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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hubsonfire on April 15, 2005, 10:22:49 PM
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Okay, since we now have reporting options for both text and voice comms, can we please have some official (read that, from HTC, not you other mooks :p ) explanation of what does or does not constitute abuse of the comms? No assumptions, please, I'm looking for a straight-up cut and dried answer. I don't recall having seen or heard of a ToS for Aces High, and I personally think this would be a good time to nail it down.
Thanks,
hub
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Originally posted by hub
I'm looking for a straight-up cut and dried answer.
Um, how about "Act your age, not your IQ"?
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my guess would profanity and the like...
thats what started this whole "squelch range" controversy, people with children in the room, or children playing and hearing ****** ***** ***** **** ***** **** **** ***** ***** **** **** *** **** ****** ********* ** ** * ***** ***
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Again, I'm looking for an answer from HTC that we can all see for ourselves, not the various theories on it. I'm not phased by occasional profanity, but I can't stand the guys who spam range channel with pointless discussions, argue, etc. Just saying 'no profanity' wouldn't do it. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with profanity and racial slurs in their as well, but what are the specifics? Do we report the guys that sit on the ground in an m3 and b*tch? The guys who scream and yell about no 6 calls? Range spamming? (had a guy the other night keep range vox filled with a play by play of every hit he took, while in the middle of a fight. he simply would not shut up.) I consider that abuse. does htc? Each of the sides have those guys who will fill country text with some variation of "you guys suck, get organized and win the war", normally filled with insults and masked profanity. Is that abuse? If masked profanity is abuse, what about WTFG?
Also, does the report command log what has recently been said, or what is said following the .report entry?
While I appreciate that everyone has an opinion on this, and a few will offer it, I'd like to see something from the boss.
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Originally posted by JB73
my guess would profanity and the like...
thats what started this whole "squelch range" controversy, people with children in the room, or children playing and hearing ****** ***** ***** **** ***** **** **** ***** ***** **** **** *** **** ****** ********* ** ** * ***** ***
I think I decrypted your * message. Don't see why you encrypted ********* tho.
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I'd have to report my squadies..all day long , and especialy later in the evenin
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Okay, since we now have reporting options for both text and voice comms, can we please have some official (read that, from HTC, not you other mooks :p ) explanation of what does or does not constitute abuse of the comms? No assumptions, please, I'm looking for a straight-up cut and dried answer. I don't recall having seen or heard of a ToS for Aces High, and I personally think this would be a good time to nail it down.
Thanks,
hub
I'd say dream on because every unemployed, beer drinking, 21-24 year old momma's boy thinks its cool to sound tough behind the cloak of the net. Other than some squelching and voice privs lost if you actually type the words correctly, there is no policing of the MA and definately not the CT. There are lots of youngsters looking over daddy's shoulder so I agree with you.
On the other hand, ToS was AOHell crap that had us spend more time answering garbage that it was almost to the point of being valueless. Let AOHell keep their garbage. If the powers that be really wanted to do something they know what to do. They came from other games and know how it was handled so it's not like it can't be accomplished.
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Ren
The Damned
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Many people play this game for a release, so I understand when someone blows off some steam. I have definitely abused the vox and text on many occasions. I also think you have a good idea, Hub, to have HT "lay out the law" on this issue. The problem is that the community is as diverse as society. That being said, most of the abuses are as common as what I hear as a jr. high science teacher. I hear much worse at school from "children". It would be interesting if HT laid down a "cut and dry" set of regulations, because most would find a "general" set of rules to be unfair in their own situation. I can't help but be reminded of Howard Stern's situation. You can say "p___y" but you cant say "****". I have been warned maybe three times. Twice for language. Once I got squelched foir 10 minutes for saying "You HO'er", but I was meaning "You head on guy, you." I also got warned for calling names... i.e. "punk!" so Iwould find the task that you request a formidable challenge for anyone to accomplish "fairly".
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LMAO, as I just got censored for typing "Sh_t" :D
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I would suppose the only things that would be run down would be personal abuse and not the random bullsh*ting.
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If the powers that be really wanted to do something they know what to do. They came from other games and know how it was handled so it's not like it can't be accomplished.
I guess it went right over your head ...
The "powers that be" did do "something". They gave us a .command that will automatically report people abusing vox and text.
Hubs is simply asking HTC or HT to set some ground rules under which someone would need to be reported so he doesn't have to "dream on".
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I wonder how many radio comms i can get suspended by over-eager vox populi reports?
:aok
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Circumventing the ROC would be easy if those rules were posted.
As it is now, HT has great latitude in enforcing his rules as they now exist.
Best thing to do is to use common courtesy and behave as if you were in a public place, if you find that hard to do I think it's questionable whether you should be out in public at all. IMO
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Originally posted by MrLars
As it is now, HT has great latitude in enforcing his rules as they now exist.
That lattitude also makes whatever punishment that is meted out completely arbitrary.
What happens when one player is muted or kicked for profanity, while another one isn't?
If there are going to be punishments for abuse, then I think there should also be concrete rules for what *exactly* constitutes abuse, and what doesn't.
Best thing to do is to use common courtesy and behave as if you were in a public place
Always good advice. :)
Unfortunately "common" courtesy is one of the most *UN*common things in our society these days.
I favor the "if you don't want to hear it, don't listen" approach -- let players squelch the vox channels as a whole, in addition to being able to squelch individual players.
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I got your TOS right here.
Providing a detailed list of no nos, and a list of banned words will only result in some people pushing the edge and then using the excuse that what they did wasn't on the list.
Generally one should not use vulgarity or racial slurs. It's obvious most players know what they shouldn't say... this is evident with the abundant masking of words in AH and here. If you know enough to insert an asterisk or intentionally mis-spell a word, like "chit", you know you shouldn't use it. And generally people know what not to say to prevent getting punched in the nose in a bar full of black folks.
But there is also game disruption... things that have nothing to do with playing the game that irritate people and ruin their enjoyment. Spamming a channel is an example. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know not to do these things. If you don't know doing these things will piss HiTech off, you need to be thinned from the gene pool anyway.
HTC does provide a service to inform people when they cross the line. It's called a moderator warning. If you are told not to say or do something and you are stupid enough to continue doing it anyway, you've earned your time off and have no one to blame but yourself.
All a list of infractions will do is inform players just how far they can go before crossing the line. Those who choose to push the limits are throwing themselves upon the mercy of the moderators who are then forced to make a decision whether or not to allow it. This results in inconsistency, depending upon the moderator and how he/she feels at the time. This is when we hear crying about how some nasty moderator who picked on some poor boob who should have known better than to push the edge in the first place.
It is possible to go through a lifetime in this game without getting warned, many accomplish this. But those who choose to dance with the devil should not complain when they get burned. That's all the TOS you need to know.
Have a nice day...
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Ok, lets start with "poop" no saying "poop". "gosh dang it' is on the no no list. and "frazm lizl sho nops" is banned also! and one for the road, ummmm , lets go with "boobies" Dont say "boobies"
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We have issues with abuse now, or HT wouldn't have gone to the trouble of adding reporting. If its simple moderation of text as its done now (randomly and/or selectively), then the moderators would be doing this, and not the entire player base. If only HT knows what the RoC are, then how are we going to help him in enforcement? Simple answer there, we wouldn't be helping except in the most obvious of situations, which we don't even have since we all use courtesy and common sense, and already have moderators in place .
I'm asking HT in a format that all interested parties can view, so that enforcement can be facilitated and not become a personal grudge match, or involve them going through row upon row of comm reports trying to figure out who said something that ticked someone else off. I'd also suggest that it be included in a simple readme or MOTD so those who don't visit the boards can also see it. If we're all on exactly the same page regarding acceptable behavior, then there is no excuse for crossing the line, and enforcement and punishment becomes very straight forward.
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Originally posted by Grizzly
I got your TOS right here.
Providing a detailed list of no nos, and a list of banned words will only result in some people pushing the edge and then using the excuse that what they did wasn't on the list.
Generally one should not use vulgarity or racial slurs. It's obvious most players know what they shouldn't say... this is evident with the abundant masking of words in AH and here. If you know enough to insert an asterisk or intentionally mis-spell a word, like "chit", you know you shouldn't use it. And generally people know what not to say to prevent getting punched in the nose in a bar full of black folks.
But there is also game disruption... things that have nothing to do with playing the game that irritate people and ruin their enjoyment. Spamming a channel is an example. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know not to do these things. If you don't know doing these things will piss HiTech off, you need to be thinned from the gene pool anyway.
HTC does provide a service to inform people when they cross the line. It's called a moderator warning. If you are told not to say or do something and you are stupid enough to continue doing it anyway, you've earned your time off and have no one to blame but yourself.
All a list of infractions will do is inform players just how far they can go before crossing the line. Those who choose to push the limits are throwing themselves upon the mercy of the moderators who are then forced to make a decision whether or not to allow it. This results in inconsistency, depending upon the moderator and how he/she feels at the time. This is when we hear crying about how some nasty moderator who picked on some poor boob who should have known better than to push the edge in the first place.
It is possible to go through a lifetime in this game without getting warned, many accomplish this. But those who choose to dance with the devil should not complain when they get burned. That's all the TOS you need to know.
Have a nice day...
CLAP! CLAP ! :aok
How eloquent and true. Unfortunately it will most likely go straight over the heads of the ones that need to read it and understand it the most.
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Originally posted by tactic
Ok, lets start with "poop" no saying "poop". "gosh dang it' is on the no no list. and "frazm lizl sho nops" is banned also! and one for the road, ummmm , lets go with "boobies" Dont say "boobies"
As long as you can say "nopoop" it's fine by me. ;)
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Originally posted by Grizzly
I got your TOS right here.
Providing a detailed list of no nos, and a list of banned words will only result in some people pushing the edge and then using the excuse that what they did wasn't on the list.
Yet not providing such a list, leaves each player to their own discretion about what to say.
Personally, I'm all for that.
The problem arises when a particular word, or phrase, or off-topic discussion on the text or vox channels that is not offensive to me, *is* offensive to someone else.
We're each offended by different things. I, for example, find euphamisms much more offensive than the actual swear words that they are substituted for. I figure, if you're gonna cuss, do it right.
Other people disagree. They're perfectly happy to say and hear "fudge" or "fetch" in place of the 'real F word'.
So, which is it? Can we cuss on the channels, or will it get us banned? How about "fudging" or "fetching" or "farking"? Will that get us banned?
How about having a discussion about hockey or boxing, that involves no swearing at all?
How about my texting to a friend, and calling him "*****"? Is that a racial slur, even if that's how we address each other face to face? It's not offensive to me, or to him, but it may offend someone else.
Do I have to dumb-down all my thoughts and language (which two are inseperable -- you can't have one without the other) to the level of a four year old in order to play AH?
Who decides?
Now *that* is the easy one. HiTech decides. It's his game, they're his servers, therefore it's his choice. That is, of course, moderated by the fact that we pay him for the use thereof, which obligates him to defer to our wishes, to a certain extent.
However, if we can't know going in what is acceptable and what isn't, then we don't know we've crossed the line until *after* we get our fingers whacked with the ruler.
That's unfair to everybody, no matter what it is you are or are not offended by.
We can't rely on the "common sense" of the players, or on some vague "community standard" or "what you would say in public" approach either, because what's acceptable on the streets or in a cafe in New York might curdle the blood of the visitors to a bagel shop in Provo, Utah.
I agree that if there is a specific set of guidelines, e.g. words you get muted for saying, then some people will push the limits, and point at the guidelines saying "but I didn't say a banned word".
... but that's exactly what we had before, only now there's a punishment involved, and nobody knows just exactly what will earn them that punishment, and what won't. You say something that is acceptable to you, but offends someone else, and you get zapped. How can you be sure that everybody else who did exactly the same thing you did also got zapped? How would you feel if you were the only person who got zapped for doing what you did, and nobody else who did exactly the same thing got zapped like you did -- something that is perfectly reasonable and acceptable *TO YOU*?
It's obvious most players know what they shouldn't say...
Ah,yes, the old "it's obvious" argument.
I once had a professor of mathematics who was chalking up some equations on the board, and making derivations. At one point, he said "so it's obvious that blahblahblahundecipherablemat hgobbledygook".
A student told him that it was not obvious to him, and could he please go through the derivation.
It took him three blackboards and four sheets of paper to show how "obvious" his declaration was.
At this point I would point out that mathematical proofs are significantly more concrete and logically proveable that interpersonal communications or relationships.
And generally people know what not to say to prevent getting punched in the nose in a bar full of black folks.
Oh, so only black folks are violent and quick to anger?
That sentence could be very easily taken out of context (just like much of what appears on the text channels in AH) and twisted by a beligerent or easily offended mind into proof that you, sir, are an unrepentant racist, and could you please be permanently banned from the game.
All a list of infractions will do is inform players just how far they can go before crossing the line. Those who choose to push the limits are throwing themselves upon the mercy of the moderators who are then forced to make a decision whether or not to allow it. This results in inconsistency, depending upon the moderator and how he/she feels at the time. This is when we hear crying about how some nasty moderator who picked on some poor boob who should have known better than to push the edge in the first place.
You expect consistency from a user-based reporting system?
How do you know what will offend the people who happen to be directly around you at the moment, and what will cause them to report you? How about the people you were around 5 minutes ago? Or the people you will be around 5 minutes from now? How can you possibly know what you will be reported for, or when, if there are no guidelines about what can/should be reported?
It is possible to go through a lifetime in this game without getting warned, many accomplish this. But those who choose to dance with the devil should not complain when they get burned. That's all the TOS you need to know.
Have a nice day...
Benjamin Franklin once said "If all Printers were determin'd not to print any thing till they were sure it would offend no body, there would be very little printed."
I still think the best moderation is at the user endpoint. That way, everybody can choose for themselves what's acceptable to them personally, or not. Don't like what's being said on the country channel? Don't tune the country channel. Don't like what's being said on channel 200? Don't tune channel 200. Don't like what's coming over the Range VOX? It sure would be nice to be able to *not* tune the Range VOX ...
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Amen
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Originally posted by Demman
Yet not providing such a list, leaves each player to their own discretion about what to say.
Personally, I'm all for that.
The problem arises when a particular word, or phrase, or off-topic discussion on the text or vox channels that is not offensive to me, *is* offensive to someone else.
You think having a list will eliminate the need for discretion? That's where you fail to comprehend... a list can't cover it all. Too much depends upon context and circumstance. You infer a player's discretion is a bad thing. Quite the contrary, the use of discretion is what's needed.
Offensive? Do you think it matters a bit if someone gets offended? You can twist what I said into some contorted racial slur. You can do a lot of things to confuse a simple concept, but it don't make it so.
It's simple. Don't say f*ck or sh*t and things like that. Obvious? I hope so. Don't call someone a n*gger or K*ke. Confusing? I hope not. If you have to wonder about saying something not quite so obvious, don't say it. Simple? I think so.
If HTC gets a complaint like, "so and so called me a poopy head". Do you think they're going to ban the person? Of course not, they'll check the logs and see what was said. Yes it's a lot of work, but what is HiTech to do when so many jerks can't behave? I wouldn't be surprised if someone sending in false complaints got his wings clipped.
It's as simple as it needs to be and as complicated as HiTech wants to be. If you have doubts, obstain. If you are warned, stop. If you don't, byebye. See... simple.
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No one should expect HT to come up with a set of rules for this issue.
Common sense and courtesy rule.
The culture we live in defines common sense and courtesy, not HT.
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Its simple.
ToS of TexMurphy.
Respect your fellow players and its the content of what you say not what words you say it with that makes you a jackarse or a nice guy...
It really is that simple.
Tex
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simple...
keep it clean and game related...
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My own feeling on this is how I think people should handle it more then myself.
I myself will probably never report anyone. Simply not that much I've heard bothers me. And there was only one occasion I was tempted and thats when someone was laying some crap on a woman.
But for most folks I would say its going to depend on your level of tolerance. But I would suggest to use at least some restraint yourself before reporting.
I dont think the occasional slip of a cuss is something you would want to report.
Tensions and emotions can run high here so to expect to never hear anything is an unrealistic expectation.
In that case a "hey dude can you chill it a bit with the cussing" is more then sufficiant and I've found most people will usually apologise for it
Now that doesnt mean people have permission to sometimes cuss, they dont. But to actually expect everyone to always have the self restraint to not slip one out now and again is just unrealistic. It aint gonna happen.
And somehow while I think HTC would like to see a cut down on the abuse I dont think HTC wants everyone to turn into tattletales reporting every little infraction either.
On the other hand if its repeated over and over or with some guys who go on and on spewing line after line of profanity with what usually sounds like atempertantrum cause something didnt go his way. And wont stop
Well then its your call and up to your level of tolerance.
If it becomes too much for you then report it.
If it doesnt bother you, then dont.
Just use some common sence and a tiny bit of understanding when deciding.
And if you live in a glass house yourself. Maybe you shouldnt throw stones
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Okay, listen, I'm not looking for any of your inputs on how I should act.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF GUIDELINES SO I CAN KNOW WHAT I'M ALLOWED/ENCOURAGED TO REPORT, AND WHAT I'M NOT, SO THAT I DON'T SUDDENLY GET MY COMM PRIVILEGES WIPED FOR REPORTING SOME OF THE BS I FIND TO BE AN ABUSE OF COMMS OR JUST SIMPLY OFFENSIVE.
Are any of you armchair philosophers citing the evils of a definitive set of rules regarding text/voice communications able to wrap your lil heads around what I'm asking here? In case you're not, here are some of my favorites that never got muted/banned.
Seano: dirty wetbacls everywhere you ;ook (sic)
ruaml: any 1 know why black women wear high heels? so hey don't knuckles on ground. hey, it was clean
xzzx: i got blacks all up in my friendship, but the jews must die
megatron: i'm nazi. my grandfamily all nazi
fatty05: cuz he rides the short bus with his friend skycock
fatty05: get yer toung out yer moms *** and fight
[then, following the retort "mom killed in car accident in oct"
fatty05:
While I'd consider all of this offensive or an abuse of comms, apparently no one else did. So before I get my privs revoked for reporting this trash, I want to know where my boundaries for reporting are, I already know how to act.
Thanks so much
hub
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I think the main abuse they are looking to curtail is the blatent use of profanity.
I didnt see anything there that anyone should or would have reason to get their panties in a bunch over.
Now if they had said "You stupid (#&*$*(#) why didnt you check my mother )#*%(%# six. You )($*$!!
that would be another matter and entirely a reportable offence.
Cant go around banning or punishing everything someone might be offended by.
Just about anything could offend someone
but thats just my opinion
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How about getting the guys that complain AND swear in the same sentence. Especially when it's the same guys, over and over, day after day.
Vox: "That's just ****ing Bull***! whine, whine, whine, complain, complain, complain, ad infitum.
The constant B****ing bugs me more than the swearing though that can get carried away also.
Would I report stuff I hear on Squad vs. somebody I don't like on Range? Even though it is the exact same stuff?
I can see this getting out of hand and used vindictively.
That being said, I do agree that some people don't know when to STFU and do need their XXXX knocked into the dirt. But on the other side of the coin I don't want to see any goodie two shoes (where ever did that phrase come from) roam around trying to bust everybodys chops. Especially if they say "It's for the good of the children." A way overused phrase used to push an agenda.
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Especially if they say "It's for the good of the children." A way overused phrase used to push an agenda.
I use that phrase all the time (well, something similar). How am I pushing an agenda? I have 2 young girls in my home, 10 yrs and 19 months. There are things they just dont need to hear.
hub, I dont think HTC is going to post any guidelines in public for reasons stated above by others. Your best bet is probably to email them with your concerns and discuss it with them privately.
I think many are blowing this whole issue way out of proportion.
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Act like you're hangin with your Grandmother and you should be ok.
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Originally posted by aztec
Act like you're hangin with your Grandmother and you should be ok.
Alot of truth there :)
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I was a moderator on Air Warrior. The goal was to make an environment where kids could play without excessive exposure to vulgarity and obscenity (sp?).
That said, different folks have different standards. The best attempts were made to enforce a norm that was comfortable to the game providers and most players.
You can't stop adults from behaving like children. The occasional bad word when you get shot down isn't the issue, it's the on-going vulgarity that should be controlled.
Honestly, no one posting here is ignorant of what is appropriate with children present.
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Originally posted by aztec
Act like you're hangin with your Grandmother and you should be ok.
Heh. You don't know my grandmother. A pre-World War 1 Berlin street urchin, that gal had a vocabulary that could make a Marine drill sergant blush.
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Originally posted by Demman
Heh. You don't know my grandmother. A pre-World War 1 Berlin street urchin, that gal had a vocabulary that could make a Marine drill sergant blush.
and if your grandmas like that, your best friends grandma...
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Originally posted by DeacBlue
Um, how about "Act your age, not your IQ"?
Suppose for a second that my age is 25, and my IQ is 180. I think I would rather behave to the maturity level of the 180 rather than the 25. :D
I really don't have any comments besides that. I'm gonna go hang with Elfie's grandma now
:p
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Again, I'm looking for an answer from HTC that we can all see for ourselves, not the various theories on it. I'm not phased by occasional profanity, but I can't stand the guys who spam range channel with pointless discussions, argue, etc. Just saying 'no profanity' wouldn't do it. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with profanity and racial slurs in their as well, but what are the specifics? Do we report the guys that sit on the ground in an m3 and b*tch? The guys who scream and yell about no 6 calls? Range spamming? (had a guy the other night keep range vox filled with a play by play of every hit he took, while in the middle of a fight. he simply would not shut up.) I consider that abuse. does htc? Each of the sides have those guys who will fill country text with some variation of "you guys suck, get organized and win the war", normally filled with insults and masked profanity. Is that abuse? If masked profanity is abuse, what about WTFG?
Also, does the report command log what has recently been said, or what is said following the .report entry?
While I appreciate that everyone has an opinion on this, and a few will offer it, I'd like to see something from the boss.
RE: Bold type above.
I'm sick and tired of this crap as well. I find this worse than the occasional cussing.
Karaya
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Okay, listen, I'm not looking for any of your inputs on how I should act.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF GUIDELINES SO I CAN KNOW WHAT I'M ALLOWED/ENCOURAGED TO REPORT, AND WHAT I'M NOT, SO THAT I DON'T SUDDENLY GET MY COMM PRIVILEGES WIPED FOR REPORTING SOME OF THE BS I FIND TO BE AN ABUSE OF COMMS OR JUST SIMPLY OFFENSIVE.
Are any of you armchair philosophers citing the evils of a definitive set of rules regarding text/voice communications able to wrap your lil heads around what I'm asking here?
Fair enough. But I'm not philosophizing, I speak from experience. I was a moderator in Air Warrior for several years and a large part of hat was served in charge of TOS violations. I warned players when they violated the rules, gave them a temporary ban when warrented, and recommended them for permanent ban when needed. Part of my duties were to read the complaints (they had a system like HTC is starting) and review the logs to see what actually transpired.
I seldom had to action a player for misuse of the complaint system. Usually a simple form letter informing them of misuse did the job.
I suggest you only concern yourself with major violations, but first nicely ask the player to stop. If he's beligerant and keeps it up, send a complaint. One other suggestion, often players get angry when they get trodded on and go off the handle. It happens to me. Try cooling them down and use some humor to defuse them. Maybe get them to log for a few minutes to chill out. But ifthey only gets more irritated and keeps yelling, use your judgement on making a complaint. I prefer to only go after those who are intentionally causing trouble.
Doing these things will make it easier on HiTech so he will have more time to coad, and you won't have to worry about misuse of the complaint system.
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yah, what Grizzly said.
I think the point is to find offenders and not define the limits of verbal abuse accepted by a given society.
(call me an armchair philosepher and I'm comin down there to beat the crap outta you).
Ya see , my pals would laugh at that, an uptight stranger would report me. So where's the line?
Forget it, I doubt HT is gunna attempt to put in 'writing' guidlines that the FCC has been trying to do for twenty years now. Your dreaming. I have an idea, show me the same list you want here, that is written for television? You won't find one, and there's a heck of a lot more people involved in viewing, writing for and governing T.V.
I think it's just a reporting service to save people from taking a screenshot and emailing HT.
I think your list will be short, kinda like this...
Rule 1: Show up on the abuse list too many times and you're out.
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Originally posted by aztec
Act like you're hangin with your Grandmother and you should be ok.
Might not wanna use that example. I know quite a few grandmothers whos language could make a good deal of people here blush LOL
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OK, act like you're hangin with someone you like and respect. Is a tough one for a lot of people here but honestly it's already been said folks. If you have to ask how to comport yourself in public venues then this new feature was surely implemented for you.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Okay, listen, I'm not looking for any of your inputs on how I should act.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF GUIDELINES SO I CAN KNOW WHAT I'M ALLOWED/ENCOURAGED TO REPORT, AND WHAT I'M NOT, SO THAT I DON'T SUDDENLY GET MY COMM PRIVILEGES WIPED FOR REPORTING SOME OF THE BS I FIND TO BE AN ABUSE OF COMMS OR JUST SIMPLY OFFENSIVE.
hub
OK, take a deep breath Hubs. I seriously doubt you will lose your comm privs for reporting someone who you feel is being abusive/offensive. Do you think HTC implemeted this to whack those who complain about offensive behavior?
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My approach to communicating on this game is to be respectful of others, civil when having differences with other people, and keeping in mind that my kids as well as other parents kids are watching and/or playing. You never know.
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Everyone seem to miss the simplicity of the .report, It does not need a set of rules, that is automatic because the rules are what the communtiy chooses to report. I.E. you don't like what some one is saying , feel free to report them. Nothing is going to happen with just 1 report.
HiTech
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vox populi....
i trust there's a counter-weight in place.
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So what we have here is akin to a "true" Democracy, AKA "Mob Rule"?
In that case I say we all report Shane for being shane:D...
Counter weight? We don't need no stinkin' counterweights!
Magoo
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Originally posted by Magoo
So what we have here is akin to a "true" Democracy, AKA "Mob Rule"?
In that case I say we all report Shane for being shane:D...
Counter weight? We don't need no stinkin' counterweights!
Magoo
Done and done, and I mean done.
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I really don't have any comments besides that. I'm gonna go hang with Elfie's grandma now
You might want to rethink that Howi hehe. My grandma would make sure you kept your ducks in line, and if you didnt, one sentence and a look that could wake the dead would make you feel 1 inch tall and want to go crawl under a rock. She is brutal :lol
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Originally posted by Elfie
You might want to rethink that Howi hehe. My grandma would make sure you kept your ducks in line, and if you didnt, one sentence and a look that could wake the dead would make you feel 1 inch tall and want to go crawl under a rock. She is brutal :lol
so that's who aunt bee is!!!
:eek:
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Originally posted by Shane
so that's who aunt bee is!!!
:eek:
Sorry, my grandma doesnt own a computer :)
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ASK GEOGE CARLIN
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Fair enough. But I'm not philosophizing, I speak from experience. I was a moderator in Air Warrior for several years and a large part of hat was served in charge of TOS violations.
I worked the arenas also. Difference is that we were a VISIBLE presence and were not hiding. We had our rules to follow with a strong support base.
Being visible and supported is the key.
HTC doesnt follow that principal.
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Same here, Silat.
Live reps made a difference in the arenas before AOL. They were chosen carefully. Their word was law. If you didn't like it, leave. If you let fly with a bunch of verbal abuse you were forcefully removed. Live reps doing TOS in AOL was a royal pain.
It was simple in those days and everyone still had fun. Those that wanted to fly didn't participate in petty abuse. Those that did weren't around much.
It didn't take any rocket scientists to learn right away what was acceptable and what wasn't and as the small print suggested, they had the right to refuse service to anyone as required. :)
I remember some dude screaming verbal abuse at someone and "BOOT" he was gone. He came back an hour later and began again. Before he could get two words out "BOOT", gone. He tried once more "BOOT". The next time he showed he was like the rest of the community players. The guy turned out to be a pretty good dude once he learned the error of his ways.
Simple, direct, quick, gets an instant response and fixes it. No animosity. Just a direct response to the abuse. No grudges held by the guy doing the booting. We weren't there to pick on anyone. Just enforce the rules.
Not like the TOS system in AOL. That was a joke.
AOL went off the deep end. But thats another story.
HTC runs things his way. Not much new there. Not much to complain about for those with a good dispostiion. Other than complaining about the abusers and he has a reporting function in place now.
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Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by Grizzly
I got your TOS right here.
HTC does provide a service to inform people when they cross the line. It's called a moderator warning. If you are told not to say or do something and you are stupid enough to continue doing it anyway, you've earned your time off and have no one to blame but yourself.
I think you missed hubsonfire's point. hubsonfire is right, HCT needs to step up. I had no idea that there was something called a moderator in the game. Is that information in the game rules or instructions or the online help?
Shane also made an interesting point, if as Shane indicated, he spent several hours reporting people what happens to them?
What exactly does happen when the .report process is used?
one last thing, hubsonfire, this may not be the thread in which to post your questions to HTC. Not sure whice one is.
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Originally posted by Silat
I worked the arenas also. Difference is that we were a VISIBLE presence and were not hiding. We had our rules to follow with a strong support base.
Being visible and supported is the key.
HTC doesnt follow that principal.
Yes, I agree Silat, but that's not HiTech's policy. In AW the monitors also provided player assistance, which was actually their major task. That necessitated being readily identifyable and available to the players. For a while there we weren't even allowed to play while on duty. It was a much more formal process and the monitors provided a service. But it also required a lot of management.
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Originally posted by Traveler
I think you missed hubsonfire's point. hubsonfire is right, HCT needs to step up. I had no idea that there was something called a moderator in the game. Is that information in the game rules or instructions or the online help?
Shane also made an interesting point, if as Shane indicated, he spent several hours reporting people what happens to them?
What exactly does happen when the .report process is used?
one last thing, hubsonfire, this may not be the thread in which to post your questions to HTC. Not sure whice one is.
I think my point was that the players don't have to know there are moderators or have a list of naughty words. All they need is to use good judgement. But if they need to know they crossed the line, the moderators will inform them.
From experience, what happens to players with complaints is not public information. (How would you like it if you got in trouble and found your name plastered on the boards?) All the players need to know is that HTC is the place to go if you have a TOS question or complaint, not the BBs.
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"I worked the arenas also.
Spoken like a true tart! ;)
FWIW. In the past when my patience was exhausted with some ill mannered online muh_roon I've briskly shoved the joytick aside, picked up my English "Bobby" whistle and blew it at the arena pissant till my face turned purple.
Pissed my wife off for waking the kids that's for sure but believe me her anger was nothing compared to how ripping mad I got when I found I was being ignored by the online tard.
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Yes, I agree Silat, but that's not HiTech's policy. In AW the monitors also provided player assistance, which was actually their major task. That necessitated being readily identifyable and available to the players. For a while there we weren't even allowed to play while on duty. It was a much more formal process and the monitors provided a service. But it also required a lot of management.
It was a buncha garbage dreamed up by corporate empty suits.
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
It was a buncha garbage dreamed up by corporate empty suits.
Ren
Perhaps so. The point is it was their decision to make, not yours.
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Originally posted by Westy
"I worked the arenas also.
Spoken like a true tart! ;)
WESTY!!!!! =oD
It's been a long time bud, how you doing?
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Originally posted by Westy
"I worked the arenas also.
Spoken like a true tart! ;)
But you really really liked me:)
:D