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Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: sniper68 on April 22, 2005, 02:29:14 AM
since when can i get muted for saying ST#U  not even adding the F in thats just dumb im gettin very sick and tired of the moderators selectiove reading i get muted for that yet other more offensive stuff just continues and franky its begining to piss me off
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: mechanic on April 22, 2005, 02:41:13 AM
i reported you for vox to see what it did last week remember?

that might have something to do with it.
i havnt been able to use mic for week also. so im begining to think a squadie did the same to me :)

what does this new feature do? and wont people just abuse it.
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: sniper68 on April 22, 2005, 02:42:22 AM
no i mean im egttin messeges on my screen ERROR sniper u like being alittle schoolboy dont u
if they got the balls to say stuff like that they should have the balls to say who they really are insted oif this incognito warnings and mutings

ghay stuff like that
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: WMLute on April 22, 2005, 03:40:26 AM
here's a clue....

(lean in closer).....  
 
(closer)....

(in a whisper voice)  don't curse.

(GASP)

you mean this is a family game?  we shouldn't have to explain to our 7yr olds what ST*U means?  Wait, you mean some people are actually offended by vulgar language?  

If you woulnd't say it in a kindergarten class, don't say it (type it) in AH.  

PRETTY simple.  Doesn't take a genius to understand.

I'll tell you what ticks me off, guys mouthing off typing things that are offensive, and think they have a right to do so.  Well, guess what?  You don't.  Don't like it?  Go make your own sim, and let anybody say or type anything you want, because in THIS sim, HT has made it very clear they do not want that sort of things said or typed in THEIR game.

Sure i've heard worse.  Sure people do it all the time.  Doesn't make it ok, or acceptable.  

(sigh... mumbles something about how quickie divorces were the downfall of our society and slinks over to the WidowMaker Pleasure Barn (TM) to pay a visit to Jenny)
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: sniper68 on April 22, 2005, 03:48:38 AM
wow lute go nuts on me

and u know what lute its not that i said ST#U its the fact that i get busted for that crap when 50X worse crap goes on at the same time its BS plain and simple
oh and plus a family game ya didnt know family oriented games had people killing each other in planes and ground vehicles but ya thx for letting me know
i didnt post this to get into a fight about what can and cant be said  

IPOSTED THIS about the fact the moderators mute some stuff and let worse crap GO
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: WMLute on April 22, 2005, 03:55:30 AM
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Originally posted by sniper68
wow lute go nuts on me coulda swore we were buds but guess not
and u know what lute its not that i said ST#U its the fact that i get busted for that crap when 50X worse crap goes on at the same time its BS plain and simple



lol we are buds brother.  Sorry if it seemed I came down a bit strong, but this has always been a sore topic for me.

bear in mind 'bout 1/2 that was tongue in cheek.

Just because you see 50x worse things, doesn't condone your actions though.  Just because (insert name) shot 50 people and got away with it, doesn't mean you can shoot one and it's ok.  Sure that's a bit extreme of an example, but it's correct.  The actions of others do not justify negative behavior.


(hands Sniper a day pass to the Widow Maker Pleasure Barn (TM) and tells 'em to enjoy himself.  The Guiness is cold, and Jenny is off limits.  Spare Velcro Gloves and Hoof Holder Boots(tm) are in the tack room)


(edit) this IS a family game.  My kids love to watch, and when they were old enough they flew as well.  It's also not just about children.  Some people find vulgarity offensive, which it is, and per HT they don't have to listen to it / read it in AH.

(edit edit) moderators are doing their best.  Do I think HT is doing the best job w/ the moderator program?  No.  BUT it's all we have.

DANG IT quit editing your post
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: sniper68 on April 22, 2005, 03:57:25 AM
lute read my post again i edited it
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: WMLute on April 22, 2005, 03:58:48 AM
me too
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: sniper68 on April 22, 2005, 04:02:05 AM
no its not doing a good job wit the moderator program infact its horrible they arnt there when they need to be and are there when nothin bad goers on and they mute and warn anyway

THERE NEEEDS TO BE A TERMS OF SERVICE made i havewnt seen one yet saying what u can and cant say when theres no idea what u can get warned and muted for the only way to find out is by accidently screwing uup and thats not fair to anyone and i know im not alone when i say that
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: WMLute on April 22, 2005, 04:11:31 AM
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Originally posted by sniper68
no its not doing a good job wit the moderator program infact its horrible they arnt there when they need to be and are there when nothin bad goers on and they mute and warn anyway

THERE NEEEDS TO BE A TERMS OF SERVICE made i havewnt seen one yet saying what u can and cant say when theres no idea what u can get warned and muted for the only way to find out is by accidently screwing uup and thats not fair to anyone and i know im not alone when i say that


I could agree a TOS statment should be posted on the home page.  If it is, I missed it just now when looking for it.  It's bedtime here, but 2morrow I will dig up several threads where HT stated his opinion re. vulgarity and profanity.  He has quite the low tolerance towards it.

On the topic of moderators, how DOES one become one?  What are the perks?  Free account etc?  I would be happy to volunteer my services (gawd help us) as a moderator.  I might have gotten mouthy in the past on chn 200, but ya' never saw me curse.  When I 1st started flying flight sims, I worked for AOL, and if I did a TOS violation in one of their games and got my work account locked (could fly free on work account) they got very ticked off.  So I kinda got in the habbit of watching what I said early on.  Be hard pressed to find anybody to say I behave poory when flying, well, except for the guys I kill over and over.  They prob. don't like me that much .

(opens arms wide for sniper) Now give us a big hug!  Are you my wittle guy? yes you are! yes you are! good boy!
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: sniper68 on April 22, 2005, 04:13:22 AM
ok so what HT posted on the forum HOW MANY PEOPLE NEW IN THE GAME ACTUALLY READ ALL THE FORUMS
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: killnu on April 22, 2005, 04:59:47 AM
they do seem to be a bit....selective.

had an issue i emailed about couple weeks ago now.  bad trend taking forming.

so, i was told mods log off and none will be on sometimes, then in game, Rod, said there is always a mod on, which is true?  Rod was pretty sure of himself...
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on April 22, 2005, 05:46:20 AM
But u still could say WTFG !! ??
:rolleyes:
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: Higgins on April 22, 2005, 06:27:21 AM
Yeah the automatic program made me chuckle the other day when I went to tell a guy "great fight".  His handle had the work **** in it, completely acceptable although I can't remember the squad name.  Something like "Fighting *****" ect.  so I tried to type "Great Flying ....****" and I got the ole warning and felt bad for a second before laughing at it.  Pretty sad HTC has to have that in there but unfortunately because of language jerks they do.

Higgins
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: CPorky on April 22, 2005, 06:52:41 AM
I have never been muted by a living person, and only once by the auto-moderator for using 'FAC'  (forward air controller) once in a sentence.

I honestly don't see the problem with the moderators. I've made some rather crude jokes without using descriptive language and I've still been ignored.

Again, I don't understand the problem (tho, I admit muting someone for STFU is a bit excessive). Its even funnier when you can say whatever you want in a foreign language and get away with it. I remember a certain Dutch pilot testing it continuously one night :)
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: DREDIOCK on April 22, 2005, 06:52:47 AM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
But u still could say WTFG !! ??
:rolleyes:


What a Totally Fun Game

Whats wrong with that?:)
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: CavemanJ on April 22, 2005, 07:27:33 AM
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Originally posted by sniper68
no i mean im egttin messeges on my screen ERROR sniper u like being alittle schoolboy dont u
if they got the balls to say stuff like that they should have the balls to say who they really are insted oif this incognito warnings and mutings

ghay stuff like that


been sayin it for years... the anonyjerks abuse thier power... once they get thier sights on ya they don't bother with others.

Best thing to do is screenshot when you get a box pop up like that from a mod, then email the screenshot in to skuzzy/HT.

These days I don't near as much anymore... and when I do fly, I don't use the readio much anymore.
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: Toad on April 22, 2005, 07:49:58 AM
What did Skuzzy already say? (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103670&highlight=language)

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Player:  Moderators get in the way of a nice fight once again, because I typed a 2 letter cuss abreviation in caps on ch1

SkuzzyOk, let me get this straight. You knowingly try to circumvent the language filter on channel one. The moderator calls you on it, and you come to the bulletin board to complain/troll about it?

Getting really tired of this

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What did Skuzzy say about language and kids in the game? (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115113&highlight=language)

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Skuzzy Post 1:  There is no reason or excuse for the use of derogatory, foul, or abusive language. None.
It is disruptive and there is nothing positive it will accomplish.

Quite the opposite, all it generates is more anger, frustration, contempt, and causes others that were on the edge to go over.

There is no reason children should not be able to sit with thier parents and watch this game be played. If you feel it is inappropriate, then I would say to you, you are inappropriate. You cannot surmise a situation where using profanity or other abusive language is either appropriate or positive.

Post 2: People, there is nothing wrong with discussing this issue. If you have a contribution, then make it, but please do not attack another member of the community who is making a civil attempt to discuss this point.

When you do that, you are no better than the cussing maniac who is online.

Havoc, if you accept that bad or questionable language is part of online gaming, you have already allowed it to be appropriate to do.

I do not accept it. I reject it. It is a conscious effort to use poor, abusive or derogatory language on the part of the person doing so. It is also the conscious effort by a person to not act in such a manner.

Just as you find being attacked in this thread objectionable, I find it objectionable for it to occur in the game. You either chose to do it, or chose not to do it. There is no gray area here.




And what about the creator of the game? What's his opinion?


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Hitech:After checking into it what Chairboy accutly said was somthing like, if Id say somthing like that , they would mute me instantly.

I.E. here he is online complaning that he has been muted to much. Well after talking to a number of modertors it apears they all hold the common perseption that Chairboy is a P.I.T.A

They were dealing with the situation, when you pipe up and ***** at them. I wouldn't have warned you had I known you freq. get warnings. Id have muted you.

Chairboy grow up, you complain about no specifices, well you are not doing that that because you want to follow the rules, sounds to me you just want to be able to skirt them.

When a monitor warns you he is explaining the rules to you. At that time you can eather addhear to them or get mutted. Its your choice.

And the resone they are not know, is very simply so I can deal with this crap, and not have them arguing with guys like you.

Funny thing is, i've never seen some one say, but that guy got away with it, with out being guilty and knowing they are guilty.

HiTech
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Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: moot on April 22, 2005, 09:03:12 AM
let's just say I'm not representative of "abusive moderators" complaining.
A long while ago there was one particularily meek moderator who wasn't being impartial, to say the least, but then again there was also Silat with his anonymous warnings, signed :{, which were much better than the rest of the mods.

Some things do piss me off, and I do take responsibility for the consequences of what I say/said.
That said I'll neither apologize nor pretend it was/is excusable.
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: Ohio43 on April 22, 2005, 09:41:48 AM
Just play nice.. I guarantee to wont be silenced.  I dont need a set of rules to figure that one out. Dont worry about other people are doing, you cant control that.
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: moot on April 22, 2005, 10:33:50 AM
it's the breach of civility that's the issue.
That same one which pisses people off trying for "courteous" dogfights, that same archetype of varying degrees that goes in forms varying from BK CV dogfights, DA cold merges, escorting a neutered enemy to his homefield, post-fight 's, etc.
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: Howitzer on April 22, 2005, 10:45:13 AM
BAN SNIPER AND HIS VULGAR, OPPRESSIVE WAYS!!!!


:p
Title: Abusive moderators
Post by: hitech on April 22, 2005, 10:57:38 AM
Sniper: ST*U is not exceptible in my opinion.

You were also warned twice 2 days ago,and it was followed by a mute.

I do  not belive it is the moderators who has a problem, appears more like you need to change your behavior.

Finaly, you come here, to try draw suport for a totaly unsuportible postion.

It realy simple, Play nice with others, and you will not have any problems.


HiTech