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General Forums => Terrain Editor => Topic started by: FalconSS on April 14, 2005, 09:45:58 AM
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My MA map is complete, I sent it to your support address was that the right place to send it?
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Yes.
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Falcon better change your nazi avatar
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Falcon, you must drop the Nazi swastikas from your avatar.
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sorry, still not better
drop games kid
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In
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He is not alone Falcon**
If you think it's cool to have an avatar like this ... you're mistaken.
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Good ridance and don't look back.
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:aok
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Hmm... there are many things that different people may find offensive... even those D*** and B*** words in Straffo's sig. Where is the line? Nazi swastikas were removed and even though the first pic in his new avatar was not of very good taste, was it really prohibited somewhere? Are the letters SS also so bad in a game related to WWII? Are there also other insignias that are prohibited? Is Ramzey moderating the avatars? What is going on here?
Just wondering..... :confused:
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Personaly I find SS insignia much more offensive than the Swatstika.
It can be argued that Rall; Galland et al mere young men defending their homeland; flying under the national insignia of the time.
I don't buy it; but it can be argued so.
With the SS; there's no argument.
We're talking bona fides Nazis here. There is no "kindler; gentler" face to the SS. They; and everything they stood for; was evil.
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Seeker, how much have you studied or read about SS (e.g. the foreign volunteers and late war SS troops)? That issue could be argued just as well but most likely this forum and this thread are not the best place.
BTw... I did not know that Rall or Galland were nazis.. or did you just refer to them because they were Germans flying in LW? How do you feel about the new Pope and his background?
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Originally posted by BlauK
Hmm... there are many things that different people may find offensive... even those D*** and B*** words in Straffo's sig. Where is the line? Nazi swastikas were removed and even though the first pic in his new avatar was not of very good taste, was it really prohibited somewhere? Are the letters SS also so bad in a game related to WWII? Are there also other insignias that are prohibited? Is Ramzey moderating the avatars? What is going on here?
Just wondering..... :confused:
BK ,Falcon** 1st avatar was not really good according to my taste ,nothing more.
The 2nd one was worst IMO that's why I reacted.
Adolf was not a boy scout, and using him and differents symbols in an animated avatar is bad taste and a provocation.
PS : between my 2 posts there was a deleted one.
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Patriots must believe their leaders are moral and just but that doesn’t make it so.
You’re free to skin planes for Rall; Galland et al as a way of commemorating their courage but that’s far different from the Nazi symbols, swastikas and Hitler posters.
Falcon had the stylized SS as part of his board avatar for as long as I can remember, wondered why he wasn’t called on it, but now that he crossed the line and called attention to himself, I figure all bets are off and Skuzzy already deleted his avatar twice. I hope he doesn’t push it again if he gets the chance to come back.
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I removed them myself, Skuzzy and BlauK have been the respectful ones, the rest of you just came in here to throw stones. (enough said)
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My a** I noticed you avatar long time ago
Our path never crossed in the BBS or in the MA otherwise you would have know my thought very precisely.
But your 2nd avatar with Hitler was to much.
I decided to react because even if we all have the right to act stupid (me included) , we don't have the right to repeat the same error twice.
Especially when warned about.
And your current avatar is still nauseus.
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Aw now did u read his post?
Blauk:Seeker, how much have you studied or read about SS (e.g. the foreign volunteers and late war SS troops)? That issue could be argued just as well but most likely this forum and this thread are not the best place.
BTw... I did not know that Rall or Galland were nazis.. or did you just refer to them because they were Germans flying in LW? How do you feel about the new Pope and his background?
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Are you speaking to me ?
I don't think remplacing this :
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/33_1114553189_aa12.gif)
By this
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/33_1114553233_heil.gif)
is really smart.
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Now you can still pretend not having any time used this avatar but we will you and me know it will be a lie.
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Geesh, you're not very bright are you? I never claimed to have not used those, to bad you can't put the other one up too then everyone could see the set, why don't you just give this a rest huh?
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I can't give a rest to some wearing the symbol that killed to much members of my familly.
It's something abstract for you
For me it's my history and nothing frivolous to play with.
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Ok now stop!
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Falcon: The SS murdered Canadian, British, American, French, and Polish soldiers after they had surrendered.
The SS formed and ran the units that ran the concentration camps where 12 million people of almost all nationalities (including German) were murdered. The SS formed and ran killing squads to "liquidate" defenseless civilians in all eastern European countries. These are all documented and admitted facts, available in the Nuremburg transcripts.
That you have decided to keep that avatar means to me that you are intentionally being offensive and intend to associate yourself with these butchers. I've scraped better stuff off my boots after walking through a barnyard than you are representing yourself to be.
asw
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kid change avatar to NORMAL not offensive, and stop fooling around
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Detch,
should a red star be banned as avatar for similar reasons?
Straffo,
Can a face of Stalin be used as avatar?
Should a confederate flag be banned because... "they were all evil slavers"?
Ramzey,
what if there is a descendant of a german killed by polish 315 playing this game? Is your avatar not offensive to him?
Should we disallow Lancaster in the game because it was used to bomb civilians in Dresden?
SS had a bad reputation and for a reason. Most SS men were commited national socialists at least before the war and in early 1940's. Some SS units are known to have commited war crimes, but so are many units in other armies. No-one here can say or prove that all SS men were nazis and commited war crimes!
Just lay off your stones and let SKuzzy take care of the issue. He already stated that FalconSS should remove the nazi swastikas, which he did.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Straffo,
Can a face of Stalin be used as avatar?
Not either .
Should a confederate flag be banned because... "they were all evil slavers"?[/B]
No opinion here, it's not a symbol I associate with murder in my familly.
SS had a bad reputation and for a reason. Most SS men were commited national socialists at least before the war and in early 1940's. Some SS units are known to have commited war crimes, but so are many units in other armies. No-one here can say or prove that all SS men were nazis and commited war crimes![/B]
All the SS made the same pledge I don't see a difference between the one in the camp and the one on battle ground.
They were instrumental to a political regime.
Just lay off your stones and let SKuzzy take care of the issue. He already stated that FalconSS should remove the nazi swastikas, which he did.[/B]
I didn't reacted to this but more to teh 2nd avatar.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Seeker, how much have you studied or read about SS (e.g. the foreign volunteers and late war SS troops)? That issue could be argued just as well but most likely this forum and this thread are not the best place.
BTW. I did not know that Rall or Galland were Nazis. or did you just refer to them because they were Germans flying in LW? How do you feel about the new Pope and his background?
Well; I'm by no way a "real" historian; just an interested party with a good book collection; same as most of us here; I guess.
But you mention foreign volunteers and late war troops....
Yes; there were people who conscientiously joined the fight against Bolshevism. But these people weren't "defending their homeland"; were they? They were destroying some one else's on the eastern front; by and large; and usually were the poorest controlled with respect to civilians to boot.
Certainly; it's an uncomfortable fact that there were more Dutch volunteers for the Reich than there were Dutch resistance members; a situation which is largely mirrored in many of the occupied lands. And yes; most of these foreign volunteers were incorporated into the SS in some way.
Nonetheless; I believe my point stands.
As for Rall and Galland being Nazis? At the time, yes. They took a personal oath of loyalty to Hitler; met the man; shook his hand and offered their lives to his cause. "We; the people"; as our American friends like to say....
The measure of the men is that post war they could accept that they were fighting for the wrong cause; unlike Rudel. They were supporters; but not necessarily believers; nor fanatics. And of course; post war; comes a lot of rationalization; a lot of "we were protecting our home land"; a lot of "we were only following orders".
But Nuremberg showed that "only following orders" is not a defense.
For Axis fighters to claim "we were defending our homeland" is as disingenuous as Allied fighters saying "we did it to save the Jews!".
There's a grain of truth in both statements; but really; they're untrue.
As for the Pope; well, there's several factors.
The first is that it's recognized that many; if indeed not most members of the Hitler youth were in some degree coerced into the organization. But young minds are easily molded; and I couldn't possibly have an opinion of how well the process worked on any given individual with out studying that individuals particular history.
The second factor is one I'm really not qualified to have an opinion on; and that's Christianity; and it's doctrine of repentance and forgiveness.
In other words, Blauk; I recognize your bait; but don't have a fishing rod to match :)
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Originally posted by straffo
It's not a symbol I associate with murder in my familly.
I am sorry about that sad history and I am not trying to justify such actions in any way :(
All SS units were not accused of war crimes though, e.g. the Wiking (http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1978)
All the SS made the same pledge I don't see a difference between the one in the camp and the one on battle ground.
They were instrumental to a political regime.
But this is not competely true. Check here (http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1717)
I do not mean to justify attrocities. My point is simply that a WWII related symbol should not be judged just by "common knowledge" and generalizations. There was SS and there was Waffen-SS and there were concentration camp troops. There were frontline fighting units and there were police units operation behind lines. All these units are still referred to as SS... If there had not been any separate SS, would the whole German Army be accused of attrocities?
Here is what Wikipedia writes about SS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen_SS)
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Seeker, good answer :)
My point was only that often all Germans are named Nazis far too easily. Issues are overly generalized and made good or evil, black or white, when in truth there are only various shades of gray.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Detch,
should a red star be banned as avatar for similar reasons?
No. There is a difference - if the ss symbol was of historical significance only I would have no problem with it. However, it is in use today by neo-nazis who preach the same racial and religious hatreds that spawned the original brown shirts. The red star, at least in the part of the world I live in, is of historical significance only. Had the ss symbol not been claimed and used by the current version of himmler's gutter slime it too would have only historical significance and I would have no problem with it.
Just lay off your stones and let SKuzzy take care of the issue. He already stated that FalconSS should remove the nazi swastikas, which he did.
Whatever HTC decides to do about the use of that symbol is entirely up to them. My comment was directed at Falconss.
asw
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It makes perfect sense, see? He's been living under a rock for the last 60 years.
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http://encyclopedia.learnthis.info/s/ss/ss.html
On September 30, 1946, the judges of the Nuremberg Trials (Tribunal) sentenced the SS-organization, declaring it a criminal organization. The judges underpinned this sentence by stating that: "The SS was used for purposes which were criminal, involving the persecution and the extermination of the Jews, brutalities and killings in concentration camps, excesses in the administration of occupied territories, the administration of the slave labour programme and the maltreatment and murder of prisoners of war" (IMT, 1946, Vol. XXII, p.516, in: Höhne, 1969, p.3). The sentence continued by declaring that suspicion of crime was to be attached to all persons "who had been officially accepted as members of the SS...who came or remained members of the organization with knowledge that it was being used for the commission of acts declared criminal by Article 6 of the [London War Crimes] Charter" (IMT, 1947-1949, Vol. XXII, p.517 in: Höhne, 1969, p.3).
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Why are yall getting your panties in a buntch jsut cuz he has the SS symble in his name and aveater. Do yall get offended if ppl talk about bomber raids? US and Brit bombers killed more innocent ppl then the SS did so get over it.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Why are yall getting your panties in a buntch jsut cuz he has the SS symble in his name and aveater. Do yall get offended if ppl talk about bomber raids? US and Brit bombers killed more innocent ppl then the SS did so get over it.
Incredible.
Still; if the hood fits; wear it.
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I am going to close this thread as it really is not going to solve anything and is getting a bit out of hand.
The Nazi swatiska is not allowed to be displayed in Germany. It is illegal to do so. Thus my request for the removal of it. We have a large base of German players.
If you have a problem with that, then write whatever politician in Germany you want and complain about it. You are not going to get anywhere belaboring it on this bulletin board.
We require avatars to be in good taste. If this becomes too much of a problem for people to grasp, then we simply make the avatars go away. No fuss, no muss.
If you have a problem with anyone's avatar, email me about it. It is not appropriate to deal with this issue on the bulletin board. Thank you.