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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MwXX on April 13, 2005, 04:48:54 PM
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Asked my buddy for a ride to my car, that I had left at my office...and OTW there...he strikes up a conversation about how his neighbor and he got together in the afternoon to hang out....needless to say, "she" talked him into doing Coke.
(hes married, has a 2 yr old daughter, and good job) fyi..
I then asked him, why in the He** would you do that? he mentioned that he was just trying it out..."til 4am"
then the next comment to me was, that the next day it was done til that afternoon.........
in short....while we are driving...he mentions his posession of his "half" of the Coke...and asked me if I wanted to see.....my no comment obviously was a "yes" to him..so he pulls out an Envelope with it in it. By this time, Im freaking cuz I dont like to be around that kind of stuff, and I LOVE MY LIFE AND JOB!!!! DUH!!! but he insisted to lead me to believe it was ok to do it every so often...
NOW, this is a good friend of mine that looks me square in the eye and asks if I want to do a line with him.......................... ..
I said no of course....but now......my friend of all friends in involved with something I totally dissagree with.
If this was your friend....aside from telling them the obvious (you could die, lose your job, die, die )....what would you do?
:mad:
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He is not your friend if he does not respect how you feel about it and keeps it far away from you and your family.
period.
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Beat the sh*t outa him and tell him this is what its doing to his brain and life.
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Replace the coke with baking powder and laugh your bellybutton off when he does a line.
:D
Actualy, there is not **** you can do, he prolly wont listen to you, it will take him ****ing his life up to realise it was a bad thing to do.
To bad he has a kid.
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Tell his wife and then stay the heck away from him until he's clean.
eskimo
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No means no.
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I'd avoid him for the rest of my life.
A very good (older) friend of mine, the guy who got me into R/C flying, the best friend of my Uncle growing up, got back into drugs pretty seriously about 7 years after I met him. Although it hurt to do so, I avoided him completely after that and didn't speak or write to him until years later when I heard he had just finished a trip to a rehab clinic. He later got back into drugs and I haven't looked him up since.
People who do drugs, especially the hard ones, know exactly what they're doing. Regardless of any addiction or an inability to kick the stuff, they knew what they were doing when they started, and they knew damn well that they were potentially throwing away everything, from their friends to their own life. Why the heck would you want to have ANYTHING to do with that?
If I were you, I'd suggest he check into a rehab clinic. If he goes, remain his friend. If he doesn't, then he's chosen the chemicals over you and you have NO REASON to hang around with him. He'll drag you down if he gets the chance, because people who use drugs like that will do anything for their next hit.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
He is not your friend if he does not respect how you feel about it and keeps it far away from you and your family.
period.
And.. I would seriously think about telling the wife in some way or another so she has the chanse to get out (with the kid) in time or help him. Just make damn sure he is not "joking" with you first.
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what eagler said,
1994 similar thing happend to me, a friend asked me, i said no and broke the contact 100%.
1996 i heard from other friends he ended up doing suicide.
Listen to your inner voice, we are all individuals, what
someone enjoy can kill others. Its russian roulette.
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you people have been brainwashed, it's only cocain.
OMG, it's the devil drug.
not that i do it any more.
moderation, moderation.
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you people have been brainwashed, it's only cocain.
OMG, it's the devil drug.
not that i do it any more.
moderation, moderation.
Heh. You couldn't have proven my point any better.
I can tell the "cocain" you did made you smarter and your inability to spell, capitalize, and use correct grammar is just an affectation to help you pick up internet chicks. Sure, I believe you. It's harmless, and in no way affects your ability to get ahead in life, present yourself as an intelligent person, or achieve your goals.
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sorry , eagl, i was just as stupid as you before and after i used cocain,
"eagl" what is a eagl?
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Originally posted by john9001
sorry , eagl, i was just as stupid as you before and after i used cocain,
"eagl" what is a eagl?
An eagl is someone who's accomplished something other than admitting to being a "stupid" addict. heh... almost funny.
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i have not used coke in over 25 years , why do you call me a "addict"? sorry a "stupid addict".
i repeat.."brainwashed"
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Tell him what a pointless high it is.
Oh sure the initial rush is great. I'd even venture to say it feels fantastic but that peak usually wears off in 1/2 hour or less then you spend the rest of the night doing more and more of it of it trying to achieve that same first rush and it never quite happens no matter how much you do.
Oh sure you get F#$ked up but its never quite the same as that first rush. that first peak.
Now I've done some coke.
I've had some where the top of my head felt numb and my throat was so numbed I couldn't feel myself swallow(freaky feeling)
But no matter how good the coke was it was always the same thing
I know for me, while I would be high I would also feel irritable with anyone talking to me for more then a min or two at a time.
I would be sitting at a party with someone talking to me and I'd outwardly politely listen to them but inwardly I'd be thinking to myself. "Why dont you please PLEASE just shut the #$#$ up"
So I just gave it up as a pointless high. Like I said the initial rush is fantastic. But that rush doesn't last long enough to make it worth the cost or effort to do it.
Its not like acid where everything takes on a new meaning, at least there you can solve the problems of the world or be fascinated by the subtle intricacies involved in a the legs of a ladybug climbing over your shirt.
And the answers to the mysteries of the universe seem obvious.
Those of you that have done it know exactly what Im talking about.and are grinning your arses off
Those that havent.
Think Chaos theory and the mind of mindset and thinking that had to go into that.
Whoever came up with the idea that a butterfly flapping its wings here could cause a hurricane on the other side of the globe was probably on acid when he came up with it.
Thats the kind of mindset
But coke? totally pointless.
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oh and as for your friend.
Tell him you would like to see it before you try it. then take the bag and flush it. Then beat the watermelon outa him for being so stupid
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Originally posted by john9001
i have not used coke in over 25 years , why do you call me a "addict"? sorry a "stupid addict".
i repeat.."brainwashed"
Hey you're the one that said you we're stupid. Heck, I wholeheartedly agree. Sorry about the addict statement, but you do so sound like one.
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He sounds like a pratt.
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Tell him you will rat him out to the wife and end your friendship unless he flushes the **** in your presence and enters a 12 step program and works the steps. Go to the meetings with him.
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My horoscope in the Onion sez,
You've heard a lot of rational-sounding arguments in favor of drug legalization, but you'll be damned if you can remember what they are.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Tell him you will rat him out to the wife and end your friendship unless he flushes the **** in your presence and enters a 12 step program and works the steps. Go to the meetings with him.
Damn Funked, that's the best advice yet.
Also tell him you will do whatever it takes to prevent him from flushing his life down the toilet. And that you'll do this, knowing he might hate you, because he is your friend and you love him and his family and don't want to see them all suffer.
Sometimes we have to be agressive to intervene when people we love are crashing and burning...unfortunately most people are concerned that those they're trying to help will end up hating them, so they do nothing but watch, or offer an occasional timid comment, instead of getting proactive and doing something positive to actually help that person.
I wish someone had intervened when I was crashing and burning....I'd have a lot more money today, and a whole lot more braincells too.
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If you like him, try to help him, including telling the wife.
If you do not end the friendship, because it will only come back to haunt you.
Either way, inform the wife.
As for those of you saying addicts knew what they were getting into before they started, I suggest you realise that is not the case. Many start as naive kids trying to fit in. Then end up hooked on something. Use heroin as an example. It is horribly addicting, and phenomenally painful to be withdrawn from. Now tell me someone you know that would willing wish that upon themselves.
Drugs, in any shape are not healthy for your body, mind, or spirit. No matter what anyone says, they are not. Remember, anything, that physically and / or psychologically addicts you can not, and is not a good thing.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Damn Funked, that's the best advice yet.
Also tell him you will do whatever it takes to prevent him from flushing his life down the toilet. And that you'll do this, knowing he might hate you, because he is your friend and you love him and his family and don't want to see them all suffer.
Sometimes we have to be agressive to intervene when people we love are crashing and burning...unfortunately most people are concerned that those they're trying to help will end up hating them, so they do nothing but watch, or offer an occasional timid comment, instead of getting proactive and doing something positive to actually help that person.
I wish someone had intervened when I was crashing and burning....I'd have a lot more money today, and a whole lot more braincells too.
well said airhead.
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If you are his friend do whatever you can to get him off the drug but do not get yourself in a situation where you get involved with the stuff. His life is his life, yours is yours. Dont end up in jail & with a criminal record because the cops find his drugs in your car.
I'd look at him straight in the eye and tell him to think about his daughters future. Word it so that it shows him that the worst thing a kid can have growing up is having a loser and a criminal for a father.
If that dont work then by all means, inform his wife, inform his parents even.
At this point consider your friendship over, but its a price worth paying if it means possibly saving his wife's and daughter's future (and possibly their lives too).
If you are his friend help him. If he's beyond help, help those he loves. Even if he hates you for it. There's nothing else you can do.
Good luck !
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Its a good thing you came to the intardnet to solve this problem. Treat him like an addict like everyone else is saying you should and I'm sure he'll come around to his senses.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Its a good thing you came to the intardnet to solve this problem. Treat him like an addict like everyone else is saying you should and I'm sure he'll come around to his senses.
-SW
No, it's not treating him like he's an addict- that would be distancing yourself from him. Rather treat him as a friend you love who has a problem.
If people had intervened when I delevoped my suppository addiction I wouldn't be sitting on an inflatable donut with a colostomy sack in my lap right now.
I blame you for my condition Wulfie. :mad:
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A good night, the best in a long time/
A new friend turned me on to an old favorite/
Nothing better than a dealer who's high/
Be high, convince them to buy
Seems so sick to the hypocrite norm/
Running their boring drills/
But we are an elite race of our own/
The stoners, junkies, and freaks
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Its a good thing you came to the intardnet to solve this problem. Treat him like an addict like everyone else is saying you should and I'm sure he'll come around to his senses.
-SW
Ruh roh, here comes the addict-in-denial SWAT team.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I became a teacher because SOB wouldn't let me hang around young boys on my leisure time.
-SW
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MwXX, get your facts straight: That guy is not your friend.
At lest in here friends are trying to keep you out from troubles and not trying to get you into them.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Those of you that have done it know exactly what Im talking about.and are grinning your arses off.
:D GRNN NN NNNN
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Teach him a loving lesson the hard way: club him over the head with a tire tool, leave him for dead in a tender friendly way, steal his coke, sell it at retail midwest America street prices, buy yourself something shiny and wear it in front of him often. Ask him how he likes your new "bling-bling".
It's a hard world out there and it's your duty as a friend to make sure life's hard lessons don't come from strangers.
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:rolleyes: Intardnet muscle flexing dudes...
Before beating himup or narcing him to his wife, consider talking him out of it. He might not listen and bang the b*** that made him try it... but at least you'll treat him like a human being.
Mac, was that you I spotted trying to f*** a bottle of spa in a club 20 years ago?
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say Wow, cool, let me check it out .... aa, aaa aaaa CHOO!!!!
Then he'll be pissed at you for blowin his "half" all over the car and you won't need to tell him to F off.
Then say, oops, sorry about that weeks worth of groceries:D
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Originally posted by Nath_____
A good night, the best in a long time/
A new friend turned me on to an old favorite/
Nothing better than a dealer who's high/
Be high, convince them to buy
Seems so sick to the hypocrite norm/
Running their boring drills/
But we are an elite race of our own/
The stoners, junkies, and freaks
Chains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol one of my favs!
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Originally posted by john9001
"eagl" what is a eagl?
An "eagl" is the following:
Someone who played Warbirds long enough to have had only a 4 letter handle, because that was all that was allowed, and he kept it,
An "eagl" is one of the best players the game had,
An "eagl" is an officer in the USAF, who flew F15 Eagle Fighter Jet aircraft and taught others in the USAF to fly military jet aircraft,
And an "eagl" is a good guy, liked and respected by all who know him .
dago
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Its not that bad.. in moderation of course.. I know peps who will on occasion have some fun. Some with very important jobs.. Whats worse, an occasional high or home drunk everynight with your kids?? You guys judge too harshly..
Why you people think this guy in this thread could not continue being a friend is way beyond me.. If he held Mx at gunpoint and made him do it that would be different.. Have not read that part yet though.
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I think you should break his arm.
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Len Bias, that scared me straight, never touched the stuff. Although one "line" didn't kill him, that's all it takes to have an effect on the heart. Why take the risk?
I think a good high is a game of rollerblade hockey.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
IWhy you people think this guy in this thread could not continue being a friend is way beyond me.. If he held Mx at gunpoint and made him do it that would be different.. Have not read that part yet though.
ditto
I have a good friend who has done it in the past and might still do it occasionally. I've stated my negative opinion about it and he respects it. I don't see why I should freak out and break our friendship because of that. I know I'll never touch that stuff.
MvXX, Your friend will have his honeymoon with the drug and he will later come to his senses or not. There really is very little you can do about it. Breaking up your friendship will likely make it worse. Unless you are afraid you might start doing it too, I don't see what good it would do for you.
The worst thing you can do at this point is to tell his wife. If it gets worse she will find it out herself and act accordingly.
Be sensible and think very thoroughly before doing anything that might cause something irreversible.
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Originally posted by Dago
An "eagl" is the following:
Someone who played Warbirds long enough to have had only a 4 letter handle, because that was all that was allowed, and he kept it,
An "eagl" is one of the best players the game had,
An "eagl" is an officer in the USAF, who flew F15 Eagle Fighter Jet aircraft and taught others in the USAF to fly military jet aircraft,
And an "eagl" is a good guy, liked and respected by all who know him .
dago
yeah! thew military gets the "right" stuff. a little speed anyone? it's much longer lasting than coke for a fraction of the price.
nothing beats the combo of good quality drugs and military hardware. of course most of the old fat arses in here have to settle for "monster" and AH.
;)
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I suppose it is possible that there are people who do coke occaisonaly and in moderation and never get hooked.... I have met dozens who claimed that exact thing....
I never seen any that were telling the truth... not one. hell... I sold enough of the crap back when.
what most do when they get broke or when they can no longer function because they can't keep from hitting the bag every 20 minutes or so... they switch to crank.... see... that is the real solution...little harsher and not so cool but.... you can get your nose out of the bag for hours at a time! well.... at first anyway..
lazs
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Originally posted by MwXX
Asked my buddy for a ride to my car, that I had left at my office...and OTW there...he strikes up a conversation about how his neighbor and he got together in the afternoon to hang out....needless to say, "she" talked him into doing Coke.
(hes married, has a 2 yr old daughter, and good job) fyi..
I then asked him, why in the He** would you do that? he mentioned that he was just trying it out..."til 4am"
then the next comment to me was, that the next day it was done til that afternoon.........
MwXX,
I sympathize with your situation. I hate to bring this up, but if I know anything about human nature, he's doing more than just the coke. No one generally hangs out alone with a member of the opposite sex till 4 AM just doing lines, especially if they're high. He's well on his way to flushing his marriage as well. If I were you I'd simply confront him on that, as in "You're cheating on X, aren't you?"
Now, I've encountered a few men who've managed to hide alcoholism and even a coke or crack habit for a while, but eventually in all the cases something eventually broke loose. They got picked up attempting to buy, they got in a car wreck, one of their new found "friends" robbed them blind or shot them, their habit financially ruined them and their family, their spouse finally got tired of maintaining the facade of having a normal home and left taking the kids with them, regardless in some way the abscess that had been just below the skin burst and suddenly what they had been attempting to hide and manage was visible to everyone. What Moses warned of eventually always happens: "be sure your sin will find you out."
Generally however the warning "you are going to ruin your life" won't carry much weight with someone in that process. You will be perceived as being uncool, and underestimating their amazing ability to be the first person on earth to perfectly balance life and a coke habit, besides you are asking them to voluntarily stop doing something monkeys will choose over food until they drop dead in a lab test. Usually the person has to reach rock bottom before they even realize "hey, this stuff is in control of me, not vice versa." Now, if your friend is a professing Christian I'd give you slightly different advice, but fwiw my advice in your current situation is take this as seriously as a heart attack, get a lot of people he respects involved and do an "intervention" now, he'll hate you for it, but better that than waiting for the almost inevitable free fall.
The process requires a heck of a lot of intestinal fortitude and will probably suck but If you love him, and want his kids to grow up with their dad, rather than just visiting him on the weekends, then that should be the course you take.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by lazs2
I suppose it is possible that there are people who do coke occaisonaly and in moderation and never get hooked.... I have met dozens who claimed that exact thing....
I never seen any that were telling the truth... not one. hell... I sold enough of the crap back when.
what most do when they get broke or when they can no longer function because they can't keep from hitting the bag every 20 minutes or so... they switch to crank.... see... that is the real solution...little harsher and not so cool but.... you can get your nose out of the bag for hours at a time! well.... at first anyway..
lazs
I did coke and never got hooked. My room mates cousin was a dealer and most of the time we'd get it for free.
But I never felt I "had" to have it, and never craved for it when I didnt.
I got bored with doing it and saw it as a pointless high. and just stopped cause I didnt feel like doing it any more
Same thing with crank.
Now I know people who got hooked on both and worse.
but I personally for all the drugs I used to do never got hooked on any of them.
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Hey XX
Well, if he's your friend then I'd do everything possible to get him off it. There's many different ways of approaching the problem but you know him best and I'm sure you have a few ideas of how you can "help" him kick the habit. Many people have said that "he's no friend of yours" blah blah blah... well, he is a friend of yours and you help your friends! I wouldn't walk away too easily... Do you have any other mutual friends? Can they help too? At the extreme end of the scale you could call the cops and they may force him to attend a rehabilitation course. He doesn't have to know that you tipped the cops off but if he did know then he may thank you for it in the end.
"A friend in need is a friend indeed."
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Mwxx, become a dealer
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I have a friend and a former co-worker who has been an addict for over 20 years.
I have known him since highschool.
He lost his wife, two children, the respect of those that know him, his self respect and now his health. He is 47 years old, one year younger than I yet he looks to be in 60s. I don't think he'll live another year.
He was a very gifted artesan and could fabricate just about any shape in sheet metal as well as an excellent welder. At the start of his addiction in the early '80s he was earning $50k and was well on his way to becoming a legend in this town of legendary clients. people sought our shop out because of his ornamental gate work. there wasn't a day that would go by that a rolls, bentley or ferrari or a lagonda or something exotic wouldn't be in the parking lot in front of the shop, it's owner commi$$iong gate and access control work. this was solely because of his talent. he was a very witty and affable and felt very at ease with people who were famous and wealthy. he treated them as people and his formula worked for him. consequently he and the owner of the shop (who was an accomplished and talented fabricator in his own right) were often invited to many of the house warming parties at these palatial estates.
today he sleeps on filthy mattress and showers with garden hose in the back of my shop. he lives off of the charity that myself and others from his past offer him. he can no longer afford cocaine but he hordes brass, copper and aluminum that I allow him to collect and hauls them to the smelter up the road aways in a supermarket shopping cart then buys rum and drinks himself into oblivion about once or twice a week.
the only positive that comes from his situation comes in the form of a cautionary tale. many of his creations were photographed and serve as our display for people to admire and assist them in selecting something for their residences. the younger guys know the work and the talent that it took to create it. no one would believe that the wretch in the shop was also the creator of those fine specimen of workmanship but that three of us that worked along side and under him way back when testify to the fact.
Vice is alluring but the price the individual ultimately pays for his vices is freightening.
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First thing to do would be find out if this female neighbor of his is hot. If so take off early and knock the dude outa the saddle. :D
Seriously though, the last thing I would do would be what some here have suggested, telling his wife.
Man, if you looking to get into a real **** match this would be the way to do it. Getting between a husband and wife always comes out with you being the enemy. It`s just the way of things.
If you are really this guy`s friend, then just explain your view point on the subject.
If he accepts it, that`s fine. If not, he will just have to work it out on his own.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I suppose it is possible that there are people who do coke occaisonaly and in moderation and never get hooked.... I have met dozens who claimed that exact thing....
Same here, and those people actually do exist. But judging from this guy's story, he aint one of them. All it takes is for the right drug to land in the right person's lap, and lights out.
MwXX's description has all bad written all over it. Almost the classic case. I'd love to hear an update on it, cuz even a mere two to three days later is gonna say a lot about the next two to three years+ about this guy's life.
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Some of the best times i've evar had involved an eight ball a camcorder and a nice girl in some lingerie.
Boy i miss those days.
Oh well...
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torque... why miss em? just keep doing it. Harmless enough right?
lazs
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Seagoon...tough to actually go through with the cheating when up at 4.00am after doing coke. The stuff has a very negative effect on the male organ.
Not to say the intention isn't there....I think you are right.
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Originally posted by Curval
Seagoon...tough to actually go through with the cheating when up at 4.00am after doing coke. The stuff has a very negative effect on the male organ.
Not to say the intention isn't there....I think you are right.
It only has a negative effect on some men. For other men it's like Viagra.