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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Howitzer on April 12, 2005, 12:26:37 AM
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Ok, Howie hasn't been straight with everyone, and has a confession to make:
I don't read instruction manuals for the most part, and I am going to be honest when I say that I didn't know there was even a stall limiter setting on this game for the first year that I played it. :eek: Now I know that sounds N00Bish, but I can't help it. Anyways, when I heard that all the cool kids flew without this "stall limiter" I tried it, and I couldn't seem to do it. Well I just turned it back on and moved on with my life. Well, I want to rectify the situation, but found I have some problems.
I was working with Roscoroo in the DA last night, and it seems that he can pull harder than me and manuever at much lower speeds than I'm able to with my stick. I went into a loop in a spit V, never under 180 mph, and the thing just snap rolls left. I cannot sustain a small turn with just a little rudder at 160+ without entering a flat spin. Rosco even said this looks wrong. I know I'm not pulling hard manuevers, so I need to find the problem. My stick is calibrated fine, but I'm flying under the default AH stick settings... should that change? I still use a twisty stick and I'm opposed to rudder pedals at the moment.
Anyone up for helping me out sometime tomorrow evening? I'm in central time, and we can duel or go to the TA or whatever. I just need some stick help or some pointers.
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I can give you my stick settings, help, etc... At say 10 PM EST? If you wish..
Edit: I use a twisty stick aswell.
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Originally posted by WldThing
I can give you my stick settings, help, etc... At say 10 PM EST? If you wish..
Edit: I use a twisty stick aswell.
Sure that would be great. I'll meet you in the TA if that is alright.
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Great, TA it is.
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Howie..one thing to check. I had a similar problem until I went into my joystick set in game. Go into the setup and move all your axis's slowly and watch the little screen. Make sure that none of the axis's are spiking in any way. Particularly the rudder axis. I still cant fly worth a damn with the Combat Trim off, but when I tried and went into snap rolls etc, I knew it was me and not the sytem.
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Another thing to check is that you do not have force feed back enabled. It used to be enabled by default in AHI, not sure about AHII (but I suspect that that was remedied already), but it is worth checking. It can give you some pretty wild inputs if it is enabled.
Does sound like a stick scaling issue to me though. If that is the case I am sure Wildthing will have you fixed up in no time at all.
Hope this helps a bit at least.
Cheers,
RTR
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Great advice! Thanks guys, I will look into that. It definetely feels like a stick scaling thing to me as well. I mean I'm really not pushing it hard at all, but when I try any type of turn with a little rudder I just flat spin.
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Howitzer im getting CTD'd when I load up this new update, im trying to get HT to try to help me with this.. If I dont get in tonight I probably will tomorrow if your intrested.
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Wldthng, look for me in the MA then if you make it on, if not its really no hurry. I can continue flying like I have been without problem. Thanks again for the help, just give me a yell in the MA when you make it in. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Great advice! Thanks guys, I will look into that. It definetely feels like a stick scaling thing to me as well. I mean I'm really not pushing it hard at all, but when I try any type of turn with a little rudder I just flat spin.
I have a ms FFB2 twisty, and i have deadband and dampers set fairly high for rudder input - it prevents inadvertant input, i.e. to use rudder becomes a deliberate decision to twist it enough.
however just abt any plane will want to snap on you if you're using all 3 axis in the manuever. it's all about feel and a light touch. of course a too sensitive rudder will play havoc with this ability.
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Originally posted by Shane
I have a ms FFB2 twisty, and i have deadband and dampers set fairly high for rudder input - it prevents inadvertant input, i.e. to use rudder becomes a deliberate decision to twist it enough.
however just abt any plane will want to snap on you if you're using all 3 axis in the manuever. it's all about feel and a light touch. of course a too sensitive rudder will play havoc with this ability.
Actually shane, I have the exact same stick. I tried the light touch, but I just can't maneuver at all that way and I would be dead meat in any fight I entered. Maybe I am using too many axis on the turns... but geesh even in just a straight turn?
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well if you have the exact same stick... wanna try my settings?
i only use 2 of the FFB effects, both set around 40%, stall and buffet.
for roll and pitch i have all sliders at 100% (with deadband/dampers set very low - just enough to avoid too easy stick stirring msg)
for rudder... all sliders 100% with damper/deadband both set about 2/3 way up.
i don't think i'm known for being a snap-rolly fish-floppy flyer...
also... it *will* take some time to develop that touch if you just disabled the stall limiter not too long ago. you'll very likely go thru a phase of spins 'o death, but once you get past that you'll find yourself rarely spinning by accident.
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Originally posted by Shane
well if you have the exact same stick... wanna try my settings?
i only use 2 of the FFB effects, both set around 40%, stall and buffet.
for roll and pitch i have all sliders at 100% (with deadband/dampers set very low - just enough to avoid too easy stick stirring msg)
for rudder... all sliders 100% with damper/deadband both set about 2/3 way up.
i don't think i'm known for being a snap-rolly fish-floppy flyer...
also... it *will* take some time to develop that touch if you just disabled the stall limiter not too long ago. you'll very likely go thru a phase of spins 'o death, but once you get past that you'll find yourself rarely spinning by accident.
I just re-read, and mine is not a FFB, but it is the microsoft of the same type. I would like to try your settings if possible. I'll just omit the FFB ones. If you have time, would you mind throwing me an email at: ]? Let me know what you think. Thanks for the help shane.
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so you have the precision pro? not PP2?
PP1 looks exactly like the FFB2 stick...
i pretty much described what my settings are.. 100% sliders on everything (some do a curved scaling ala AKAK's settings) with deadband and damper sliders set very low for pitch and roll, and 2/3 way up for rudder.
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what was really wierd in Howi's flight path
is as he banked and went thru a horizontal turn is that all of a sudden his plane would roll back and forth hard then he would fall ..
I was right on his 6 following along and the airspeed was good (180ish) and he wasnt pulling so hard as to black out or disrupt his flight path
I could of easily turned within his radius and lapped him on the inside .
It sort of looked like a spiking stick or a dirty potentiomiter ..
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the ffb2 is optical... too bad MS got out of the j/s biz... they had finally gotten it right with greatly improved quality control.
not sure if the PP was optical...
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Yeah mine is the sidewinder precision 2. Looks just like the FFB one, just not FFB. The FFB was like 100 bucks and this one was 50. I love the microsoft sticks, this is my second one, but I think planes acted this way with the first one as well.
I'm gonna kick my sliders up, what do your dampening/deadband look like? Mine are mostly down.
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I have the same stick howitzer. I'll send my settings to you if you want them.
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Same stick also. Recently change my settings from the normal "scale" to how Shane has his. Takes a bit to get use to, but really helps overall.
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Originally posted by Wadke
I have the same stick howitzer. I'll send my settings to you if you want them.
That would be great wadke. mgrabruc@gmail.com
Thank you for that offer. I'm going to keep trying stuff till I get it to work =)
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I've got an MS FF2, and it really is one of the best sticks out there. Damn shame about MS pulling the plug on Sidewinder.
Think I'll try your settings tonight, Shane. I increased the rudder dead band on my first day, but aside from that everything is at default (which I believe is a scale). With your settings, I need to increase all the sliders to max, keep pitch and roll dead bands low, and increase rudder some more, is that all?
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yep... pitch/roll 100% scaled across the board with deadband/dampers set as low as possible (you'll find it more crisp, and not slushing thru rolls - it'll still present a bit of nose bobble - but that may be due to combat trim for all i know). the dead/damp are set very very low... a couple hairs up... experiement to find your comfort level.
rudder... 100% scaled across with dead/damp sliders about 2/3 way up. twisty sticks, while more convenient than a keyboard or other j/s assigned function are still no match for rudder pedals.
throttle.. set it for however you feel comfortable with the incr/decr in throttle. Mine's set a bit up for dead/damp to provide more precise control (i.e., less senstivity).
FFB effects - I only utilize stall and buffet, both set around 40%
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Thanks man, will give it a shot. The stick's a bit old and touchy, but since they're not making any more I want to use it as long as possible without breaking out my backup FF2. :)