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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TrueKill on April 14, 2005, 11:12:15 PM
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Bodhi was just being a fool in the MA saying how can you loose your H stab w/o looseing your V stab and rudder. I rermember seeing a pic of a P47 with one of its H slabs gone I'm looking for it still. Does anyone have this or any other pic of H slab damage to show him how wrong he is.
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I think we need to have HALF of the vstab be destructable, and you have to lose the other half before you totally lose control. You see many war pictures of planes with most (if not all) of their rudder AND stabilizer shot off, and yet they still flew back home and landed. I remember seeing a B17 pic with ALL of the tail and stab gone, and just maybe a 2 feet long 4 feet tall leading edge left. The bomber landed.
As it is now, the INSTANT you lose one you're flopping around like a fish. I never liked that aspect of AH. Need more degrees of destruction. Heck! We've got 3 parts of the wing that can rip off, but only 1 part of the vstab!
EDIT: In AH (at least) you can lose H stabs and still have rudder and vstab. It happens a lot. Just this week I blew the Hstabs off a hurricane, and left the rest of it untouched.
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I believe he stated you can't lose your complete horiz stab and not lose your vert stab and rudder
and since the vert stab and rudder sit atop the horizontal stab, I'd say he is correct
was quite the show on 200 though :)
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No he's not correct. It depends on the plane, but many do NOT have it sitting directly on top of the H stab. Many have the H stab lower on the sides of the tail, not directly at the fuselage/vstab join line.
I know for a fact (this just happened to me this week) that you CAN lose full Hstabs and NOT lose vstab. I shot two of them off a hurc and he still had his Vstab. Also in the same night I blew away half a p51D, up to and including one full wing and both Hstabs (but not removing the vstab at all).
You CAN lose both tail fins and still have a tail. It's easy enough. Just shoot people in the bellybutton more :D
Stop all the damn HOs! :rofl
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I told him I'v seen a pic of a P47 with its right H stab gone and he something I sont rermember what it was but it was the same as calling me a lier.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
I told him I'v seen a pic of a P47 with its right H stab gone and he something I sont rermember what it was but it was the same as calling me a lier.
Did it have anything to do with your pants being on fire? ;)
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This help? 345th FS, 350th FG MTO bird.
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096487435_fwallen2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1096487410_fwallen1.jpg)
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there we go thats the one im talkign about TYVM Guppy <
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now someone tell me if one could come off like that why cant the other?
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Not sure what you are asking though TrueKill.
To repair that particular Jug they took off the Vertical Stab and replaced the entire horizonatal stab. There are photos out there of it under repair.
Note that the complete vertical Stab is off to replace the horizontal stab.
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1113548017_345th-aircraft-psd0146.jpg)
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Yes but when in combat if both your H stabs are shot off does that mean that your V stab and rudder have to come off?
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Yes but when in combat if both your H stabs are shot off does that mean that your V stab and rudder have to come off?
Don't know. I suppose if you took flak hits on each side that shattered both sides of the horizontal stab, the vertical stab wouldn't neccesarily come off, but it would also be kinda pointless as you are going down anyway :)
That Jug in the photos clearly took a hit on the one side from ground fire that blew off the one side. Control cables must have not been torn completely though if he had enough elevator with just the left stab to get down.
Dan/CorkyJr
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yeah..what you seemed to miss TrueKill, is that he said BOTH, whereas you just said 1/2, then the sillyness insued.
Bit of a communication break down there....
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OK, thinking about this. If you go back to the Jug photos. The Horizontal Stab is one piece. If ALL of that went, the vertical stab would be gone too as it sits on top of the horizontal stab. In the photos it only lost about 40 percent of the horizontal stab and it didn't lose the part the vertical stab is sitting on.
Dan/CorkyJr
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yes he said both but then i said i saw a pic with a P47 missin a H stab and he said i didnt. but what im saying if you can loose one and the Vstab doesnt come off then why would it come off when you loose both.
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Hey Guppy
You have any other good color close up pics of various damage? Higher quality the better.
:)
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This has been discussed before, though no official answer came out.
I've asked people around the boards about this very isse:
Why, do the planes in AH, always, lose both Hstabs, and never just one?
Upto this day, I've never, ever, had just one Hstab destroyed in the MA.
I've seen this happen, in offlline, while target practicing against the drones. A P-51D was flying around with only one Hstab intact.
But, when online, ever since I started AH with AH1 v1.05. I've never ever damaged or been damaged only one Hstab.
Weird, eh?
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i have when i was in a 110 had to go land cuz it was kinda hard to fly.
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yes it depends on the plane, but most planes would lose rudder if the entire horiz stab was shot away
I do not know what plane Bodhi was in but I do know he restores warbirds for a living
my money is on Bodhi - sry TK :)
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Good luck finding a picture of a real plane that has landed with both vertical stabs completely missing. :)
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I've got a video that shows how to assemble the P-47 in the field. The rudder assembly slides over the horizontal stab assembly and the are bolted together with what looks like 8 bolts (4 to the front and 4 to the rear). The whole assembly is then bolted to the tail section using a total of 14 bolts. 10 bolts toward the front portion of the assembly going through the horizontal stab structure into 2 seperate mounting brackets (5 bolts per side)and four to the rear of the assembly going through the rudder structure into the main fuselage itself.
How they are secured makes it highly possible for one section of the horizontal stab to be blown to pieces and still have the other section secured to the airframe.
Edit: With this configuration it is also highly possible that the rudder surface itself would stay intact also even if one side of the horizontal stab is shot off.
Eagler even though it's stupid to debate whether or not you can loose both horizontal stabs and not loose your rudder it really depends on how the surfaces are mounted to the main fuselage. In the case of the P-47 if you did lose both horizontal stabs the rudder would stay intact due to how it's mounted.