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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: red420 on April 12, 2005, 08:31:55 PM
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Leave it to HT to throw more crap into the game.. I just got my frame rate to a decent level and HT kills it with this crappy patch. You can have the crappy trees, and clouds and all the other bs.. I don't care about scenery. I would trade it all for a more diverse selection of planes and vehicles. Down with the eye candy, show me the fun
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Have you got what it takes to have fun?
Fun doesn't come free you know.
Besides, runs stable on my not-so-state-of-the-art system.
(P4 1.7ghz 512DDR, outdated GeForce4 Ti4600, old Omega drivers)
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Are your drivers, etc up to date? I've got a 2.0 P4, and with this patch I'm seeing faster FR's AND getting better graphics than I had before.
I even have the detail size slider set higher.
No, I cant explain it -- unless the code is cleaner! I do know others have had slower rates, but all I can say is that its working better for me.
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I have noticed a little higher fr, adn I do not have a bigolegamer box.
Fun stuff HiTech!
:D
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Hmmm.
My frame rates seem to have gone up.
But, if yours went down and you don't care about eye candy, the sliders in the video settings really do turn down the graphics and increase your frame rate. Try them. Set the object detail and object size to minimum.
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My fps went up and I can actually see the bad guys in a nose down attitude or when tracking them along the ground .Getting better all the time Hitech !
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Originally posted by red420
Leave it to HT to throw more crap into the game.. I just got my frame rate to a decent level and HT kills it with this crappy patch. You can have the crappy trees, and clouds and all the other bs.. I don't care about scenery. I would trade it all for a more diverse selection of planes and vehicles. Down with the eye candy, show me the fun
Door ------>
Hope you feel better :aok
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I probably will cancel subscription in the near future.. If you guys like the new crap, enjoy.
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My FR most certainly did not go up.
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Originally posted by red420
I probably will cancel subscription in the near future.. If you guys like the new crap, enjoy.
Please Nooooo Red! I will have noone's incessant whiny banter to mock and ridicule!!!
Oh, wait... nevermind, Chi will still be here... Go ahead and leave.
Zazen
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Surprisingly, mine went up a lot with the new patch and Omega Drivers.
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Originally posted by red420
I probably will cancel subscription in the near future.. If you guys like the new crap, enjoy.
Yes, lets keep the game in the dark ages with graphics of Doom1 and playability set by the standards of YOUR computer, good call:aok
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Originally posted by red420
Leave it to HT to throw more crap into the game.. I just got my frame rate to a decent level and HT kills it with this crappy patch. You can have the crappy trees, and clouds and all the other bs.. I don't care about scenery. I would trade it all for a more diverse selection of planes and vehicles. Down with the eye candy, show me the fun
Red, try lowering the graphic settings in AH and in your video setup in Windows, set the stuff like MipMapping and Textures to Performance or High Performance and make sure you have FSAA/AA (anti-aliasing) set to either off or application preference (AH does not have AA support built in, so it will take additional video resources to do it, causing a FPS hit).
If you have onboard sound card you're using, lower the sound acceleration by a notch as well. Onboard sound cards use much more resources than a normal sound card.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by MOIL
Yes, lets keep the game in the dark ages with graphics of Doom1 and playability set by the standards of YOUR computer, good call:aok
The minimum system requirements are a P3 850, and 32m vid card. With the difficulties I have had running this game with an AMD 2000XP (1.66ghz) and 128m FX5700 vid card, I think they still have a ways to go to keep the game playable for the lower end systems. (Like their min req's).
Not everyone can afford to do upgrades right away, some of us have to save for awhile to do them :)
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You know, I posted a very long reply to this thread, then deleted it.
I mean, really. If designing a product that is expected to grow and thrive based on a frame work of obsolete code and equipment is found to be a reasonable thing, what chance do I have trying to rationally explain the failure in that concept?
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I love a good reason for a new computer.
I havent noticed any drop in frame rates..but there is a bit of hesitation arround trees.
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it all comes back to gameplay.
"Lower your sliders to help your fps" you say....
sure...that works, but then you can't see ack's at bases until your on top of 'em, and GOOD LUCK spotting ground vehicles.
Nobody is saying that the eye candy stuff isn't "neat", it's just not more important than a stable game playing enviroment. I could give two flips about pretty leaves on trees, if I can't see that enemy ostwind until I am 500 feet away from it, AND most likely dead at that point.
Really, REALLY don't need pretty fluffy clouds, I DO need to be able to dive in on an enemy plane and not be watching a slide show due to horrible FPS.
Awww...aren't those dust clouds cute comin' from the back of then tanks.... errr...wait...I can't see the tanks, my friggin' sliders all the way to the right.
Come on HT... this has got to stop. Way to take a perfectly decent flight sim, and choke it full of garbage that has NOTHING really to do with the MAIN point of the game which is to fly and fight. That is the point of Aces High right? How about some help on making the FIGHTING part better.
Dale, here's a suggestion. Grab yourself a min. speck tower. That would be a 850mhz and 32mb vid card. IF you can get it to run smoothly on that tower, then code it. IF you can't, then don't. The operative word there is SMOOTHLY. Why the FUG would you code something that won't even run? Either that, or maybe up the min. specs. to at least a 2.0 ghz machine, with 128mb card, and at least a gig of ram, so new players will at least know what to expect.
Can we try a bit harder on getin' the game to run STABLE as opposed to PRETTY. I know modeling that nice water effect is far more enjoyable than tweaking code to get it all to run smoother, but come on...what's your bread and butter here? If you care so little about you HUGE player base that doesn't have a machine like Skuzzy's, then fine, bite the hand that feeds you.
Geeezzzz...come on guys, it's not very hard to figure out that if the gameplay sux, then your subscriber base is gonna look elsewhere.
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lute's solution: ignore ack and GVs, concentrate on killing planes.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Not everyone can afford to do upgrades right away, some of us have to save for awhile to do them :)
I've been saving for 4 years.. Well not really :D
My machine seems to have run fine before this last patch, FPS 30's, Furball down to single digits, but still fightable!
And my specs are!
1.1 Ghz Pavilion
128 MB
GF2
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Originally posted by WldThing
I've been saving for 4 years.. Well not really :D
My machine seems to have run fine before this last patch, FPS 30's, Furball down to single digits, but still fightable!
And my specs are!
1.1 Ghz Pavilion
128 MB
GF2
I consider fps in the low 30's to be the minimum playable, fps in the single digits is a slide show and unplayable for me heh.
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"We" need all of them.
You guys define "we" as something that does not change, born before 1970, remembers the days of text-based games on "calculators" rather than "computers" when compared to today's standards, and think that version of "we" is the only one who can dictate the needs of this game.
Well, the "we" changes constantly in reality. In a few years, "we" are gonna start refusing to play in the low-polygoned, solid blue skies, solid green terrain, bare and devoid of detail, with simple sprites for graphics.
It's sensitive material to talk about, I know.
But really, everybody needs to keep up with the change and invest a certain amount of money to their computers so it doesn't lag around, because, these games are definately not gonna wait for you to evolve from the stone age to the metal age.
If somebody can't keep up with it, then they are left behind. It's a lost customer, for sure. But then again, the guys left behind are not the ONLY customers around.
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Lute, I have tons of respect for you man, but honestly, come on. Its a business. For each one of the handful of guys here (like yourself) mad and hollering because they have an older system that cant handle the upgrades to the software, theres 10 wanting just the opposite.
Ok, thats said. Now, stop and think for one second. Did they have to go back and try to make AHII compatible with older systems? Did they have to work with you to make this thing work on compters that are 2 generations old? Computer generations that is. No, but they did. If it comes to a point where the old hardware absolutely will not work anymore, I'm sure they'll say so before that patch comes out. Goin off like that serves no purpose, and IMO is just plain ungrateful for all the headaches they have gone through to try to make this work for guys with older systems. If saying that offends you or makes you mad, I'm sorry. But you are smarter than that. You are a nice guy, and a good stick. The last thing I want to do is argue with you. But if you feel you must tell me what a rotten so and so I am, or vent even, go ahead. Meanwhile I'll cross my fingers that a way will be found for you to keep going.
Thanks
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My office system is an 850Mhz Pentium III with an ATI8500 video card. Previous patch I was hanging in the 30's to low 20's in frame rate.
With 2.03, I start in the tower at 50+ FPS and drop to around high 20's FPS. Very playable.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My office system is an 850Mhz Pentium III with an ATI8500 video card. Previous patch I was hanging in the 30's to low 20's in frame rate.
With 2.03, I start in the tower at 50+ FPS and drop to around high 20's FPS. Very playable.
Skuzzy, would you be so kind to tell me where are your performance sliders for this setup? Are they all on the right? What check boxes are checked?
I have 3.2 Ghz Intel, 1Gb memory and ATI9600, which gives me more than 80 FPS at alt, but on the top of the trees I have less than 20 FPS after the latest patch. It is playable, but...
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I noticed something strange :
in a 1908A idle on runway I'm at 65fps
As soon as I open fire framerate drop to 13 fps
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Originally posted by WMLute
it all comes back to gameplay.
Geeezzzz...come on guys, it's not very hard to figure out that if the gameplay sux, then your subscriber base is gonna look elsewhere.
:rolleyes: Well... not the whole subscriber base. I'm waiting on a new machine so I CAN subscribe. It'll be here Monday. MY current POS runs AHII marginally (AMD 1 GHZ, 32MB Video, 512MB Ram)
and runs Warbirds perfectly. Unfortunately Warbirds sucks rocks and I don't want to play it. I want to play AHII.... which is the best thing going. So I bit the bullet, scrimped and saved, cut out some of the extras, and ate Purina for dinner with my mutts. NOW I'll be able to play. Up and on man. Things have to progress. I was disappointed when I found out my current system wasn't good enough to play and I understand what it must feel like to worry that you won't be able to play. But gaming has always required bleeding edge equipment and that's not going to change. Sorry... but the "everyone will leave" argument isn't true.
Woof
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"you can make some of the ppl happy, some of the time but you can't make all of the ppl happy, all of the time"
haven't spent much time with new patch but what I have, my fps seems to be better, graphics are better and the 109f and 190a are great!
HT - thanks for your hard work/long hours on this latest release
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Originally posted by red420
Leave it to HT to throw more crap into the game.. I just got my frame rate to a decent level and HT kills it with this crappy patch. You can have the crappy trees, and clouds and all the other bs.. I don't care about scenery. I would trade it all for a more diverse selection of planes and vehicles. Down with the eye candy, show me the fun
I play this game with a:
Pentium 3 - 800Mhz
384MB - RAM
GeForce 3 Ti200 - 128MB (Have tried to overclock this, but upon restart, the "overclocking" goes back to default)
The Secret to me running AH2 with FR's of 20+ in decent size furballs, is the following: OLD NVIDIA driver 44.45(?).
I even tweaked the Services down. I'm still at 34 Processes running (Am afraid to turn it down anymore, unless someone has a "cheatsheet" for me to use).
Now ONE THING that is true, in all of the 3 years that I have been playing AH, I have never ONCE in the MA, whined about a Warp, etc.
HTC puts the product out, it is up to the consumer to keep up with the Sign of the times in the game. To blame HTC is sheer lunacy.
<> HTC
Karaya
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My fps Have stayed the same,between 60 & single digits in certain situations,on my crappy system. I think HTC have done a great job with Aces high keeping graphics good and not damaging gameplay
I'm happy:aok
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Originally posted by Elfie
I consider fps in the low 30's to be the minimum playable, fps in the single digits is a slide show and unplayable for me heh.
Your eyes can only see around 30fps anyway, the rest is just a bonus =)
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Sheesh Karayabro....you need to take some of that money you spend on anger management (which is doing you no good anyway) and buy a new rig.
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Originally posted by Goth
Sheesh Karayabro....you need to take some of that money you spend on anger management (which is doing you no good anyway) and buy a new rig.
Shouldn't you be working GothmrImtoosexyforthis109g6? :p
Karaya
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WMLute and red420.
You are not the subscriber base. You do not speak for the subscriber base. You are one single person each. You speak only for your self.
It pisses me immencly each time I read posts by people using WE instead of I.
Ofcourse stable gameplay is important.
But what is stable gameplay? Bug free or beeing able to run on your 10 year old rig?
If you are talking about bugs yes then it affects everyone and it is a problem. But since miss using the word stable and refering to "playable on your old rig which you most likely havent even tuned in the last 10 years" then you can only speak for your self.
Instead of going on a mad whining spree and miss using words you should instead ask the following questions.
"With 2.03 what are the minimum sys requirements?"
"In what region can one expect the FPS to be on a minimum sys rig?"
"What do I need to do inorder to obtain the said FPS on a minimum sys rig?"
Tex.
Ps. FYI I have a lower mid end sys (P4 2.0GHz, 9600XT) and my FPS has improved with this patch. Ds.
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OK,
Some FR's increase. Others decrease. Mine dropped quite a bit so i'm readjusting the sliders - doesn't bug me, but thats the price of progress in this hobby.
Wolf
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Your eyes can only see around 30fps anyway, the rest is just a bonus =)
Then why can I walk into a room full of computers and almost instantly tell you which ones are running a 60hz refresh rate? I do have a hard time telling 75 from 85 though.
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
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It pisses me immencly each time I read posts by people using WE instead of I.
Instead of going on a mad whining spree and miss using words you should instead ask the following questions.
Tex, it's kands like chess and checkers; there are those who think it out, come up with a plan and then execute the plan... all the time planning the next move. Then there's the other's, the only objective is to race across the board so they can scream out "KING ME!!". LOL
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Look at the announcements! HT did streamline the graphics engine in addition to adding eyecandy and rockets to the 190F-8 (which is a good reason for me to take this plane on a test flight) in addition to lots of other upgrades and bug fixes.
It looks to me like nothing is being ignored and every type of interest possible in the game is being addressed.
If you need to adjust your sliders and hit [Shift][F4] if you have trouble seeing things on the ground.
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my fps have increased by 25 all the time hitting 85fps now since new graphic eng in 2.03 thaaaaaaanks hitech:aok
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Game is running better for me now than it ever has all the way back to AHI. Thanks HT for your efforts. I know I'll be in the air more now than ever!
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hmm.. framerate increase, and new p38's... this is tempting.. very... :D
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I have two puters running this game. Both saw a dramatic INCREASE in FPS with 2.03. AMD 1.4 and AMD 1.5 gig with pc133 memory. 1.5 maxing at 90's and 1.4 maxing at 70's. May want to fiddle with your drivers a bit
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My framerates are pretty much the same from patch to patch. Some days it seems to not perform as well as other days, I dunno why either. I just hate it when my frame rate falls below 90 , I like seeing 117+-. Once in a while my frame rate falls down to 70 or 80 in med view then down to 59 in ground view. But other then that, its cool!! :p
edit: 2.6 p4 800fsb, intel mb 800fsb, 512 mb pc4000 ddr duel channel, gf2 128mb vid crd, sb audigy 2 zs ...
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If you think that the majority of the player base have screamin' high end systems, you are sorely mistaken.
Think it through a bit. What is the avg. age of the players in AH??? Would you say that most of the players are older? What percentage? Do people in the older generation(s), let's say 30+, update their computers every other year?, or tend to buy one and hold onto it for many years. It would be a safe assumption that many of the players, a LARGE group of the subscriber base, are older people, with older systems. That said, why would one produce a product that would not work smoothly on a large chuck of their subscriber base?
Look at WldThing. He's an old timer, that has flown these sim's for many a year (as have I), and he has a much older system. It stands to reason, that MANY of the players have med, to low end systems, and are suffering from the "eye candy" that is being added. We shouldn't be stuttering through furballs at 10fps or less. An exercise in frustration.
Skuzzy, your office system, (and this was already asked) where do you have the detail sliders? How far out can you see nme ground vehicles? How far out can you see ack? Create an I.D. and fly for a coupe hours keeping that in mind. Do it in the MA, not offline, or any other arena. Go attack a field, and try to de-ack it with your "office" system. (for a lark, use .50 cal.'s and tell me how many passes it takes) Are you able to see ack? How many times you die before you could de-ack the field? Take your "office" system, and go ground vehicle hunting. Are you able to spot them? How far out? Does not being able to spot nme gv's untill you are right on top of them make bombing them difficult? How about shooting them? Would you consider being right on top of GV's, and ACK's playable? Take said computer, and try some take offs and landing on a CV when it's on fire, and especially with many contacts near. GOOD LUCK landing if buffs are nearby. When nme buffs are near, and CV's on fire, and buffs inbound dropping eggs, what are your FPS? Is that playable? Would you consider that stable?
Work with me here Skuzzy... What I am saying makes 100% sense. When HTC is planning an upgrade, keep these factors in mind. I'm not asking for much. I DO appreciate the fact that many of the new "eye candy" is optional, and that DOES help out alot .
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Originally posted by Ohio43
I have two puters running this game. Both saw a dramatic INCREASE in FPS with 2.03. AMD 1.4 and AMD 1.5 gig with pc133 memory. 1.5 maxing at 90's and 1.4 maxing at 70's. May want to fiddle with your drivers a bit
and you sir may want to turn VSYNC on.
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and hit [Shift][F4] if you have trouble seeing things on the ground.
Hitting Shift + F4 = a slideshow for me, I only do it when it is absolutely necessary.
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"With 2.03 what are the minimum sys requirements?"
The system requirements havent changed. P3 850, 32m vid card, sound card, all dx9 compatible.
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I even tweaked the Services down. I'm still at 34 Processes running (Am afraid to turn it down anymore, unless someone has a "cheatsheet" for me to use).
If you are using Windows XP just shut down everything it will let you shut down. That's what I do, I get down to 13 processes before starting AH.
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With 2.03, I start in the tower at 50+ FPS and drop to around high 20's FPS. Very playable
I really dont consider frame rates in the high 20's to be playable. Low 30's is what it takes for me to see a smooth picture all the time.
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"If you think that the majority of the player base have screamin' high end systems, you are sorely mistaken"
Where as if you think the majority of the customers (real as well as potential) don't put a high value on eye candy then you're myopic.
There are over 725 players on Hyperlobby right this minute enjoying IL2. How many are online in the AH' "MA"?
I'd wager lunch and a case of your favorite that quite a lot of those several hundred IL2 players are people who use to pay to play AH.
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Originally posted by WMLute
Do people in the older generation(s), let's say 30+, update their computers every other year?, or tend to buy one and hold onto it for many years.
I replace my system about every three years. All the games require more horsepower to run. My new system is 3 Ghz, 1 Gig RAM, X800SE, Audigy2,(replacing a 1.4 with 512 Meg) and with all the sliders up it will sometimes drop into the teens. But it's not unplayable. That being said Doom 3 and Farcry will sometimes get a little jittery with everything maxed out, so it's not just AH.
A computer that is many years old is a doorstop. Good for word processing and surfing the web. Not gaming.
I've gone from Ohio Scientific, c-64, Amiga through the various Intel boxes because each couldn't handle what I wanted to do. From 300 baud acoustic modems to broadband. Electronics is a fast evolving technology, obsolence comes quick.
This stuff is my hobby, it's what I spend my money on. I've only owned one new vehicle in my life, maybe thats why.
:) Oh, and by the way, I'm 49.
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Lute, I think you're the only other person that understood what I was trying to say. But that wasn't my only point..I mean really, what has changed in the gameplay of AH since they came out with 2? nothing! I've seen plenty of great ideas in feedback and request forum for making the game more fun and interesting but apparently nobody cares about that.. It's not just about the frame rate issue to me. The game is not unplayable on my computer, I'm just tired of all the bs eye candy when we can't even get any new planes or ground vehicles, or anything that might change the game play. You people can call me whiny (Zazen) but I couldn't care less about what you think of me. I'm not here to make your day. I just think that if you look past all the visual garbage, the same old AH is still there and it's getting old. But if you like the same old thing every day, over and over, with pretty clouds and trees and water, then you should love this game.
Anyone played Fighter Ace lately? would like to know how badly it's gone downhill, but at least they have a decent selection of aircraft to choose from
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Mine runs great - even better in some aspects - since the patch. That is until I get low to ground in a fight.... Then my screen practically freezes as it loads the brand new trees. At that point I go from 50-60 fps down to 7-9 fps, which is unplayable. If I turn the detail down, can't see the trees that I hit, that is until I hit em. Also can't see the fields unless I am right on top of em - no pavement seems to show. Big difference from last version which was smooth as ever to my machine.
I don't particularly care for the eye candy at all, although I have no problem with it. It isn't why I like to play the game. I'll tweak my sliders and hopefully will come up with an acceptable solution.
Clip
I hate the trees!!!!
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Originally posted by WMLute
and you sir may want to turn VSYNC on.
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Originally posted by Heretik
Then why can I walk into a room full of computers and almost instantly tell you which ones are running a 60hz refresh rate? I do have a hard time telling 75 from 85 though.
Florescent lights and 60Hz monitors will synchronize and some people can see this. Some people will not realize they are seeing it. This will cause some of the most exquisitely devastating migraines you have ever experienced.
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Originally posted by Ohio43
had it off didn't ya'?
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Originally posted by WMLute
If you think that the majority of the player base have screamin' high end systems, you are sorely mistaken.
Think it through a bit. What is the avg. age of the players in AH??? Would you say that most of the players are older? What percentage?
Sorry but your premise just doesn't wash. Most "older" people are going to have the resources to upgrade. Or at least they should if they are at all successfull in life. If you mean retired folks then sure that's another story but we do not want that to be the common denominator.
Yes, I am one of those "older' folks. late 40's, and I do have the resources to support my hobby. Do I like spending the cash? No not really but if it's necessary I will.
It's like this in any hobby, I know guys, some quite older than me, who will spend $1.5K-2.5K on golf equipment every 2-3 years. Not to mention the wads of cash they spend of greens fees every year. Compared to what they spend my hobby is a steal!
By your logic we should also make allowences for those who cannot afford the best flight sticks, throttles and peddals, eh?
Bottom line here is this, if your serious about this sim then you will do whatever it takes to get the rig that you want. Scrimp, save, side work, paper route, beg the wife, whatever. Just don't ask the rest of us that are willing to do this to be chained down to your standards.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
[Bottom line here is this, if your serious about this sim then you will do whatever it takes to get the rig that you want. Scrimp, save, side work, paper route, beg the wife, whatever. Just don't ask the rest of us that are willing to do this to be chained down to your standards. [/B]
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Started playing this sim bout 2 years ago, with a 2nd hand rig. Knew then I needed improvements..averaged bout 15 to 25 fpm, and I tried improving rig what I could. By the time AH2 rolled in fpm dropped to 0 - 15, to the point of having to leave for a couple of months by which time I had scrimped, saved side work money, etc. etc., to purchase a proper gaming rig. Already I'm banking money to continue upgrading, to keep ahead of the game even though my fpm averages are 115. The longer ya wait, the harder it becomes to play catch up.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Your eyes can only see around 30fps anyway, the rest is just a bonus =)
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Originally posted by Heretik
Then why can I walk into a room full of computers and almost instantly tell you which ones are running a 60hz refresh rate? I do have a hard time telling 75 from 85 though.
I think it's more around 60 - 72 fps, not 30.. That's why you can tell which monitor is running a 60hz refresh rate.
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In-game settings:
Resolution: 1024x768
Maximum Texture Size: 256
Preload textures into system ram is enabled
Other preload options disabled
My detail settings:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/skuzzy/mysettings.gif)
When there is a lot of smoke and planes at a field, I see the FPS dip into the low 20's. Mostly stays in the upper 20's at a busy field.
If I need to see ground objects, I toggle on ground vis.
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Skuzzy -- question.
When the slider for view distance is set for performance, the dots indicating GVs disappear at range along with the trees, etc. This is a major disadvantage when roach hunting (but so is a FR below 10).
If view range sliders are set low, and the ground vis setting is then toggled on, will the roaches pop back into view? Does the air vis range stay short, as i assume?
Thanks
Simaril
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Correct Simaril. When you hit the 'ground vis' switch, it essentially gives you full ground view distance. I do not believe it has any effect on air vis.
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Skuzzy, these graphic settings seems pretty low, which system are you using?
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But that wasn't my only point..I mean really, what has changed in the gameplay of AH since they came out with 2?
What was supposed to change? It's been made pretty clear AH2 was gonna be a major aesthetic upgrade way before beta. People had almost a year to prepare for it. Before that HT and Pyro has time and time again mentioned they'll be going into ToD development so future changes/plane releases would be slowed down.
I've seen plenty of great ideas in feedback and request forum for making the game more fun and interesting but apparently nobody cares about that..
Ideas are ideas, nothing more. Can any of the players actually take responsibility for the consequences in any event the idea is a faulty one?
It's not just about the frame rate issue to me. The game is not unplayable on my computer, I'm just tired of all the bs eye candy when we can't even get any new planes or ground vehicles, or anything that might change the game play. You people can call me whiny (Zazen) but I couldn't care less about what you think of me. I'm not here to make your day. I just think that if you look past all the visual garbage, the same old AH is still there and it's getting old. But if you like the same old thing every day, over and over, with pretty clouds and trees and water, then you should love this game.
Part of it is true, part of it is not.
Aesthetic upgrades takes time. So does gameplay upgrades. Of the two, HTC decided its a time to emphasize more on the aesthetics than the game play, and IMO they were right.
Anyone played Fighter Ace lately? would like to know how badly it's gone downhill, but at least they have a decent selection of aircraft to choose from
With pretty nice eyecandy and graphics.
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Originally posted by MANDO
Skuzzy, these graphic settings seems pretty low, which system are you using?
Those are from my office system MANDO. 850Mhz PIII w/512MB of system ram and an ATI8500 graphics card.
My home system is very different.
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Originally posted by red420
Lute, I think you're the only other person that understood what I was trying to say. But that wasn't my only point..I mean really, what has changed in the gameplay of AH since they came out with 2? nothing! I've seen plenty of great ideas in feedback and request forum for making the game more fun and interesting but apparently nobody cares about that.. It's not just about the frame rate issue to me. The game is not unplayable on my computer, I'm just tired of all the bs eye candy when we can't even get any new planes or ground vehicles, or anything that might change the game play. You people can call me whiny (Zazen) but I couldn't care less about what you think of me. I'm not here to make your day. I just think that if you look past all the visual garbage, the same old AH is still there and it's getting old. But if you like the same old thing every day, over and over, with pretty clouds and trees and water, then you should love this game.
Anyone played Fighter Ace lately? would like to know how badly it's gone downhill, but at least they have a decent selection of aircraft to choose from
In the last 6 months HTC has added 3 new planes to our set, updated the flight model, cockpits (not just for "eye candy", but for realism as well), and skin modelling on 6 others (at player request I might add), added the ability to use the .45 after bailout (at player request), changed the bombing setup TWICE at player requests, moved strat targets around to make it harder to bomb several targets at once (AT PLAYER REQUEST)...........dude, are you seeing a pattern here? Your claims are so full of crap even you cant see past them for all the brown in your eyes. And if you really dont care what we think, why are you bothering us with your opinions? If you are so unhappy with Aces High, go spew your poison at someone who wants to listen to it. No one here does.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Those are from my office system MANDO. 850Mhz PIII w/512MB of system ram and an ATI8500 graphics card.
My home system is very different.
Shucks, Skuzzy, ya need to get HT to spring for a new office 'puter :D
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WEll i got a 3.0ghz with 512mb of DDR^2 RAM! and a X300 Radeon (pci-express) 128mb vid card and i drop down to 10-15fps fighting over a clump of trees in 1v1's. Well i was hoping there would be an option for 3d or 2d trees in the patch but no such luck :(
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I'm finally getting fps that I expected out of my systym---10-15
more and didn't change a thing:)
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Looks like most of the one's complaining have been here less then a year, and therefore don't have a clue about about much HTC care's for and listen's to thier customers.
Or how often the game is improved.
This game is an evolving thing that just keeps getting better with regular updates, except from about what jan or feb last year,when HT announced a freeze on ah1 development to focus on AH2 ( as I remember, which is a scary thought).
Now that 2 is out, we're back into the evolving mode.
What other online game can you play with/shoot down the creator of the game from time to time ?
Where else does one get a reply from one of the very few people who run the whole deal on the bbs ?
IL2 ? fine, go fly 32 htoh
It ain't even close to getting 650+ on the same server at once.
I guess what I'm saying is don't rag on something that you have no clue about.
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Its not entirely right to say that Flit, some of these guys truly enjoy playing AHII and want to continue. And I understand their being upset. I had to take 3 months off when AHII came out, and even my current system isnt top of the line (although it does play AHII quite nicely). Yes, it seems some just want a chance to spew, but I think the rest have simply let their fear of being left out cloud their judgment. HTC has made every effort to include anyone who can manage the minimum requirements. And as Skuzzy's office 'puter shows, it works.
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It's iron rules, Star.
If they can't fit in, they go out.
Nobody has a problem when somebody whines about gameplay or vulching or spawncamping and others answer, "then go play some other game".
It's the same thing.
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Naa, I'm not like that.
I just think (there's that scary word again) that most of the whiner's are fairly new, and don't really know what this game is all about.I'm no tryin to point any finger's, it just seems that way too me.
While it's not perfect, it is the best thing out here, and HT is always making a serious effort to make it better.
That, too me , is what counts.
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still runnin a smooth 55-70 here, same setup as before, geforce 5200, athelon 64, gig of ram
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Jeez, the boards have turned hostile...almost as hostile as my mother-in-law. Yes the new patch has it's problems, yes there should be some different planes/vehicles and yes the new graphics are "pretty". What I'm trying to say is "can't we all just get along?". Ahhh, screw it...I'm so addicted to this dang game that if I had to use a dog **** as a joystick I would still probably play. It sure beats the alternative; talking to my wife and kids all evening.
I ebjoy the eye candy, but higher F/R would be cool with haveing to crank my sliders all the way to the right.
new planes and gv's please.
athlon 2600xp, 1 g ram, fx5700le 256mb and I see high 20's in the tower and 40-75 in the air.
J
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Red, I signed onto Fighter Ace for the 2 week trial about a month ago. Logged on, played for an hour and deleted it off my system, I personally don't think it compares at all with AH. I also have taken a large FR hit with the new patch and I have adjusted my sliders just to get into the 30-40 range. I had dropped down to 8-15 when over a base with multiple nme especially with smoke or fire at the field. I've been playing this game for longer than a year and I have paid for the right to complain:rolleyes: on occasion. I don't think anyone can question Hitech or Skuzzy's dedication to the customer base. I have problems with the new patch but I will try to update my driver's and see what I have running in the background before I call it unplayable for me.
I have seen alot worse complaints get more friendly responses than I have seen in this thread though.
DaPup
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Those are from my office system MANDO. 850Mhz PIII w/512MB of system ram and an ATI8500 graphics card.
My home system is very different.
C'mon Dale! Buy your IT director a new PC for crying out loud...LOL
Regarding the new version...I LOVE IT. Only negative I saw was in the first few seconds of flight from A43 last night. Some of you are well aware that the hills surrounding that base (and the foilage on them) cause a FR hit on the older versions too. Well after typing ".fly" there was about 3-5 seconds where my FR dropped into the 20s, once the foilage had been "built" it retured to the 60s. I did not have trouble with flames/smoke, either at our base or the enema's, and while at altitude over the water my FR was pegged at 75 (refresh), my vid card is modest, a 9800-pro-128.
This is one of the better releases IMO, and going from 2.2.4 to 2.3.0 is a release not a patch :D
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My settings and frame rates (http://hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148099)
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(Band of Brothers, Capt. Sobels......)
"I like spaghetti.........."
:D
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<---------------getting better framerates than EVAR.
'Budget' System:
Celeron 2.6
512 RAM
NVidia 5500 (256 mb)
Sliders set to middle.
Burning field w/ GVs rolling, 5 friendlies overhead...28 fps.
Not bad at all.
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(http://www.musketeers.org/NICEGUY/AirWarrior/16sunday.jpg)
9 Years Ago...and if it was up to people like Lute, it would still be the same today. PLEASE LETS NOT STOP PROGRESS. If you want to play you have to pay. You can’t expect a computer to be a viable gaming platform for anymore than a couple of years. The problem with people is they buy the bare minimum to play a game and then wonder why it runs like crap when a graphics upgrade comes out. Lets go to other game forums and see if anyone is complaining about too much eye candy. I'll bet you they are not.
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Originally posted by BigR
9 Years Ago...
LOL!
While we are at it...here's a picture of me in WB 1.x...9 years ago:
(http://www.edbert.net/images/MOL/MY40.GIF)
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BigR and edbert those old screenshots bring tears to my eyes.
Not tears of nostalgia but of joy in that we've moved on from such horrible graphics and short lists of features!
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Thanks for the info Pup. I last played FA when it was version 2.5 and after that they sold it to some company that ran it into the ground. I used to love that game, especially the realistic arena.. no radar, no icons, it was sweet. Sorry for all the *****ing guys, I was truly frustrated. I don't know how long I have been playing this game, since before they started talking about releasing 2.. I guess I should be more understanding about the lengthy evolution of the game, considering the relatively small size of HTC, and if I angered anyone, I apologize.
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Now Thats the attitude we like around here :)
The game will only get better, and yes HT is not perfect. There have been some patches in the past that needed some immediate help (I mean lol look at Ht's avatar, never mind his spelling), but they Always did whatever needed to be done.
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Originally posted by red420
I last played FA when it was version 2.5 and after that they sold it to some company that ran it into the ground.
LOL...sounds like Warbirds not Fighter Ace!
I for one am glad you are feeling better now Red. Dale and Doug really DO know what they are doing.
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Originally posted by WMLute
If you think that the majority of the player base have screamin' high end systems, you are sorely mistaken.
Think it through a bit. What is the avg. age of the players in AH??? Would you say that most of the players are older? What percentage? Do people in the older generation(s), let's say 30+, update their computers every other year?, or tend to buy one and hold onto it for many years. It would be a safe assumption that many of the players, a LARGE group of the subscriber base, are older people, with older systems. That said, why would one produce a product that would not work smoothly on a large chuck of their subscriber base?
Older?? OLDER?? At 30?? I must be dead by now. :D Anyway, I think most people are "older". but I also believe that those who have a few years behind them are in a better position to spend a few bucks on computer equipment. Not entire systems but certainly upgrades. I don't seem to have frame rate problems with my system (they have always been 30-45). It was video upgraded at AH2. The only real problem is I still get shot down as much. So the frame rates others are having my actually HELP me!!:aok
Peace
Pillur
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i had some majore fps problems when i ran at 1024 by 768, but when i moved it down to 800 by 600 it worked great but looked awfull, i turned on antiliasing to 4x, and it looks better than the higher res setting and gets better fps.
When i run at 800 by 600 i get a black rim around my screen for some reason tho.
another strange thing is, i cant change my gama in the video settings anymore, in fact none of the video settings seem adjustable anymore. I may have to reinstall ah i sopose.
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If you have an NVidia card, and enable anti-aliasing, I do not believe gamma changes will show. It is a limitation of the AA implementation.
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its an ati 9600 se, tho it may have the same symptoms that an nvidia card would have in this situation. will probably be dealt with in a proceding ati driver i assume.
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I have a 1.6 w/ 512 ram ,and a 128mb gforce. I have to king my sliders full right at 1024 to maintain 30+ fps.
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Originally posted by red420
Thanks for the info Pup. I last played FA when it was version 2.5 and after that they sold it to some company that ran it into the ground. I used to love that game, especially the realistic arena.. no radar, no icons, it was sweet. Sorry for all the *****ing guys, I was truly frustrated. I don't know how long I have been playing this game, since before they started talking about releasing 2.. I guess I should be more understanding about the lengthy evolution of the game, considering the relatively small size of HTC, and if I angered anyone, I apologize.
No worries. I got frustrated a few times here as well, and those led to a small break from the game on my part. Maybe something you may want to consider just to get the juices flowing again. Heck, even after a week I'm dying to play again :D
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i like the new patch and trees and my frame rates have picked up a little with my geforce fx 256mb..and im using a pent 1.4 gig..the new explostions dont cause any lag when bombs are dropping for me anymore and look way better then they did...happy as hell with it so far:)
they have to update the game or it will turn out like air warrior 3 with no imporvments and die a horrible death...how do ya expect to get people playing it when eye candy is half the game?..if eye candy didnt matter we would still be playing old games like secret wepons of the luffwaffa<~~game had horrible grafics but a decent fly sim with alot of options..but it would be laughable today as a pay to fly multiplayer flight sim..good work hightech keep the eye candy going:aok
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I have a 1.6 w/ 512 ram ,and a 128mb gforce. I have to king my sliders full right at 1024 to maintain 30+ fps.
Very similar system to mine, and I also have to keep all sliders to the right to maintain 30+ fps. We are running systems that are twice as good as the min req's, yet we dont get much better performance than a min setup. Something about that just isnt right imo heh.
It shouldnt take a system that is 4x as fast as the minumun req's to run this game at acceptable levels. Skuzzy thinks high 20's is acceptable, for me it isnt. Dropping from the low 30's into the high 20's has a very detrimental effect on my gunnery.
People had almost a year to prepare for it.
Prepare for what? I was already running my Athlon 2000XP which is twice as fast as the listed min req's. I think that is the root of the complaints that people are running machines much faster than the stated min req's to play, but they cant maintain acceptable frame rates.
Btw, for all of you running a motherboard with a VIA chipset AND a Sound Blaster sound card.......rip that SB out of your sytem and get a cheapo offbrand sound card. It REALLY helps your system performance.
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Originally posted by eilif
i had some majore fps problems when i ran at 1024 by 768, but when i moved it down to 800 by 600 it worked great but looked awfull, i turned on antiliasing to 4x, and it looks better than the higher res setting and gets better fps.
When i run at 800 by 600 i get a black rim around my screen for some reason tho.
another strange thing is, i cant change my gama in the video settings anymore, in fact none of the video settings seem adjustable anymore. I may have to reinstall ah i sopose.
eilif, are you using an LCD or CRT? Most CRT's have controls to stretch the screen to occupy the full display, some LCD's have this also. With LCD's look in your Vid card setup and see if there is a setting for screen stretch, this should fill the screen. Might reduce quality though.
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No offense guys, but if you are running 1024X768 your res is too high to be calling the minimum spec PC into play. Try it at 640X480 or even 800X600 and you should see the frames climb drastically. You can edit the config file to make changes not allowed via GUI, I chose 1920X1200 for the widescreen on my laptop that way.
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Originally posted by Edbert
No offense guys, but if you are running 1024X768 your res is too high to be calling the minimum spec PC into play. Try it at 640X480 or even 800X600 and you should see the frames climb drastically. You can edit the config file to make changes not allowed via GUI, I chose 1920X1200 for the widescreen on my laptop that way.
I tryed the 640x480 setting and never got ABOVE 35fps with that setting. Performance was absolutely horrible. I also tryed 800 x 600. While 800x600 was better than the lower setting, 1024 x 768 seems to be the *sweet spot*.
Actually, I just thought of something. I havent tryed lower resolutions since I ripped the SB card out of my system. I'll try 800 x 600 tonight and post later on how it went. Dont think I am gonna try 600 x 480 tho, that was just terrible.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Dont think I am gonna try 600 x 480 tho, that was just terrible.
You got that right bro! And to think that used to be called high res...LOL.
Of course ugly is better than a slide show.
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Originally posted by BigR
(http://www.musketeers.org/NICEGUY/AirWarrior/16sunday.jpg)
9 Years Ago...and
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~sniffle~ I miss it :(
culero (but has come to like the new thang)
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Originally posted by Edbert
You got that right bro! And to think that used to be called high res...LOL.
Of course ugly is better than a slide show.
You misinterpret what I am trying to say. It's not terrible because of the quality of the graphics (which DO suck btw), it was terrible because of the crappy frame rates at that low resolution. Any kind of a fight with more than 2 or 3 planes involved was a slide show. I cant even select 640 x 400 in Windows XP, maybe that has something to do with it?
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Things were more stable at 800 x 600 with textures at 128. My fps did go below 30 at times still. At one point it was in the high teens. My system still does bog down now, but I can go to a little bit bigger fights now.
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Originally posted by Flit
Looks like most of the one's complaining have been here less then a year, and therefore don't have a clue about about much HTC care's for and listen's to thier customers.
Or how often the game is improved.
Is this ID old 'nuff? or do I have to dig out the one BEFORE this back from my AirWarrior days?
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AW..........Ahhhhhhhh,...the memories. :p
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I LIKE BUNNIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My office system is an 850Mhz Pentium III with an ATI8500 video card. Previous patch I was hanging in the 30's to low 20's in frame rate.
With 2.03, I start in the tower at 50+ FPS and drop to around high 20's FPS. Very playable.
Look thats all fine and dandy Skuzzy, but most of these guys have numerous progs running, possibly spyware on their systems and who knows what else.
Whats running on that system, probably nothing... You running AV, Office toolbar, etc ?
Not picking a fight, but you full well know that most systems out there are poorly configured, even the store bought systems. Those things have so much junk on them it's pathetic.
I say, if you cant afford to play due to lack of a system. Save your money, then come back.
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Originally posted by ZZ3
I say, if you cant afford to play due to lack of a system. Save your money, then come back. [/B]
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That's exactly what I had to do :( FR's became so bad last Oct. decided to take break while gaming rig was built. came back on in late nov. & for those of you that say "can't afford a gaming rig at the drop of a dime", took me a year of saving up to get what I wanted.
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Look thats all fine and dandy Skuzzy, but most of these guys have numerous progs running, possibly spyware on their systems and who knows what else.
When I start AH I have 13 proggies listed in the task manager. I use multiple anti-spyware proggies to protect myself while surfing the net. Even though I have been able to fine tune many things to help the game run smoother, it still bogs down way to soon for a system running twice as fast as min specs. Imo, the min specs are to low.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Your eyes can only see around 30fps anyway, the rest is just a bonus =)
http://www.daniele.ch/school/30vs60/30vs60_1.html (http://www.daniele.ch/school/30vs60/30vs60_1.html)
webpage that discusses framerate and the human eye, this is the beginning, the 3rd page is the meat of the theory.
for anyone who is interested
TC
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AMD 2600 here 1.9 Ghz
512ram
radeon 9600 128mb
Res 1024x768
Max Texture size 1024
Preload all in memory checked
Horizon checked
transitions checked
Terrain Mip mapping checked
Level of Detail 50%
Displayed object size 80%
ground detail range 60%
Unless I turn on animated water my fps stays at 44, I have max fps set for 45. Is there any reason not to have it set at 45?
When I turn on animated water my fps drops into the twenties. So I hapily leave it off.
So for me, luckily, everything is quite good, the same as it was before the patch.
Oh and I use enditall2
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Is this ID old 'nuff? or do I have to dig out the one BEFORE this back from my AirWarrior days?
Um, Like I said, I 'm not pointing any fingers, I was noticing that most of the complainers had been here less then a year.
It was a simple observation, not a accusation:D
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Does Preloading textures in mem help FR and gameplay at all?????
Thanks
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Originally posted by Flit
Um, Like I said, I 'm not pointing any fingers, I was noticing that most of the complainers had been here less then a year.
It was a simple observation, not a accusation:D
good. can't 'member which I.D. I used that far back. I know I got one around here from 2000 or earlier. What sux, is most have missed the point of the thread.
Now me for example, I run a p4 1.3, 128MB cruddy Nvidia 5200, and have 512ram.
I have tweaked, and streamlined my system to the point that I fly with frame rates in the mid to high 20's in furballs/low to the ground, and it's VERY rare for me to drop under 20 for more than a second or so as the textures load.
I can see high 40's up high (think have it limited to 40, or 45 whatever).
I can PLAY the game as is. with little or no tweaking from "default" video settings I get those results.
I never said "don't add eye candy, or improve AH2's graphic engine" Never said it. Nor did the threads starter.
More what I was trying to get across was that I feel that HTC should try focusing a bit more on creating a stable platform for us to play on. They should focus a touch more on GAMEPLAY features. Tweaking FM's, or bringing all the planes to the hi-res textures.
Here's a simplified example. Last night I was flying around, and noticed how many trees were clumped together on the sides, and tops of the mountains, and I was thinking "how dumb". All they are doing is dropping my fps, and add nothing to game play. Wouldn't it make MUCH more sense to only clump these frame rate killer trees around areas that you would have ground vehicles in or around???? Sure it would take more time, and you would have to "fug" with each map to do so, but let's say you did just that. Sat down for a couple hours on the "baltic" map, and removed all the trees that were un-needed. HOW much would that help smooth out the playability of the game? We are talking about some pain in the tuckus tedious work there, BUT it would help out sooooo many peoples game experience. By thinning out the vast forest climbing up the sides and tops of areas where no ground vehicle WOULD go, or CAN go, most would see their fps raise up tremendously (or at the lest noticably).Possibly HT could code trees so they only were placed in "GV zones" or near/around fields/spawns/drives from spawns to fields. (Bolded out 'cause I feel that's a good idea)
Just a thought that would help out so very much to make my flying experience that much better. It's the little things that help sometimes. The small tweaks that take time, and help so much. I could use many diff examples (FM's, various little bugs etc) so please don't think this is a post whinin' 'bout trees.
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But what is stable gameplay? Bug free or beeing able to run on your 10 year old rig?
Tex,
The problem isn't people with 10 year old rigs. The problem is with people with 2 year old rigs.
You mention minimum system requirements. I believe the minimum system requirements as listed by HTC are somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 mhz.
I can't figure out how anyone would be able to play with that.
I've got an AMD Athalon 2400 (that's 2 ghz in real speed speak). Well above the "minimum system requirements." Can I play AHII? yeah. Is it fun seeing my FPS drop to 8 or 9 when someone dives to the trees? No.
I would love a bug free game. That's most important. And if I had a screaming high-end machine I would love the eye candy.
I like the trees in AH when I'm in a gv. I like em when I'm hunting Gvs who are closing in on my base and they are hiding in the trees.
But I really doubt that anyone says "Oh look, they've got trees scattered on hills and dales that no gv is ever going to cross. I'm going to quit playing IL2 for free and plop down $15 a month to play here." I doubt many people notice. Unless you suddenly see your machine slow to a slide show when you approach the foliage.
I don't think people here are saying stop making improvements to the game. I'm not. But I (I can see how much you hate the word we) am saying that graphic improvements should be balanced with a thought to gameplay for all customers.
Instead of making me love AH more, all this stuff, after the "Isn't that cool" factor wears off after 5 minutes, just bogs things down for me.
Is it fair the guy in the LA with the latest hot machine might not be able to fly or fight, but can get away because when he gets down low my machine turns into a slide show and I can't hit him?
(BTW, I think the new trees are a huge improvement over the old ugly ones, I just wish there weren't so dang many of them).
I would rather see HTC spend its time making improvements in other areas of the game, like more sophisticated damage modeling, improved control of buff drones, more new gvs, more new planes, individually controlable destroyers.
Or maybe they could work on coming up with a graphic slider system that doesn't impact gameplay (with disappearing gvs and suddenly appearing trees) that would give a lot more flexibility without making me, at least, feel like I'm flying and fighting with one hand tied behind my back.
Or they could just cut down on the number of trees scattered all over the map.
It would be different if HTC came out and said the minimum playable machine was somewhere in the neighborhood of a Pentium 1.5.
But if they want to keep the game strong for everyone, then they have to consider the system requirements of their broad base of customers, because right now games like LOMAC (which have similar min sys requirements) run a lot smoother on my machine in hyperlobby than AH does and I find I'm spending a lot more time there than here.
I would think HTC would want to draw as wide a customer base as possible. I thought that was why they lowered the subscription rate to $15. But, if they only want people with screaming high end machines, then they can keep doing just what they are doing. I don't think that's good for the game, the people who depend on a strong subscriber base for their living or the people who play it. But who am I to say?
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baine1 why do players with weaker machines than yours have much better fps in AHII ?
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Originally posted by Suave
baine1 why do players with weaker machines than yours have much better fps in AHII ?
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Good question :p You've described a better than average puter that ur running. Is it possible uv overlooked something?? Like what's running in the back ground while ur online, virus control, spam controls, any number of a hundred different things, not related to HT, can affect FR. Just a thought. Private message LTARmoil for advise, the dude know his stuff about puters, guess he should since he owns and operates custom puter store....regardless he may be able to assist, or advise:)
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Baine you can adjust your detail sliders to the right to improve your fps when you are down near the deck. You can also reduce the screen resolution and max texture size. Both of those things make the game uglier, but ugly is better than a slide show :)
Also, make sure you shut down all unnecessary background programs before starting AH. You dont need anti-virus, anti-spyware, im proggies etc running while you are playing AH.
One last thing. I noticed you are using an AMD cpu. Are you also running a VIA chipset on your motherboard? If so, are you using a Sound Blaster sound card? If you have a VIA chipset and SB sound, pull the sound card out and replace it with a non-SB card. That alone will boost your performance significantly. It did on my machine for sure.
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baine1 why do players with weaker machines than yours have much better fps in AHII ?
Ahhhh, one of the two great mysteries of my life. The other is why do super models seem to always hook up with guys not nearly as good looking or well-endowed as I am.:rolleyes:
I betcha Tex only gets off his screaming fast machine when Elle McPherson shows up at his door.
I run a clean machine with as few programs running in the background as possible.
I do have a Via MB, but I don't use a SB sound card or the onboard chip.
In general I don't have too much of a problem, in 30s or 40s, with my vis set for medium, my sliders on medium and my fingers crossed, except when I get down low, and then no slider in the world is going to help me. (One of my big questions about AH is why all fights seem to take place on, or wind up finishing on, the deck).
That's why my complaint about trees being everywhere instead of only in places where trees actually affect the gameplay.
I'm also a worrier, and it just concerns me that all the changes we are seeing are eye candy. Each patch seems to eat about 5 FPS on my machine. Soon my day-to-day flying is going to wind up being like it is flying close to trees now
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Can relate to the constant worries. Just spent big chunk of change on new rig this past Nov. No complaints, needed to do it, to keep up. However, I'll not let the grass grow up around my feet again, I'm constantly on the look out for upgrades, new and improved what evers, to keep well ahead of the game. It's never ending..........Oh The Horror of It :eek:
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Ya dont need spyware if ya set properties to 'prompt' when some site wants to plane cookies---I run adaware after a week or 2 of that, have NONE. (except 1 or 2 things, like my bank's web site, which demand them)
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Most of you seem to appreciate the gameplay complexity for the GV war that the trees have added. While I am sure to be in the minority here, I feel the trees add to the airwar complexity too. I am having great fun maneuvering amongst them in a duel-in-the-dirt, slip your wings perpendicualr and dip one wing into that gap then pull...and watch the guy following you (or trying to) splatter among the branches. Great fun!
Besides, having barren landscape with only clumps of foilage around GV spawns would be pretty...whats the word...GAMEY...in my opinion. Most of these maps represent a European, Pacific, or Baltic map (where the trees are not overdone at all), perhaps if we had a map of the great plains or another desert representation I could go for a more barren landscape. Why don't some of you download the map editor and give us one? Too bad the name Kansas is taken, guess we could have a Nebraska though!
:D
PS, while I have a fast CPU my video card is an old 9800-pro-128, due to be replaced as soon as my FPS dips below 50.
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Just installed the latest version and all hires patches 'n stuff to my 4-year olds gaming machine.
It's a A64 3000+ 512mb ram radeon9500 pro system with integrated ac97 sound and XP home.
Meaning you can get an upgrade consisting all those parts for $300 right here right now.
H2h arena, 85fps in flight (vsync), 60fps while looking at a smoking field. 1280x960.
At fully smoking field it got 20fps next to flames. Quality sliders over midrange (meaning higher q not lower.)
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well, ive disabled FSAAx2 and AFx2 with this version and have STILL got HALF the frame rate that i used to have....something very fishy going on
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This is hilarious. I bet half the people with problems have a ton of spyware festering on their computer. They are probably burning cds and playing music from itunes while connecting thru AOL to play ah2 at 1600x1200.
I’ve seen computers (namely my backup) barely above minimum specs run the game perfectly fine.
FIRST OFF...clean your computer out. Don’t have 1000 programs running in the background... then make sure you are running current drivers and that you have no video and audio irq conflicts.
Download Adaware, Spybot, AntiVir (all free) and run complete scans with each of those at least twice. If you find more than 500 spy ware programs, you should stop going to haxxor.com to find serial numbers for the version of photoshop 5.5 you downloaded off of kazaa. After you CLEAN YOUR COMPUTER, then focus on what processes are necessary and which are not. It’s a pretty good bet that 50% or more of the crap that is running in the background is not needed. After you weed out all of the garbage, go to your graphic settings in windows. There will usually be a 3d tab somewhere. Go to that and turn the settings from "quality" down to "performance" Turn off any AA or any other "effects". Load up aces high and to start, use the 128bit textures at a res of 1024x768. 800x600 is not playable IMO. Go into the video settings and turn off all effects....adjust your graphics sliders till you have a good mix of frame rate and detail. If you’ve done all that and it still is crap...go buy an Xbox.
I apologize for my poor spelling and grammar…I’m an American.
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Originally posted by BigR
This is hilarious. I bet half the people with problems have a ton of spyware festering on their computer. They are probably burning cds and playing music from itunes while connecting thru AOL to play ah2 at 1600x1200.
I’ve seen computers (namely my backup) barely above minimum specs run the game perfectly fine.
FIRST OFF...clean your computer out. Don’t have 1000 programs running in the background... then make sure you are running current drivers and that you have no video and audio irq conflicts.
Download Adaware, Spybot, AntiVir (all free) and run complete scans with each of those at least twice. If you find more than 500 spy ware programs, you should stop going to haxxor.com to find serial numbers for the version of photoshop 5.5 you downloaded off of kazaa. After you CLEAN YOUR COMPUTER, then focus on what processes are necessary and which are not. It’s a pretty good bet that 50% or more of the crap that is running in the background is not needed. After you weed out all of the garbage, go to your graphic settings in windows. There will usually be a 3d tab somewhere. Go to that and turn the settings from "quality" down to "performance" Turn off any AA or any other "effects". Load up aces high and to start, use the 128bit textures at a res of 1024x768. 800x600 is not playable IMO. Go into the video settings and turn off all effects....adjust your graphics sliders till you have a good mix of frame rate and detail. If you’ve done all that and it still is crap...go buy an Xbox.
I apologize for my poor spelling and grammar…I’m an American.
so how do you explain that my computer is CLEAN, and a fresh install on a stripe raid?
oh and that it runs MUCH BETTER LOOKING GAMES at MUCH BETTER GFX SETTINGS?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I have a 1.6 w/ 512 ram ,and a 128mb gforce. I have to king my sliders full right at 1024 to maintain 30+ fps.
I'm getting 85 in the tower, high 50's low 60's elsewhere at 1024/512 with an XP3200, overclocked (450/450) 265M 5700le, 1G dual ch PC 3200.
It's not 'all' about your hardware, but getting the most out of it.
If Windows is porked, or you have a million processes running along with the game your performance will suffer.
Some of you might try this... ctrl+alt+del before you run the game and check the 'processes' tab for how many additional resource hogging processes you have running. Things like spoolsv.exe (for printing) or realsched.exe (real player auto update) that take up 6M can be killed. I can kill off 6 or 7 un-needed apps and free up close to 40M.
I wouldn't start killing off processes if you don't know what they're for, but I'm sure some gamer geek website has a nice list of processes you can safely murder.
Not only to I have every little 'agent' app (the icons in the lower right) off, I run no viri / firewall apps or un-needed processes.. basically I run a kind of "stripped down" Windows and the game... and that's it.
Now I have this crippled Windows set up on a seperate drive with a clean install that I boot off of to game, but you can get similar results by setting up a new "game" user account, then using msconfig to keep these processes from starting at all.
Granted I'd need to re-boot to resume net surfing / whatever else, but the game runs a lot better.
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Originally posted by Overlag
so how do you explain that my computer is CLEAN, and a fresh install on a stripe raid?
oh and that it runs MUCH BETTER LOOKING GAMES at MUCH BETTER GFX SETTINGS?
Unless you are talking flight sim with similar amount of online traffic it is just 2 different subjects. HT has stated this many times. You absolutly cannot compare an FPS to a flight sim.
I've flown some of the other flight sims. CFS3 would not run well at all on my system, LOMAC was not much better. AH ran fine up until 2.03. It was tollerable after 2.03 but I went and got a GeForce 6600GT. It has helped a lot especially in the low furballs. My FPS rides around 40 most times but does not drop off like it used to in the furballs. I get ~30+ in furballs now.
Another thing, DRIVERS. I have solved many things from low FPS to discos by upgrading or installing the PROPER driver. That may not be the latest driver release as some new drivers (NVidia for one) don't work as well with older cards.
There comes a time if your 'puter is just not cooperating like you think it should, whack it and reload. Yes I know it sucks but sometimes it just has to be done. Another thing that can help is to re-apply the latest service pack for Windows. Especially if you've had any instances of your computer locking up and having to hard power down the system. Lastly I always reboot my system before I play. This seems to help out a lot.
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Overlag, Your system is about the same as mine except I’m running an x800xt. I don’t really ever have problems. But as a closer comparison, I will use my laptop. Laptop is a gateway AMD64 3400 with ATI9550 graphics. At 1024x768 I never see below 40fps. That’s with default detail settings cause I have never adjusted them on my laptop. There has got to be something running somewhere that is conflicting with the game. Check for IRQ conflicts. Also, disable the raid in your bios and see what effect it has.
By the way, I wasn’t directing my comments at you specifically. They were directed at the many people who complain about how porked the game is without realizing how porked their computer and setup is.
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its just a pain in the backside this
ive reduced from fsaa x2 and af x2 to fsaa x0 and af x0. Ive also moved the sliders in the game, a further inch to performance...around the half way mark.
result? fps just about the same as before although still much lower on the deck... however my game now looks like AHI:rolleyes:
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I wouldn't start killing off processes if you don't know what they're for, but I'm sure some gamer geek website has a nice list of processes you can safely murder.
I did exactly that, hit ctrl/alt/delete and started turning stuff off. I dont think Win XP lets you shut down anything critical. The 13 processes I have running in the background are all things Windows wont let me shut off.
Upside to this is now I recognize any *new* processes and immediately google them to see if they are some sort of mal-ware.
For a game with min specs of PIII 850, 32m vid card and directx 9.0 it sure runs crappy on systems that are twice as fast, or even 4 times as fast.
Some probably do have far to many processes running, maybe some spyware in there somewhere, but the majority of posters here seem to know how to run a clean machine. I do, thanks to Silat.
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http://www.blackviper.com has some good xp tweak advice
oops, seems to be down at the moment
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Originally posted by Elfie
I did exactly that, hit ctrl/alt/delete and started turning stuff off. I dont think Win XP lets you shut down anything critical. The 13 processes I have running in the background are all things Windows wont let me shut off.
Upside to this is now I recognize any *new* processes and immediately google them to see if they are some sort of mal-ware.
that is exactly what i do aswell , im running 11 proccess's with xp sp2 was at 9 with sp1 . if you dont tweak what xp is running i think the number of proccess's are in the high 20's to low 30's with a fresh install. .... 38
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Most problems I see in this thread are related to the over-extending of system resources. Even the fastest CPU and video card are going to choke if you run out of resources.
As an example, you cannot run 4X AA @ 1280x1024 with 1024 textures and skins enabled. It will kill your frame rate. The video card would need over 1GB of ram to do that.
People seem to equate the speed of the hardware to being able to do all that. It has nothing to do with the speed of the hardware. It is solely about resource management.
Unfortunately, the video card ram usage does not appear to be reported correctly from most video cards, which leads people to think they can get away with the above scenario.
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Thank you skuzzy.
Makes perfect sense.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Most problems I see in this thread are related to the over-extending of system resources. Even the fastest CPU and video card are going to choke if you run out of resources.
As an example, you cannot run 4X AA @ 1280x1024 with 1024 textures and skins enabled. It will kill your frame rate. The video card would need over 1GB of ram to do that.
People seem to equate the speed of the hardware to being able to do all that. It has nothing to do with the speed of the hardware. It is solely about resource management.
Unfortunately, the video card ram usage does not appear to be reported correctly from most video cards, which leads people to think they can get away with the above scenario.
can you explain to me why it worked fine with version 2.02 but not 2.03?
FSAAx2 @ 1280x1024 with 512kb textures didnt tax my system before 2.03 , and its fine with all other games. And FSAA isnt anything to do with the extra caculations AH does, compaired to a "standard" shoot em up or AI based sim so you cant blame it on that?
not being nasty but i just feel the tree textures are over doing it for a flight sim now. I mean sure the higher res plane/tank skins are great, the better explosions etc etc but once you get down to the trees the game is unplayable
edit: just think the LOD needs to be reduced for trees when your in a plane, no matter how low you go. only have full quality if your in a tank........
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
As an example, you cannot run 4X AA @ 1280x1024 with 1024 textures and skins enabled. It will kill your frame rate. The video card would need over 1GB of ram to do that.
Skuzzy, this is a serious question, not meant as a knock or anything....
why does the game give the option for settings like that if it is not possible for a system to do that? i dont understand alot about game design (well nothing) but what it makes me think is shouldn't the game be made to allow the highest settings in it's core? meaning, games like doom and the like you can run the highest settings with 4x AA, and it will be playable, even on my ti4800 i can run it 1 notch down from the best graphic settings.
i guess i dont understand why 1024 textures are designed for use in the game, but can't be used in an optimal setting with the current technology out there.
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Originally posted by JB73
Skuzzy, this is a serious question, not meant as a knock or anything....
why does the game give the option for settings like that if it is not possible for a system to do that? i dont understand alot about game design (well nothing) but what it makes me think is shouldn't the game be made to allow the highest settings in it's core? meaning, games like doom and the like you can run the highest settings with 4x AA, and it will be playable, even on my ti4800 i can run it 1 notch down from the best graphic settings.
i guess i dont understand why 1024 textures are designed for use in the game, but can't be used in an optimal setting with the current technology out there.
FSAA will automaticaly be disabled if it cannot fit all the textures into memory
this is why some people report better FPS at FSAAx6 than at FSAAx2....cos at x6 its OFF! lol
im not sure why skuzzy says that really. the difference between x0 and x2 in most of my games is really small. the old way of doing FSAA was something like making 2 images PER frame (ie double the work) however its done in a much better way now...i think...im no expert tho so could be totaly wrong??
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Scuzzy, You said the reporting of video memory usage seems to be incorrect, what's up with that? Knowing nothing about game design or programming I ask: Is that a common problem or an AH thing? (AH is the only game I've ever played that displays it) Is there anyway for people to determine what true usage of video resources is?
I ask because one reason I haven't updated my vid card is because it's always showing me I'm using only about half my onboard vid memory. I couldn't see the point of getting a card with twice or quadruple my current memory only to have most of the additional memory sit unused. Does what you're saying mean that I should break out the plastic and retire my old 64mb for something bigger and better? Is there a chance I would see a benefit?
Thanks
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As an example, you cannot run 4X AA @ 1280x1024 with 1024 textures and skins enabled. It will kill your frame rate. The video card would need over 1GB of ram to do that.
If you know that will kill the frame rate.....why allow those settings?
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Lot of questions.
1) We cannot force AA off if the user decides to force it on in the video control panel.
2) 1024 textures are useable, but without AA, and a caveate in a second.
3) We only report the memory used by the video card as it is reported by the video card driver. We have no control over what they are reporting.
AA still requires a frame of data for each level. Some cards do indeed disable it if the video card memory is running low. Some do not. It is a driver control issue.
1024 texture size is perfectly useable. But, you cannot combine it with AA as video cards simply do not have enough video ram to handle the enormous amounts of texture memory we need.
Take note, skins are a large resource. Over 270 skins available right now and the number is growing. Nothing is free. It takes a lot of memory for all this.
Even a system with 1GB of ram cannot preload all the textures into memory any longer without suffering swapping when using 1024 textures.
The options are there to allow the user to better tailor the game to his/her system. In that flexibility is the issue which allows a user to over-extend thier system.
Quite frankly, you have all the control you need to make the game playable. You can choose to do many things and pick what you want to live without or with, instead of us doing it for you.
What works for one system may not work for another. What one user wants to give up, may not be what another user wants to give up.
I have a very high end system at home. I choose to run with AA @ 1280x960 resolution. So, I give up using 1024 texture sizes and settle for 512. Not that it is settling for anything.
My system could run 1600x1200 just peachy with 1024 texture sizes and no AA. Performance is virtually the same, but I prefer how I have it configured.
Due to the inaccurate memory reporting from the video cards, it makes it very difficult for us to come up with a program to tell you what is best. We also cannot know exactly how fast a video card is. For us to take back all the flexibility would mean settling for the lowest common denominator.
If the performance is not up to where you want, then make an adjustment. You cannot hurt anything and everything can be undone if you do. You can choose what you want to see and how you want to see it within the restrictions of the resources you have in your system.
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Skuzzy, I run a clean system, I shut down all unnecessary processes and I have dumbed down the game as far as possible. Yet I still dont always get satisfactory performance from the game with a system that is twice as fast as the min req's. Why?
Maybe you could come to my house and set up my comp and the game for me? :D
*edit* ooops, forgot this. Skuzzy that is an outstanding answer in laymens terms that some of us puter tards can actually understand. :)
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thank you sir that explains some.
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Maybe I'm lazy, but I've never discovered anything that really gives me a full explanation of what all the options I have are regarding my video settings.
Right now it seems my two options are set things so I don't see stuff like trees, get good framerates but then see them get porked as soon as I get close to the ground, or _ even worse yet _ run the risk of flossing with a pine tree when it suddenly appears 100 or so yards in front of my plane.
I realize in AH we have a variety of options available to us when it comes to tweaking our video settings _ maybe too many.
The one thing I have never found, and this might be because of my earlier stated tendency to sit on my duff, is a good, comprehensive explanation of how to use the variety of video settings available. It's out there, in bits and pieces in various posts, but do we have a single guide somewhere that I can plow through at times when my employer thinks I'm constructively working to put their offspring through college?
Without such a thing, all the options in the world are pretty useless. Remember, gravity seems pretty self-evident now, but without Sir Issac Newton explaining it to us there'd be a lot of us believing that the only reason we don't go sailing off into space is because fairies are gripping us by the heels.
If such a thing is unavailable (a guide, not heel gripping fairies) because of the complexity of multiple hardware and system configs, then can one of our future patches include a minimum frame rate setting, where AH will start automatically shedding stuff to keep us in a playable range (I'm thinking about 25 fps)?
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Looks like most of the one's complaining have been here less then a year, and therefore don't have a clue about about much HTC care's for and listen's to thier customers.
Maybe Flit can explain how HTC is going to listen to their customers if their customers don't voice their concerns?
I wonder how asking HTC to listen to my concerns is somehow bad for the game? It might not be what you want to hear, but you're not buying groceries with the $15 I send HTC every month. If I were the person buying Coco-Krispies with the money that flows in from the beautiful southern NJ shore on the 15th of every month, I'd rather hear about, and try to correct those problems then to see that cash flow suddenly dry up with no warning or explanation. At least then I'd be able to decide if I wanted to listen or if it _ and the breakfast cereal it represents _ wasn't worth my time.
That's what this is all about, not trying to tear HTC down, rather letting them know when problems arise.
Or were these bulletin boards set up for the purpose of blowing smoke? Only good posts allowed?
If I were in their shoes, I'd push the envelope until customers started crying "Uncle" and then take a look at what was going on and maybe make some changes, big or small.
Consider this me crying "Uncle."