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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: artik on April 18, 2005, 09:11:44 AM
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Interesting question:
How many of you would use Linux if you know it does all job you need?
From what I can see today Linux is not less user friendly then Windows (and I'd said even more).
For someone who dosn't have experience with computers working with linux not harder then with Windows - thanks to good GUI.
Today there are:
- Great Desktop KDE (significantly better then MS one)
- OpenOffice that allows you to create/read documents, presentatios that is allmost compartable with MS one.
- Good mail programs (better then Outlook).
- Good support for multimedia - with good audio players similar to WinAmp and other movie players that playes all vido formats well.
- All things you need are done using GUI.
Form what I can see Linux had significantly changed and can be fully used for home desktop purposes with some restrictions - no AH and lots of other games.
Actually some my friends after they see how it works are trying to move to Linux so........
What if you know that you shouldn't pay Bill for Windows, MS Office, buy antivirus/spyware. But use linux.
Of course you would need to learn something as you did this when you had seen Win98/95/3.1 first time.
Just thoughts...
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AutoDesk is releasing stuff for Linux now so it's just games keeping me in Windows. I guess if consoles take a couple of steps forward I could see myself not needing a Windows box for games. Then I would consider Linux.
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Already using a dual boot system: Window$ for games and Linux for everything else.
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I have no problem using linux. Games are the only real reason for me to stick with windows.
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Have not been closely following the Linux scene too closely recently but use MS for compatibility familiarity reasons. Whats the best flavor of Linux these days for desktop? for Servers?
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Do you have to wear the geeky striped button down shirt and pocket protector?
do they make you put that linuxgroovin sticker on your car?
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I thought Linux was a Charllie Brown's mate!:confused:
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At my old computer - it can't run AH I use Linux only.
It is really-really good system.
The computer that able to run AH is computer for work that I have to use Win there
Whats the best flavor of Linux these days for desktop? for Servers?
Anything you like.
I've used Fedora Core 3 for two-three month then moved to Debian Sarge 3.1 - it works better on my old Pentium II 350MHz PC.
Finally all are good.
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I've been using Linux since 95 or so, I manage about 20 different Linux servers for various services right now. I'm the "Linux guy" among a big bunch of local programmers and sys admins.
But somehow I've never been able to get anything done in gnome, kde or whatever, so my own PC runs XP, but I tend to have just a big bunch of ssh sessions into my servers.
Of course I could do that from Linux itself, but there's something wrong there... maybe the ugly default fonts, the still sometimes flaky vid card support, the cut&paste weirdness among different toolkit applications. I'm just slower using Linux/UNIX GUIs.
Theres a guy here that uses a Sun workstation instead of a PC, and every time I try to get something done there, hilarity ensues...
And on my home PC I mostly play games... so....
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Still on MS because of games as well.
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Originally posted by artik
How many of you would use Linux if you know it does all job you need?
it doesn't play AH, so it can't do all i need.
other than that, im not going to maintain and run 2 PC's in my house just to play AH.
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Games are pretty much the only reason for me too.
Plus a handful of amateurish softwares which I need in couple of things, but those could be related to the games.
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Originally posted by JB73
it doesn't play AH, so it can't do all i need.
other than that, im not going to maintain and run 2 PC's in my house just to play AH.
dual boot is the answer, silly!
Surfing the net and sending/receiving mails are enough to justify a Linux installation. Firefox, Thunderbird and AVG run nice on Gnome or KDE GUI.
With distributions like MEPIS or Knoppix (based upon Debian) that you can download for free, installation is as easy as Windows XP (graphical with wizards and all the bells and whistles...). It will even install the dual boot menu for you.
As long as you have a free partition (2 is better as there is no swap file in linux but a swap partition instead) you're ready to go.
Or you can do it like a man and dive into the command line wonders....so much more powerful than Windows. A bit of reading beforehand is necessary tho.
Then you'll quickly fall victim to the HUGE offer of free and/or open-source software available.
Then you're a Linux geek before you even realize it.
Linux Powah!
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First time I've tryed Linux it was very old system...
But what I was interested in was learning some programming... And I had it - powerfull compilers, libraries - anything you need. When I had problem getting same 32bit tools for Win95 for system that will not crash in experiments...
Yes that was long time ago... then I've stopped using Linux because of some other issues...
Few moth ago I've seen how Linux works in university labs....... I was really impressed - it was user friendly powerfull operation system... Then I installed it at home - since I couldn't run AH2 on that computer nothing prevent from me to erace Windows completly.
It just works - works fine. KDE has so powerfull and configurable GUI that you can suit it for any needs - configure it like I like and not MS. Finally I could see normally Power Points presentations, and read DOCs at home (I had not MS Office installed because it is not cheap )... I managed to run TargetWare sim for linux that wasn't able to run on same PC with XP!!!!!
I have one disk space instead of C:, D:, E: disks and manipulating where should I put music, where programs.... Two sparate disks where joined in one file system.
It really works good now...
It worth to try some kind of LiveCD distribution to see how it works - without any installation, and any risk.
I don't need Windows any more....... ok accept for AH2.
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I used Red Hat's linux 6.1 a few years ago, it wasn't to bad but it still wasn't as good as windows xp at the time... It reminded me more of windows 3.1... plus it was a little flaky at times which was suprising to me since I thought linux was suppose to be much more stable operating system..
Also installing on a PC was much more difficult then installing a windows operating system. There was one situation where you had to pick monitor settings.. I picked the wrong one after that I had to reinstall the whole operating system again... This may have improved over the last few years but I haven't checked out any of the new releases lately. Overall, I found that it wasn't worth the trouble..
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Already been using it for years. Only wish it had DirectX support and I would finally get to bin microsoft for good.
...-Gixer
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Back in the early '90s my desktop system was a NeXT Station Turbo Color.
I've never been more impressed. Best e-mail client I've used to date. Best spreadsheet program, best word processor, etc. Best GUI - drag and drop anything anywhere. Best programming environment. Even modern Linux and OS X aren't as impressive. (Though OS X is close - in it's heart it is NextStep).
I gave it up after about 9 months.
I don't always agree when the market speaks, but I'm too old to suffer the brain damage of trying to be "right".
It was actually different back when Windows was truly a markedly inferrior OS and interface. Nowadays, Windows suites me just fine.
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Originally posted by soda72
I used Red Hat's linux 6.1 a few years ago
RH 6.1 is really old system. Even RH 7 is very old now.
If you try Fedora Core 3 (like RH 12) or Debian Sarge 3.1 or Knoppix you will see that it is really easy to install.
The installation process of FC3 (and I installed it number of times) is easier then Windows and also it is much faster.
For example after installing Basic Debian I allready get two desktops KDE+Gnome and OpenOffice, Mail clients, ICQ/MSN/Yahoo messengers, Gimp (Program similar to Photoshop) and lots of other usefull stuff. Simple basic isntallation gives you system that is ready to work. The interactive system describes itself very well.
Only addons I had to do were Java, Flash, codacs - these are very simple things to add.
How do you install windows?
1. WIndows rebood 2-3 times 40-50min
2. Antivirus reboot.
3. Office reboot,
Lots of other things that you miss and need to tune. Tuning windows takes quite long time.
Believe me today installation of linux not harder then of windows - and even sometimes easier.
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I would like to install linux on my 866mhz Thinkpad.
Any suggestions on what free distro I should DL? Are any of the distros better than others when it comes to wifi?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I would like to install linux on my 866mhz Thinkpad.
Any suggestions on what free distro I should DL? Are any of the distros better than others when it comes to wifi?
There are lots:
I've used 3 distros:
[list=1]
- Fedora Core 3 (http://fedora.redhat.com/) very easy for first installation with nice graphics but requires more tunnning afterwards (in multimedia). There good support forums for begginers and good FAQ that will allow you do all you need - used it for 3 moth moved to... next
- Debian Sarge 3.1 (http://www.debian.org/) - more professional system. The installation itself dosn't has nice GUI but still stright forward. Allmost all works out-of-box. Has great software management system - best in all linux distros that allows you to add any software you need using simple strightforward GUI. I use it now - very good system. The distro is build very professionally.
- Knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/) - Debian based LiveCD linux. It dosn't requires installation. You can run it directly form bootable CD. If you like it you may run HD install and then it becomes Debian system. It dosn't requires to do anything to run first time. Works very well. It is good to see what linux is and then to isntall ready system.
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Since we are on the subject here.........
I picked up an old Sun Sparkstation2 server (free) with an external SCSI hard drive. My buddy is a Unix sysadmin and tells me there is one flavor of Linux that will run on this box, but doesnt know which. I have tried searching and cannot find one, I even asked at Slashdot and got nothing. I want to set up the old server basically just as a router to stand between my home network and the internet. I've done this with a PC before, but never with anything like this. Any suggestions?
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After working several years over unix systems (HP-UX, Solaris, Tru64) I simply HATE anything that smells to unix. 3 years ago I installed Linux in one old PC, didnt see anything that windows does not do better.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Since we are on the subject here.........
I picked up an old Sun Sparkstation2 server (free) with an external SCSI hard drive. My buddy is a Unix sysadmin and tells me there is one flavor of Linux that will run on this box, but doesnt know which. I have tried searching and cannot find one, I even asked at Slashdot and got nothing. I want to set up the old server basically just as a router to stand between my home network and the internet. I've done this with a PC before, but never with anything like this. Any suggestions?
It could be Yellowdog
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/
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Thanks Nilsen. I had remembered Yellowdog to be a sort of Mac/Linux hybrid OS, and I didnt find what I wanted on their website. It did, however, send me to the right place (Obsolyte.com). Apparently Red Hat makes an OS especially for Sparcs. My system was even upgraded, which means I'm running something equivalent to a high end 486.
Here's their writeup on it here, looks pretty complete.
http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ss2/
Looks like its time to break out the books again. I love messing with these things.
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Ah ok, sorry then :)
i knew yellowdog was used om macs, but i thought it was for your system too. Nice that you fund what you were looking for anyway.
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How does the Duel Boot system work:
For ex. I have 2 HDs on partitioned in half with XP on C and various other Junk on my E Drive. My D drive is an 80gig that's mostly filled.
Does it give me an option at start up wich OS to boot?
Are there any significant disadvantages to using a duel OS on a system?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
How does the Duel Boot system work:
For ex. I have 2 HDs on partitioned in half with XP on C and various other Junk on my E Drive. My D drive is an 80gig that's mostly filled.
Does it give me an option at start up wich OS to boot?
Are there any significant disadvantages to using a duel OS on a system?
You need one partition (read disk in Windows) to be rebuild for linux usage - pic up anyone you can remove...
Linux installation systems usually recognise the present OS and gives you boot menu with default choose of one of systems Linux/Windows. Today the installers I've used (both for Debian and Fedora) had recognized Windows and bring up start menu where you can picup the OS you want.
Disadvantages.... I've used Dual boot systems (even triple boot Win98/XP/Linux) for years... No problems. Even there is an advantage - if one system crashes you can recover using the second one.
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Kewl I might try this. I know Americas Army has a linux version. I'm assuming that linux isn't a rescource hog like XP is
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Originally posted by artik
There are lots:
I've used 3 distros:
[list=1]
- Fedora Core 3 (http://fedora.redhat.com/) very easy for first installation with nice graphics but requires more tunnning afterwards (in multimedia). There good support forums for begginers and good FAQ that will allow you do all you need - used it for 3 moth moved to... next
- Debian Sarge 3.1 (http://www.debian.org/) - more professional system. The installation itself dosn't has nice GUI but still stright forward. Allmost all works out-of-box. Has great software management system - best in all linux distros that allows you to add any software you need using simple strightforward GUI. I use it now - very good system. The distro is build very professionally.
- Knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/) - Debian based LiveCD linux. It dosn't requires installation. You can run it directly form bootable CD. If you like it you may run HD install and then it becomes Debian system. It dosn't requires to do anything to run first time. Works very well. It is good to see what linux is and then to isntall ready system.
Try Ubuntu linux too. There is a Instal CD and Live CD version available.
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
Info about different distros
http://distrowatch.com/
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Im learning linux at the moment abd I can say its not so easy as xp but has imrpoved ALOT since I first tried it. Running SuSe prof and its pretty neat. blip blip what the hell did I just do?
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Nilsen if your Wi-Fi card is based on a Texas Instruments ACX100 chipset, I highly recommend you to use the MEPIS distro (http://www.mepis.org) because it is the only one I know of that has the drivers included.
I was able to set up my WiFi card under Debian Sarge thanks to very detailed HOWTO, but it took me 3 evenings and a lot of work (you need a second computer with internet access and a USB memory stick at least).
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Things that Linux does better than Window$ (IMO):
- all networking stuff: far safer and stabler than Windows. Complete firewall, HTTP server, mail server, Database server, printing services, you-name-it-server functionalities....for free. Compatible with Windows networks thanks to Samba (you can easily access windows shares or mount shares on a Linux box that Windows machines can access.)
- applications and disk management
- less prone to viruses, excellent free antivirus softwares availables
- free but professional software like OpenOffice (see above), The Gimp (~Photoshop), GPG (Gnu Privacy Guard = free PGP, fully compatible with each other), media players, CD/DVD copying, ripping and recording...
Points where Window$ (still) shines:
- games
- more codecs available for media players (i.e. WMV3 is not yet supported under Linux)
- some excellent softwares like DVD-Shrink...
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Does anyone else find it funny that most people cannot be convinced to use Linux, even though it is free?
Linux is not anywhere near as user friendly as Windows is to the common computer newbie.
B_iach all you want, but Linux needs to make some big changes before it can begin to compete with MS in the consumer market....and it's price can't get any lower......it's free for christ sakes.
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hey Nuke, I don't get a dime if you use it or not. You're a big boy, make your own choice.
I discovered it 6 months ago and the learning curve is a bit like AH: the first 2 weeks are tough, then you get the hang of it, you know on which websites you'll find HOWTOs and answers...and you're flying all by yourself.
I was also put off by the initial effort required (which turned out to be less big than I thought). Now I wish I had made the first step earlier.
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Yes you defenatly need to learn using Linux... but it is not hard at all just you need to be familiar
- It is different system you should be familiar that most of software is get via official repositories and package control system (not like for Win dowloading for hunderd of different places)
- You should learn main things like UNIX file structure /usr /home /bin (not like windows Program Files Windows). HW names hda1, hda2, hdc3 - instead of C:. D: etc...
- Working as user and not adiminstarator most of fime.
- Sometimes (quite rare to use command line of administration).
- Learn new SW names - Photoshop -> Gimp, Power Point -> Impress. IE -> Firefox. ICQ - Kopete etc...
But it is defenatly not harder then for Windows - it just different.
(I remember how much time it take for me to setup all codacs for films.......)
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Originally posted by artik
Yes you defenatly need to learn using Linux... but it is not hard at all just you need to be familiar
- You should learn main things like UNIX file structure /usr /home /bin (not like windows Program Files Windows). HW names hda1, hda2, hdc3 - instead of C:. D: etc...
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Artik, any good website to look after these?
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I can use whatever version of Linux I feel like. I can make it run AH or any other game. With current RPM distro's, everything is very easy.
Here's why I don't run it: Nobody else I know uses it for a desktop machine. I have a spiffy little XP image on a CD. If my windows ever gives me a non-hardware related error, I can go from dead in the water to completely new installation in under an hour. It's just too common & convenient not to run XP. Everything is easier, even if it is less reliable.
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I like Linux, I also like the open source movement, I've been playing with it off and on for almost 10 years and it is DEFINITELY getting better at a faster rate then M$ OSes are. But with that being said...
I fear what will happen if or when Linux gains enough popularity among the average computer-consumers that it's market share reaches critical-mass. Once any particular OS reaches that threshold (somewhere between 25-50% in my opinion) of the PC users the amount of malware written to attack it is going to go through the roof. I think the fact that it is open source is only going to make it worse too, when and if that happens. For now the dozen or so top flavors are all vying for less than 10% of the PC marketplace (non-server) so it is not really an issue, sort of like the Mac. Picture your grandmom logging in to check her emails while logged in with root, and you'll see what I mean!
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Artik, any good website to look after these?
http://www.linux.org/
Also I highly recommend Linux for Dummies. A plain, simple, straightforward book that will walk you through it from setup to operations. There are plenty of more advanced books out there, this one is invaluable for someone just learning Linux.
If you knew DOS, and ever wrote a BASIC program, you can learn the Linux file system and how to write scripts. You understand the file structure and simple script writing, you can operate Linux without ever using the GUI. If you have ever looked into C or C++, you will understand how the compiler works. You dont HAVE to know any of this to fire up one of the newer versions of Linux and use it every day. Someday they will probably bury the guts of it under the GUI so most people never see it, like they did with Windows over DOS. IMO though its good to know how it works, so you better understand whats going on at the top. Just my opinion though.
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Originally posted by Edbert
I like Linux, I also like the open source movement, I've been playing with it off and on for almost 10 years and it is DEFINITELY getting better at a faster rate then M$ OSes are. But with that being said...
I fear what will happen if or when Linux gains enough popularity among the average computer-consumers that it's market share reaches critical-mass. Once any particular OS reaches that threshold (somewhere between 25-50% in my opinion) of the PC users the amount of malware written to attack it is going to go through the roof. I think the fact that it is open source is only going to make it worse too, when and if that happens. For now the dozen or so top flavors are all vying for less than 10% of the PC marketplace (non-server) so it is not really an issue, sort of like the Mac. Picture your grandmom logging in to check her emails while logged in with root, and you'll see what I mean!
Thats why I think eventually they will bury the actual OS beneath the GUI so the average user never has to "look beneath the hood". One good thing about the opensource movement is that its a community. People will eventually start targeting Linux for viruses and spyware type stuff, but you can bet the community will close ranks and update kernels just as fast as exploits can be made. It's a matter of pride.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
People will eventually start targeting Linux for viruses and spyware type stuff, but you can bet the community will close ranks and update kernels just as fast as exploits can be made. It's a matter of pride.
Hopefully, whatever happens it's gonna be fun to watch. I wonder if Microsoft can write Linux virii faster than the Linux guys can attack M$ code. Only time will tell.
:D
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Thats why I think eventually they will bury the actual OS beneath the GUI so the average user never has to "look beneath the hood". One good thing about the opensource movement is that its a community. People will eventually start targeting Linux for viruses and spyware type stuff, but you can bet the community will close ranks and update kernels just as fast as exploits can be made. It's a matter of pride.
Being an old Amiga fan I would love to go to a system like OS X or Linux. But my concern is security. With Windows its a case of "the devil you know". Mac's are a good example, there are no antispyware tools yet I know of at least a dozen keyloggers for OS X. Windows may have 20x that many keyloggers, but at least I can spot em with readily available tools.
There are already plenty of security exploits for linux, worms, even trojans. So how do you detect them without being a linux guru?
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I remember when linux had no GUI.....ahhhh those were the days.
Sadly it's becoming just as bloated as windows depending on what distro ya choose. Thank god its easier to optimize though.
LOL remember when RedHat had a "Redneck" language option for installation??? that was funny.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Being an old Amiga fan I would love to go to a system like OS X or Linux. But my concern is security. With Windows its a case of "the devil you know". Mac's are a good example, there are no antispyware tools yet I know of at least a dozen keyloggers for OS X. Windows may have 20x that many keyloggers, but at least I can spot em with readily available tools.
There are already plenty of security exploits for linux, worms, even trojans. So how do you detect them without being a linux guru?
If that concerns you, check out this version.
http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopdlx/dsk_dlx_intro.html
Looks like Openoffice is compatible again. They are promising 95% compatibility by the end of 2005. Sweet. It also has drivers for the latest PCI express video cards, drag and drop CD and DVD burning, built in firewall, pop up blocker (using Firefox and Thunderbird as browser and email client), anti-spyware and chat software that connects to MSN, Yahoo, AOL, ICQ, etc. Runs Adobe software, Dreamweaver, etc. Heck, I might just give up my older copy of Linux AND my Windows for this one.
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Originally posted by deSelys
- all networking stuff: far safer and stabler than Windows. Complete firewall, HTTP server, mail server, Database server, printing services, you-name-it-server functionalities....for free.
Errr No. The networking side is ok, its not safer or "stabler". The firewall is not complete . And the HTTP, Mail, and Database servers have security holes you could drive a bus through.
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[QUOUTE]Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
If that concerns you, check out this version.
[url]anti-spyware [/QUOTE]
All I could see was something about using Mozilla and Firefox to "resist most spyware"... not specific spyware. Point me to the right spot if I'm missing it.
edit: LOL looks like only 1 version has AV and its US$100, wierd!
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Errr No. The networking side is ok, its not safer or "stabler". The firewall is not complete . And the HTTP, Mail, and Database servers have security holes you could drive a bus through.
Ok Vulcan, I cannot let this one pass.
Are you talking about a 'default' configuration of the above? If so, then it would be dependent on the distro you use, but generally, the default configuration lacks a lot on the security side of Linux.
However, that is easily addressable by the user, unlike Windows, which normally requires MS act on it to fix it.
Back to Linux, or any UNIX variant for that matter.
HTTP: Server or client?
Mail: Server of client?
Database: MySQL is pretty damn secure and ships with several distros. The recent CERT advisory for MySQL had to do with admins not setting the MySQL root password or setting it to something trivial.
Most security problems with UNIX's can be traced back to a poor or sloppy job of configuring it. Not saying you are wrong Vulcan, but you were being rather general.
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LOL :rofl
Nothing like a good'ole Linux vs windows thread this could go on for days....
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I do not think Vulcan is pro-Windows. I think he is making an effort to let people know Linux is not a pancea for being lazy about security. And he is right about that.
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I hope HTC is getting kickbacks from M$ for keeping us all entrenched in Windows.
Oh, you're not getting kickbacks? Can we get *nix port than please?
g00b
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No.
For several reasons.
1) There is no coherent support for hardware 3D acceleration for video or audio in Linux yet.
2) There is no consistent or easy way to use a HOTAS setup in Linux.
3) There is no consistent API for the installation of software for Linux.
4) It is less than 1% of the market.
You want game companies to provide Linux support? The day Dell, Compaq, HP, and others ship Linux as the default OS, then the game companies will follow.
What HTC or any game company does is irrelevant to the computer manufacturers. They have to move before software companies will.
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Does M$ give the operating system to those companies for free?
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Heck no and they still slather all over the hands of MS.
Linux is its own worst enemy. Without consistent API's and consistent support for all known types of hardware, it will never be mainstream.
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Skuzzy,
Um, OPENGL?
Don't know about the sound or HOTAS stuff.
I think anyone running linux could install an AH binary or compile their own.
Ever consider utilizing the resources of your community? There might be some hot-sh*t programmers in here willing to write some of the necassary code for a lifetime subscription to AH.
But I totally and completely understand. It's a LOT of trouble for a CURRENTLY small market.
Notice I said currently. If you haven't noticed OSX and Linux are coming on strong and may actually be a viable gaming platform in, what, 5-10 years?
Funny how the modern desktop choice is dictated by which supports games better.
g00b
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g00b, you ever tried to install OpenGL on Slackware, RedHat, and pick another one. I promise you it is not easy and it is not consistent.
Heck they all use different directory hierarchies, and that is a serious problem getting in the way of being able to provide a clean, and consistent way to install and remove software.
We will never release the source to Aces High.
The desktop is not picked by what games will run on it. The desktop is there due to the OEM's support for it. The game companies will go where the numbers take us.
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I don't see why any developer for Linux would bother improving the API's unless it was necessary, they certainly aren't making any money writing the OS. I also don't understand why they would do all that work for free, Unless they just like the attention of being told it's a job well done....
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Originally posted by soda72
I don't see why any developer for Linux would bother improving the API's unless it was necessary, they certainly aren't making any money writing the OS. I also don't understand why they would do all that work for free, Unless they just like the attention of being told it's a job well done....
Well not entirely. Alot of people write an app because they need it, it's a school project, or whatever. Then they're nice enough to throw it up on sourceforge or something similar. Hell, one of my favorite games is java based battletech (the board game), and it's freely distributed, is built around multiplayer, and has an online campaign playing population about 1/2 the size of AH.
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I run gentoo for my home web/mail/firewall and traffic shaping. Installing openGL was quick and easy.
However, as I said earlier, you are entirely correct, it's a lot of work for a minimal return.
I recall hearing some success running AH1 under WINE? Has anyone tried with AH2? Maybe that could eventually be the "supported" linux port?
Just blabbin' away here. Thanks for the feedback Skuzzy, it's appreciated and respected. Join the MA once in a while so we can take a shot at ya :)
g00b
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How about releasing to the mac platform Skuzzy? There is not much hardware that has to be supported compared to linux since apple makes it all and the number of users are growing. Add the fact that mac users are pretty starved on good games and maybe there is a market soon.
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Originally posted by soda72
Does M$ give the operating system to those companies for free?
Are the Linux O/S's with all the goodies mentioned above free?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Ok Vulcan, I cannot let this one pass.
Are you talking about a 'default' configuration of the above? If so, then it would be dependent on the distro you use, but generally, the default configuration lacks a lot on the security side of Linux.
However, that is easily addressable by the user, unlike Windows, which normally requires MS act on it to fix it.
Back to Linux, or any UNIX variant for that matter.
HTTP: Server or client?
Mail: Server of client?
Database: MySQL is pretty damn secure and ships with several distros. The recent CERT advisory for MySQL had to do with admins not setting the MySQL root password or setting it to something trivial.
Most security problems with UNIX's can be traced back to a poor or sloppy job of configuring it. Not saying you are wrong Vulcan, but you were being rather general.
Both the default and the current builds. Most of my job these days is dealing with Application layer security stuff on the network, so I get exposed to a lot vunerability and exploit lists and for every M$ hole there is just as many Linux/Unix holes.
I'm also removed from the desktop O/S when it comes the security. I don't care if its Windows, OS X, Linux, or Unix.
I'm not pro M$. My favourite OS every was AmigaDOS, it was way ahead of its time. But I do think Linux is overrated, and the very nature of its diluted control and standardisation will prevent becoming a mainstream desktop OS. It certainly is good for application specific servers where you don't need the GUI crap.
I do however get tired of the various zealots from the OS X and Linux camp who happily inhale copious amounts of BS smoke and believe the world would be better without M$.
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I would use Linux if I could slap a CD in and play games on it. Imo Microsoft needs a viable competitor in the OS market.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Are the Linux O/S's with all the goodies mentioned above free?
Most of Linux systems and Linux SW are has GPL lincense and free.
I recall hearing some success running AH1 under WINE? Has anyone tried with AH2? Maybe that could eventually be the "supported" linux port?
EDIT ::::
WineX does support DirectX 9.0 my mistale
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Skuzzy,
I've seen WB, WW2OnLine, TargetWare are running under Mac OS X - FreeBSD UNIX system - is there such big difference between this FreBSD Unix systems and Linux?
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BTW - hadn't seen any problems running OpenGL in any distro. Also joystick had worked (at least with Kernel 2.6).
Actually TW is quite playable. It is still Betha version and has bugs but in all connected to OpenGL, or joystick - it works now.
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Artik, any good website to look after these?
Also this is good site:
http://www.linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org)
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Originally posted by artik
Most of Linux systems and Linux SW are has GPL lincense and free.
Really? The ones everyone talks about here cost $$$$ ;)
Specifically the one I was pointed to cost US$99.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Really? The ones everyone talks about here cost $$$$ ;)
Specifically the one I was pointed to cost US$99.
Ok if you want on-line support or you need some kind of resposibilities from official company that the system will be supported for 5 years you need to pic up something that costs money.
However good operation system dosn't mean that it costs money let's see:
- Debian - free professional system that is suitable for network systems, workstation and desktop usage. It is very well maintained system. Lot's of other distros is based on it. (Actually I write in this thread from Debian)
- Knpooix - Debian based installable LiveCD.
- Ubuntu Linux - Desktop optimized distro - based on Debian
- Fedora Core - the GPL radhat system - the major difference between RHEL and Fedora - no official RH end user support (but great community support), the system will be supported by RH less time then RHEL - great system suitable both for desktop, workstation or server porposes
- Gentoo - highly optimized free system - has very high prefomance.
- Lots of others
Let's see SW itself:
KDE, Gnome, OpenOffice - free SW (How much does MS Office cost?)
What else???
So.......
Unless you need some goodies that come from official support you can pic up any free distro and enjoy.
I use Debian system - it is really good system that is build very proffesionally - it is free and I enjoy it much.