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Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 19, 2005, 02:37:26 AM: Week 5 Results - Grand Valley - BMW Z4 + $5k Mods:

1. Swoop - 2:09.293 - 10 pts
2. Funkypants - 2:09.944 - 6 pts
3. Indy007 - 2:10.012 - 4 pts
3. Talyn - 2:11.653 - 3 pts
4. Saurdaukar - 2:14.688 - 2 pts
5. Heretik - 2:15.352 - 1 pts
6. Takeda - 2:15.584 - Honorable Mention
7. Newguy - 2:17.433 - Honorable Mention

Overall Standings:
1. Swoop - 30 pts - 50 kg ballast
2. Indy007 - 28 pts
3. Funkypants - 27 pts
4. Nuchpatrick 16 pts
5. Saurdaukar - 9 pts
6. Talyn - 6 pts
7. Frenchy - 5 pts
8. Takeda - 4 pts
9. GtoRA2 - 3 pts
10. CavemanJ - 2 pts
11. Heretik - 1 pt
11. Funkypants' Dad - 1 pt
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 19, 2005, 02:39:00 AM: Week 6
TRACK: Tokyo Route 246 - Normal
CAR: Aston Martin Vanquish
MODS: 50,000cr budget. No NOS.
AIDS: TCS & ASM disabled for wheel users. Others may use TCS & ASM.

Notes:
- Swoop 50 kg ballast
- Nuchpatrik 50kg ballast (voluntarily)
- Indy007 0kg ballast

RULES:
- Gran Turismo mode practice only. No arcade mode or drafting AI cars.
- Lowest single lap time wins.
- Post times in this thread by Monday AM.
- Winner picks next week's track, car, and mods.
- Winner must carry 50kg ballast in next week's competition. Subsequent wins add 50kg ballast for each win, up to a maximum of 200kg. If winning streak is ended, 50kg is removed each week that the driver does not win.
- Oil change and car wash allowed.
- Try not to cut corners or hit walls too much.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 19, 2005, 02:43:04 AM: My notes:

- Vanquish is a car that can be steered with the throttle on N (simulation) tires. On R tires it's faster but it's an understeering pig due to the fact that R tires don't really simulate a traction circle as much as a traction square. 600 bhp and you can't even chirp the rears...

- In order to get rid of the understeer one may wish to attempt suspension tuning. Unfortunately GT4 (like GT3) has got spring rates and roll stiffness bass ackwards. On a real car, to reduce understeer, one would make the rear spring and roll stiffness greater relative to the front. In GT4 you have to go another way. To take the push out of the car, make the front stiffer and the rear softer. Again probably due to the bugs in the tire models.
Title: Re: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 19, 2005, 03:31:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1

1. Swoop - 2:09.293 - 10 pts
2. Funkypants - 2:09.944 - 6 pts

244 is lower than 293, Er Panzy.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: deSelys on April 19, 2005, 03:48:10 AM: One question about the game: I noticed the rule 'Try not to cut corners or hit walls too much.'

Does it have a good damage model, or do collisions / accidents only slow you down?
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 19, 2005, 11:04:58 AM: There's no damage model at all.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: moot on April 19, 2005, 11:38:05 AM: Dunno about GT4, but wallriding in GT2 and 3 was an easy cheat.

Frenchy, looks like you misread 944 for 244.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 19, 2005, 11:50:18 AM: The walls are kind of "sticky" in GT4. They won't hurt your car but they will slow you down.
The idea of the rule is simple. If you do something that would break the car or get you black flagged in real life, don't submit the time.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 19, 2005, 02:15:02 PM: Her ... arh ... thx Moot.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Heretik on April 19, 2005, 05:32:35 PM: initial run 1'54.913

lots of room for improvement, and lots of room left in the budget
Title: Hello!
Post by: Talyn on April 20, 2005, 12:48:19 PM: Hello all, Swoop finally persuaded me to come out of hiding, get registered, and start posting my times. Still, if it keep's him happy :p

Anyway, yes, initial run of 1'49.something, still need to fiddle with the car, and now I have Swoops ghost image to follow, I'm looking to improve!

Have fun all...

Talyn (mate of Swoop)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 20, 2005, 12:49:58 PM: Initial run 1'45.335

But I've only spent 30k so far.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Curval on April 20, 2005, 12:57:10 PM: Hey Talyn.

No racey racey here, but I look in to see how the Swoopster is doing....and it appears he is doing just fine, as usual with computer games. ;)

Swoop is my CO in the AH squad and a mate too. Any friend of his is a friend of mine.

Welcome to the boards.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: takeda on April 20, 2005, 02:03:54 PM: 1:48.990 so far, braking for corner 1 is scary...
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Heretik on April 20, 2005, 02:17:47 PM: 1'47 area now. I have a lot of tweaking to do yet.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: takeda on April 20, 2005, 04:24:32 PM: I went under 1:45, but like 5k over the budget testing stuff, so I need to find something to remove. Prolly the suspension, I really just make it worse every time I change any settings...

Oh.. and this is the nicest sounding car so far IMO.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Heretik on April 20, 2005, 05:22:29 PM: 1'43.976 but I may have overshot my budget. gonna re-check my figures.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 21, 2005, 03:24:47 PM: Down to 1'43.963

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Heretik on April 21, 2005, 04:09:58 PM: 1'43.710
back under budget and down 2 tenths.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: newguy on April 22, 2005, 11:02:51 AM: 1:48.389, with money to spend. I like this car :), only one I've been remotely competitive in.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 22, 2005, 02:54:00 PM: 1'42.989

There's another 1/2 a second possible I'm sure.

Maybe more.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: indy007 on April 22, 2005, 03:06:20 PM: 1'45.241 first try, no mods. I kinda dig this car, but it's still not my favorite. 50k better buy me at least 3 seconds.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: nuchpatrick on April 22, 2005, 03:08:50 PM: 1:44.238

Blast makes this thing handle a wee bit better.. :D
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 22, 2005, 04:00:42 PM: Blast?
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 22, 2005, 04:05:53 PM: Links to previous weeks for future reference:
Week 1 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145813)
Week 2 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146221)
Week 3 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146745)
Week 4 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147355)
Week 5 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147939)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: moot on April 23, 2005, 05:04:30 AM: ballast, maybe.
Would get a ps2 to race you all, but it'd total around 340$.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 23, 2005, 11:55:33 PM: Anybody else under 1:40 yet? :)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 24, 2005, 05:26:21 AM: Just show us the video already!

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 24, 2005, 08:24:21 AM: muahahaa (http://www.mikewaltz.net/gt4/Week6.avi)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: CavemanJ on April 24, 2005, 08:32:38 AM: yer goin down funky boy!
(ifluff'n I can ever get everyone outta the house today)

How are you capturin the vids?
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 24, 2005, 08:43:06 AM: I have a tv tuner card in my PC, plus Virtualdub software.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 25, 2005, 04:56:48 AM: Just got around to watching your lap.......

**** me sideways!

RH tyres. Why the shreck didnt I think of that. I put on SS's, spending the extra on R tyres didnt even occur to me. Wish I'd watched this lap last night now, could have made some emergency changes.....

You're taking corners so much quicker than me it just aint funny.

When's cut off time? Ya never know, I might get home from work in time......

Still waiting on times from Saurdaukar, Frenchy, GtoRA2 & Cavey.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 10:02:59 AM: "Monday AM" deadline.

You have 4 hours in my time zone. :)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 25, 2005, 10:18:38 AM: I didnt do any this weekend, partly cause it was one of the worst of my life... but what can you do.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: newguy on April 25, 2005, 10:19:02 AM: OK my final time is 1:44.109. You guys are hackers :) Can you post your setup after we see the winner Funked?
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: takeda on April 25, 2005, 10:28:31 AM: Best within budget is 1:43.915
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 25, 2005, 11:24:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
I didnt do any this weekend, partly cause it was one of the worst of my life... but what can you do.

you ok mate, wassup?

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Heretik on April 25, 2005, 11:32:44 AM: meh. stuff came up and I didn't end up playing again after I posted my 2nd time. Had at least another second in me though. It's fairly easy for me to improve on one section at a time, but pulling it all together is a little tougher.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Monk on April 25, 2005, 11:33:46 AM: So...........who won?
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 11:34:15 AM: I'll post my final time if Swoop surrenders. Otherwise I'll wait until 11:59 AM PDT. :D
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 25, 2005, 11:50:40 AM: Not much you guys can do.

My GF was taking antidepressants that were making her worse and she is wigging out and decided she needs some time apart so she can figure out why she is unhappy.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 25, 2005, 11:56:27 AM: Talyn's new time: 1'47.866

I'm in the 1'40s, still trying.

Why oh why didn't I fit RHs sooner?

And GTO: Oh **** mate! Major sympathies.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 25, 2005, 11:58:59 AM: Thanks
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 12:10:52 PM: Bummer dude.
Only thing to do is come down to Chino with us and drown your misery.
Bros befo' hoes. :)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: GtoRA2 on April 25, 2005, 12:12:22 PM: Looks like I am in on that, my bring a budy too.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Monk on April 25, 2005, 12:15:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1

Bros befo' hoes. :)
that's nasty.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Sparks on April 25, 2005, 12:20:32 PM: LOL - got the PS2 and thought great join in HAHAHA.

Still trying to get National B license and have a Honda Civic an 4 grand to spend. :D

Someone should have told me this is hard :)

So far I haven't driven anything that doesn't understeer like an understeering thing. Couldn't even get the back end of the Beemer out - full lock and planted right foot and it just ploughs on. Find the skid model a bit odd.

Practice practice.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 12:34:35 PM: Sparks, there's two problems:
1. Driver aids. In the "settings" menu when you are at a race track, you can go in there and turn off driver aids, which will help the RWD cars get the tail out. Unfortunately you can't do this in the license tests, only when you are in one of the race events.
2. Tires. The cars are issued with what GT4 calls "Sport Tires". These are some kind of super sticky rubber that gives road cars 1.5g cornering ability and very little wheelspin. When you buy a car, go into the tuning shop and get the N1, N2, and N3 tires. These will give grip and traction levels much closer to the real world, and you will be able to hang the tail out on the RWD cars.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 25, 2005, 12:35:39 PM: ok, give up.

1'39.037

Sparks!

Welcome to the club matey!

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 01:06:05 PM: My best was 1:37.080

Mods:
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Semi-Racing Exhaust
Sports Chip
NA Stage 2
R2 Tires
Racing Brakes
Semi-Racing Suspension
Wing

Settings:
Springs (kgf/mm): 10.4/5.0 F/R
Ride Height (mm): 85/85 F/R
Shock Absorbers: 4/4 F/R
Camber Angle 4.0/0.0 F/R
Downforce 30/0 F/R

It still had determined understeer at low speed but above 120 mph or so the wing took over and it was neutral to the point of being spooky.

I'll post a video once my FTP server un****s itself.
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 05:32:58 PM: Week 6 Results - Route 242 - Aston Martin Vanquish + $50k Mods:
1   Funkypants   1:37.080   10   PTS
2   Swoop   1:39.037   6   PTS
3   Heretik   1:43.710   4   PTS
4   Takeda   1:43.915   3   PTS
5   Newguy   1:44.109   2   PTS
6   Nuchpatrick   1:44.238   1   PTS
7   Indy007   1:45.241   0   PTS
8   Talyn   1:47.866   0   PTS

OVERALL STANDINGS
1   Funkypants   37   PTS
2   Swoop   36   PTS
3   Indy007   28   PTS
4   Nuchpatrick   17   PTS
5   Saudaukar   9   PTS
6   Takeda   7   PTS
7   Heretik   5   PTS
8   Talyn   5   PTS
9   Frenchy   5   PTS
10   GtoRA2   3   PTS
11   Newguy   2   PTS
12   Funkypants' Dad   1   PTS
13   CavemanJ   1   PTS
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: Swoop on April 25, 2005, 05:35:06 PM: Come on then, get yer arse in gear. We're waiting for this weeks.......

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: FUNKED1 on April 25, 2005, 05:38:42 PM: Week 7 Starts Here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=149109)
Title: Gt4 Challenge Week 6
Post by: newguy on April 25, 2005, 06:12:50 PM: Heya Funked, I got a 1:44.109. You posted my first run times. I need all the points I can get :) Thanks.