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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jpeg on April 12, 2005, 10:06:59 AM
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I have a concern with the use of the voice and text abuse command
How will htc know if someone really abused the text radio or voice radio?
I think these commands themsevles could be abused.
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understandable, but I figure HTC has been at this long enough to have some sort of system in place to check validity or the reports, I'm not too concerned about it.
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My guess is that there is a buffer for capturing anything typed or spoken on a vox channel (depending on which report feature is used) and that when the command is received by the server it will dump that buffer and attatch anything in it to the filing of the "report". I would also imagine that abusing the report feature would result in some pretty bad things happening to the person who did it. I'm sure HT isnt going to discipline folks without proof. Skuzzy might though. He likes being mean. :)
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If that were true then that would mean that everything that is typed by everyone and said by everyone is being recorded since by the time someone reports the abuse the occurence of the abuse has already happened.
Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
My guess is that there is a buffer for capturing anything typed or spoken on a vox channel (depending on which report feature is used) and that when the command is received by the server it will dump that buffer and attatch anything in it to the filing of the "report". I would also imagine that abusing the report feature would result in some pretty bad things happening to the person who did it. I'm sure HT isnt going to discipline folks without proof. Skuzzy might though. He likes being mean. :)
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yeah, the report feature is like a flag in the log so whoever does the review knows to look back a bit in time... i'm sure there's also some sort of search feature to allow easier analysis.
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Actually, I bet it works much differently.
I bet that anyone who gets reported will get recorded in the future for a few logins. Anyone who violates a rule while being recorded will be punished accordingly.
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Originally posted by jpeg
If that were true then that would mean that everything that is typed by everyone and said by everyone is being recorded since by the time someone reports the abuse the occurence of the abuse has already happened.
Umm........yeah? So? Not like thats a new thing.
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Jpeg
To the best of my knowledge, HT & co have never punished a player for a "single" infraction.
This new logging however will quickly show HT where the real problems are.
And the new controls gives him options.
Before the only real options he had available were to warn someone. And if he got enough complaints perhaps to remove his acct.
Neither of which were all that effective, not to mention costing him $.
Now he can quickly identify problems, warn them, and if ignored he can remove comms.
This has the potential to be the best thing that came along for the AH community since voice itself.
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My guess is that there is a buffer for capturing anything typed or spoken on a vox channel
I am 90% sure they do and could go back and review anything they wanted to.
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The server load for AH seems to be pushing the limits of the hardware as it is already. I can't imagine HT would start logging all vox. That much audio would fill up his disk space so fast the servers would be down every half hour. Text logs wouldn't be so unreasonable, but text is filtered anyway so I don't see how that would make much difference. The much more likely situation is that HT watches for multiple reports against someone from different people. You probably wont get muted for cursing every now and then, even if you manage to get reported, but you will get muted if you run your mouth on a regular basis.
-p.
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Its not the actual cursing that is so much the problem on text, you can say alot of offensive things without ever once using a recognizable curse word. Vox is. I would still bet that the system logs say up to a minute of previous transmissions before overwriting. Thats plenty of time to file a complaint if you are going to.
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you can always log the last 5 minutes and only keep if the flags are set.
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I do not know where you get that idea pellik. The server(s) have plenty of overhead available, even at peak times.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I do not know where you get that idea pellik. The server(s) have plenty of overhead available, even at peak times.
Those times when netstat is flat and text takes 3 min to get through while everyone is shooting rubber bullets led me to believe the server is getting a little unresponsive. And I still don't see how you could log audio for the number of users AH gets and not fill up a rediculous amount of harddisk space very quickly. There's also the difference in performance between the MA and the backup MA, which suggests hosting the MA is a little intensive.
Maybe I'm wrong though, it's all speculation. Still, rotating out audio logs and monitering how full your partitions gets seems like a lot of extra work for only a little gain.
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ummm, thats would be netload, not server load
if everyone would stop spamming, dl'n dvd's, music, dump kaazaa and all related mega mb downloads etc., maybe the rubber bullets would stop.
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Netstat is not representative of server load. It is representative of your Internet connection.
You are hearing it from the horse's mouth pellik. The servers have more than twice the overhead needed to run the arenas.
What you are describing is network and local computer load as being an issue.
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skuzzy ur avatar scares me....can you change it?
I think it winked at me
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Netstat is not representative of server load. It is representative of your Internet connection.
You are hearing it from the horse's mouth pellik. The servers have more than twice the overhead needed to run the arenas.
What you are describing is network and local computer load as being an issue.
My reply here is moot since skuzzy came out and stated server load isn't an issue, but I'm gonna elaborate anyway since I was apparently slightly (and arbitrarily) misunderstood.
Right, netstat is representative of latency. Thus when netstat is "flat" latency is constant and the problem isn't with the network on either side.
The server lag problems I've seen when netstat is stable are infrequent, sugguesting something along the lines of a memory leak or broken loop in the server code, or elsewhere on the server. They are usually proceeded by a MA reset. Or possibly some hax0rs afoot.
My concern with the report system is disk usage. I believe you when you sugguest that system resources are relatively free on your servers. I'm curious about how much storage keeping every single vox comment would take.
-p.
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Nah, it is probably caused by too mach overhead :lol
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I've noticed a dramatic improvement so far in the content of both voice comms and text comms. It appears that the potential for being reported is a deterent in itself.
I doubt HTC will have many problems with people abusing the report system. Sure there will be a few who do, but they will lose the priviledge to report others.
For those who will persist in using foul language on vox, or masking swear words on text, they will lose those priviledges. Some who lose priviledges will quit, others will make amends and get those priviledges restored. Overall this might be the most ingenious way to control the content of our comms.
This system eliminates the need for anonymous moderators, at least for now. Every player is now a potential moderator.