know anyways.
:aok
I really gotta comment on this.
My only answer to all the crap you just spouted above is you don't know a whole lot, after all. If the guy pays his money who the hell are you to tell him what he should do with his game play. If he wants to bail thats his business. Who died an made you God over what new guys do in the game that you can condemn them for playing the way they want to. That kinda crap makes me sick to my stomach. Get off your high horse and help them instead of whining about how they are chumps for playing the way they want to.
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Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by mechanic
these rules are almost how i fly anyhow, expect i dont negate myself from flying into bad odds.
i wont ever run when i have ammo.
i will always engage any number of cons high or low, and often still make it home.
do you really think that just because i fly a slow plane at low alt i actually intend to die rather than make it home?
what i object too is the guy who runs from a co-E fight, especailly when he started higher and lost his adv.
why not at least try to turn the fight back around instead of just bugging out with all the grace and dignity of M. Jackson?
surely its better to die trying to get the kill rather than land with nothing?
sometimes you might suprise yourself.
I can take a Chog up and E fight and take home 6 kills no problem.
but if i find myself in chit, i find it more satisfying to shoot down one guy then be cherry picked rather than land those 6 with no challenge to my saftey.
i suppose it all comes down to weather you were the kind of kid that had fights and smoke ciggys behind the bike shed at school or the type that sat in the library and studied advanced accounts to prepare for later life in saftey.
im not catagorising you zazen, or anyone *disclaimer*
I approach this game as a mental exercise in tactics and strategy, some approach it as an outlet for excess testosterone. Neither way is the 'wrong' way, it's just what the individual finds most fun and rewarding personally. Do whatever it is that keeps you paying HTC. For me it is inflicting maximum losses upon my enemy while sustaining minimum losses myself. For you it's different, to each their own. That's what makes AH so great, there's literally hundreds of ways to enjoy oneself, enough to suit everyone's style and personality.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I approach this game as a mental exercise in tactics and strategy, some approach it as an outlet for excess testosterone. Neither way is the right way, it's just what the indivdual finds most fun and rewarding personally. Do whatever it is that keeps you paying HTC. For me it is inflicting maximum losses upon my enemy while sustaining minimum losses myself. For you it's different, to each their own. That's what makes AH so great, there's literally hundreds of ways to enjoy oneself, enough to suit everyone's style and personality.
Zazen
you're dead wrong.
its all about max kills for min deaths for me also, i just like to be challenged when achiveing this goal rather than be bored ****tless for 30 mins for 10 seconds of 'fun' as i cherry pick some poor sap.
to say (it wasnt you who did) that a low alt TnBer has less wits than a BnZ cherry picker is the most obscene thing i have ever heard.
does Leviathn strike you as being low IQ?
explain how super fast reflexes and the knoledge of exactly what to do in any bad sitution does not convey intelect....
infact i'd say the smart guys are the ones who are able to fight and win in near impossible circumstances.
i say again, do you really think the guy who flies into a 5 on 1 intends to die, or do you suppose he holds the same view as you in wanting to kill them and not die merely challenging/improving himself more in the process.
I feel confident I could kick your *** in any plane you choose in a DA fight.
purely because of these diverse opinion differences of a 'good fight' or 'fun sortie'.
care to test that?
I ask you this one thing:
when was the last time you had a 'good fight'? infact when was the last time you had a 'fight' at all?
timid flying but super k/d......... *YYAAAAAAAAAWN*
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Originally posted by mechanic
you're dead wrong.
its all about max kills for min deaths for me also, i just like to be challenged when achiveing this goal rather than be bored ****tless for 30 mins for 10 seconds of 'fun' as i cherry pick some poor sap.
i say again, do you really think the guy who flies into a 5 on 1 intends to die, or do you suppose he holds the same view as you in wanting to kill them and not die merely challenging/improving himself more in the process.
I feel confident I could kick your *** in any plane you choose in a DA fight.
purely because of these diverse opinion differences of a 'good fight' or 'fun sortie'.
care to test that?
Sorry, I refrain my noodle-measuring with disgruntled detractors with an axe to grind. I prefer the random serendipitous encounters in the MA to prove my mettle, we will meet soon enough if fate sees fit, if/when we do it will be your MA tactics & strategy vs. mine. :cool:
Zazen
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you can lose the 'cool' smiley bro, it doesnt fit.
we will never meet in the Ma simply because you will never let yourself be at the disadvantage were i can shoot at you, and I will never let your feeble bore n' zzzz attacks come near me.
therefore we will never get that kill msg and find out it was each other fighting .
unless of course you cherry pick me when im totaly distracted by many other fair fights. then it will only proove how lame you must go to get the kill msg.
so what you're telling me is rather than fight and see who flies better, purely for fun, you would 'grind your axe' and 'use up your surplus testosterone' by using stupid words that no one understands as if it makes you seem clever?
oh, i forgot, you use your testosterone supplies becoming and maintaining the 'probably the best osti shooter in the game' tag.
my bad.
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Originally posted by mechanic
you can lose the 'cool' smiley bro, it doesnt fit.
so what you're telling me is rather than fight and see who flies better, purely for fun, you would 'grind your axe' and 'use up your surplus testosterone' by using stupid words that no one understands as if it makes you seem clever?
I wasn't trying to sound 'clever'. I guess I only sound 'clever' to those who are.....not...:aok
Zazen
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i'll take it as my victory then as you refuse to fight fair.
200 hundred years ago i would slap you with a glove and then shoot you from 10 paces :aok :cool: :D ;) :rofl :mad: :p
bet my dad's IQ is better than your dad's
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Originally posted by mechanic
i'll take it as my victory then as you refuse to fight fair.
200 hundred years ago i would slap you with a glove and then shoot you from 10 paces :aok :cool: :D ;) :rofl :mad: :p
bet my dad's IQ is better than your dad's
You take it in any way you like. It's not personal. I don't do 'fights in a box' (DA) with anyone for noodle measuring purposes. For me the DA is a training tool to be used with friends and/or squadmates for educational purposes, you are niether...
Zazen
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i got a girl who takes care of all my noodle issues thanks.
i am asking you to fight me for scientific purposes, to see which style provides the bearer with more overall dogfighting skill.
obviously you're quite smart yourself and therefore already know the outcome......
please believe me when i say, i have nothing to proove to you or anyone.
and this isnt personal, i kinda think you're ok.
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Originally posted by mechanic
please believe me when i say, i have nothing to proove to you or anyone.
Sure you do, you said so yourself. I, however, have nothing to prove. My posts are constructive and directly relate to the original questions posed by the original poster of this thread. Your posts are derogatory, inflamatory and a weak attempt to goad those who disagree with you or hold a diamterically opposed view into engaging in some sort of contrived contest to 'prove' something, what I have no clue...In any event I'm not interested, Have a nice day! :aok
Zazen
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sorry zaz if i touched a nerve. just bugs me when somebody who admittedly sits in gv majority of time comments on how somebody else flies a plane. its your dime, play how ya want. nothing personal with you or how you play, just one of those things that urks me.
i dont understand your beef with the da thing tho? well, i guess i do, maybe. you dont like DA fights, so you dont fly in them? you prefer to have alt adv.and/or numbers, not 1vs1 coalt? da does not have to be about measuring manhoods, just can be about fun, and that is what its about. like you have said.
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'I' have nothing to proove of my own 'skill level'
what i am interestd in assertaining is if 'survivalist' flying is more likely to dominate ACM and hours of practice avoiding these survivalists.
i'm willing to bet money that even with a 5k alt advantage you could never lay a round on a pilot who flies for the adrenilin of the furball.
you talk about you tactics in furballs.
if you sit up high and cherry pick people in a furball, you are not furballing. you are cherry picking in a weak and dishonourable manner.
IMO.
you say you have nothing to proove, yet you continue to exclaim how super you are at killing without dying.
I am willing to put substance behind my argument, yet you say your words as if you already beat every 'pilot' in AH2 in a fair one on one fight.
we are talking about a dogfighting game here arnt we?
if two snooker/golf/chess players disagree on how to play, yet one refuses to proove his argument on the table/course/board which would you believe in more? the challenger or the coward?
I having nothing to proove, and nothing to lose.
you have everything to proove, and everything to lose.
I only want to find out which method works best, you maintain that your method is more intelligent and ultimately will always win.
if we fight and niether can shoot each other down but in the end you have to run to survive, then again i consider that a victory to my style as my enemy has gone home and poses no threat to my airfield/home land/family.
this is the sole reason you refuse to 'compare noodle size'
if you have nothing to proove why must you avoid a situation where your self proclaimed godly status may be disputed?
i say you have everything to proove or your words here mean squat.
i thank you for you kind gesture of desirering my day to be a 'nice' one, i will do my best to follow your advice.
you have a nice one too.
the simple fact here when we get down to reality is, just like your MA flying, you have spotted a situation where you are not 100% sure of a victory, and therefore you run away tail between legs. excelent work on here mate, you rtb'ed with minimal damage, only trouble being you left me flying with barely an elevator missing
PS: this is not a flame war HT, please do not lock this thread. I like zazy and i know he fancies my sister. we're best buds in reality ;)
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I don't do 'fights in a box' (DA) with anyone for noodle measuring purposes. For me the DA is a training tool to be used with friends and/or squadmates for educational purposes, you are niether...
I remember back in AW when you dueled to settle a dispute. Seems to me in AH, that the above is most peoples opinion of it. I laugh my butt off when I'm in MA and two guys are arguing, one say's lets go to the DA and he gets this response. Then, to my shock and amazement, many people begins to make fun of the challanger, calling him a chest thumping dweeb and the DA doesn't prove who the better pilot is?! Nothing better proves who the better pilot is than a 1vs1 fight with everything being equal. Seems now, all people want to do is run their mouths and not back it up. I think most are just to afraid to lose face and have to admit that someone beat them, I dunno, kinda makes me---> :(
Disclaimer: I used Zazen's quote but I am not accusing him of being one of these types. I've seen him mix it up below 5k in a P51 with cons overhead. He's even saved my butt a few times so I can vouch for him. Some truely do only use the DA for training and fun. What I stated above is for the guys who talk trash, get challanged and then refuse.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I remember back in AW when you dueled to settle a dispute. Seems to me in AH, that the above is most peoples opinion of it. I laugh my butt off when I'm in MA and two guys are arguing, one say's lets go to the DA and he gets this response. Then, to my shock and amazement, many people begins to make fun of the challanger, calling him a chest thumping dweeb and the DA doesn't prove who the better pilot is?! Nothing better proves who the better pilot is than a 1vs1 fight with everything being equal. Seems now, all people want to do is run their mouths and not back it up. I think most are just to afraid to lose face and have to admit that someone beat them, I dunno, kinda makes me---> :(
Disclaimer: I used Zazen's quote but I am not accusing him of being one of these types. I've seen him mix it up below 5k in a P51 with cons overhead. He's even saved my butt a few times so I can vouch for him. Some truely do only use the DA for training and fun. What I stated above is for the guys who talk trash, get challanged and then refuse.
AMEN
i wasnt targeting Zazen at first either if you look back up the miles of text.
he took it personally, as maybe i did when someone called TnB'ing a past time of 'weak intelects', and ran off with his toys without proper closure of the matter.
can only assume he knows more than me and can predict the outcome.
im confident i can win any fight, but prooving it is whats makes the difference.
and losing gracefully.......
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Originally posted by SuperDud
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Disclaimer: I used Zazen's quote but I am not accusing him of being one of these types. I've seen him mix it up below 5k in a P51 with cons overhead. He's even saved my butt a few times so I can vouch for him. Some truely do only use the DA for training and fun. What I stated above is for the guys who talk trash, get challanged and then refuse.
Damnit SuperDud! Fourteen years of carefully cultivating my image as an exclusively high-alt cherry picker and you ruin it all in one post! You Bastard! Now instead of people hunting me in vein at 45k they are going to go where I really am, down low with my bellybutton in the grass killing their buddies and saving my teammates...:( Thanks alot...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Damnit SuperDud! Fourteen years of carefully cultivating my image as an exclusively high-alt cherry picker and you ruin it all in one post! You Bastard! Now instead of people hunting me in vein at 45k they are going to go where I really am, down low with my bellybutton in the grass killing their buddies and saving my teammates...:( Thanks alot...
Zazen
what a load of carefully crafted crapola.
after all that talk you now want me to believe you are infact a devil mare care, down in the watermelon furballer?
survivalist or fight junky? which one?
(edit: waiting for zazen to tell me he doesnt want 'me' to belive anything about him)
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Originally posted by mechanic
what a load of carefully crafted crapola.
after all that talk you now want me to believe you are infact a devil mare care, down in the watermelon furballer?
survivalist or fight junky? which one?
(edit: waiting for zazen to tell me he doesnt want 'me' to belive anything about him)
I'm both, they are not mutually exclusive as I've said. You can fight smart and low. It's a mindset not a restictive tactical dogma never to be stretched or even broken on occassion as tactical prudence and discretion dicates.
Zazen
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I think zazen is just trying to politely tell you that he kicks bellybutton with both styles of the game. Meaning he knows how to play the game right and you don't. Right?
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then shoot me down in the DA for fun. no rules, no alt limit, you can HO.
what is it to be :confused:
siaf, whats your ingame cpid?
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Why, you want to meet me in DA? ;)
I don't have an account atm. just occasionally fly at h2h.
I flew MA last time in 2002 actively.
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stfu up then ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm both, they are not mutually exclusive as I've said. You can fight smart and low. It's a mindset not a restictive tactical dogma never to be stretched or even broken on occassion as tactical prudence and discretion dicates.
Zazen
in that case why do you insist on saying i am not;
A) smart enough to fly like you
B) confident enough about my manhood, or lack of.
and that i am;
C) a "disgruntled detractor with an axe to grind"
look to the start of this, i simply wanted to beat you, or fail in trying in a FAIR fight.
when was your last fair fight?
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Originally posted by mechanic
in that case why do you insist on saying i am not;
A) smart enough to fly like you
B) confident enough about my manhood, or lack of.
and that i am;
C) a "disgruntled detractor with an axe to grind"
look to the start of this, i simply wanted to beat you, or fail in trying in a FAIR fight.
when was your last fair fight?
I have fair fights all the time. Just 20 minutes ago I beat a Yak with my P47D40 on the deck in a 1 on 1 turn-fight, I even had 100% internal fuel and a full ammoload...I won't name names but it was definately not a noob..
Ask Jozepi on Bish how his La7 faired 3 times in a row one night vs. my P51D, 1 vs. 1, down low co-alt/co-E. The truth will hurt...
Mechanic we will meet in similiar circumstances in good time, just be patient and be prepared to be suprised, that will be far more exciting than a 'fight in a box' in the DA. Things like this keeps me wanting to play. I look forward to the day we meet each other in the MA, whatever the outcome, and I will not say a word if I happen to spank your bare ass... :aok
Zazen
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Good Googa Mooga! :rofl
I SUCK, by far I am not the greatest pilot and I do not claim to be.
But this is funny. I love to hear disputes about fighting styles and whoom is better than whoom. Me personally, If they like to furball, let em'. If they like to fly tactfully and change with the flow of battle from one tactic to another, Let em' do it too. :aok
Oh well this is just my 2 cents and I will probably get blasted for it, but here it is.
:D
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Daddy ack im not trying to be the best pilot or claiming to be, just want to see how good zazen is.
Originally posted by Zazen13
I have fair fights all the time. Just 20 minutes ago I beat a Yak with my P47D40 on the deck in a 1 on 1 turn-fight, I even had 100% internal fuel and a full ammoload...I won't name names but it was definately not a noob..
Zazen
you mean to tell me you've been jumping from game to BB the whole time?
you are multi talented for sure.
fine, you wont go to DA even for a fun fight.
i dont believe we have ever fought each other and now it seems we never will.
so be it.
im out of this thread.
no point trying to make a point to someone with pointless chest thumping issues about pointless things like computer games.
whats the point?
i'll stop pointing fingures now.
no point
you get my point?
:p
Bat over and out of this now pointless debate for good.
S!
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Ren, I have helped many new people in the game. The only exception is, they wanted to learn. Guy like x00943792Marine clearly does not want to learn. If he did he would fight to the end and win or lose, would take away something from each and every fight.
Who the hell am I to say what someone can and cannot do with their money as they pay to play this game?
Simple. I'm not telling anyone how to play their game. I'm saying what I think of their chump tactics. Bailing because your at a disadvantage is a chump tactic. I'm very sorry for you if you cannot see that too but you may be one who has to learn the hard way.
You cant tell me that someone wants to learn and become better in this game when they are bailing out of their plane in situations that they may die in. And you cant tell me that trying to help this person will be of any use to him. Or I for that matter.
Why should I waste my time trying to help someone who is not yet ready to be helped? I wont.
The guys whome I've helped become better fighter pilots in the game know who they are. And I have every right to sit here and say what I think of this kind of chump flying. I've earned it.
You dont like that? Tough.
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Whew....
Why you are so fired up, I'll never know. You said
you do not care how they fly, therefore you should not
be upset by it. Please guys, let us realize that ultimately
one will do as one wishes with ones own money. Following this logic, if he wants to bail let him.
Eh, To me it is all irelevant:cool:
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Originally posted by killnu
sorry zaz if i touched a nerve. just bugs me when somebody who admittedly sits in gv majority of time comments on how somebody else flies a plane. its your dime, play how ya want. nothing personal with you or how you play, just one of those things that urks me.
i dont understand your beef with the da thing tho? well, i guess i do, maybe. you dont like DA fights, so you dont fly in them? you prefer to have alt adv.and/or numbers, not 1vs1 coalt? da does not have to be about measuring manhoods, just can be about fun, and that is what its about. like you have said.
Doesn't bother me, just stating why I enjoy the Ostwind. Kicking bellybutton in an Ostwind is just as much fun in its own way as doing so in a fighter, at which I am equally adept. It's just a different kind of fun. As far as the nature of my kills is concerned, I ain't picky. I'll take a kill any which way and let God sort 'em out....The only line I draw is with vulching, I will not vulch under any circumstances just on principle...
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Bailing in order to not get your arse kicked is the AH equivalent to the intentional auger or bail from back in the AW days, and IMO it is the most cowardly chicken sh*t yellow bellied thing I have seen in an online flight sim. If you can't handle the ego check of getting waxed by some guy, then this probably isn't the game for you. Trouble is, your kind seem to be the majority anymore. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Damnit SuperDud! Fourteen years of carefully cultivating my image as an exclusively high-alt cherry picker and you ruin it all in one post!
Zazen
Dont forget JEEP DRIVER:)
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Originally posted by Silat
Dont forget JEEP DRIVER:)
Lol Silat! <>
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Originally posted by kj714
You guys who get 5, 6, 7 + to 1 k/d ratios, how do ya do it?
Try to concentrate only on buff killing (goons are also allowed) ;)
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WOW now this post is entertainment don’t even need to fly :rofl
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Originally posted by Stang
Bailing in order to not get your arse kicked is the AH equivalent to the intentional auger or bail from back in the AW days, and IMO it is the most cowardly chicken sh*t yellow bellied thing I have seen in an online flight sim. If you can't handle the ego check of getting waxed by some guy, then this probably isn't the game for you. Trouble is, your kind seem to be the majority anymore. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Like it really matters what you think of anyone for not playing the game your way. If ya really gotta have it a certain way then go buy yer own football and set up the rules yer own way. Until then your comments are like 6's. Everyone's got one. Think of it like this. If you look in the mirror you have one guy who actually cares about what you say about how each person spends his money.
Ren
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Ren it has nothing to do with telling someone how to play as much as it has to do with telling them the way they think they should play is totally wrong.
If you condone bailing when the fight gets too tuff then you are just as bad as Marine and I can understand you fighting like it is ok.
Basically what you are saying is, it's his 14.95 if he wants to quit that is his perogative and your right, but it is still very weak, spineless and Ghey and not something this community should approve of.
What would happen to this game if every time you got on a guys six he bailed on you and that was the way everyone played the game. Something tells me it would be awful quite in the MA.
BTW - And I was just thinking, I haven't seen Zazen in here stroking his ego in a while thinking ahh maybe he is over needing that. Oh well LOLH.:rofl
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Simple. I'm not telling anyone how to play their game. I'm saying what I think of their chump tactics. Bailing because your at a disadvantage is a chump tactic. I'm very sorry for you if you cannot see that too but you may be one who has to learn the hard way.
I've been around for 12 years. I've seen em come and go and play for every reason under the sun. If they pay their money to play who the hell are you to tell them their chumps? If yer that burnt out take a break.
Why should I waste my time trying to help someone who is not yet ready to be helped? I wont.
Any help you would possibly give to someone like that would be beneath you and useless anyway so I'd have to agree. Don't help em.
The guys whome I've helped become better fighter pilots in the game know who they are. And I have every right to sit here and say what I think of this kind of chump flying. I've earned it.
And I have every right to say your a big headed lard butt who think he's gawds gift to this game. I can also say you spend all of your time telling everyone on the boards just how great you are so you can hear them say bravo. Bring on the films. I have X kills! I have X points! Im the greatest thing this game has ever seen! You need to get a grip on yourself.
But I won't say that because I don't really care how you play the game or how good you are. Im not here to play your game. Im here to play mine as is everyone else. Are you understanding this one point? It ain't about you. It's about them!
You dont like that? Tough.
Me? you can't hurt me with your thats tough BS. I've been around to long. But, you're giving BS opinions and calling new folks who came to play and have fun a buncha chumps because they are playing the game the way they wanna play it. Just cause it doesn't suit your style of play doesn't mean you need to push them away from the game. I suppose you can tell everyone, and not just me, what right you have to push people away from the game?
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If I read one more "you can't make me fly your way" response I'm gonna puke. It has nothing to do with that. Mars hit the nail on the head. If it hurt, good, it should.
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Originally posted by mars01
Ren it has nothing to do with telling someone how to play as much as it has to do with telling them the way they think they should play is totally wrong.
There are two simple ways of telling telling someone how you and I say "how YOU think" they should play. You can call them chumps or you can help them along.
If you condone bailing when the fight gets too tuff then you are just as bad as Marine and I can understand you fighting like it is ok.
I don't really care if some dude bails out or not. It's not like he's the only guy playing the game. Tonight there were a mess of ultra high guys up by 33 and they wouldnt go anyway near a fight. If you got within 2k of them they ran like rabbits. Big deal. If that's their way of fighting it doesn't hurt my game play at all. As far as Im concenred their no threat and I go find guys that want to fight. I went over to 32 and had a great time fighting lotsa enemy planes. The moral of this story? There's more than one guy playing the game go find others to play with.
Basically what you are saying is, it's his 14.95 if he wants to quit that is his perogative and your right, but it is still very weak, spineless and Ghey and not something this community should approve of.
Yes, I am saying it's his money and he can play however he wants. Haven't you noticed the huge number of bomber pilots now? There were never as many as there are now. They don't wanna fly fighters. They wanna bomb ad nauseum. Ok, I don't complain about that. Why would I? Why is it different from some guy who decideds to bail out? The bomber guys are too lazy to learn to fly and fight dogfights. So they are weak, lame and spinless, too?
What would happen to this game if every time you got on a guys six he bailed on you and that was the way everyone played the game. Something tells me it would be awful quite in the MA.
Hell, its a game! The germans did it in real life. Anyone who didnt died. Gee, that's an odd thought. I should live iso die. How novel! So from you point of view they are vile, weak, spinless dweebs. You guys need to get a grip. The game is evolving. New people are coming into it. Many are younger and play the game the way they want to. Is it right for them to do it that way? They paid to do it that way. Why wouldn't they? Maybe you just gotta fly and fight with a wingy. Maybe I think yer a yellow dog because you cant do it alone. Where do I get off telling you that? That's just the way you wanna play the game. So get off yer high horse and let the folks play the game without all your BS opinions of them. They at least nice enough to leave thier opinions outside of the game.
BTW, As I already mentioned there are more than enough people to go around so you're odds of finding Mr. Bailout are going to be remote anyway.
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Originally posted by Stang
If I read one more "you can't make me fly your way" response I'm gonna puke. It has nothing to do with that.
Good! Puke your guts out! No one cares. You've made your BS opinions known to everyone. Get a life. Try and figure out no one cares what you think! And it has everything to "do with that". That's where you're missing the point.:aok
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Originally posted by mechanic
explain how super fast reflexes and the knoledge of exactly what to do in any bad sitution does not convey intelect....
things you see on the bbs that make you go mmmmmm
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Good! Puke your guts out! No one cares. You've made your BS opinions known to everyone. Get a life. Try and figure out no one cares what you think! And it has everything to "do with that". That's where you're missing the point.
I care what he thinks.
he has prooven to me that he is far superiour as a fighter pilot and for that i respect his opinons with regard to this game more than yours quite frankly.
being around for 12 years doesnt earn you any respect from me as far as virtual flying goes.
a noobie who schools me in DA will earn my respect far quicker.
I'm not saying i disrespect you or your opinions because you never fought me but i am saying i will disregard what you think should i choose to with concern to playing AH2.
you were earning my respect with your clean and thought out arguments until....
quote RE: stang: ".....you're BS opinons...."
now you're being a hypocrite, if you cant see that then im shocked.
peace :)
Quote from schaden: "things you see on the bbs that make you go mmmmmm"
you fancy me or something?
instead of being smart arsed explain how my statement is incorrect.
would you say Wldthing or Leviathn have less intelect than you because they ACM fight and risk virtual death?
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Originally posted by mechanic
a noobie who schools me in DA will earn my respect far quicker.
DA and MA/CT are quite different environments.
In DA you will go in single target focusing mode most of the times. In MA/CT you will fight multiple bandits while trying to defend your mates.
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One thing that's improved my k/D alot is bailing out, even after being shot out of the sky a capture or successful bail isn't a death. If I'm shot to hell and being chased; bail. If I'm out numbered and it looks like I can't run; bail. Someone gets a cheap proxy kill and I don't get a needless death.
That is why I chute ALL shoots ... :D
That has to be the lamest tactic I have ever seen anyone admit to. Like Mars said, it only makes "score" more meaningless than it already is.
The second most incredulous thing in this thread is ren trying to defend that tactic ... under the guise of "it's his $14.95". BWHAHAHAH.
If yours wings are shot off ... then by all means bail ... but if you bail because you THINK your gonna lose, all in the name of "score" ... can't get more GHEYer than that.
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Originally posted by mechanic
would you say Wldthing or Leviathn have less intelect than you because they ACM fight and risk virtual death?
Bat
You need to ask Lazs to explain "The Lazs Conundrum" to you , it is an interesting puzzle.
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Originally posted by Shane
k/d ratio? gah! easy enough to do simply by flying timidly.
I always though k/s, along with k/t, was a better indicator of one's overall effectiveness.
I don't think K/S and K/T are related to effectiveness.
If you fly 10 min over an area where you kill 2 guys and then RTB after 10 min having totaled 30 min flight time and 2 kills
Just because there was no more enemy to kill.Are you less efficient than the guy Who just uped killed 2 guy and got killed ?
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i r a grate intulect cause i am r0x0r in games!!!!11!! like i see somtheng and than i kan shute it reel quik and stuff my reeflexsus are teh bomb!!!!!!!!1 bow down too me
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Ren......
Lay it down man. You are defending a guy who would rather bail than fight in a game that is all about fighting.
Resistance is futile....lol
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I choose to spend a good fraction of my game time in the Ostwind for several reasons:
1) I am very, very good at it, possibly the best in the game.
Zazen
Originally posted by Zazen13
Doesn't bother me, just stating why I enjoy the Ostwind. Kicking bellybutton in an Ostwind is just as much fun in its own way as doing so in a fighter, at which I am equally adept.
Anyone else catch this?
Are you quite possibly the best fighter pilot in the game?
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Originally posted by eagl
i r a grate intulect cause i am r0x0r in games!!!!11!! like i see somtheng and than i kan shute it reel quik and stuff my reeflexsus are teh bomb!!!!!!!!1 bow down too me
can only assume this is directed at me.
i am not saying AH2 is the be-all-and-end-all of lifes adventures, nor am i saying being good at flying virtual planes is worth anything.
i simply object to being called stupid and slow witted simply because i dont fly to stay alive the whole time.
and Nomak, great work, awesome observation :rofl
oooops, dont let me suggest that anything on a BB could relate to real life, infact you suck at observation, you are not the roxxor and never will be uberl337 super recon guy, this is just a game!!!11!! @ omg. ;)
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Time to frame this discussion in more realistic terms. I think the two "sides" are talking past one another.
(1) There is no correlation between furballing and low intellect.
(2) There is no correlation between flying to live and cowardice.
One side wishes, whether actually historically correct or not, to fly in a certain manner that depicts their version of history. This is an air combat sim with historically-accurate planes, so why not? The other side feels that this is a game, and the point of that game is to fight enemies. To that end, furballing provides the quickest and most enjoyable engagements.
Nobody is an idiot. Nobody is a coward. These are simply two completely different ways to frame how people approach the game. Guys like Schaden may express disdain at low-flying Spits, but what he fails to understand is that these Spits fly a totally different kind of game than he does. He cannot relate to what they enjoy just as they cannot relate to what he enjoys.
And that's that.
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without meaning to continue bad vibes after this keen summary, i would like to make one thing clear as i may not have previously.
i was in no way saying flying to live was cowardly.
i was saying that someone in a debate as heated as this who refuses to test the theory in the perfect environment of the DA is behaving cowardly, as they are possibly affraid their argument may come unstuck.
carry on.
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Originally posted by mechanic
I care what he thinks.
he has prooven to me that he is far superiour as a fighter pilot and for that i respect his opinons with regard to this game more than yours quite frankly.
You're missing the whole point. It's a game. Who cares how good anyone is. Respect is earned though ones interaction with other people not how well someone can fire a gun in a game. When you begin to tell people that their chumps because they don't play the way you want them to then you have no respect for them and you can bet people around you are gonna wake and say your a putz.
being around for 12 years doesnt earn you any respect from me as far as virtual flying goes.
I don't particularly give a damn if you respect me or not. Reason being you have to earn my respect also. Until you do you're just some other dude trying to make a name for himself. I'm here play the game. My Squad has been around since 1987 . It's at least 70 strong in AH and many more in other games. Most of them have been trainers in a lot of games since the beginning of online fighter combat sims. They are here now, but not as trainers because they choose not to. The point is the Damned have been around as a squad for so long because we not only respect ourselves but those around us no matter what their skill levels. We don't ever say to anyone;"yer a chump cause you bail". Sorry but we aint that kinda players.
quote RE: stang: ".....you're BS opinons...."
now you're being a hypocrite, if you cant see that then im shocked.
Wake up and smell the coffee. If the kettle is black that's how I call it. Anyone who is so full of himself that he can call a newby a chump is doing nothing to help the game with his BS opinions other than to bolster his ego. I don't care who you are, at some point in this game you were a newby once trying to get your feet wet. I'm sure it woulda been nice for some ego inflated lard mouth telling you what a chump you are and you should go somewhere else. Right?
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Originally posted by Nomak
Ren......
Lay it down man. You are defending a guy who would rather bail than fight in a game that is all about fighting.
Resistance is futile....lol
Well, why the heck do you think I'm a lawyer :)
not!:D
Seriously though. we actually mold noob's in the game. If you don't help someone learn to dogfight then he will fly bombers or tank all the time. I had 4 noob's up last night getting their sticks set up. We spent two hours making sure they had everything up and working. Then we spent another hour in fighters. If they get chance to learn correctly then they enter the MA with a will to dogfight and everyone has a good time. If they decide that bailing is a part of their game when they go down in flames, whats wrong with that? Remember this the only reason the Captain went down with his ship was because the lifeboat was full. 'Sides would you rather have a fun fight in the arena or just club baby seals? For someone to pick on guys for their game play style is only bolstering their own egos and nothing else.
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The simple yet huge fact your over looking ren, is that bailing out in such a manner does not show anyone this new player wants to learn. Its just as simple as that. The fact you wont admit that we're right is because your ego is as big and fragile as you say everyone elses is who disagrees with the bailing out BS.
Its no big deal. Just admit your wrong and we can move on.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
The simple yet huge fact your over looking ren, is that bailing out in such a manner does not show anyone this new player wants to learn. Its just as simple as that. The fact you wont admit that we're right is because your ego is as big and fragile as you say everyone elses is who disagrees with the bailing out BS.
My ego? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 'nuff said about that!
Wrong? Because you call some guy a chump for playing the way he wants, I'm wrong? Everytime you type something you lower yourself. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything to you but it might have to others who actually thought something of you. We all make our own beds to sleep in. I guess you are making yours.
Tell ya what, tell the guy you will pay for his gameplay if he doesn't bail out all the time. You pay and maybe he'll listen. Until you do your BS has no value to anyone else except you. But it can push people away from the game who really want to play and that's where I have a problem with it. I don't judge people by their gameplay I merely try to guide them along a path that will make it enjoyable for them and everyone else at the same time. You prefer the old "yer a dumb butt and chump" way of helping people. What school did you graduate from where they taught you that? What a great leader of gaming you are!
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Let me get this straight.
You promote learning and self improvement in this game. Yet you condone and deffend a tatcic as lame as bailing out durring a fight because you might die.
I find it ironc you are calling us hypocrites with that sort of mentality.
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Wrong? Because you call some guy a chump for playing the way he wants, I'm wrong? Everytime you type something you lower yourself. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything to you but it might have to others who actually thought something of you.
Honestly Ren if anyone thinks less of Morph for calling it like it is, they aren't much to worry about either. Could Morph had been a little nicer, sure wouldn't have been half as funny lol, but he wasn't, so what. It still doesn't make bailing out when things get tough, right and that is what your argument continues to allude to. If you want to argue Morphs tact, that is one thing, trying to say the guy is doing right by bailing out is totally wrong.
Bailing out to save your score is not game play. That is what you still won't accept. Yes runing, sitting on a perch all night, bombing etc. These are all game play options. Bailing out to save your precious online score is not game play it is chump tactics to pretend your good.
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Hum, are you guys talking about baling to avoid fight or bailing after you lose fight and you are on fire or spinning to the ground with damage? Cuz in my book they are to different things
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I find it even more hellarious that this tool thinks bailing out is helping his score. Did he fail to see that when you bail out with nme all around you and it says "player X shot you down"?
Hey genious. Thats a kill. And its recorded as a death in your stats!
I'd like very much to think I've bitten on a cheap troll. But with the current MA enviorment, I doubt it.
When someone shows me that they have the willingess to learn and want to be helped I will do everything I can to provide some sort of assistance to the best of my ability. The fact you think I'm trying to stroke my ego while calling this tool out on his chump tactics simply shows me that you dont want to talk about the problems at hand. You saw an easy way to try and make yourself look like the good guy and it came back to bite you in the ass.
No matter how hard you try, you cant viably deffend what x0002885753Marine is doing as right.
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Originally posted by iKo
Hum, are you guys talking about baling to avoid fight or bailing after you lose fight and you are on fire or spinning to the ground with damage? Cuz in my book they are to different things
Bailing out to avoid getting a death tagged to your stats. Which is wrong btw. It does record as a death with nme around you. Bailing out before they even get a chance to shoot you so as to avoid being killed or shot down.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
When someone shows me that they have the willingess to learn and want to be helped I will do everything I can to provide some sort of assistance to the best of my ability. The fact you think I'm trying to stroke my ego while calling this tool out on his chump tactics simply shows me that you dont want to talk about the problems at hand. You saw an easy way to try and make yourself look like the good guy and it came back to bite you in the ass.
You still dont get it do you. Quick thinking about yourself for once and let people play their way. They paid to do that. Who the hell do you think you are to tell them what they can and can't do. The only problem at hand is your whining about someone elses game play. Like one or two guys are going to completely ruin your life and you gotta make sure the whole world knows about it. If that's the case then you need to get a life. Didn't I already say that?
BTW, really helping someone is taking someone who doesn't fit your type of gameplay and still teaching them. That's when it counts.
Me? Look good? Im not trying to look like the good guy. I'm merely stating the obvious. That I know the difference between right and wrong. And you're opinions are wrong. There's another old saying. If you've got nothing nice to say about someone, then say nothing. You must have missed that somewhere in life so I said it. There now, you've just learned something, haven't you.
No matter how hard you try, you cant viably deffend what x0002885753Marine is doing as right.
Of course I can defend it. He has every right to play as he sees fit without having guys telling him he's a chump.
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BTW, It's admirable for the BK's to stand up for one of their own. However, it's sometimes better to be honest with yourself over whats right and wrong.
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Agreed morph, I Am not a noob by all means and don’t care about my score at all. I feel (imo) to teach bailing to avoid getting a kill message is not right at all. To bail cuz airplane is un-flyable after losing a fight well some times I do some times I don’t why? Cuz I feel like it and it’s my mood at the time. Like you said they get the kill any way so what’s the difference. I think Red is saying more than anything is teaching them will help avoid them from doing this instead of bashing them for it.
I feel there are many reasons to bail or ditch but none of them I feel IMO have to do with score cuz I don’t believe in score.
But I feel that if I am in a plane and in a fight and the guy cant hit me or kill me and I run out of gas or ammo and I am not in a plane that can out run the other plane cuz they fly a La7 or some fast plane than they don’t deserve the kill and there is nothing wrong with bailing or ditching. If they are good they will get kill message if not they will not. I would do this only to say you had your chance to kill me and you couldn’t period. But for me it has nothing to do with score. But I am not going to give a free kill to someone that couldn’t kill me to pad there score when I hate scores anyway.
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Who the hell do you think you are to tell them what they can and can't do
I never told him he couldnt fly that way. I told him he was a chump for doing it.
BTW, really helping someone is taking someone who doesn't fit your type of gameplay and still teaching them. That's when it counts.
You can't teach someone who doesnt want to learn. What's so hard to understand about that?
Of course I can defend it. He has every right to play as he sees fit without having guys telling him he's a chump.
As can I say hes a cheap and lame for doing it. You keep on deffending it. I'll continue to denounce what he does as a chump tactic.
You know. I'll say it again. You promote all this teaching, which is very good mind you. I am all for helping those who have the drive and learn. But yet you continue to condone and deffend someone who clearly does not want to learn, nor cares about it. I'm sorry but that just doesnt wash.
You've gone beyond the point of no return in your argument. If you back pedal now that will be admiting that I am right, and you, you are wrong.
Notice he's not here deffending himself? Just why do you think that is? Because when I told him what I thought about his antics, he knew I was right. Hes been here long enough to know. Its sad you cant see it too.
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to be fair Ren, when it was a guy's dime at $3/hr there was little of that "to each his own" sentiment for a guy that bailed to avoid death. HTC's MA is much more understanding and PC of those less inclined to fight.
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Mechanic,
Heh, just pullin yer chain :) Saying that game reflexes and arena SA equates to a higher intellect just sorta struck me as the same kind of statement I first saw about 10 years ago whenever guys logged into CK and proudly stated that they were good at flight sims. The only thing different now is that the same people saying how good they are can't spell or use proper grammer. Back in the day, the only people who couldn't spell, capitalize properly, or put together a complete sentence were a few guys with honest mental health issues who socialized over the internet because they had some serious problems in regular interactions. Most people didn't make fun of those guys, but now some people think it's cool to act ignorant and uneducated and that's pretty funny IMHO.
It's not exactly a linear train of thought, but I went from "good at flight sims" to mentally handicapped people to spelling tards to twitch intellect in about a millisecond :)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
You know. I'll say it again. You promote all this teaching, which is very good mind you. I am all for helping those who have the drive and learn. But yet you continue to condone and deffend someone who clearly does not want to learn, nor cares about it. I'm sorry but that just doesnt wash.
You've gone beyond the point of no return in your argument. If you back pedal now that will be admiting that I am right, and you, you are wrong.
Back pedal? The only thing I can think of is you just can't get enough of yourself. You actually think your right and more's the pity. I'd feel sorry for you but you're not worth the effort.
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Originally posted by Hornet
to be fair Ren, when it was a guy's dime at $3/hr there was little of that "to each his own" sentiment for a guy that bailed to avoid death. HTC's MA is much more understanding and PC of those less inclined to fight.
By the same token we averaged 100 a night in FR so you had limits and ended up fighting the same guys over and over except for the missions and scenarios.Not many folks pulled plugs or bailed back then. In fact, it was a matter of pride to land yer kills. 200 up was considered a big deal, if the arena could even handle it.
Now we have 500-600 up on a weekend night in one arena. How many times have you seen dudes pull the plug when you close with em. So who cares if one or two pull the plug? It's no different if they pull the plug or bail, I just move on to the next fight.
If you've been around since those days then like the rest of us old timers, you've seen it all and don't get too excited about some guy that bails nor do you whine about it on the radios or the BBS.
I guess that's why it sets me off to hear guys like the mouth profess to world how great he is and bad talks people just trying to keep their head above water. Like he was never there.:rofl
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The thing you dont get is that I'm not getting excited. Im calling it what it is. Are you that stupid that you really cant understand that?
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
So Ren can we just clarify something ? I'm curious.
When one of your students says to you "I prefer to bail , rather than fight if I think I might be shot down "
you reply " That's perfectly acceptable - it's your $14.95"
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Originally posted by Redd
So Ren can we just clarify something ? I'm curious.
When one of your students says to you "I prefer to bail , rather than fight if I think I might be shot down "
you reply " That's perfectly acceptable - it's your $14.95"
Absolutely not. I don't say anything. We work on flying. That's a persons philosophy of flying not mine and none of my business and it's not readily discussed. If someone asks my response is "my best fun is getting up, fighting and landing my kills". Again, that is my philosophy. It might not be yours. I don't ask you to fly using my philosophy nor do I criticize you for you flying your way.
That's the same as some guy (and many do) showing up in the TA and ask for bombing training. I personally prefer to dogfight and think the reason most folks end up bombing is they use a mouse and still want to fly, can't get dog fighting skills down or just like to bomb. I don't criticize them for it I teach em how to bomb. They came for help so they get it without me telling them my philosophy of the game.
Are you suggesting that, like some big ego dude, having flown a few years and pay $15 a month they have a right to bad mouth you for flying the way you want to? Those guys aint worth the noise they put up in the arena or the boards. All they want is to "show" everyone what a great stick they are. They don't give a damn about you or what you think. It's all about them. My point is you paid to come in here and have fun. You ain't hurting anyone cause you feel bailing is a good thing. You didn't pay to have some big ego'd dude tell you what he thinks is right or wrong for you to do. If that dude wants you to fly his way let him pay for you to fly. Then if you feel you wanna do it go ahead let him spend his money to bolster his ego. In fact, let him put his money where his mouth is? Come on, Egodude, pay my way. I'll tag along and let you think your da best in the whole world! Who else wants in? Let him pay your way too! Otherwise, he's just another loud mouth ego dude that has absolutely no value to anyone but himself. He just has a different whine is all.
Rett------cute . :)
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Ren
I guess I'd argue that it is the current players responsibility to give some sort of guidance to new players on some aspects of the game you would maybe call "cultural" or "the unwritten rules" .
Be nice if the MA didn't become a complete joke , and stayed an enjoyable game.
But like you say - he's not realy hurting anyone, it's just a strange way to approach the game.
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If you've been around since those days then like the rest of us old timers, you've seen it all and don't get too excited about some guy that bails nor do you whine about it on the radios or the BBS.
I guess that's why it sets me off to hear guys like the mouth profess to world how great he is and bad talks people just trying to keep their head above water. Like he was never there.
For the record Ren, Morph never mentioned how great he is or anything of the like. All he did was chastise this guy for choosing to fly like a chump. And you seem to be getting quite excited. I don't know if you came in here with your jiblets already all twisted up, but you still won't accept or realize bailing to avoid a kill because the odds have gotten too tough is completely wrong and not a way anyone should fly in this game. Sure today not everyone is doing it, but when people espouse flying this way they need to know it is wrong, I don't care how much they spend.
It's analogous to Saying, "We'll he bought the gun so if he wants to go shoot someone, who am I to say anything." The logic doesn't work.
Bailing when you have gotten in too deep is deplorable and should never be accepted or defended.
When one of your students says to you "I prefer to bail , rather than fight if I think I might be shot down "
you reply " That's perfectly acceptable - it's your $14.95"
Absolutely not. I don't say anything. We work on flying. That's a persons philosophy of flying not mine and none of my business and it's not readily discussed. If someone asks my response is "my best fun is getting up, fighting and landing my kills". Again, that is my philosophy. It might not be yours. I don't ask you to fly using my philosophy nor do I criticize you for you flying your way.
Honestly, you are doing a disservice to the community, the person who came to you looking for advice and training, and yourself. If you don't have the ability to know what is right and wrong in this context then you shouldn't be training. People go to a trainer to learn what is right and wrong, be it flying, tactics, or conduct.
Again another analogy, it's like a student pilot asking, "Is it ok to fly VFR through JFKs airspace, not talking to anyone?" Your response, "Well you paid the $100 bucks to rent the plane, the $5k to get you license, so if you want to that's your prerogative." You would lose your CFI if they knew you were teaching crap like that.
So your trying to be all PC and your missing the line between right and wrong.
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Redd, I agree with you that the older players in the game should show by example.
From my years of teaching I've found that how players end up is a direct result of what they learn in the game in the first 6 months of playing.
It seems 90% of all new players have the idea that dogfighting is where it's at. You get to drink, high rank, awards and you get the girls. Everything else comes second. They ALL start out in fighters. Remember this point. Training them is another story. Everyone learns at different rates and when you have 4-5 students at a time you have to train to the slowest in the bunch. Alternatively, some guys used to find it acceptable to get 2 of the 5 up to speed and let the slower ones slide.
Now, the MA is no place for a newby to fly when he's had no training. It's pure death, over and over. The learning curve is high. Just getting his views and stick set up takes an hour or more. And he hasn't even flown yet! Cutting thru all that rhetoric it's safe to say the newby gets discouraged and starts accepting (in his mind) second best but because it's a cool game he wants to continue to try and fly. Let me interject here that there really are alot of guys that like to bomb, too! Back to our newby. He wants to play but figures he doesn't have a chance in the dogfight arena. His alternatives? Bomber or tank driving. So now you see a bunch of bombers up and tank battles. The game is evolving and as long as people migrate away from dogfighting, mindsets are going to change.
We have on average, 3-4 newbys show up in the TA a day. This is a direct result of advertising by the powers that be. Many of these new folks really have no idea what the game is about. In fact, many ask," Ok, I'm here, what am I supposed to do in this game?" They have a mouse. No stick and are just looking at this point. They get a warm welcome and begin finding out more about the game. Many have come from other games. Not necessarily flight games but FPS type games. You die, you get back up, you die you get back up. Kinda like Tomb Raider. Eventually if you die enough you at least moved a lil ahead and learned to get to the next level. To them what's the big deal about dying or bailing? It's a game!
That's the mindset. Now they show up here expecting to find like minded people they can play with. Instead they get bad mouthed for doing what they think is fine. 'Nuff siad on that.
Is there a fix? Yes. But people have to want to help. And remember, just like the new guy who's gonna be spending his money to learn and play the game there are all of us who pay and want some quality time when we are here. How many times have you been flyng the MA and heard someone say, "how do I take off?" And, what's the normal response? "Read the manual" or "go to the TA". Why? Even though the answers are correct, it says to the new guy "we have a limited to time play and don't really wanna spend all of our quality time answering silly questions. That's why we pay our monthly fee to have fun!" Ok, true statment.
What's the fix? Bad mouthing someone? NO! Helping them along by all the older players? Yes!
Quite a few years ago I became a trainer because I wanted to give back to the game and I also had some selfish motives. I wanted the new guys to learn well so I could have enjoyable dogfights iso just clubbing baby seals. I never held anything back from the new guysl It was a win-win proposition. I get good fights, they get good fights and could go out and handle themselves in the arenas. And, they flew as fighter pilots because that's what the game was all about.
Two night's ago I spent 2 hours getting 4 guys set up to fly. We were alone at a seperate field. When we were done. they could fly without losing sight of their enemy, not black out and were having alot of fun as a fighter pilots.
Last night I spent 1 hour getting one guy set up. The result was the same. In both instances, these guys were pretty much, first timers. No real tactics at this point just basic stuff.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm trying to say there ae a limited number of trainers and it takes alot of time just to get people set up. We can spend hours every single night just getting them so they can "see". Think of hour many hours a required to get em anywhere close to being able to stay alive in the MA. All the films put up by those are nice eye candy but if you don't understand why the moves are being made they ain't much more than a pretty movie and the inputs are missing. Value? Ok, for experienced players. Not much for newby's. For some guys with egos, they are "here look at what I can do". You have to understand, see it in person, then do it of you want to learn.
So how does the community help newby's? When they get up let em tag along and learn from you. Leave your ego at the door. The time you get yer head too big is the day you get shot down by some guy up on his first day and all he can see behind him is his headrest. Then the whinin starts. Leave you BS opinions about how some dude plays to yourself and help iso try and show everyone what a sick ego you have. If you do that you won't see alot of bailing. BTW, how many people have been shot up and had their tail shot off from 15k up. You gonna spend all day riding it down or bail and pull the rip at 600 ft? Like I said before, the only reasons that Captain's go down with their ships is because the lifeboat is full.
Has anyone ever seen any Damned bad mouth new guys? You won't. Our guys have too much class.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I find it even more hellarious that this tool thinks bailing out is helping his score. Did he fail to see that when you bail out with nme all around you and it says "player X shot you down"?
Hey genious. Thats a kill. And its recorded as a death in your stats!
I'd like very much to think I've bitten on a cheap troll. But with the current MA enviorment, I doubt it.
When someone shows me that they have the willingess to learn and want to be helped I will do everything I can to provide some sort of assistance to the best of my ability. The fact you think I'm trying to stroke my ego while calling this tool out on his chump tactics simply shows me that you dont want to talk about the problems at hand. You saw an easy way to try and make yourself look like the good guy and it came back to bite you in the ass.
No matter how hard you try, you cant viably deffend what x0002885753Marine is doing as right.
lol right or wrong is relative, it's right IMO ergo it simply doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks.
And I disagree totally, since I've started bailing a-lot more I'm close to a fighter score that reflects 100 more "kills" than "deaths". Being captured is not a death, for the slower amongst us being an EPW equalls "being alive".
Is there something wrong with entering combat and ultimately leaving the battlefeild alive?.. seems like a tactic that can come in handy.
Perhaps next campaign I'll change tactics, or not. This game has become a bit dull and mundane; same recycled maps, zero variance in how team goals are accomplished... before I move on to another game, I'm trying to mix up the way in which I play; lately it's been a concentrated effort on not being killed. I used to fight to the death every time no matter what, emphisis on doing as much damage as possible before eating the golden BB. That was ok for awhile...
But now it just seems like a waste of time... I think I got as much out of doing that as I'm gonna get, time to focus on something else.
It's easier, and has become more challenging, to traverse myself into a position where I can bail out and avoid being shot down. If possible I'll run, run, run and drag as many as I can away from my team-mates... then bail out... and laugh.
While so and so gets credit for shooting me down, I did deny him (or her) the satisfaction of filling my imaginary plane full of little imaginary holes... and hopefully now they're that much farther away from causing harm to a team-mate on top of wasting thier resources. My K/D ratio has improved dramatcally as well.
Every game 'community' tries to make certain things unpopular, in Americas Army the negitive emphisis is on "campers".. yet it's the campers who usually complete the objectives. Here it's the "HO"... whatever.. I always get a good laugh at the louder ones who insist on yammering on and on that thier way of playing a game is "right".
In the end it just doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks, it's my $14.95.. if I decide running around, not firing a shot, and getting people to chase me only to bail out at the last second is fun, I'll do it.. and LMAO at annoying whoever it was chasing me... and thier opinions that "it's wrong"
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Originally posted by mars01
For the record Ren, Morph never mentioned how great he is or anything of the like. All he did was chastise this guy for choosing to fly like a chump. And you seem to be getting quite excited. I don't know if you came in here with your jiblets already all twisted up, but you still won't accept or realize bailing to avoid a kill because the odds have gotten too tough is completely wrong and not a way anyone should fly in this game. Sure today not everyone is doing it, but when people espouse flying this way they need to know it is wrong, I don't care how much they spend.
BS. All he ever does is tell every one how great he is. "I got 50 kills in a tempie" Or look at my new films of how great I am" That's all he ever does! And it doesn't hold water with alot of older flyers.
It's analogous to Saying, "We'll he bought the gun so if he wants to go shoot someone, who am I to say anything." The logic doesn't work.
What part of "this is a game" did you miss here?
Bailing when you have gotten in too deep is deplorable and should never be accepted or defended.
I suppose its just gonna ruin your day and you're gonna quit the game for ever? Get off your high horse! MUAHAHAHAHA!
Honestly, you are doing a disservice to the community, the person who came to you looking for advice and training, and yourself. If you don't have the ability to know what is right and wrong in this context then you shouldn't be training. People go to a trainer to learn what is right and wrong, be it flying, tactics, or conduct.
No, I don't teach people to bail. I dont even suggest it. They do it all on their own. When a directive comes down from above telling me that I should teach people that they should never bail then I might think about that. Until then people come an learn to fly with the trainers. Not one has ever bailed during training. They may have crashed alot but not bailed. And I'm way too busy trying to teach them to fly than spend hours telling them they need to fly to your standards even if they pay to fly. Just like you do. You analogies are a joke. If you want my opinion you should have to bomb nonstop for the next 5 months. No fighter flying just bombing. Oh, you don't like that? Why? Because I'm telling you your a chump if you dont do it? Well damn, you pay to play the game anyway you want don't you? How dare I tell you you're a chump if you don't bomb! Get a grip!
Again another analogy, it's like a student pilot asking, "Is it ok to fly VFR through JFKs airspace, not talking to anyone?" Your response, "Well you paid the $100 bucks to rent the plane, the $5k to get you license, so if you want to that's your prerogative." You would lose your CFI if they knew you were teaching crap like that.
Reality check once again! It's a game!
It's one thing to defend a squad mate. But that's pretty weak dude. Not as weak as yer big ego'd bro though:D
If you noticed I'm responding as a playing member of the community. These are my views and IMHO you need to understand it ain't all about you. It's about every player that wants to fly here.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
lol right or wrong is relative, it's right IMO ergo it simply doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks.
And I disagree totally, since I've started bailing a-lot more I'm close to a fighter score that reflects 100 more "kills" than "deaths". Being captured is not a death, for the slower amongst us being an EPW equalls "being alive".
Hmmmm, seems to me like just another guy gaming the game.
Is there something wrong with entering combat and ultimately leaving the battlefeild alive?.. seems like a tactic that can come in handy.
It'd be nice to have to spend time in a POW camp or let you try and escape
Perhaps next campaign I'll change tactics, or not. This game has become a bit dull and mundane; same recycled maps, zero variance in how team goals are accomplished... before I move on to another game, I'm trying to mix up the way in which I play; lately it's been a concentrated effort on not being killed. I used to fight to the death every time no matter what, emphisis on doing as much damage as possible before eating the golden BB. That was ok for awhile...
Are you saying you found it difficult to get home and land yer kills?
It's easier, and has become more challenging, to traverse myself into a position where I can bail out and avoid being shot down. If possible I'll run, run, run and drag as many as I can away from my team-mates... then bail out... and laugh.
Tactical gaming lol.
In the end it just doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks, it's my $14.95.. if I decide running around, not firing a shot, and getting people to chase me only to bail out at the last second is fun, I'll do it.. and LMAO at annoying whoever it was chasing me... and thier opinions that "it's wrong"
Like I said before if it was that a big a deal in the community then the powers that be would make changes to stop it. Maybe if you whine enough they wil make a change. Until then, right or wrong, everyone has the right to fly as they wish. I as a member of the community defend his right to play, like it or not
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None of those stats mean anything by themselves...k/d k/t k/s can all be raised significantly by a certain type of flying. k/d can be jacked up to double digits very easily by timidity. k/t can be doubled by fighting in friendly territory only and never RTBing. k/s gets a boost by taking a P40b or 202 into a furball of spitVs and eating them alive until you get cherried. HOWEVER, get all three of them below a 200 ranking and you've accomplished something in my book.
But regarding scores and stats in general...I think it is pointless to try and watch your stats and compare them to other flyers. I look at mine regualry but I am comparing them to my own stats from the previous day/week/month/year. I use them to see what parts of my game need work not as some sort of manhood-measuring device.
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lol right or wrong is relative, it's right IMO ergo it simply doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks.
And I disagree totally, since I've started bailing a-lot more I'm close to a fighter score that reflects 100 more "kills" than "deaths". Being captured is not a death, for the slower amongst us being an EPW equalls "being alive".
Is there something wrong with entering combat and ultimately leaving the battlefeild alive?.. seems like a tactic that can come in handy.
Perhaps next campaign I'll change tactics, or not. This game has become a bit dull and mundane; same recycled maps, zero variance in how team goals are accomplished... before I move on to another game, I'm trying to mix up the way in which I play; lately it's been a concentrated effort on not being killed. I used to fight to the death every time no matter what, emphisis on doing as much damage as possible before eating the golden BB. That was ok for awhile...
But now it just seems like a waste of time... I think I got as much out of doing that as I'm gonna get, time to focus on something else.
It's easier, and has become more challenging, to traverse myself into a position where I can bail out and avoid being shot down. If possible I'll run, run, run and drag as many as I can away from my team-mates... then bail out... and laugh.
While so and so gets credit for shooting me down, I did deny him (or her) the satisfaction of filling my imaginary plane full of little imaginary holes... and hopefully now they're that much farther away from causing harm to a team-mate on top of wasting thier resources. My K/D ratio has improved dramatcally as well.
Every game 'community' tries to make certain things unpopular, in Americas Army the negitive emphisis is on "campers".. yet it's the campers who usually complete the objectives. Here it's the "HO"... whatever.. I always get a good laugh at the louder ones who insist on yammering on and on that thier way of playing a game is "right".
In the end it just doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks, it's my $14.95.. if I decide running around, not firing a shot, and getting people to chase me only to bail out at the last second is fun, I'll do it.. and LMAO at annoying whoever it was chasing me... and thier opinions that "it's wrong"
Well Ren your boy said it all.
This guy is a chump and everything Morph has said is true and magnified by Marines latest post. I hope Marine does move on and soon.
I applaud you on your will to train, I shudder at you letting chumps like this guy think what he is doing is a defendable act.
Do I care that much, only if other weak willed people jump on the chump bandwagon. Right now it is an isolated incident. I hope it stays that way. Most people have the balls and self respect to fight it out, death or not.
BTW - It's obvious you have some ax to grind with Morph and you are using this thread as your opening.
BS. All he ever does is tell every one how great he is. "I got 50 kills in a tempie" Or look at my new films of how great I am" That's all he ever does! And it doesn't hold water with alot of older flyers.
What part of "this is a game" did you miss here?
I think you are getting Morph confused with Zazen lol. Anyway you sound like sour grapes to me.
And your it's a game BS doesn't hold water either. Just because it is a game does not mean that people can act like chumps and it is ok. I would hope a trainer would know, understand, and respect that.
I have seen the majority of guys in this thread express the same idea that what Marine is doing is ghey and wrong. I guess your horse is too high to see that as well.
You can have the last word, it is pointless to discuss this any further. It is obvious Marine could care less about the community, the game, or anyone but himself. So no sense in wasting the time.
It's too bad an ole timer, like yourself had to come out smelling as bad as the noob.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
lol right or wrong is relative, it's right IMO ergo it simply doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks.
And I disagree totally, since I've started bailing a-lot more I'm close to a fighter score that reflects 100 more "kills" than "deaths". Being captured is not a death, for the slower amongst us being an EPW equalls "being alive".
Is there something wrong with entering combat and ultimately leaving the battlefeild alive?.. seems like a tactic that can come in handy.
Perhaps next campaign I'll change tactics, or not. This game has become a bit dull and mundane; same recycled maps, zero variance in how team goals are accomplished... before I move on to another game, I'm trying to mix up the way in which I play; lately it's been a concentrated effort on not being killed. I used to fight to the death every time no matter what, emphisis on doing as much damage as possible before eating the golden BB. That was ok for awhile...
But now it just seems like a waste of time... I think I got as much out of doing that as I'm gonna get, time to focus on something else.
It's easier, and has become more challenging, to traverse myself into a position where I can bail out and avoid being shot down. If possible I'll run, run, run and drag as many as I can away from my team-mates... then bail out... and laugh.
While so and so gets credit for shooting me down, I did deny him (or her) the satisfaction of filling my imaginary plane full of little imaginary holes... and hopefully now they're that much farther away from causing harm to a team-mate on top of wasting thier resources. My K/D ratio has improved dramatcally as well.
Every game 'community' tries to make certain things unpopular, in Americas Army the negitive emphisis is on "campers".. yet it's the campers who usually complete the objectives. Here it's the "HO"... whatever.. I always get a good laugh at the louder ones who insist on yammering on and on that thier way of playing a game is "right".
In the end it just doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks, it's my $14.95.. if I decide running around, not firing a shot, and getting people to chase me only to bail out at the last second is fun, I'll do it.. and LMAO at annoying whoever it was chasing me... and thier opinions that "it's wrong"
Not only are you a "gamer", your a "griefer" too ... when did you say that you will be moving on to another game ?
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Wehn K/D go UP! = l33t!!!1! go UP!
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
BS. All he ever does is tell every one how great he is. "I got 50 kills in a tempie" Or look at my new films of how great I am" That's all he ever does! And it doesn't hold water with alot of older flyers.
You're obviously confusing Morpheus with someone else. That, or you're simply making stuff up about him. Please find a couple of examples of Morpheus behaving in the manner you just described.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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If I could give a word of advice to both sides of this discussion, both have good points. Maybe the words used could be better chosen. If anyone bumps into a guy that bails when he is about to be toasted, simply state to him that there is a more honorable and larger concept in this process. Words like, "you might want to" as in "You might want to stick it out, take our death, and maybe learn from the encounter" would be more inclusive to the fellow. Of course if I run into him I'd probably call him a punk dweeb coward arse mama's boy! :D Just kidding about the mama's boy. Seriously, though, he sounds to me like he just doesn't have a clue! So why dont someone take this young man aside and fill him in on "the way it is". :aok
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Sorry about the grammar!:o "Why dont" lmao
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Seriously, though, he sounds to me like he just doesn't have a clue! So why dont someone take this young man aside and fill him in on "the way it is". :aok
because....
there are so few left who possess such clues.
and even fewer willing to take the time to try and pass them along.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
BS. All he ever does is tell every one how great he is. "I got 50 kills in a tempie" Or look at my new films of how great I am" That's all he ever does! And it doesn't hold water with alot of older flyers.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You're obviously confusing Morpheus with someone else. That, or you're simply making stuff up about him. Please find a couple of examples of Morpheus behaving in the manner you just described.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Does killing me repeatedly, over and over and over and over and over again and again and again, every sinle time we meet and then using the SYSTEM messages to show me how good he is count? :confused:
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:lol :lol
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You're obviously confusing Morpheus with someone else. That, or you're simply making stuff up about him. Please find a couple of examples of Morpheus behaving in the manner you just described.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Alternatively, if you want a high K/D just fly a Tempest.
I think before I started getting bored and flying into bad odds in one last tour, my max K/D ratio in the Tempest was 50:1 (and K/S of 9:1). That wasn't any kind of amazing or special flying; I have no doubt anybody else could put up the same numbers in the plane if they put their mind to it. It really is that good.
-- Todd/Leviathn
My bad. I did mix it up. My apologies to Morpheus.
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Ren
The Damned
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Ahhhhh So it's Lev who is the big mouth stunninghunk that the old vets are getting sick of. :D
My bad. I did mix it up. My apologies to Morpheus.
just kidding Ren.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Alternatively, if you want a high K/D just fly a Tempest.
I think before I started getting bored and flying into bad odds in one last tour, my max K/D ratio in the Tempest was 50:1 (and K/S of 9:1). That wasn't any kind of amazing or special flying; I have no doubt anybody else could put up the same numbers in the plane if they put their mind to it. It really is that good.
-- Todd/Leviathn
My bad. I did mix it up. My apologies to Morpheus.
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Ren
The Damned
Would you care for some salt and pepper on your Crow ?
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Reading comprehension is clearly not one of your strong points, Ren.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Sorry about the grammar!:o "Why dont" lmao
Lol, one thing you won't have to worry about in here is grammar.
It's one thing to listen to all the arguing back and forth, and another
to see them post the following words and believing they mean the same thing:
Their, there, they're
to, too, two
Thats all I have a *itch about. Let's all just go and have fun
(Oh, by the way..when I bail, I will have my 45 at the ready. The only question you have to ask yourself is, did he fire 6 rounds or 7? Do ya feel lucky, Punk? Well, DO YA?)
*Sigh*
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You are fun to fight dedalos, I look forward to it when I know you are around, as long as morph aint around to steal ya at least ... LOL.
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I think the best way to improve your K/D standing is to kill all the timid pilots you find. Chase the bastards all the way to the deck from 35k and finish em in their ACK while they scream for help. Sure you probably wont get much above 1:1 this way, but by lowering their K/D your 1:1 becomes a little more respectable.
-pellik
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Would you care for some salt and pepper on your Crow ?
Sorry. Crow isn't on the menu but I apologize when I'm wrong.
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Ren
The Damned
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errrr, ahhhh, errrrmm, uhhhh...
http://www.idiomconnection.com/birds.html#B
eat crow - admit one is mistaken or defeated
"He was forced to eat crow when he found out that what he said was totally wrong."
just sayin'
:aok
god bless the publeek ejumakshun system!!
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HOLLY HELL we're still here?
Well lets get down to bizz.
x002308974Marine.
before I move on to another game, I'm trying to mix up the way in which I play; lately it's been a concentrated effort on not being killed. I used to fight to the death every time no matter what, emphisis on doing as much damage as possible before eating the golden BB. That was ok for awhile...
First off. Your a newbie. I know guys whome have been in flight sims for the past 10 years. And they are still upping thier game.
1 in particular is usually ranked in the top 2-3 as fighter. This is impressive to me only in his case because I know he doesnt try. He's just that much better.
There's many, MANY ways to "mix things up" in this game without playing like you, a chump.
2nd
But now it just seems like a waste of time... I think I got as much out of doing that as I'm gonna get, time to focus on something else.
Ya think???
It doesnt take someone such as me, with my vast knowledge and immense intelect to see that flying for 5-10-15 minutes to a fight only to bail is a waste of time. I'm very glad you've gotten to the point in your game that you can see that.
But if after three months, you've gained more out of this game and gotten farther than I've gotten out of the years I've been here... Good for you. I'm glad. And I'm hopful you will leave soon.
It scares me to think, that this is what flight sims have become, namely Aces High.
But I am glad that there are still those who see that crap like this will not be overlooked. With the exception of Ren. Who just refuses to see the obvious.
So the saying goes. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. Ren...
Some new players are a real joy to work with.
Two stick out in my mind right now. Superdud, and Megadud. The venerable Aces High psychotic duo. I had more fun flying with these two and helping them than anyone I've ever given a bit of advice to. They enjoyed "the fight" and the thrills that come along with it. And were there to learn and greatful for someone to take the time to teach them. Every night almost you could find them in a fight somwhere. Giving it there absolute best.
x009028349Marine falls off and these two pick up.
You dont care about learning. If you did want to learn you wouldnt give up excellent learning oportunities by avoiding a death and being shot down, and avoiding mistakes by not having the oportunities to make them.
Foolish if you ask me. But then again. Your at the top of your game arent you.
Ren. STFU.
Do you even have a clue who or what you are deffending? I doubt it.
You cant even keep your tiny brain on track long enough to make a credible jab towards me. If your going to throw punches, start making them count. Or again, you can always just pack it. :)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Ren. STFU.
Do you even have a clue who or what you are deffending? I doubt it.
I still defend everyone to be able to play the gamethey way they want without pinheads like you saying they're chumps. You don't have enough sense to understand the guy is having as much fun yanking yer chain and he does dragging people away from his buds then bailing. LOL
You cant even keep your tiny brain on track long enough to make a credible jab towards me. If your going to throw punches, start making them count. Or again, you can always just pack it. :)
I only apologized for the 50 kill quote. You're still a big ego'd lard butt and that still doesn't change my opinion of you. Be any type of low life you wanna be. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You can bark all ya want. Anything you have to say to me now falls on deaf ears.
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Ren
The Damned
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I am the bestest evar, you all suck!
bullpit...:aok
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Puh long thread, i am just to lazy to read it all.
Don't look to much at K/D, K/S or K/T, if you are just out there to get whatever ratio it will usually reduce you fun alot.
I speak from my own experience, when i started with AH and got used to the FM, i went out there and wanted a nice K/D in my D9. After a while it gets real painful. Why? Because if you set a new record once you want to get even better in the next tour. And so try to avoid any death, becoming really timid.
Your flying suffers because you tend to pick easy fights, cause you are just out there to reach a certain ratio and no longer to have exiting and challanging duels.
After getting back to AH2 i started it all different, i wanted fun, good fights and though i still fly to survive, scores mean nothing to me any more. If i die well, np here i go again. It's just a click.
And i must say, that i am a much better stick now than back in the days when i went for high K/Ds and have much more fun.
I am still clued to my "dweeb" ride D9, but that is because it is just my absoluted favoured WW2 fighter.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
HOLLY HELL we're still here?
Well lets get down to bizz.
x002308974Marine.
First off. Your a newbie. I know guys whome have been in flight sims for the past 10 years. And they are still upping thier game.
1 in particular is usually ranked in the top 2-3 as fighter. This is impressive to me only in his case because I know he doesnt try. He's just that much better.
There's many, MANY ways to "mix things up" in this game without playing like you, a chump.
2nd
Ya think???
It doesnt take someone such as me, with my vast knowledge and immense intelect to see that flying for 5-10-15 minutes to a fight only to bail is a waste of time. I'm very glad you've gotten to the point in your game that you can see that.
But if after three months, you've gained more out of this game and gotten farther than I've gotten out of the years I've been here... Good for you. I'm glad. And I'm hopful you will leave soon.
It scares me to think, that this is what flight sims have become, namely Aces High.
But I am glad that there are still those who see that crap like this will not be overlooked. With the exception of Ren. Who just refuses to see the obvious.
So the saying goes. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. Ren...
Some new players are a real joy to work with.
Two stick out in my mind right now. Superdud, and Megadud. The venerable Aces High psychotic duo. I had more fun flying with these two and helping them than anyone I've ever given a bit of advice to. They enjoyed "the fight" and the thrills that come along with it. And were there to learn and greatful for someone to take the time to teach them. Every night almost you could find them in a fight somwhere. Giving it there absolute best.
x009028349Marine falls off and these two pick up.
You dont care about learning. If you did want to learn you wouldnt give up excellent learning oportunities by avoiding a death and being shot down, and avoiding mistakes by not having the oportunities to make them.
Foolish if you ask me. But then again. Your at the top of your game arent you.
Ren. STFU.
Do you even have a clue who or what you are deffending? I doubt it.
You cant even keep your tiny brain on track long enough to make a credible jab towards me. If your going to throw punches, start making them count. Or again, you can always just pack it. :)
You're a noob. So there.
'Learn" what?.. this particular game?.. plenty of time for that, not to mention "learning" is relative at best, if I'm learning to survive better.. yeaay for me and my $14.95. I've "learned" gamer dogfighting in other sims, I see no huge point in playing this game the same way.
I've practiced dogfighting in several other games, or "learned" make believe on-line dogfighting techniques, big deal, it just takes a bit of practice at this one... "learn" lol that's funny.
And someone hit the nail on the head, I do indeed have fun frustrating and chain yanking other gamers. I laugh when 5 dudes all chase me 1/2 sector away from my team mates only to watch as I bail succesfully. lol @ them. I can hear them yelling "coward" or opining I'm less of a man because I decided to F with them rather than try some disckweed "net man" stunt and sword fight my little imaginary plane to the death. I did that at first and it was fun for a while, but you could say I 'learned' that there are plenty of stupid anuses that will chase you all over the map... so concerned with getting a kill they'll leave thier team mates high & dry.
So yea, I get a kick out of depriving them of shooting my plane full of holes.. and I think that frustration has spilled over onto the BBS... maybe these guys think that by calling me names and challenging me to a skills competition I'll get upset and change... lol... nope. It's obvious how upsetting this is, and frankly I'm enjoying it.
This really is just a difference in philosophy, some of these guys with 50lbs of mouth who live with mommy can't comprehend that this game doesn't mean the same thing to everyone... and all the screaming you can muster won't force anyone to conform to your way of thinking. The world is bigger than your room lined with Eric Estrada posters little guy.
Last month I had fun dogfighting getting a feel for this game as opposed to others, this month it's a focus on surviving, frustration, and suckering.. and I am definately getting my $14.95 of enjoyment.. with zero concern to what anyone else thinks I should be doing.
You play this game your way, I'll do the same.. if we're each having fun, what's the difference?.. oh yea, I'm not playing your way, well damm.. your just gonna have to live with that. I realize you think because you have XX number of years invested in this game and have practiced much more you think your opinion carries extra weight, or that 'noobs' should listen to you.. lol, sorry, new to this game but not to gaming, or flight sims.. and frankly you havent written much of anything that reflects any extra insight... learn for my mistakes?, lol ooook, if I feel like it. I prefer to call them calulated risks.
If I really feel like it I can practice dogfighting all the time, but I don't find that as fun.
I really hate to tell you this but there's nothing important going on here, gaming is all about calculated risks.. and having some fun making them... win some, lose some.
Nobody, not even you oh great all knowing AH greaybeard, will ever be perfect... so you go ahead and learn from your mistakes, and I'll laugh beer out my nose watching 5 dudes chase me all over the map.
And really, it's not that hard for me to rack up more kills than deaths.. even being a 'noob', a sim is a sim is a sim.. if I cared all that much I'd concentrate on being one of the best fighter gamers in AH, "learning" blah blah, but I'm in it for my personal enjoyment.. and I enjoy what I'm doing these days.
Oh and by the way; lol
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hahahah the mother of all flame wars.
this is of the old school, possible the last of its kind..... :(
....but due to your new local flamers anon. officers, we can all live in a better world!
just £140 per session please find the bank details for payment here.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147980
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Sometimes people do get a little outrageous with the chasedowns.
For example I had to rtb in a 109 about a week ago because I got a phone call I had to take in the real world, and some dipsh*t followed me for about a sector back to my home field. So he follows me about 5 mins at about 800 back in an LA7, never gaining, never takes a shot either, even though I'm flying straight and level for the most part while I'm talking on the phone.
Finally he peels off and launches a little diatribe on 200, and I'm thinking what kind of a bonehead lamer must this guy be.
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To bring those just arriving up to speed:
{1} x0847marine is a confirmed dolt/putz... (he runs and bails alot)
{2} Ren comes in a close 2nd... (a lawyer attempting to defend said "run and bailer")
INcredible!
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Originally posted by DipStick
To bring those just arriving up to speed:
{1} x0847marine is a confirmed dolt/putz... (he runs and bails alot)
{2} Ren comes in a close 2nd... (a lawyer attempting to defend said "run and bailer")
INcredible!
Thanks for the clarification there Dipstick, I was geting lost. But I'd like to clarify one small point even further. x0847marine doesn't just run and then bail, he plays for the sole purpose of agravating other players by his own admission.
I know it is his right to play how he wants, but I figure you should be able to piss folks off without spenging $14.95 per month. Being an a-hole is free after all...LOL.
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lol,
What a post.
I just want to give a small point of view......
Ren, . You have always been top notch. If I were a better fiter pilot in here I would say it is all because of the training from selfless sticks such as yourself.
If you ever look at me score, no one that has given me tips will probably admit it.. LOL
...and one guy said, "when you can laugh and re-up when you get shot down, you will start to learn more, and have more fun."
MY 14.95 goes to more fun. And we all get to choose that.
Happy Hunting Gents,
Ren
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Originally posted by Morpheus
HOLLY HELL we're still here?
Well lets get down to bizz.
x002308974Marine.
First off. Your a newbie. I know guys whome have been in flight sims for the past 10 years. And they are still upping thier game.
1 in particular is usually ranked in the top 2-3 as fighter. This is impressive to me only in his case because I know he doesnt try. He's just that much better.
There's many, MANY ways to "mix things up" in this game without playing like you, a chump.
2nd
Ya think???
It doesnt take someone such as me, with my vast knowledge and immense intelect to see that flying for 5-10-15 minutes to a fight only to bail is a waste of time. I'm very glad you've gotten to the point in your game that you can see that.
But if after three months, you've gained more out of this game and gotten farther than I've gotten out of the years I've been here... Good for you. I'm glad. And I'm hopful you will leave soon.
It scares me to think, that this is what flight sims have become, namely Aces High.
But I am glad that there are still those who see that crap like this will not be overlooked. With the exception of Ren. Who just refuses to see the obvious.
So the saying goes. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. Ren...
Some new players are a real joy to work with.
Two stick out in my mind right now. Superdud, and Megadud. The venerable Aces High psychotic duo. I had more fun flying with these two and helping them than anyone I've ever given a bit of advice to. They enjoyed "the fight" and the thrills that come along with it. And were there to learn and greatful for someone to take the time to teach them. Every night almost you could find them in a fight somwhere. Giving it there absolute best.
x009028349Marine falls off and these two pick up.
You dont care about learning. If you did want to learn you wouldnt give up excellent learning oportunities by avoiding a death and being shot down, and avoiding mistakes by not having the oportunities to make them.
Foolish if you ask me. But then again. Your at the top of your game arent you.
Ren. STFU.
Do you even have a clue who or what you are deffending? I doubt it.
You cant even keep your tiny brain on track long enough to make a credible jab towards me. If your going to throw punches, start making them count. Or again, you can always just pack it. :)
never knew watermelon came out both ends, seems it does in your case Morph.
I was fine with this whole thread up til the Ren. STFU.
part
now you are rolling your ego
bout time this thread got locked
oh, and in reference to kj714's question. I don't is to boring. marine if you want help to expand and find more interesting things to do in Aces High, join us in Scenario's, KOTH tournaments, snap shots, there is more to Aces High than just flying around the Main arena bailing out at will!
TC
The Damned
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If you dont like my opinions. Well, thats too bad then isn't it?
Ren seems to take it personaly that I dont agree with his.
Seems the ones who matter tend to agree with me.
Question though.
Do you trainers incorporate this type of game play into your program?
Im worried... Ren being a trainer, and him agreeing with the act bailing under presure or when the fight starts to turn on you... It doesnt take a genious like me to put 2 and 2 together. I hope I am not putting together all the wrong pieces in that respect. I have the utmost respect for the AH trainers. But when one of you agrees with this kind of degenerate baby seal behavior, I get worried.
Again, just a question.
TC, have you read this thread start to finish?
Im sure, knowing you, you will say yes, and my actually have not. Its ok to lie to me, but lieing to yourself will do you no good.
Do you know what your agreeing with and sticking up for? Im not talking about telling Ren to stfu and you feeling the need to stand tall beside him, your squad mate. I'm speaking in regards to the argument at hand now. Again, you'd have to read the entire thread to understand whats going on. I hope you haven't.
Again. Just another question.
Maybe the damned really are in fact damned?
Again. Just another question.
With guys like Ren, agreeing to this kind of game play. One can only worry about where the game is going yet at the same time hope that it can only get better.
Its curious. Ren says he doesnt let this kind of thing bother him. Is he playing in his own tiny bubble? Sort of a mini-MA? That of which he himself is his own world, his own enemy, his own...?
hmmmm.
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Straight Up Morph, I have been reading the whole thread
my opinion, not as an AH trainer, but as a community member, I despize gamers, chickenchits, and Ho'ers who do not take the time to learn the capabilitys of the plane/GV/boat they fly/maneuver and revert to gamey tactics. ( let me edit and add to this first part, I despize those that have been here for a significant length of time and not took it upon themselves to fill their noodle with the readily available knowledge at hand to learn from!!! hope that makes it clearer)
but I will not knowingly try to tell another how to play their game. It does happen and I have done it, but I do not purposely do it.
I rather encourage one to play differently or learn better tactics.
I have no beef with you Morph, I never replyed to this post until now because it looked like the steam had died down and all was well.
to me it looked as you was wanting to rekindle the fire.
No Damned and no AH Trainer will or would commend the actions marine spoke of in this thread. but in the same token none would tell one how he should play his game.
taunting is one thing, and yes I am starting to ramble so I will cut it short.
am sort of tired at all the STFU, FU, GD, Fkng Pzzy, crap words, masked vulgarity and wish people did not feel the need to express their real life persona in text everytime they had to type a reply.
that bout sums up my 0.02 cents worth I hope;)
TC
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Yes Ren its his 15 Bucks. Yes he is intitled to bail under pressure if he chooses to do so.
But no matter what you or any others say its still complete chicken watermelon flying and will be dealt with on this BB for the complete crap that it is.
c yas up.... Dave
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If some of you want MA gameplay to continue it's freefall, then fine, we'll shutup. But if you are as sick of the gamey-hording timidity of the MA as most of us vets are, then how can you sit by and not try to convince someone that what he is doing is bad for gameplay? I think we have to call the weak stuff out loudly not just in here, but especially on 200 in the game as it happens. I was riding a certain timid la7 j0ck pretty hard tonight for his typical climb to 20k over a field, dive in to get a couple easy vulches and run home routine. Should I have kept quiet and let him and any who admire his l337 skills to encourage this crap? I don't think so.
And this isn't me saying others have to fly my way, because we each have a unique style and I would never wish someone to do what I want them to do. However, we pay $15 a month and log in to fight people and have fun; gaming the game or being hopelessly timid is neither fun nor fighting.
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TC, my last post was two days ago.
Up until your post. I was done.
Was...
Had you have let it go, as you should have, we would have moved on.
Marine knows he's lame, Ren knows he's wrong. I win. Very simple.
I have not nor have ever told someone how to fly. I simply state the obvious and along with that, my opinion.
If they dont like that, as I've said before, thats too bad.
Marine is lame. Very simple TC. He feels that his "game" is at the top. So in looking for "another way to elevate his game" he is bailing out in order to try and preserve his k/d. What he does not understand is that a proxie kill is still a kill and is recorded as such. Hes bailing when thing's are not looking good for him and before he gets shot down, he bails. That's lame. Not to mention a pathetic attempt to hold some sort of a decent K/D.
This is the best example of bad game play I think I have seen... Ever. Not to mention the fact that its just the dumbest thing I've ever seen... Because he's foolish enough to think that bailing out and giving someone a proxie kill wont do his K/D any harm.
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BTW something about typing in Bold Blue letters and being completly ghey.........
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Originally posted by Morpheus
TC, my last post was two days ago.
Up until your post. I was done.
Was...
Had you have let it go, as you should have, we would have moved on.
Marine knows he's lame, Ren knows he's wrong. I win. Very simple.
I have not nor have ever told someone how to fly. I simply state the obvious and along with that, my opinion.
If they dont like that, as I've said before, thats too bad.
Marine is lame. Very simple TC.
Well forgive me for not reading every thread in every category every single day.
I only commented on that one part of a particular post, then read your reply , in which was taunting the Trainers, My Squad, and me personally.
As you claimed you know me and proceeded to say I lie and do so willingly as the way I took it.
I guess all that matters is what one learns from experience, I know from experience that you want the last word Morph.
well here is my reply to you calling marine a chump, calling me one who lies, and trying to put your opinions upon everyone
The End (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=999999999999999)
it seems you and a few others have learned a good bit in the last year or so......kudos to you
I am ready to let this go now if you are:aok
TC
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
The Lowest Form Of The Game (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106999)
Here we go again :(
Was this really necessary? It always goes downhill from here.
Morph is not trying to "Froce" his opinion on anyone. He is just calling it (Marine dude) how he sees it.
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I only commented on that one part of a particular post, then read your reply , in which was taunting the Trainers, My Squad, and me personally.
Call it how you will TC.
You felt the need to stick your big nose into it, all the while deffending Ren when even he knew he was in the wrong. Your foolish to think I would sit here and agree with you that Ren's a good guy for deffending a loser like Marine.
You've both run out of excuses leaving you no choice but to create another angle for your intentions.
Ren is wrong. End of story. As is Marine for performing those kinds of actions.
Tell me where I was taunting you though. Or the trainers?
Or is the fact that I am right here, and your bud Ren is wrong making you sink to a lower state of exsistence?
Funny how when questions are asked by someone. People will often asume the negative.
What you fail to understand is that I haven't told Marine how to "play" his game. I've simply stated my opinions on both the lame way he plays the game, and the deffence given to him by Ren.
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I dont get it either. I fly dumb but enjoy myself. Once every so often I'll grab a plane and try to play smart. Usually I get qutie a few when I do this, but normally, not much more than I do when I dont gaf.
I think alot of folks are employed by painting contractors...as application surveyors.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Some times, when Morph or YUCCA kills you, it may feel like you just got vulched. Then you realize you were at 5K and had been flying for over 5 minutes.
I think that is called a cheap shot in my book. You brought that thread up to prove what, that Ren and Marine are not wrong? How ar ethe two threads related?
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Originally posted by dedalos
You brought that thread up to prove what, that Ren and Marine are not wrong? How ar ethe two threads related?
There's only one reason I can think of...when you are obviously wrong you have to change the subject in an attempt to get folks to quit focusing on your errors.
INdefenseable!
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LOL, yeah ded I was looking for the connection myself.
What the defenders of the Chump are missing, is that the way MarineChump is playing is not game play. Do you think HTC has anywhere in the help or marketing material... "Fly around like an arse avoiding fights at all cost doing whatever you can to annoy and piss off the community." or how about... "Fly like a complete radish and bail from your plane as soon as you get into trouble."
Ren and TC, what the chump is doing is not game play. It is abuse of the game.
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL, yeah ded I was looking for the connection myself.
funny how some of the posters/replyers fail to see a connection, it involves game play in both instances.
Originally posted by mars01
What the defenders of the Chump are missing, is that the way MarineChump is playing is not game play.
TC, what the chump is doing is not game play. It is abuse of the game.
Mars, I am not defending bailing out marine. I reposted both my thoughts below and my offering of help to him though.
marine if you want help to expand and find more interesting things to do in Aces High, join us in Scenario's, KOTH tournaments, snap shots, there is more to Aces High than just flying around the Main arena bailing out at will!
as a community member, I despize gamers, chickenchits, and Ho'ers who do not take the time to learn the capabilitys of the plane/GV/boat they fly/maneuver and revert to gamey tactics. ( let me edit and add to this first part, I despize those that have been here for a significant length of time and not took it upon themselves to fill their noodle with the readily available knowledge at hand to learn from!!! hope that makes it clearer)
and yep Morph, I do have a big nose
previous post has been edited as well
TC
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funny how some of the posters/replyers fail to see a connection, it involves game play in both instances.
I didn't and don't see the connection, because what chumpy is doing is not game play.
Also MarineChump is beyond reproach, it is obvious he has no intention of getting any better. By his own admittance, he is only here to piss off people that are trying to play the game.
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I would go back and edit/delete that post. It does not help anyone or prove anything.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I would go back and edit/delete that post. It does not help anyone or prove anything.
ded, I have already edited mine, 2 of you need to edit yours. ;)
TC
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
ded, I have already edited mine, 2 of you need to edit yours. ;)
TC
I did not see that.
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Originally posted by DipStick
To bring those just arriving up to speed:
{1} x0847marine is a confirmed dolt/putz... (he runs and bails alot)
{2} Ren comes in a close 2nd... (a lawyer attempting to defend said "run and bailer")
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA we already know about Morph and more's the pity. Don't tell me you're another kid trying to make a name for himself too? Slap, slap! Now go whine to your momma. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
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The Damned
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Call it how you will TC.
You felt the need to stick your big nose into it, all the while deffending Ren when even he knew he was in the wrong. Your foolish to think I would sit here and agree with you that Ren's a good guy for deffending a loser like Marine.
You've both run out of excuses leaving you no choice but to create another angle for your intentions.
Ren is wrong. End of story. As is Marine for performing those kinds of actions.
I already told you I pited you and left it at that. I can't feel anymore pity for you than I did then. You do need to get a job at some point and perhaps a life. Maybe that will help you to deal with others. Who's knows? You obviously don't know right from wrong. At least see if your mom can lend you the money to see a shrink. That may help. I hope she has lots of money and maybe one day you'll find out you don't know everything you think you do.
Oh yeah, and I still defend anyones right to play the game they want to and I don't have to call them a chump because they are playing the way they want to. Your opinion still sounds like a typical whine heard on radio chl 200. It sure sounds like those guys who can't run down some mustang and have to make sure everyone in the area knows about it. The only difference is you do it on the boards. It's still the same old whaaaaa, whaaaaa, kiddie whine.
The only lame thing I've heard so far throughout the whole thread is your comments and those of your cronies.
These comments are for your reading enjoyment. Now I will step back and go about my business. Everything you have to say you've said. Go get some help.....soon.:cool:
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The Damned
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Originally posted by mars01
I didn't and don't see the connection, because what chumpy is doing is not game play.
Also MarineChump is beyond reproach, it is obvious he has no intention of getting any better. By his own admittance, he is only here to piss off people that are trying to play the game.
So all you're saying is you can't beat him. Therefore you have to bad mouth him?
What your fail to realize is he IS playing the game. His game. Not your game. He gets you mad because he can. That means you're playing his game. :D. Then you whine about that fact that you are playing his game and he's winning. MUAHAHAHAHA.
Before you open your mouth, take a breath and think about what I just said to you.:cool:
BTW, how old are you? 16?
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Ren
The Damned
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Looks like Ren is the only adult in this thread ... :rolleyes:
... and then woke up.
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Ren,
Do not drink and type anymore. Your grammar is less that satisfactory.
And who the hell do you think you are? Mr T?
You used "Pity" more times than he ever did in a full season.
Its clear to me and the others that you are fighting an already lost battle. Except now your attempts to insult not only me but the rest of the guys who are disagreeing with you are have brought you to an all time low.
You should have just said days ago... I'm sorry morph, Slapshot, Mars, ect ect... I was wrong in saying what I said and wish you all the best. And you could have saved some face here.
What you fail to realize is that I'm not getting mad in the least. If someone is as lame as he is, I will tell them that they are. Booohooo... I guess I hurt some feelings here. Too bad. This kind of lame game play must be reprimanded. And we have every right to say what we think of someones cheap flying, or lack thereof.
The really comical part of your deffence for Marine is also complete fiction. We haven't been telling him how to fly. Only what we thought of his lack of flying. Then when that deffence held absolutely no water, you jumped right to the personal attacks and insults. Which always makes me happy to see, because I know after that I've won and you have lost. In more ways than one.
Morph:)
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i love inter-squad purse swingin'
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Ren,
Do not drink and type anymore. Your grammar is less that satisfactory.
And who the hell do you think you are? Mr T?
You used "Pity" more times than he ever did in a full season.
Its clear to me and the others that you are fighting an already lost battle. Except now your attempts to insult not only me but the rest of the guys who are disagreeing with you are have brought you to an all time low.
You should have just said days ago... I'm sorry morph, Slapshot, Mars, ect ect... I was wrong in saying what I said and wish you all the best. And you could have saved some face here.
What you fail to realize is that I'm not getting mad in the least. If someone is as lame as he is, I will tell them that they are. Booohooo... I guess I hurt some feelings here. Too bad. This kind of lame game play must be reprimanded. And we have every right to say what we think of someones cheap flying, or lack thereof.
The really comical part of your deffence for Marine is also complete fiction. We haven't been telling him how to fly. Only what we thought of his lack of flying. Then when that deffence held absolutely no water, you jumped right to the personal attacks and insults. Which always makes me happy to see, because I know after that I've won and you have lost. In more ways than one.
Morph:)
Oh please Mr wannabe AH graybeard, you et al were trying to tell me how to "fly", how you think I should play this game:
"this kind of lame game play must be reprimanded"-à.. can hide anymore, ‘Morph”.
LMAO.. it 'MUST'.. only your type of game play is acceptable?, eh? lol .. as soon as you see a type of game play that doesn't conform to your opinion, or "type", a "reprimand" is a must. You think your opinion matters? just because?
Who the F are you to reprimand people?, you're nobody unless your name is Hitech, you don't have enough weight as far I'm concerned to even think of setting one single game play 'type' standard. .. just another gamer geek with an opinion who pays $14.95 a month.
lol what a a joke!!
ATTENTION!!, Morph, you have been "reprimanded" on your overt hypocrisy and illusions of AH grandeur. Drop down and stur your stick!!
By the way, noob, you clearly think your opinion holds more weight by the fact you've had an account with this particular game longer than I have, nah.. who you are and how good you think you are at this game means zero to me, ergo so does your opinion on how what "type" of game you think I should play. You're just another digital icon and moniker with 50lbs of BBS mouth... so go ahead type up your reprimand on AH form 5150 and e-mail it to your commander at dork central.... be sure to actually salute your monitor and comment on how you admire his big stick.. then high step to your simpit in uniform and bark orders at your cat.
I play the type of game that I have fun at, be it "learning" your type or doing whatever the hell I want squealing with people by LMAO as they chase me all over the map to watch me bail out... which by the way will go un-noticed by you 9 out of 10 times...
What you fail to grasp is that I’ve been playing flight sim games for years, figuring out this dog fighting model will only take practice.. just like the other games I’ve played. Being new to this game does not equal being an "inexperienced" flight sim gamer being in need of your guidence.
AH is just another game to me and honestly has already become a bit mundane, I don’t see a point in dog fighting to the death to satisfy someone who thinks they matter... and I've done it plenry of times in other games.
I’ll have fun my way and if I stick around long enough will become one of the top players… not because I have mad skills or think I’m a real fighter ace, I simply have a knack for gaming.. and it's nothing that important.
Consider this your official reprimand on thinking your an AH graybeard who's opinion matters... now salute your stick and run along… you cat is awaiting orders on the type of catbox behavior only your expertise, oh great one, can assist him on.
Should his "type" of poop burying not meet your standards, a reprimand will be in order.
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how will you become a top player if you bail everytime someone gets within a kilometerof you.
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Originally posted by thrila
how will you become a top player if you bail everytime someone gets within a kilometerof you.
Way too much common sense there thrila ... go to your room ... ;)
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I play the type of game that I have fun at, be it "learning" your type or doing whatever the hell I want squealing with people by LMAO as they chase me all over the map to watch me bail out... which by the way will go un-noticed by you 9 out of 10 times...
If your idea of fun is running like the little girl you make yourself out to be then bail out... I highly recommend flying off line and allowing the drones to chase you around. When you think they've had enough of your uber skills you can bail out and laugh in their face.
You think playing a game for 3 months makes you good at it?
I know players who've been in flight sims for 10 years and are STILL learning new things. Your a joke. And that's all you ever will be.
Do you honestly think you can sit there and tell us all that your at the top of your game when you can't kill the enemy near you so you bail? Thats a cheap cop-out. And you know as well as I do that if you really gave a dam about getting better you wouldn't do what you do.
Shmucks like you dont belong here. And I'm not the only one in this thread who has told you this. I surely hope though, that now that you know you've reached the top of your game you will soon be gone. Not for my sake but for the sake of the other newer players coming into this game. So they dont see your flying or lack there of as the accepted norm if you suck. As you do.
ATTENTION!!, Morph, you have been "reprimanded" on your overt hypocrisy and illusions of AH grandeur. Drop down and stur your stick
Oh really? By whome? You? Do you honestly think your opinion or words mater at this stage? The only one who agrees with your lame style of flying is Ren, and even he knows he's wrong. Everyone else here sees you for the punk you are. So tell me now. How have I been "repremanded"?
You've been written off as a skilless newb who doesnt care about the game or even care about getting better at it. Not just by me but by the rest of the community.
By the way, noob, you clearly think your opinion holds more weight by the fact you've had an account with this particular game longer than I have, nah.. who you are and how good you think you are at this game means zero to me, ergo so does your opinion on how what "type" of game you think I should play
Is that why you posted your wonderful post telling me how great you are at flight sims? How you have a "knack" at them? Please... Tell me why you felt the need to let this be known to not only me but the rest of us, at how "skillful" you are. If this game really meant nothing to you, you would have left after your two weeks were up. And if my opinion really meant nothing to you, you wouldnt have snapped back with vulgarities and attempted insults, which have only hurt your already lame image.
I’ll have fun my way and if I stick around long enough will become one of the top players… not because I have mad skills or think I’m a real fighter ace, I simply have a knack for gaming.. and it's nothing that important.
I still dont see how bailing out is more fun that actually killing the other plane. To me that would be like turning down a chick at a club for the blow-up doll in your closet. There is no substitute for the real deal. And you are no exception. But if that's how you get off far be it from me to try and stop you.
Again, I will ask you to take note that I haven't told you how to fly your game. I've simply stated along with the others that you are a chump for flying the way you fly.
But that doesnt matter to a highly skilled "flight sim gamer" now does it?
You dont fool me... My opinion matters to you. My words matter to you. You've hung on to every word I've said like the baby seal you are the entire time. If that werent the case you wouldnt have responded the way you did. :)
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Marine.....
Here are some words that have molded how the Blue Knights fly. I seriously doubt you have the intelect to grasp the gravity of these words however I will post them anyway....
....by Dead Man Flying ....."My ultimate goal is to always shoot down the other plane, not to simply avoid it."
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Dead Man Flying ....."My ultimate goal is to always shoot down the other plane, not to simply avoid it."
Amen!
Ps... I still can't see why you are trying to reason with dumb (Ren) and dumber (#marine). It's NOT gonna work. :p
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:eek: I am really amazed that any of you are still posting on here at all.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I still dont see how bailing out is more fun that actually killing the other plane. To me that would be like turning down a chick at a club for the blow-up doll in your closet.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Nomak
Marine.....
Here are some words that have molded how the Blue Knights fly. I seriously doubt you have the intelect to grasp the gravity of these words however I will post them anyway....
....by Dead Man Flying ....."My ultimate goal is to always shoot down the other plane, not to simply avoid it."
Ohh looks like I've ruffled the feathers of the AH vets who think they're cool.. lol time to circle the wagons, eh?
The "Blue Knights" motto is just neato, I mean really "salute your stick"... my eyes are tearing up at just how cool, profound and neat that is. I think I'll tattoo that on my apple.
I hate to tell you this but you're not flying a real airplane, sorry.
It's just a game, and to that end here's a clue that my limited intelect apparently didn't articulate clearly enough... although one of you got it; I'm laughing at you and how seriously you not only take yourselves, but this "game". Or to put it in the words of the dude who got it, I'm purposly yanking your collective chains...
And it's so easy, all I do is play this silly game the way I want while ignoring the self appointed AH vets and thier opinions.
But what the heck, for the sake of argument.. do you think a real combat pilot would conform to your philosophy?
Did Chuck Yager, who vulched and HO'd, bail out when he lost the advantage?, or did he die the AH vet way..
He bailed out and lived to fight another day... as a matter of fact I'll bet you will not find ONE real fighter ace that didn't turn tail and run like his asswasonfire when things didn't go his way. I'd like to see some gamer dork yammer about what a wuss move they made.
"But that was real life and death and this is a game".. exactly.
Perhaps that's how I like to "fly" these days?, I've done it the other way in other games.. the whole fight to the death thing.. but this game places a score emphisis on being killed, so I'm into staying alive this month. .. maybe next month as well.
So her's my motto this month "Catch me if you can"
I realize being an AH fighter ace is the closest many of you will come to being a warrior, but just try to keep in mind this is a game and you are a gamer..
You're not a General, not a fighter ace, not in charge, you have zero rank, you're not flying anything but your imagination and even if you're customer #1.. your opinions on what buttons I should push dont matter.
So oh darn, I guess I'll have to just live with not playing this game the way you think I should.. thankfully my life will go on.
And yes, killing the other plane is more fun, thats why I bail out before getting shot down.. I get a kick out of denying someone fun at my expense... they might have twisted, turned and worked hard to gain the advantage only to watch my chute. I'm an a-hole, but I have fun at it.
I wish there were chute skins, mine would read "LMAO"
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I really don't understand how you're denying someone a kill as you say
they might have twisted, turned and worked hard to gain the advantage only to watch my chute.
If they are that close you give them a free kill, the buffer will say "you have been shot down by x" and theirs "you have shot down marine", they are awarded a free kill. Your statement is flawed and incoherent.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Ohh looks like I've ruffled the feathers of the AH vets who think they're cool.. lol time to circle the wagons, eh?
Not at all.... I am just in awe of your stupidity.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
The "Blue Knights" motto is just neato, I mean really "salute your stick"... my eyes are tearing up at just how cool, profound and neat that is. I think I'll tattoo that on my apple.
Do what ever you please with your genitiala. Just keep it away from me.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
I hate to tell you this but you're not flying a real airplane, sorry.
Man.... Couldnt figure this watermelon out without your profound insight. Its a good thing you let me know that.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
It's just a game, and to that end here's a clue that my limited intelect apparently didn't articulate clearly enough... although one of you got it; I'm laughing at you and how seriously you not only take yourselves, but this "game". Or to put it in the words of the dude who got it, I'm purposly yanking your collective chains...
If you derive entertainment from destroying someone elses entertainment, and you are ok with that ....then you need counseling.
Funny how your story has changed from your original post....There you stated you were bailing to improve your K/D ratio. No you say its to troll the vet players. So which is it? Do you even really know?
Originally posted by x0847Marine
And it's so easy, all I do is play this silly game the way I want while ignoring the self appointed AH vets and thier opinions.
Indeed , you appear to be very talented at taking stupid to a whole new level.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
But what the heck, for the sake of argument.. do you think a real combat pilot would conform to your philosophy?
I couldnt care less. Im not trying to be a real combat pilot.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
Did Chuck Yager, who vulched and HO'd, bail out when he lost the advantage?, or did he die the AH vet way..
He bailed out and lived to fight another day... as a matter of fact I'll bet you will not find ONE real fighter ace that didn't turn tail and run like his asswasonfire when things didn't go his way. I'd like to see some gamer dork yammer about what a wuss move they made.
"But that was real life and death and this is a game".. exactly.
So which is it? You claim that its just a game yet you take it serious enough to try to improve your score by bailing out before you even have a chance to fight.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
I realize being an AH fighter ace is the closest many of you will come to being a warrior, but just try to keep in mind this is a game and you are a gamer..
You're not a General, not a fighter ace, not in charge, you have zero rank, you're not flying anything but your imagination and even if you're customer #1.. your opinions on what buttons I should push dont matter.
"Hello Pot....this is the kettle.... your black"
Originally posted by x0847Marine
And yes, killing the other plane is more fun, thats why I bail out before getting shot down.. I get a kick out of denying someone fun at my expense... they might have twisted, turned and worked hard to gain the advantage only to watch my chute. I'm an a-hole, but I have fun at it.
Here is the saddest part. You will never realize the real true fun that can be had playing this game.
You wana know whats really fun? Being tailed by 3 cons (that means bad guys i.e. red planes) and instead of bailing out turning around and not only fighting but killing all of them. I have done it on more than one occasion. You will never achieve this level of play. You block headed anti community attitude will never allow you to.
Originally posted by x0847Marine
I wish there were chute skins, mine would read "LMAO"
I will be instructing all of my squad mates to kill every chute we see. Just for you.
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The "Blue Knights" motto is just neato, I mean really "salute your stick"... my eyes are tearing up at just how cool, profound and neat that is. I think I'll tattoo that on my apple.
Pretty hefty words from someone who doesn't care too much about opinions. Like I said before. You need me here. I am here to justify your existance no matter how small and minute it is.
You are here for me to provide a perfect examply of what not to be in this game. When I am done with you I will toss you away. Not before then. And its only when I see fit to do so. Dont think you are here posting because you felt like you wanted to. You are here posting because I allowed you. If it were not for me and my words you would not be here. Remember that. And you do care. So stop saying you dont.
This tough guy act doesnt suit you.You suck too badly attempt to fill the role of a tough guy. You can't even bring an insult to me without looking like even more of a fool than you were before.
And it's so easy, all I do is play this silly game the way I want while ignoring the self appointed AH vets and thier opinions.
Ahhhhhh. Hmmm Ok. So wait just a minute.
Is this....
Originally posted by x0847Marine
Ohh looks like I've ruffled the feathers of the AH vets who think they're cool.. lol time to circle the wagons, eh?
The "Blue Knights" motto is just neato, I mean really "salute your stick"... my eyes are tearing up at just how cool, profound and neat that is. I think I'll tattoo that on my apple.
I hate to tell you this but you're not flying a real airplane, sorry.
It's just a game, and to that end here's a clue that my limited intelect apparently didn't articulate clearly enough... although one of you got it; I'm laughing at you and how seriously you not only take yourselves, but this "game". Or to put it in the words of the dude who got it, I'm purposly yanking your collective chains...
And it's so easy, all I do is play this silly game the way I want while ignoring the self appointed AH vets and thier opinions.
But what the heck, for the sake of argument.. do you think a real combat pilot would conform to your philosophy?
Did Chuck Yager, who vulched and HO'd, bail out when he lost the advantage?, or did he die the AH vet way..
He bailed out and lived to fight another day... as a matter of fact I'll bet you will not find ONE real fighter ace that didn't turn tail and run like his asswasonfire when things didn't go his way. I'd like to see some gamer dork yammer about what a wuss move they made.
"But that was real life and death and this is a game".. exactly.
Perhaps that's how I like to "fly" these days?, I've done it the other way in other games.. the whole fight to the death thing.. but this game places a score emphisis on being killed, so I'm into staying alive this month. .. maybe next month as well.
So her's my motto this month "Catch me if you can"
I realize being an AH fighter ace is the closest many of you will come to being a warrior, but just try to keep in mind this is a game and you are a gamer..
You're not a General, not a fighter ace, not in charge, you have zero rank, you're not flying anything but your imagination and even if you're customer #1.. your opinions on what buttons I should push dont matter.
So oh darn, I guess I'll have to just live with not playing this game the way you think I should.. thankfully my life will go on.
And yes, killing the other plane is more fun, thats why I bail out before getting shot down.. I get a kick out of denying someone fun at my expense... they might have twisted, turned and worked hard to gain the advantage only to watch my chute. I'm an a-hole, but I have fun at it.
I wish there were chute skins, mine would read "LMAO"
....what you call ignoring it all?
Please. You know as well as I do how badly you need us. How badly you need me. So lets just get past this point of denial already and move on to how badly you really do suck for playing how you play.
But what the heck, for the sake of argument.. do you think a real combat pilot would conform to your philosophy?
I highly doubt that. We play the game for what it is. And enjoy it for everything it has to offer. EVERYTHING it has to offer.
Bailing out because thing's aren't going your way... Or bailing out because you want to be a smart bellybutton and deny someone the event of shooting you down isn't taking advantage of everything this game has to offer. Furthermore its just not fun. No matter what you say to me to rectify your actions can nor will prove otherwise. And like we've all said here, your nothing more than a chump at best for doing so.
You're not a General, not a fighter ace, not in charge, you have zero rank, you're not flying anything but your imagination and even if you're customer #1.. your opinions on what buttons I should push dont matter.
I am your every reason for exsistance. If it were not for me you just be another unknown. Just another shmuck trying to get away with his lame way of on line existance in AH. After this, everyone will know you for what you truely are. A lame baby seal who can't take the heat so he bails out in order to avoid the horrific death that would surely follow.
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Originally posted by Nomak
Indeed , you appear to be very talented at taking stupid to a whole new level
HAHAHAH, sig material if I ever read it!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl
Originally posted by Morpheus
Some new players are a real joy to work with.
Two stick out in my mind right now. Superdud, and Megadud. The venerable Aces High psychotic duo. I had more fun flying with these two and helping them than anyone I've ever given a bit of advice to. They enjoyed "the fight" and the thrills that come along with it. And were there to learn and greatful for someone to take the time to teach them. Every night almost you could find them in a fight somwhere. Giving it there absolute best.
Thx Morph, without the help of guys like you I'd still be turnin circles wondering where the bad guy went:p
I don't really have much to say because all the guys that I know(or know me) that have posted so far, are a great bunch of guys! The 2 groups seem to be having a little fight so I'm gonna stay out of it. The one thing I'll say is Ren & TC being trainers have been very helpful in giving me a feel for the game and even now, so great tips. At the same time, Morph, Nomak, Furball, Redd, basically any BK I've asked to go a few rounds in the DA or help in general has gladly taking the time out to do so. All you guys are great, it's sad to see you guys calling each other names and arguing over something as silly as this. Let the guy do what he wants. A time will come when he gets bored and either quits or decides to try an learn. I just hope there's someone willing to do so after this:( Anywho, I Just saw that line by Nomak and laughed my butt off:D DUD OUT!!!
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Originally posted by iKo
:eek: I am really amazed that any of you are still posting on here at all.
Get the hint?
(http://www.uberh4x0r.org/~lethalp1mp/images/funny/retard.jpg)
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Originally posted by SuperDud
The 2 groups seem to be having a little fight so I'm gonna stay out of it.
All you guys are great, it's sad to see you guys calling each other names and arguing over something as silly as this.
there is no fight between groups Superdud that I am aware of, and no conflict between the Damned & Blue Knights. I have always had nothing but good relations with any BK or really anyone that has posted to this particular thread.
just people with differing opinions is all that is going on here......;)
TC
The Damned
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there is no fight between groups Superdud that I am aware of, and no conflict between the Damned & Blue Knights. I have always had nothing but good relations with any BK or really anyone that has posted to this particular thread.
I agree TC, up until Rens last post, I thought the same thing. We disagree, but that was it. As for his last post...
Ren...
So all you're saying is you can't beat him. Therefore you have to bad mouth him?
Umm where have I said that? You talk about taking a breath before I open my mouth. :rolleyes: Now your just making cheese up. Every time this moron bails he is beaten. I'll let you take a moment to figure that one out.
Times up.
What your fail to realize is he IS playing the game. His game. Not your game. He gets you mad because he can. That means you're playing his game. . Then you whine about that fact that you are playing his game and he's winning. MUAHAHAHAHA.
I am not mad at all. I think Marine is a looser and a chump but he does not anger me. The world is full of radishs like Marine, it still doesn't make it right. And I am glad most people in here will speak up when they see something that is wrong.
And Ummm again and for the last time, clean the cheese out of your ears, I don't agree that his gayness is gameplay. You do, and I think you are wrong. I know you are wrong, you don't and that is unfortunate since you are a trainer. I think I have said enough on this. If you can't grasp it that is your problem.
BTW - I fight in the middle of mostly reds, therefore I would never run into Chumpy, because I'd be too busy fighting with the guys that are actually playing the game. So no he is not winning anything except the Chump award.
Before you open your mouth, take a breath and think about what I just said to you.
BTW, how old are you? 16?
You know Ren it is just this kind of crap that makes you look like even a bigger arse. What were you trying to achive by this drivel. Seems your acting more like a 16yr old bud. Nice way for an AH trainer to act.:rolleyes: lolh.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
... blah blah blah ... I'm an a-hole ... blah blah
We figured that out quite awhile ago ... glad you re-enforced it for for us. Admitting it, is the first step to salvation.
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Poor sportsmanship is nothing to be proud of, it's not like
your chair gets set on fire u get shot down or anything.
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Agreed. Here-Here well said. marine move on
happy hunting