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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: oboe on April 10, 2005, 12:15:51 AM
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I caught this video late tonight on a local cable access channel. It shows hogs being slaughtered at a slaughterhouse in Hugo, Minnesota.
I'm a meat eater and not against hunting, but what I saw made me nearly sick to my stomach. They hoist the pigs up on a rope by one of their rear legs, then slit their throats while they kick, squeal, and struggle. A large metal tub collects the blood as it drains from the struggling animal. I had assumed slaughterhouses would use some kind of tool to put down the animal as quickly, efficiently and painlessly as possible, boy was I wrong.
http://www.defendingfarmanimals.org/live_meat_videos.htm (http://www.defendingfarmanimals.org/live_meat_videos.htm)
This is the kind of treatment animals get when factory farms take the place of family farms, says the organization responsible for the video.
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The sledge was the best. My brother could get ‘em in one whack.
Hey… you like headcheese?
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nothing more cost effective than gravity and elbow grease.
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OMG TEHY ARE KILLING AMINALS FOR FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
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I've seen the movie PETA says will turn you vegitarian..
It didn't work..
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Awww... I'm sure it only hurts'em for a couple seconds, now pass the bacon!
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Originally posted by Heiliger
Hey… you like headcheese?
Only with lots of red-pepper.
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Is the simpsons video:
Meat and You: Partners in Freedom!
:rofl :rofl
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In the US, federally inspected pork and beef slaughter planes must comply with the humane slaughter act. This requires the animals are rendered unconscious before being killed.
Most pork slaughter plants use a stunning wand that delivers an electric shock to the brain to render the pigs unconscious before they are killed by bleeding. Audits have shown that about 91% of plants rendered 100% of pigs unconscious.
Some restaurants and supermarket companies, such as McDonald’s and Wendy’s also do their own audits to ensure humane practices.
It’s not perfect but there have been tremendous improvement in the last 10 years.
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Yes I was just poking around that groups website, and did learn what was shown in the video is against Minnesota statute - which is very close in wording to what you describe as the federal humane slaughter act.
Apparently the MN Dep of Ag practices a "look the other way" method of enforcement on the statues.
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For what purpose? Catching illegal behavior is a good excuse for the state to pick up some fine revenue.
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Might be more complicated than that. If you fine a slaughterhouse, perhaps you are depriving them of the very funds necessary for them to upgrade to stun guns, or whatever equipment a more humane method requires.
Or maybe our commissioner himself is enjoying certain economic advantages by not enforcing the statute.
If it were up to me, I hoist up the workers by one leg for a few hours, then cut the rope and let them fall in their heads into the pig blood/entrails. Then I'd padlock the doors on the place and deny their unemployment compensation.
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I've been to a couple of slaughter houses. They're obviously killing animals here, but they are not doing it efficiently.
My guess is that this is some sort of co-op chock full of amateurs. There's no way this is a factory farm. If it were a factory style slaughter house, there would be six to twelve animals hanging, not one... and they'd all be dead.
Oh... and are we certain that this is Minnesota? All of the people look hispanic. Between that and their methods, I wonder if it's in America at all.
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I remember my Grandmother grabbing a chicken by it's neck and spinning it till the head popped off. It tasted mighty good that evening. You bunch of Nancyboys need to grow a pair. If FoodCity, Kroger or wherever you buy your food at went out of business you ladies would starve.
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A slice to the neck is more humane than what happens to cows in the wild in North America. Granted, they are introduced animals, but that doesnt stop grizzlies and wolves from ripping them to shreds.
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Why is a pig more worthy of a less painfull death than sushi or lobster ?
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I don’t think they’re hispanic, they’re Hmong. This is a private slaughterhouse that serves Asian and African immigrants who practice traditional animal sacrifice as a part of their religious ceremonies. Because it’s private, it may not be subject to federal inspection. There was a lawsuit over this that came down to issues related to freedom to practice religion.
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Sushi?
My god, now we are killing sushi in the most inhumane ways possible?
Is it even legal to "farm" sushi, or are we still having to go out and catch'em? (hope we are using barbless hooks in that case).
I tell ya, us humans is getting sicker and sicker in our quest for food.
I mean, whats next? We gonna rape the tofu stocks in the sea of Japan?
I've had enough. Nothing but bark, nuts and berries for me from now on.
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You missed the point.
People pick and choose which animals they want to defend. Lobsters are boiled alive, and he's complaining about pigs having their throats cut.
It's like when all the handsomehunkes were freaking out about tuna with dolphin meat in it. Who cares if the tuna are killed, just don't harm the cute dolphins.
Why isn't dolphin meat on the market anyway ? Nice beefy red meat, gotta be tastier than tuna.
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I don't eat anything that has a face!
(http://www.trendwatching.com/resources/imageFiles/GRAND_BOUTIQUE/christopher%20lowell%202.jpg)
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Why isn't dolphin meat on the market anyway ? Nice beefy red meat, gotta be tastier than tuna."
similar reasons to dog meat.
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I'm not sure why this is, but I make a distinction between warm-blooded and cold-blooded animals, and animals that have a voice and display intelligence and emotion. Its easier to personalize them maybe.
I'm not against killing them for food; I just think the animal should not be conscious when it is bled out - like the state law says.
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I like my meat wrapped up nicely by a butcher...with one of those meat maxi-pads under it to catch all the yucky blood and stuff.
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Back in '89 I worked for a Farmland Foods plant just outside Crete NE. That plant stuns the hog (with elctricity) before slitting the animals throat. In '89 that one plant slaughtered 1000 hogs an hour.
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Originally posted by vorticon
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similar reasons to dog meat.
Which I might add.. having spent a little time in Korea, aint all that bad .
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You think the pig really cares? I mean, c'mon, you know that pig isn't standing in line goin, "Ya know, if they don't shock me unconcious before killing me, I'm going to- OH GOD OH GOD MY LEGS OH SWEET MERCIFUL OH GOD THATS A HUGE KNIFE OH GOD OH GOD GURRGGLLEGLGLGLGGG GLGUB GLUB GLUB GLUB AAAACKKK OOOOH GOOBOUD"
And the pig behind him goes "Ya know, if they don't shock me unconcious unlike that guy, I'm going to call PETA and tell them abo- OH GOD OH GOD MY LEGS THIS HURTS OH SWEET HEYZUES!"
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You guys should see how California based slaughterhouse "prepares" Kosher cows. Now THAT was sick. Im not putting a link here, but do a search on Ogrish.com forums.
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Originally posted by RTSigma
You think the pig really cares?
Considering that pigs are quite smart animals, yes, i would think that it makes a difference.
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Originally posted by RTSigma
You think the pig really cares? I mean, c'mon, you know that pig isn't standing in line goin, "Ya know, if they don't shock me unconcious before killing me, I'm going to- OH GOD OH GOD MY LEGS OH SWEET MERCIFUL OH GOD THATS A HUGE KNIFE OH GOD OH GOD GURRGGLLEGLGLGLGGG GLGUB GLUB GLUB GLUB AAAACKKK OOOOH GOOBOUD"
And the pig behind him goes "Ya know, if they don't shock me unconcious unlike that guy, I'm going to call PETA and tell them abo- OH GOD OH GOD MY LEGS THIS HURTS OH SWEET HEYZUES!"
You didn't watch the video did you? Because its pretty obvious from what I saw on the cable access show that is almost exactly what they are thinking. Pigs are as smart as dogs.
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If you eat meat you should at least be prepared to kill and prepare the meat. Even if only once in your life. Too many people buy nice little packs from the supermarket wthout any thought about how that pack gets there then get all squeamish over the reality.
I'm not suggesting we all set up mini abbatoirs but if the thought of killing an animal for food upsets you then eat vegetarian. Theres plenty of good vegetarian food.
Personaly I like meat and am fully aware of how it arrives on the plate. Rabbit is pretty good, and chicken.
By all means be as humane as possible but don't get all squeamish. Meat is dead animal!
I did a short time in a factory killing thousands of chickens a day. Not nice but if we want to eat em it has to be done.
By the way I wouldn't eat these chicken burger, poultry "product" things I know what goes in em, and it aint the prime cuts.
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I'm not going to become a vegetarian as a result of the video.
I do prefer that thinking, feeling animals are dispatched as humanely as possible, according to state and federal law, rather than being hoisted by the hind legs and having their throats slashed while they are fully conscious, as the video shows.
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I agree, humanely is the way.
It also applies to how the animal is kept prior top slaughter.
In Britain Pigs must be kept in open fields. So I always buy British Bacon. likewise I don't eat veal, or eggs produced by battery hens.
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Bleeding to death is not painful. The romans preferred that form of suicide. The most pain the hog would feel would be the knife cutting. I expect most (if you live long enough) will experience much more pain at the doctors office.
My grandfather used to slaughter his own pigs. It was before my time so I never got to witness that sort of thing. Everything but the squeel was used. Personally, I would not want to hear the animal squeeling as it bleed to death, but it's not suffering. I have to wonder why they would not want to knock them out.
PETA is a joke and not a very good one at that. They don't do their homework and advocate such things as not drinking milk because of the treatment of dairy cattle. If you don't treat a dairy cow properly, they won't produce milk.
I have not searched out a video of slaughtering conscious hogs, but I expect it would not be pleasant to watch. I don't like watching medical video's either.
Regards,
Malta
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Originally posted by stantond
Bleeding to death is not painful. The romans preferred that form of suicide. The most pain the hog would feel would be the knife cutting. I expect most (if you live long enough) will experience much more pain at the doctors office.
The problem is restraint of the animal during the throat cut and bleeding. Pigs are typically hung upside down by their legs during this procedure. This is quite stressful and considered inhumane, which is why they are supposed to be rendered unconscious by stunning before going on the bleed rail.
An exception to this is ritual slaughter of cattle, sheep and goats according to the Jewish and Muslem diet codes. In the US, ritual slaughter is exempt from the humane slaughter act in order to protect freedom of religion (this is not the case in Canada and Europe). These animals are not required to be stunned prior to bleeding. Most large plants use a system that restrains the animal in a comfortable upright position. With proper technique and knife design, this results in minimal stress to the animal.
In addition to the humane aspects, avoiding excess pain and stress improves meat quality, avoids delays in the line due to balking animals, and is safer for personnel.
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Originally posted by myelo
In addition to the humane aspects, avoiding excess pain and stress improves meat quality, avoids delays in the line due to balking animals, and is safer for personnel.
That is not true, these meat producers would not be concerned about product quality, efficiency, profits, safety or anything eldse. Thjeir primary goal is to induce pain and suffering to the animals, and that video proves it!
:rofl
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Hehe, accross from campus one day, the neighbors that lived about 100 feet from our grounds were killing a pig by jamming a large wooden pole into it's mouth and down it's throat.
I assume they were trying to puncture it's organs? Well this tortue went on for about an hour before the pig was finally killed. Thought that was a terrible way to do it.
Most of the folks around were pretty quiet for the rest of the day having witnessed it.
I'm not a pro, but there has got to be a better way. Maybe living on Hawaii, which is infested with stupid locals, has got something to do with it. :p
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Myelo,
You strike me as someone who knows something about which you speak. Are you in the meat industry?
Grun, the organization is not PETA. Its called Defending Farm Animals. The website is http://www.defendingfarmanimals.org
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PETA is a joke and not a very good one at that. They don't do their homework and advocate such things as not drinking milk because of the treatment of dairy cattle. If you don't treat a dairy cow properly, they won't produce milk.
PETA pulls the same thing with Mink farms. PETA says the mink are abused and mistreated, kept in dirty pens and not taken care of. Thats just rediculous, if it were true the pelts would never go prime and the mink farmer would go out of buisiness in a hurry.
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Here's a true story about when I worked at Farmland Foods.
MY job was boning the shank (knee down) on hams. I did this as the ham went by me on the conveyor belt. The next guy on the line boned out the femur.
One day, I noticed this horrible smell as I was boning a shank. The guy boning the femur was running behind that day since he was experiencing difficulties keeping his knife sharp. He should have been about 3 feet from me, instead he was about 15 feet further down the line. As he ran his knife through this one particular ham he discovered that the entire inside of the ham was abcessed (sp?). How did he discover this? The abcess burst and the contents squirted him directly in the face. His response was to IMMEDIATELY vomit all over the line! I am normally a sympathy puker, but I somehow managed to hold back the bile that day. :D
They had to shut down the line and sterlize it all over again. The guy that puked got yelled at by the foreman for making a mess all over the line.
Before I worked in a slaughter house my favorite meat was ham. 15 years later I am just getting to where I can eat ham and enjoy it again. However, seeing someone eat guacamole sauce still makes me gag to this day. (Guacamole is the same color and consistency as the inside of an adcess).
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One of the toughest factory jobs I had was in a food processing plant, where I worked on the rib-boning line one summer during college. My job was to open the boxes of ribs at the end of the conveyor line and sent the meat down the line to the cutters. Just when I got good enough to keep up with the cutters, they gave me a second line to keep stocked!
One morning at 6:30am I opened the boxes where the rib meat had started to turn - alot of the meat was splotched with blue/green where it shoulda been red. And boy what a smell that early in the morning. Had to breath through my mouth to keep from spewing.