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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: EagleEyes on April 19, 2005, 10:29:41 PM
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Ok guys, obviously we are all big computer gamers here and such. I am a Sr and graduating in 27 days, and no dont have hours down yet, but getting there!:aok , But this up comming fall i plane on attending ITT Tech here in Minnesota, at there Edine Prairie campus. Im going to get a Bacholers of Science in Digital Entertainment/Game Desgin. I have heard good and bad things about ITT Tech. I was woundering what you guys think about ITT Tech. Im up for all opinions good and bad! Anything could help me make my decision!
Egle31st
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I don't know about the digital/game stuff, but our group goes to ITT to recruit as a last resort. You'll pay to much money to get a degree that's not really worth anything.
You're better off going to the CC and getting a technical degree. It's a hell of a lot cheaper. Either that or go to a CC for a transfer degree in engineering (one that transfer to a state college).
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Its only going to cost $67,000 for all 4 years. I have articles that shows that ITT Tech is the best game design college in the US, but then i read articles about how ITT was being investigated for frade (Not sure i spelt that right). My grandpa, who lives in AZ, has sent me 10 articles totaling 80 some pages about ITT's frade problem. Again, i really want to do game design and development! I love computers and I LOVE playing games.
Egle31st
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Every company I have ever worked for(were I was part of the interview team) looked at anyone with Devry/Itt/Etc " degree as just like not having anything. But that was with Support and QA.
I doubt eng would look at it that diferently.
Jr C to State C would be a better way to go.
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You go to ITT and I can guarantee you a $10 per hour job when you graduate.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You go to ITT and I can guarantee you a $10 per hour job when you graduate.
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I can vouch for that. I went and couldn't find a job in the Tech field to save my life. A year and a half later I am still looking. Although the job I have now is over $10/hour...but not much more.
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DO NOT PAY $17000 PER YEAR FOR A TECHNICAL DEGREE!!!!
Sorry, but I had to say that.
Take 4 years and become an engineer. It will open more doors for half the cost.
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Might be hard words to heed, EagleEyes, if you've already halfway made up your mind for ITT. But listen to these guys, listen to your grandpa. I think they know their stuff.
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Im listening, thats why i posted it on here. Thanks for all the input. Pesonally i really do not want to be an engeneer. Id love to go to a state college or a jr college, but the only problem is that i can't afford it. Tuition is growing on average 15-20% a year. Some of my friends are paying $67,000 a year!! Again Thanks for all the input guys. Its defenetly going to help in my decision making!
Egle31st
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If you want a degree in computer games, DIgipen Institute of Technology (DIT), Full Sail are places to go. There are a couple of others that are good -- I think USC has a program now. Those schools train and place people in the game industry; get a degree from there, and you'll be working on computer games.
Now, working on computer games isn't exactly a great deal. The pay is lower compared to computer jobs with similar skill requirements. The hours are long, and the burnout rate is high. That all may change; but that's the way it is now.
Also, speaking as someone who's worked professionally in the field (both in the past and present), working on games is not at all the same as playing them.
In any case, before giving up on non-profit universities and semi-profitable specialized schools such as Full Sail and Digipen, call up their financial aid people, and find out how much _exactly_ it will cost. What sorts of loans are we talking? Scholarships? Grants?
If you decide those places are not for you, and you want a degree that will get you a job, a decent paying one, not necessarily in the game industry, go to your community college for a couple of years. If you have the motivation and the interest, you should be able to do well enough to be in an optimal position for transfer to a big school. And if not, community colleges give a decent education at a great price.
But ITT and DeVry are a joke. Hell, most engineers would be embarassed to teach there. I mean, you can do great there, and get an excellent education and have a lot of talent; but nobody is going to see ITT or DeVry on your resume and believe it.
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Eagle eyes
I am myself a 3D artist but not in USA so cant help there but..
go to this website http://www.cgtalk.com and you'll find a heap of threads and people to do with the CG industry and you will definatley find your answers there.
hope this helps
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$67,000????? :eek: :eek:
I got a 4 year in mechanical engineering for 54,000. Course that was 12 years ago.
I have to agree with Mini. If you going to spend that kind of coin go out and get a BS. It will give you more options in the long run. A technical degree in gaming is going to limit you to basically the gaming market and POSSIBLY entertainment (movies etc) doing CGI.
On top of that, everyone and their uncle wants to do games because its "easy" which equates to lots of competition for the available jobs.
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Well, I'm a graduate of ITT with a BS in Telecommunications. I liked it much better then the local Jr College which was like high school all over. I went to UCF, I which I didn't care for either. ITT has a no B.S. approche and not time is wasted with crappy courses.
Now, my job when I got out in 98... I ended up with nice job 40k Tech job at AT&T Wireless. 9 months later I was lay'd off after the fall of the .dot com craze. Now finding a job with my skills at the time there were so many of us that we were steping on each other. I jumped trades and now work in the commerical refrigeration industry managing a nice size company.
All I have to say is think hard before you really lock yourself into one skill.
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I had a friend that Went through ITT He loved It, I am not sure how mUch it helped him, He Never Did well in normal colage, So this was a great way for him to get a degree, He is doing great in the programming field now. But thenh i think we would have done well before.
I have not put much weight in a degree in the IT field. Most of the people i know have degrees in other fields. Some places It is a requirement But most guys i know doing interviewing Dont hold one degree in any higher place then others.
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I have to agree with those who tell you to go to a regular educational institution. Start out with 2 years in a JR college or a Community College. After that transfer to a 4 year institution. Start IMMEDIATELY at looking for tuition assistance. There are litterally millions of $ out there that go unclaimed because people don't put in for scholarships, grants and loans. You are actually behind the curve now in looking for money.
Go to the local community college now and start the process for finding $ for school. Don't go to ITT tech you'll find later it was a waste of your time and $ when it doesn't help you get a job
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Again guys, thanks, reading all this info is helping a lot. I would love to go to a regular college, but i shot myself in the foot. Since i was 10 i had been planing on going into the airforce. Even at the begining of this school year i had been planning on going into the Air Force, so i didnt bother taking the SAT/ACTs. I wont be able to take them now until next spring. Plus to add to the trouble when i was in 9th grade, i had my appendix out and failed 3 classes. My GPA dropped like a rock and to this day i am still trying to get it back up. As of a month ago i had a GPA of 2.5. Most colleges i know of, they would rather take a student who has money, good SAT/ACT scores and a high GPA. Again thanks everyone for your input. I have heard a lot of good as well as bad things about ITT Tech. So plz keep it commen!
Egle31st
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Go Community College. I did, and worked to pay for it. If you go to a good one, you'll get the same education as you would at a 4 year university for the first two years.
Then transfer to a 4 year university (you can actually try to do this, if you wanted, after your first semester is over and you have good grades).
I got into University of MD after I finished my Community College. Transfered shortly there after to pursue the degree I wanted, but I got into UMD no problem and then transfered no problem.
I'm telling you, CC is a good way to go if you are concerned about money or can't get into a 4 year.
-SW
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So why aren't you going into the airforce?
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Originally posted by Vipermann
So why aren't you going into the airforce?
Air Force wings are made of lead!!
:aok
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I graduated from ITT in 1984 with one of their very first bachelor's degrees, in automated manufacturing technology. I have worked as an engineer since that time, except one period last year when I was laid off for 10 months.
I've made really good money at it, and have been satisfied with my career, for the most part.
HOWEVER...
Go to a real university, get a recognized bachelor of science degree. Have some fun while going to school. Join a fraternity. ITT has no school activities, no teams, no...sense of community.
That will become important to you later. Trust me. I miss not having a real "alma mater". And I find myself apologizing for my degree, rather than being proud of it.
I see guys with University degrees networking together to cover each other, kind of like a squad here. Universities have a support system on campus to help you adjust. None of that is available at ITT.
It's your call. Both routes can get you where you want to be--combined with ability, a good attitude, and hard work.
Good luck, and if you have any questions, look me up in the MA as "shubie". I'll be glad to help.
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I wouldn't let your grades worry you so much about it. If there is a question from the school you can take an additional test. One of them is the Millers analogy test. I forget the name of the other one.
Just go apply at a junior college. Once you have a couple semesters grades in college behind you it will be a snap to get accepted at a 4 year institution. They will already know you can handle the work with the Junior college experiance.
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I have noticed that you guys have said go to jr college then transfer to 4 year college. I know for a fact a state university is not an option for me. I bearly made it for the $67,000 loan for ITT. My parents cant help me because they dont have good credit. Id like to go, but i have a feeling that its not gonna happen. Again guys, thanks a lot, this is making it easier to make my decision. If you have any good info on schools that have a game design program, feel free to emial me, Airforcedude05@yahoo.com
Egle31st
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As much as I hate to agree with Mavrick ( :p )
If you really think that you're ready for college, then troop on over to the JC, bust your bellybutton there for a year or two. By then you should know if you have what it takes to get to where you want to go, it won't cost nearly as much (well, I don't know about up there, but in CA the JCs were dirt cheap).
If you don't think you are ready for college (I wasn't at your age) then you might want to find something else to do for a while, until you figure a few things out.
How do you like Bellbottoms? (http://www.navy.com/careers)
God I hope Pataya Beach wasn't hurt by that Tsunami.
-Sik
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
I have noticed that you guys have said go to jr college then transfer to 4 year college. I know for a fact a state university is not an option for me. I bearly made it for the $67,000 loan for ITT. My parents cant help me because they dont have good credit. Id like to go, but i have a feeling that its not gonna happen. Again guys, thanks a lot, this is making it easier to make my decision. If you have any good info on schools that have a game design program, feel free to emial me, Airforcedude05@yahoo.com
Egle31st
Never say never in the world of tuition assistance and financial aid. The JC route affords you the opportunity to get in there on the relative cheap, boost your grades, and then qualify for all kinds of fun money when you transfer.
I absolutely hate being the guy who projects his own life back on others (old man Sikboy as it were... sigh) but that's essentially what I ended up doing. My BA from the University of California cost me a total of 6,000 bucks in loans. (Of course I had the GI Bill, that went a LONG way best $1,200 bucks I ever spent).
-Sik
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Yeah "Barely qualified for $67k at ITT" means nothing with respect to other options; in fact, I'd be wary of where that loan money comes from and what the terms are; either they're government-guaranteed student loans, in which case you can get them for any other school you go to, or they're another way ITT can make a buck off you, in which case you're better off not taking it. Community Colleges are dirt cheap; and a couple of years there with good performance will make any number of universities affordable. Again, look around.
ITT is for-profit. It's in their interest to convince you that you have no other options. There is no substitute for speaking with the other schools directly. Even HS counselors usually have no clue.
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Go to Community College. They will let you in regardless of grades as long as you graduated hight school or got a GED.
Once there, get serious, work hard and if you get good grades you will be able to transfer to a 4 year school regardless of your high school GPA. Yiu can take SAT/ACT at any time if a target transfer school of yiurs demands it.
How do I know this and why should you listen to me?
I was a high school drop out. I never graduated and my GPA was far below 2.5.. But I got my GED and started at my local CC. I got serious, I got a 4.0 GPA there and transfered to a great 4 year school where I graduted with a real bachelors degree and Summa Cum Laude Honors.
Community College saved my arse. Take advantage of the Community College system and skip the technical school. and on top of everyting it will save you a ton of money comparted to that 17K a year trade school.
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Where did you go to CC Grun?
Man, you and I had a lot in common lol. Except I convinced a teacher to lie so that I could graduate high school lol.
(and I got Magna Cum Laude :p )
-Sik
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Oh my COD!!!!! Sikboy agreed with one of my posts. I'd better go wash off my keyboard before it taps out something else he will agree with. Nurse get me soem alcohol!! No not a bottle a freaking BARREL!!!!!!
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