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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlueJ1 on April 12, 2005, 07:28:38 PM
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Im not a big fan of sci fi, but I found the Dune series a pretty good series, got semi dry towards the end. Im liking the series so far. Pretty accurate.
<---Woot!
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books was better:D
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All in all, I prefered Lynch's version to the mini-series.
While the story in the mini-series was more faithful to the books, I got distracted by the sets and costuming. Typical old school sci-fi. Everything is plastic. In the movie, even the ships seemed old and worn from use. Also... the Harkonens weren't nearly as sinister on television.
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I liked both, but the series are closer to the books... then there's this:
(http://www.scifi.com/dune/gallery/images/alia_lrg_06.jpg)
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Nothing lives up to the books... or even gets close.
IMHO don't waste your time with the tv series. Grab the audiobook versions of the Dune Prequels... 6 books worth, very enjoyable if you're a Dune fan and Frank Herberts son has done an awesome job of filling in his dads boots.
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Ya the books are wonderful... I must have read them 3 or 4 times so far.
But I DO like the sci-fi mini series version a lot.
The first attempt sucked terribly imo
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"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts aquire speed, the lips aquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."
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Originally posted by Yeager
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts aquire speed, the lips aquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."
Uhhh don't tell me who said it..... Airhead!!! Am I right????
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Originally posted by mosgood
Uhhh don't tell me who said it..... Airhead!!! Am I right????
Piter de Vries
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Originally posted by Sandman
All in all, I prefered Lynch's version to the mini-series.
While the story in the mini-series was more faithful to the books, I got distracted by the sets and costuming. Typical old school sci-fi. Everything is plastic. In the movie, even the ships seemed old and worn from use. Also... the Harkonens weren't nearly as sinister on television.
The lynch movie is fantastic, late this year theres going to be a Dune spec ed DVD with the theatrical version, and a brand new Lynch edited extended cut of the film
Originally posted by Vulcan
Nothing lives up to the books... or even gets close.
IMHO don't waste your time with the tv series. Grab the audiobook versions of the Dune Prequels... 6 books worth, very enjoyable if you're a Dune fan and Frank Herberts son has done an awesome job of filling in his dads boots.
The Legends of Dune, and Prelude to Dune House prequel trilogies by Brian Herbert are great!
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
The Legends of Dune, and Prelude to Dune House prequel trilogies by Brian Herbert are great!
Tronsky
Awesome never even thought to read the sons stuff. Looking forward to it now!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Piter de Vries
All mentats you uneducated n00b!
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Originally posted by Vulcan
All mentats you uneducated n00b!
I'd past in a 'pwned' picture... but I don't have one that properly reflects the 'two way ownage' that just occurred, not only by you correcting him, but by simultaneously confessing (in public) such an intimate knowledge of Dune.
Tough call....
PS, my name is a killing word. Damn parents....
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I liked both, but the series are closer to the books... then there's this:
(http://www.scifi.com/dune/gallery/images/alia_lrg_06.jpg)
been a long time since i have read a dune book but scifi did a good job on the dvd. and yes, i need to give her some low maintenance training.
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from all 5 books Dune is best for make movie ( lot of action , fighting), but best for reading are later parts.
My favorite is "God Imperor of Dune" and last part. But hard tro imagine how to "translate " them for movie language.
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Originally posted by ramzey
My favorite is "God Imperor of Dune" and last part. But hard tro imagine how to "translate " them for movie language.
No doubt.
DUNCAN: Then you shall eat my blade!
(SFX Notes: Ok, we need a big worm with the face of a guy, and we need him to karate chop this Duncan guy. Keep in mind, we want this to look realistic.)
DUNCAN: Aargh! I am killed!
Sound effect: Squish!
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Herbert's son is a pathetic writer even by modern standards.
Of course, no sci fi writer can ever hope to compare to Frank Herbert.
The Dune prequels distorted the butlerian jihad and the background storylines of the Houses was damaging to the original timeline at best.
-The original Dune novels tell of the age of Machines, where HUMANS who OWNED machines enslaved humans without machines for thousands of years until the jihad erupted. The feared machine intelligence was not the Omnius or Erasmus type of AI but rather AI's who kept almost all humanity AS slaves under the orders of the very few powerful humans who commanded the machines.
-Serena Butler was really Jehanne Butler in Frank's original timeline..and she was a Bene Gesserit (and the B.G. existed since the formation of the first human emperium, predating Corrino and Spacing Guild by thousands of years)
-Savant Holtzman was in the original timeline a brilliant scientist who before the jihad had a 'thopter accident and his brain was put into a machine body (you can think of him as a cymek).. holtzman later turned his body into a ship and launched himself into a thousand year old orbit around the sun, during each pass next to his solar system he transmitted the 3 holtzman equations that changed humanity dramatically each time : Holtzman Theory which gave humanity foldspace ability (notoriously unreliable since there were no prescient beings to guide them, but it did allow for cargo flown by AI to spark up trade), 2nd pass he gave shields/suspensor theory, 3rd pass he gave holtzman radio which allowed instant communication inside a sector of space (not across stars but pluto-earth no time delay). Incidentally it was this 3rd pass that allowed the Jihad to flare to all human worlds quickly... On the 4th pass he was intercepted by post-jihad fanatics and killed.
-Jessica was purchased by a concubine 'seller' for Duke Leto, not given to the Atreides in exchange for some invisible ship information crapola as herbert's son put it.
-Mentats did not appear because a machine taught a human. In original timeline Gilbertus Albans was a savant on his own right and trained his mind and taught others to do the same.
-Suks existed pre-Jihad times.
-House Atreides is not as noble in its past.. the house in several occassions took over the empirium in bloody coups. The harkonnens were always bad apples.
-The Battle of Corrin was not humans vs. machines, it was Sardaukar vs. Federated Worlds in a space battle.. space battle because the federated worlds knew they sardaukar would wipe them out easy in ground combat so they chose space, where the sardaukar had no advantage over them. The Battle of Corrin is where the Sardaukar defeated everyone in one stroke and became the ruling house; starting the age of Corrino emperors. Yes, that means Corrinos are not Butler's descendants.
-The atreides that saved the day in the battle of corrin was fighting on the side of the Sardaukar as a minor bridge officer. Ablulurd Harkonnen' act of cowardice was in withdrawing a big contingent of his ships (harkonnen were also in the side of the sardaukar) which exposed the sardaukar fleet dangerously. When harkonnen withdrew, the ship in which atreides was in got hit and the bridge crew officers got killed, he took over and closed the gap, saving the sardaukar from defeat and saving the future emperor's life at the same time.
-Sorceress of Rossak is pure crap. Never existed in original timeline. Norma Cevna was a savant just like holtzman, though she lived centuries after Holtzman's death.. she was the one who made Holtzman's foldspace viable by discovering the prescient properties of spice. Spacing Guild born shortly after that.
-Fremen were originally from Earth, a nomadic zensunni tribe numbering a million. In the early years of the Spacing Guild, the Guild needed a population base for Arrakis so they could mine the spice in secret... Earth provided such population by giving the Guild the zensunni as 'voluntary exiles' . The Guild shipped them around various planets for a century or so then dumped them on Arrakis.
-Earth was nuked during a house-to-house conflict which also destroyed other planets (Ecaz as well), prompting the Great Convention to be created.
-Gurney Halleck's sister died the night the harkonnens took her and Gurney as slaves, she fell on a guard's knife rather than become a potato.
-Gurney Halleck was RESCUED by Leto Atreides during a 'black flag' raid on harkonnen slaving facilities.
-Vorian atreides did not exist. The atreides that matched the original timeline for vorian is the ensign in the atreides ship during the battle of corrin.
I could go on and on ;) (big dune geek I am).
All things considered, only the Bene Tleilax were accurately portrayed 'in character' by Herbert's son. Everything else was butchered to heck.
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Where did that come from OIO? I don't remember that stuff in the books.
If its from Frank Herberts notes then they were only "ideas" and were fair game for his son to tinker with.
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Does OIO dress up for conventions?
:D
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Originally posted by OIO
Herbert's son is a pathetic writer even by modern standards....
.... portrayed 'in character' by Herbert's son. Everything else was butchered to heck.
Great books though... :aok
Tronsky
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" Where did that come from OIO? I don't remember that stuff in the books."
It comes from DUNE ENCYCLOPEDIA which used lots of Frank Herbert's notes AND was edited by Frank Herbert.
It covers practically every detail, background history, etc. up to the period in between God Emperor of Dune and ChapterHouse Dune. (before the honored matres invade).
If you want a detail that's in the original DUNE and fugged up by his son in the HOUSE ATREIDES prequel: Jessica was presented to Leto as concubine by a concubine 'merchant' and leto used to have many concubines before her but he tired of them and sold their contracts back to them for a penny.. but after he met jessica he dismissed the seller and had him take over all trade for Caladan. In the prequel novel its the B.G. that force Jessica into the atreides household in exhange for info on the harkonnen no-ship.
"If its from Frank Herberts notes then they were only "ideas" and were fair game for his son to tinker with"
Not just ideas. Frank Herbert also made audio versions of Dune in which he includes details not found in the written novels. The famous opening that stated the enslavement of humanity by the machines as being men who had machines enslaving the rest of humanity in the DUNE movie that Patrick Stewart played Gurney Halleck in comes from the audio books.
And blingbling fact: that's Frank Herbert's voice doing the narrating.
Ideas of his that were put in writing in the Dune Encyclopedia. His son just took the dune 'franchise' and bleeded and dumbed it down to pop-scifi levels so he could write novels quickly and sell them for loads of cash. Really it was nothing more than plugging Terminator into Dune when he wrote the Jihad books.
And NO, I do not dress up for conventions. Mainly because there HAVE been no DUNE conventions where I live :P
:aok
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OIO, Frank Herberts "notes" had many different storylines which also contradict his own books, many portions which were changed and cut out.
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but at least his son makes the characters likable...major problem with the original books is i really wanted almost all the main characters to hurry up and die.
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"the slow blade penetrates the shield."
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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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"It is by caffine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the bean of Java that the mind aquires speed, the teeth aquire stains, the hands aquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffine alone I set my mind in motion."
Mantra of the Modern Engineer
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Originally posted by Sabre
"It is by caffine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the bean of Java that the mind aquires speed, the teeth aquire stains, the hands aquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffine along I set my mind in motion."
Mantra of the Modern Engineer
ROFLMAO!!!!
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Originally posted by Sandman
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
I use that when I have a really tuff crap to get out.
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I just don't understand why you don't write greeting cards for Hallmark, Vulcan.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I use that when I have a really tuff crap to get out.
LMAO.
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you never had one of those t-urds where the peanuts are somehere reassembled in your colon and are sticking out the sides of that smelly log?