Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: slimm50 on April 20, 2005, 08:34:41 AM
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One of our vendors came by last week to show off some new gadget he thought we should buy from him. While in my office he spied all the "Ghosts" calendar photos on my wall. Said he has a buddie who was a WWII fighter pilot. He then asked if I'd ever flown any of these plane pictured on my walls. "In a manner of speaking", I said. Then I proceeded to tell him of Aces High. He then asked for the web address so he could tell his friend about it. He said his buddy would prolly get kick out of it.
Yesterday he came by the office again. While here he said he had told his friend about Aces High, and that he (the vet) had downloaded the game, and was eagerly exploring the possibilities.
So if some old codger newbie shows up, be good to him. If my vendor was telling the truth this guy ain't a newb, he's just new to this game. But I know y'all have great affection and respect for vets, so no worries here.:)
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I wish the Vet luck in the game. I hope he isn't turned off by the fact that it is a game and has little relationship to what he knew in the real world.
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You have not had the pleasure of taking to these vets Mav and here them damn near in tears about the memories brought back from flying thier rides in AH.
I have been fortunate to get to speak to a P38 and Corsair pilot who both called to just thank us and then got to listen to thier stories when they flew. I know those days are numbered so I hang on every word these guys have to say.
It is an amazing experience.
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Skuzzy, you missed the point of my post. I do not in any way want to quash the Vets memories, I just hope they don't get turned off by the "gamey" aspects of the game that do not reflect on the real world experiance they had.
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They actually could care less about that. They are into the thrill of flying thier ride again. The ACM aspects also just makes them smile.
They really get a thrill flying. The Corsair pilot could not stop talking about the carrier take-off in AH compared to what he really had to do. He complemented us as there were many key aspects of his flights he had forgotten until he did it again in AH.
He said the memories just came back.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
They actually could care less about that. They are into the thrill of flying thier ride again. The ACM aspects also just makes them smile.
They really get a thrill flying. The Corsair pilot could not stop talking about the carrier take-off in AH compared to what he really had to do. He complemented us as there were many key aspects of his flights he had forgotten until he did it again in AH.
He said the memories just came back.
Man, Skuzz....that's cool!:D
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Have any of those vets ever told you anything that has made you change or add things to the game?
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Skuzzy, you're just not participating. Maverick is asserting that no matter what your FACTS are, he still KNOWS that WWII vets will shun the aspects of the game that he finds gamey!
Your flagrant waving around of the truth and personal experience are just not helping.
:D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Skuzzy, you're just not participating. Maverick is asserting that no matter what your FACTS are, he still KNOWS that WWII vets will shun the aspects of the game that he finds gamey!
Your flagrant waving around of the truth and personal experience are just not helping.
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Chairboy nice spin, wrong, but nice spin none the less. BTW if I'm wrong I'm happy to be wrong about a Vet not being disappointed in the way the game is played. I'd much rather a Vet be happy than a gamer.
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Geeez Mav. You pull the wings off flies and taunt babies too I bet.
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Please do not feed the Mav.
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Heh Mav, give up. I understood what yer concern was, but now no matter what you say you'll get hammered. It's just your turn in the barrel, that's all.;)
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Nilsen: Nope. These two gentlemen called just to chew the fat, and let us know they appreciated the game as it brought back memories forgotten.
The P38 pilot had some really hair raising stories to tell.
I talk to them both from time to time. They are having a ball. They laugh at the silly behavior of people online. Especially the 'reality' nuts, as they put it. "People worry too much. If they had something to really worry about, it would change thier tune."
They have both been through hell and back, and do not let a game bother them.
It's quite fun to listen to an 80+ year old man giggle as he pulls the trigger and blows someone out of the sky.
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It suddenly occurs to me. I wish I could have been recording these conversations with them. I am getting to hear stuff that will never be in the history books.
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Skuzzy, did you ask any of them if they know Aunt Bee?
Seriously, that's a very cool thing to have some of these guys around and even be able to talk to them.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It suddenly occurs to me. I wish I could have been recording these conversations with them. I am getting to hear stuff that will never be in the history books.
Maybe yoiu can ask them to record it next time? It would be a great thing to have personally or HTC and the vets could even expore using their comments to promote the game.
In any case I'm very to hear some of the real guys from the war are participating in the game.
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Yep. No doubt about it. That`s beyond cool.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It suddenly occurs to me. I wish I could have been recording these conversations with them. I am getting to hear stuff that will never be in the history books.
<--smacks Skuzzy in the back of the head.
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If this game brings back memories, imagine them flying PF or AEP...fewer 'gamey' aspects there if you crank realism to full:aok
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Now you did it. I was not going to say, but the P38 pilot had messed with PF and hated it.
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why???
what aspect was unrealistic?
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
why???
what aspect was unrealistic?
Betcha it's the weightless feel of the aircraft when flying. Now, I have no idea how to explain "weightless" when there's no real feeling of weight, but it's the only way I can describe it... HTC nailed it, IL-2/AEP/PF didn't (btw, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Il2 one bit).
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Originally posted by Tumor
Betcha it's the weightless feel of the aircraft when flying. Now, I have no idea how to explain "weightless" when there's no real feeling of weight, but it's the only way I can describe it... HTC nailed it, IL-2/AEP/PF didn't (btw, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Il2 one bit).
Fool!
Superior Soviet socialist gravity is less opressing than than capitalist pig imperialist gravity.
No potatoes for you today!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Fool!
Superior Soviet socialist gravity is less opressing than than capitalist pig imperialist gravity.
No potatoes for you today!
I'm on a low-carb diet ANYWAY!!... so take that and stick it up your kremlin!
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Now you have done it Skuzzy! All the IL2 fan bOyZ are going to come here and defend there baby.
:D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
You have not had the pleasure of taking to these vets Mav and here them damn near in tears about the memories brought back from flying thier rides in AH.
I have been fortunate to get to speak to a P38 and Corsair pilot who both called to just thank us and then got to listen to thier stories when they flew. I know those days are numbered so I hang on every word these guys have to say.
It is an amazing experience.
I've had the incredible good fortune to get acquainted with about a dozen P-38 pilots, with help from Widewing, Warren Bodie, and some searching on the web. Skuzzy is right, there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, in this world that compares to conversing with these guys. I am hesitant to bring any of them to the game because of some of the things that go on online, if I could be sure they'd blow it off, I'd bring them in without thinking twice.
I got lucky and ran into a couple in person at Middlesboro KY two years ago when I was talking to Steve Hinton and Bob Cardin while we were looking at "Glacier Girl" and "Porky II".
I was talking to Capt. Stan Richardson Jr. a while back, and he told me he'd been down to Tillamook, to "hug" the P-38 there "Tangerine". He truly loves the planes with all his heart and soul. He's had a heart attack and the attending surgery, and is no longer able to fly. But he has some friends that sneak him in to fly an F-15 simulator every once in a while.
It really hit home how these guys feel about these birds a few years ago at an air show in Smyrna Tennessee. I was taking pictures of my kids in and around a B-17, (Col. Robert Morgan was there) and I noticed four men there who were obviously veteran of World War II. They were struggling terribly trying to get some pictures, the crowd was walking all over them, and I could see they were very discouraged.
I went over and asked them if they needed help getting some pictures, and one replied "I was their pilot for 40 missions, these are the last of my crew left, and I sure would like to get pictures of them with this plane". I immediately set about clearing the crowd back, and I got a SSgt. in the reserves to come over and give me a hand. The pilot got his men next to the plane and took several pictures, and then one of them took his picture. I asked the pilot "Wouldn't you like to have a few pictures of all of you together with the plane?" He said, "Oh, I wouldn't want to bother you with that". Of course I told him it would be an honor and a pleasure, and I insisted. I took about ten pictures or so and gave him back the camera. The SSgt. saluted them and told them how happy he was to help and went off to resume his duties.
The pilot thanked me, and proceeded to tell me a half dozen mission stories, and then said, "And one of these just like this one brought me and all my boys home everytime, I never lost a plane, or one of my boys". His eyes welled up with tears and he said "I wish they could all be here together just this once more". He thanked me again and walked off.
My kids came out of the plane, and I was tearing up, so I sent them with my wife and went around to the other side of the plane and cried. Then I went up to the front of the plane where they were charging $1 to get in and walk around, and i went over to the lady taking the money. she said "you've already paid, you can go through again for free". I gave her a $50 bill and told her about the pilot and his crew, and the $50 was all I had to give her to contribute to keeping the plane flying to the shows.
Man, I love those guys, you can't get to know even one of them without being touched deeply. Their love for their country, their family, their squad and squadmates, and their planes, is something I don't think we'll ever see on that scale again. Several of my P-38 pilot friends have made their final approach and folded their wings in the past few years. Any time I either don't get email or don't get replies from them, I really worry and get grouchy, because I know that soon, they'll all be gone, just like I lost my Dad (WW II amd Korea) in January.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
They actually could care less about that. They are into the thrill of flying thier ride again. The ACM aspects also just makes them smile.
They really get a thrill flying. The Corsair pilot could not stop talking about the carrier take-off in AH compared to what he really had to do. He complemented us as there were many key aspects of his flights he had forgotten until he did it again in AH.
He said the memories just came back.
Curious as to how much input that you get/have gotten from these guys that you have incorperated into the game?
Nothing like haveing a real (insert plane type here) to provide valuable input as to some of the nuances of a particular plane.
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Thanks Virgil... brought back some great memories.
At my Dad's funeral last month his best friend Fred started talking to me about their experiences during the war. They both joined at the same time and both entrered the Army Air Corps. Dad wanted to fly, but by August 1944, they weren't in need of more pilots. Fred became a bombardier in B-29's, Dad was a B-25 radio operator and ended up as a tower op.
He talked fondly of the plane and was proud to be chosen to fly in what amounted to the B-2 of it's day. He ended up training new guys and never went overseas.
The biggest picture in my dad's house was of him and his two friends showing off their new uniforms.
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Virgil, thanks for sharing....ya big ol' softie.:)
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The AH2 FM is way better than the FB+AEP+PF FM.
Wing tips shot off result in a plane becoming a dirt missle no matter how much you trim the plane, while in reality the situation was much different.
Stalls/spins - they have become completely different/easier over the progression of the series. Before if you forced the I16 beyond its envelope, you were screwed. Now it happily loops with the stick at full deflection.
I could go on and on, but I hope the new FM they have in the 4.0 addon will improve it.
The only thing that FB+AEP+PF does to keep my interest is the way servers are setup, and the coop missions. The graphics help too, but I especially like coop missions that are built well and playing them with humans.
The AH arena came and went for me, I'd been doing the same thing (MA type environment) since CK. I want something new.
-SW