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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Fishu on April 09, 2005, 03:29:04 AM
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Man gets nine years for spamming (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4426949.stm)
man has been sentenced to nine years in jail by a Virginia judge for sending millions of junk emails, or "spamming".
Jeremy Jaynes, 30, is the first person in the US to get a prison term in a spam case. He is said to have been the world's eighth most prolific spammer.
About time!
I want to see more of these news!
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8th most prolific spammer at 10 MILLION spam emails a day, and making up to 3/4 of a million dollars a month.....unreal. Glad they caught this guy. Wonder how many emails a day the #1 guy sends out....
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There IS justice after all :)
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sad wont even notice a difference in your email.
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A small victory..but a victory none the less.
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Is this the "noodle Enlargement" spam dude...or the "Hello, I'm lonely and my husband is out of town" dude.
Or...one of the "Cheap Canadian Pharmacies"?
Either way...glad he is gone.
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They should have just put him to the gas chamber! :D
dago
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9 YEARS???
Thats crazy. what is wrong with people. You spam and you get 9 years. You are a Violent Felon and you get less.
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big deal. the spammers will just come from India in the future. Even that job will get outsourced..mark me words!
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Originally posted by OIO
big deal. the spammers will just come from India in the future. Even that job will get outsourced..mark me words!
The black ops boys should get ahead of this and put a team in India ready to whack any known or suspected spammers! :aok Death to all spammers!!!!
dago
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Originally posted by Trell
9 YEARS???
Thats crazy. what is wrong with people. You spam and you get 9 years. You are a Violent Felon and you get less.
Virginia just passed legislation to crack down on that sort of stuff....and the justice system here is harsh on just about everybody thats guilty of a crime.
Personally I think it should be added to our bill of rights that you have the right not to be bothered with unsolicited email..mail..phone calls..and pop up advertisements
Just call it a constitutional right not to be annoyed.
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lol, yes Y don't we also put it in the constitution that we don't want TV ads, radio ads, bill board adds. Or anything at all that may want to sell you something. Lets make it our right to shoot a person handing anything out outside of a store because they may bother you...
Y not we are giving 9 years to people. that sent you an email.:rolleyes:
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Trell,
You're a closet spammer, right? You got some sort of online business going and you're scared? Too bad. The spammers were warned and a great number of the worst ones are also running scams. It's about stealing millions of dollars from unsuspecting chumps just as much as it is about putting 100+ spam emails a day into my inbox, or intruding into my squad's private email list.
I say roast them. They are collectively causing enormous damage to the usability of the internet as well as costing everyone money to deal with their crap. A billboard does not come into my office and offer to sell me porn or noodle enlargers. It's completely different from traditional advertisement, and intrusive panhandlers have been on the wrong side of the law since society began. Why should a spammer be dealt with any more kindly than a guy on the street who gets in your face and harrasses you about buying his porn or dildo collection, preventing you from going about your business? They're both socially intolerable and both sets of actions are against the law. They've been warned but they persist.
As my final word on this since it's all a bunch of yak yak yak, I think that long jail terms for spammers is more desirable than the govt leaving it up to vigilante justice to deal with. Given the cyber attacks and even real postal mail bulk mail attacks that have already been carried out against "outed" spammers, I think it may have just been a matter of time before someone started firebombing these guys. Vigilante actions have been carried out against much less annoying groups of people in the past, and I'm glad the govt is heading them off by taking action before normal people get fed up and act on their own.
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Hi Ya Eagl,
What with the Spidy avatar, I always wondered if you have a set of Spiderman pajamas? :D
Death to Spammers!!!
dago
the merciful
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Originally posted by Trell
lol, yes Y don't we also put it in the constitution that we don't want TV ads, radio ads, bill board adds. Or anything at all that may want to sell you something. Lets make it our right to shoot a person handing anything out outside of a store because they may bother you...
Y not we are giving 9 years to people. that sent you an email.:rolleyes:
TV..you can change the channel...people outside stores..you can just walk by...but when you access your e-mail it's there and you often have to sift through it to find the real e-mail..it's time consuming..bill boards and TV are legit because you can choose to ignore it..not spam..and pop ups and the such.
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Lets not forget the huge amounts of money being spent to block or filter out spam. ISPs, software manufacturers like MS, etc are spending millions to block this crap. Many consumers have to spend a lot of money to buy commercial programs to block this crap. Many times the spam is for x-rated products and websites, which if opened at a persons place of employment can put his very employment at risk.
The methods used to try and trick a person into viewing the spam, or to get around filters and blocks is the most telling sign that even the spammers know their crap is unwanted. They don't care, they just want to force their spam crap down our throats.
I say, if they will not make it possible to unsubscribe, or do not honor requests to stop spam, then they should be jailed as a result of the costly problem they are causing.
dago
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Originally posted by Trell
9 YEARS???
Thats crazy. what is wrong with people. You spam and you get 9 years. You are a Violent Felon and you get less.
Note that he did also steal AOL's e-mail list, used alot fake email addys, changed router information....
Besides causing alot of expenses which of he didn't have to pay a dime for.
Usually people are expected to pay for the services.
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I got an email "misspiss is waiting for you",i think it was from this guy:D
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Originally posted by ASTAC
TV..you can change the channel...people outside stores..you can just walk by...but when you access your e-mail it's there and you often have to sift through it to find the real e-mail..it's time consuming..bill boards and TV are legit because you can choose to ignore it..not spam..and pop ups and the such.
I had to create folders in my inbox, then sift through all the spam to find emails from friends/family, then create message rules to have those *real* emails go to the folders just so I dont miss the emails I want to see.
I average 1000 spam emails a week in my inbox. At one point I tryed to get myself removed from mailing lists by scrolling down and clicking the *remove me from mail list* links. This only made the problem worse.
I'm glad they sent this social reject to jail for 9 years, this guy was scamming $750,000 a MONTH from people.
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jumping for freaking joy.
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Originally posted by Elfie
I had to create folders in my inbox, then sift through all the spam to find emails from friends/family, then create message rules to have those *real* emails go to the folders just so I dont miss the emails I want to see.
I average 1000 spam emails a week in my inbox. At one point I tryed to get myself removed from mailing lists by scrolling down and clicking the *remove me from mail list* links. This only made the problem worse.
I'm glad they sent this social reject to jail for 9 years, this guy was scamming $750,000 a MONTH from people.
when you click 'remove me" that makes you a "known responder" and they can sell your e-mail addy for more money.
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Originally posted by Trell
lol, yes Y don't we also put it in the constitution that we don't want TV ads, radio ads, bill board adds. Or anything at all that may want to sell you something. Lets make it our right to shoot a person handing anything out outside of a store because they may bother you...
Y not we are giving 9 years to people. that sent you an email.:rolleyes:
Apples and oranges, to an extent. TV Ads are what to pays for your free entertainment on network television. You endured the ads in order to receive the programming.
Now, cable muddies the water up a little bit because you're paying for a service in addition to being hit by advertising. I guess it's just the price you pay for all the extra channels.
Radio ads.. same thing. You are subjected to the ads because they pay the costs necessary for you to listen to your favorite radio station.
In these cases, advertising pays the costs necessary to deliver entertainment to the consumer. If enough folks aren't entertained, people dont advertise and the shows get cancelled. That is fair and equitable.
Billboards.. well, in places where folks are sick of them, they are being de-zoned and discontinued.
The really aggravating thing about spammers is that they go to great lengths to disguise their messages to get through e-mail filters.
Excuse me.. if I have an e-mail filter set up, what makes you think I'm going to suddenly welcome the spam if it gets through?
Quite the contrary.
Spammers represent the lowest form of life. They are either intentionally trying to annoy me by constantly bombarding me with stuff I don't want, or they are going to these extreme measures just to see if they can beat the system and get their messages through.
Such blatent lack of respect for people is proof that they are not worthy enough to exist in our society.
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APDrone,
Don't forget the advertisers pays for the adds in TV, radio, billboards...
...unlike in the spamming cases.
Thats a big difference.
However sending spam is not free for the operator which is used to send large quantities of e-mail.
These millions of e-mails uses huge amount processing power and takes alot of bandwidth too.
Same for the receiving end, especially when it gets to the point where the spam is received and needs to be processed, if the automatic filters haven't been able to do the trick due to methods to bypass the filter.
Plus the filters do also consume processing power from the server.
Spammers sure do cause alot of costs in many places and they only have to pay for their computer and the internet connection.
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Originally posted by john9001
when you click 'remove me" that makes you a "known responder" and they can sell your e-mail addy for more money.
Yeah, I found that out :mad:
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Fishu,
Absolutely.
I 'own' a couple of domains and I get spammed by those trying to subscribe me to spamming services. ( 25 million e-mail addresses )
It's absolutely nuts. I don't think a constitutional ammendment is necessary.. Just have the FCC sic Carnivore after them.
And give us a no-spam list.
The no-call list has worked like a charm.
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I used to get spam. I don't anymore. And, I freely give out my e-mail address anytime its requested.
The secret is two-fold: 1) the ISP that hosts my e-mail address uses an effective spam/virus firewall (Barracuda) 2) what little manages to slip past that gets caught by a resident installation of Mailwasher before I download it (Mailwasher queries your POP3 server to retrieve header information) and deleted from the server.
I abhor spam, support law against it, and like the idea of this butthole getting whacked, but the idea that we have a constitutional right to not be bothered by this is absurd. (But that's another discussion ;))
culero
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""Jeremy Jaynes, 30, is the first person in the US to get a prison term ""
this is what happens when you name your kid "jeremy"
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Originally posted by Curval
Is this the "noodle Enlargement" spam dude...or the "Hello, I'm lonely and my husband is out of town" dude.
Or...one of the "Cheap Canadian Pharmacies"?
Either way...glad he is gone.
My bet is on Nigerian prince
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Heya Dago
The avatard is just something I found funny, and it's my way of poking a little fun at those who take their avatards too seriously.
Not much else going on. I had to unplug my joystick to run the GTR demo, but it installed that starforce cdrom/dvd device driver thingy and flat-out killed my cdr/rw drive (I think) plus taxes suck so pretty much I've been limited to reading the BBS a few minutes a day.
Work sucks too. Busy busy. I've started getting taskers and calls/emails from some higher-ups on the weekend too. I can't complain 'cause it's good visibility and may help me in the future, but it just takes up a lot of time that's all.
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Originally posted by eagl
Heya Dago
The avatard is just something I found funny, and it's my way of poking a little fun at those who take their avatards too seriously.
Yeah, as you can tell, I put months of thought and work into my avatar, it must represent me and everything about me to the world. :D
dago
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I get about one spam piece a day, and it goes right to the spam folder.
Try not giving out your e-mail address to every freaking site that asks. And if you absolutely must, create a free web account to send passwords, etc. to, and use your real account for other purposes.
This problem is not as bad as you make it out to be. Just suck it up and be smart about using the internet.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Try not giving out your e-mail address to every freaking site that asks. And if you absolutely must, create a free web account to send passwords, etc. to, and use your real account for other purposes.
It becomes a problem when the e-mail will be used as your business/working e-mail.
Like I've made a mod and I couldn't have just kept the e-mail addy hidden and the free e-mail accounts aren't good all around.
I did once create a hotmail account, never used it and after 2 weeks it was full of spam, so full it couldn't been used without frustration. :rolleyes:
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Whatever happened to that guy who tried to smuggle a monkey in his pants on an international flight ?
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My main email account went for several years without one spam. I have a seperate junk account for commercial stuff that needs an email.
Then, one day a "friend" of mine wants me to view a dumb video on a website, so he fills in the "send this to a friend" box with my main email. I could have killed him when he did that. Sure enough, my main account has been getting spammed now, after several careful years with zero spam.
I reamed him out for that.
dago
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Originally posted by hawker238
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This problem is not as bad as you make it out to be. Just suck it up and be smart about using the internet.
Consider yourself very fortunate.
And, yes, the problem is as bad as we make it out.
Think about it.
A couple things have occured. My e-mail addresses ( plural.. I have 7 ) have managed to make it onto e-mail lists somewhere. Granted, a couple I set up 10 or so years ago were back in the early years of the internet, where you could publicly extract all sorts of member information from different ISPs ( aol, geosomething.. etc ) and the evil ones used these lists to begin the assault of what we call 'spam' today.
Now, your first response is 'Well, get a new e-mail addy' .. to which my response is 'Why should I have to? '
Then, People are maliciously clogging up the internet sending millions and millions of completely useless and UNWANTED e-mail every day. Why? To be ornery or to, perhaps, snag the unknowing naive user. Either way.. it's evil and naughty.
Those who continue to do so are simply doing it to piss us off.
Fine.. they succeeded.. they've been warned. They can serve the time.
I hope they get a cell with 'Bubba'. Who likes to play 'chase the soap.'
There is no need for spam. It serves no positive purpose. It should be eliminated.
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All the spam does also eat up surprisingly alot of bandwidth worldwide and slow down e-mail servers used to flood it.
If this kind of action is allowed to go on, then more spammers will join up and send even more spam, seeing it as FREE money at the cost of the others.
At the end YOU will be the one PAYING for the spam, as increased fees on ISP's and other services.
The USA really should apply same kind of law on e-mail marketing as they have on the fax marketing.
The EU is already working against the e-mail spamming.
The US anti-fax marketing law is quite neat, since it does punish the company if they are being advertised, which means they can't do it even from abroad without breaking the law.
Thats what we need for the e-mail in the states.
Then most of the western world companies would be out of the spamming business.
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3/4 Mill.. a month??? I had better get busy !
*franticaly notes every email addresses*
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Originally posted by Trell
9 YEARS???
Thats crazy. what is wrong with people. You spam and you get 9 years. You are a Violent Felon and you get less.
Yup, used to live in FLA, Guy could go to 7/11, shoot/kill the clerk, go prison, be out before 7 years was up...rape..even less
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Spamming outsourced? It's one thing to get spam that is annoying as hell, but to get spam you can't even read/understand in broken English is even worse!:)
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Originally posted by Dago
My main email account went for several years without one spam. I have a seperate junk account for commercial stuff that needs an email.
Then, one day a "friend" of mine wants me to view a dumb video on a website, so he fills in the "send this to a friend" box with my main email. I could have killed him when he did that. Sure enough, my main account has been getting spammed now, after several careful years with zero spam.
I reamed him out for that.
dago
Same thing happened to me. I get a new ISP and not 6 months after i got it, i see a message to my wife saying a new survey is ready for her :mad: She said her grandma told her to sign up and ever since then I get spammed everyday. Damn i wish she would learn!!!
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Originally posted by bj229r
Yup, used to live in FLA, Guy could go to 7/11, shoot/kill the clerk, go prison, be out before 7 years was up...rape..even less
i bet the same guys with a bag of weed on them would of gotten mandatory 10-15, go figure!!!
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Originally posted by Curval
Is this the "noodle Enlargement" spam dude...or the "Hello, I'm lonely and my husband is out of town" dude.
Or...one of the "Cheap Canadian Pharmacies"?
Either way...glad he is gone.
Gone? Some prisons farm out low cost labor for web-based merchandising. He's probably going to be running the prison's internet based order processing system.
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Telemarketers next please!
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Telemarketers next please!
It's called the Federal do not call list..only charities and politicians are allowed to call if you are on the list..maybe a "do not spam" list?
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Who Spams? I mean honestly, do you go around saying, "Yeah, I email thousands of people to trick them into buying noodle enlargement pills and then steal their information."
I bet he lived with his mom and was the president of the AV Club in high school.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
maybe a "do not spam" list?
It would turn into a "free list of spammable e-mails"
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since most of all open mail relays are located in the US, it was funny that nothing has happen untill now.
http://www.ordb.org/statistics/countries/
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Used to get a ton of spam for hotmail, but it seems to have died off. Wonder if that was the spammer
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(http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/05apr/xuf007810.gif)
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"I pronounce you, bubba and b**ch..."
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ya know... I would really like to meet a spammer and spam him in person a little.
I can't do that tho but...
I am not sure I understand why we don't just do a simple solution to the whole thing...
why not every server that handles mail charge like five cents per email people send after say.... 100 per month?
If you are sending more than 100 a month you are probly a spammer or making money off the emails and need to contribute.
hell... maybe I just don't use it enough.... make it 200 a month.
lazs
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LOL Laz..
By your own definition..
You're averaging over 260 BBS posts/month. :eek:
Forum Spammer!!!!!
Skuzzy!! You can make a killing!!
Sorry, coudn't resist..
:rofl
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Not too puter savy but I thought we were talking about email? still... if it is load on server or whatever.... pick a number. I can live with it. You can also simply put me on ignore.. unlike some I don't switch handles and such. One little ignore and I am out of your life forever on this board.
lazs