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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Big G on April 22, 2005, 02:37:50 PM
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Hey guys
I am currently sticking with the Seafire/MkV until I have mastered the basics of trying to last in a fight/Furball.
I have been chatting to a few other newbs and they seem to be going with the G10.
So what would the advantage be (or not) of switching to this plane ?
I'm trying to avoid constantly switching planes as I am not good enough yet to take anything up and win, so I guess the question would be why pick the G10 ?
Cheers
Big G
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G10 is in the top 5 fastest planes (non perked) in the game.
it turns decent when the gondolas are not loaded.
if you pick the 30mm cannon, 1-2 hits usually brings down a plane.
overall the gun package is better than the spit V
the climb rate of the G10 is one of the best in the game
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Originally posted by Big G
Hey guys
I am currently sticking with the Seafire/MkV until I have mastered the basics of trying to last in a fight/Furball.
I have been chatting to a few other newbs and they seem to be going with the G10.
So what would the advantage be (or not) of switching to this plane ?
I'm trying to avoid constantly switching planes as I am not good enough yet to take anything up and win, so I guess the question would be why pick the G10 ?
Cheers
Big G
Picking the G10 over the spitV? Better climb rate, better accelleration, more WEP, better guns (depends how you look at it), better fuel options. Downside to the G10 is: Doesn't turn well at all, you most likely don't want to get slow with a plane that can turn, compresses at 450, works best when you imply "slashing tactics" which if you are new, you probably don't fully comprehend how to do.
G10 will teach you patience and how to have "light hands" on the stick as you WILL snaproll it at about 175 mph if you try to turn hard. With the spit, you can just yank that stick around all day, and after you get used to flying it and switch to something else, you may have a hard time not stalling.
However, one more big downside of the G10 is if you start flying it consistently, you will attract the attention of those freakin JB luftwobble nerds and they'll want to assimilate you into their borg colony. You can be JB45 :D
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Originally posted by JB73
G10 is in the top 5 fastest planes (non perked) in the game.
it turns decent when the gondolas are not loaded.
if you pick the 30mm cannon, 1-2 hits usually brings down a plane.
overall the gun package is better than the spit V
the climb rate of the G10 is one of the best in the game
See... its happening already... :lol
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stay fast with the G10 you'll live longer!!
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Are you in a hurry? Going to be leaving us soon? Don't like the game? :)
If not and you plan on stayign here why not take your time and enjoy one bird for a month or two.
Ren
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Originally posted by Howitzer
However, one more big downside of the G10 is if you start flying it consistently, you will attract the attention of those freakin JB luftwobble nerds and they'll want to assimilate you into their borg colony. You can be JB45 :D
ROFLMAO
though did forget to mention the leather underwear that get shipped you your house after 100 sorties in a germam plane
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I started with the G10. I found that once you learn to handle the G10 it's easier to learn to handle other planes. Keeping it under compression usually isn't a problem, if you find yourself compressing in it just turn off combat trim, throttle back full and put elevator all the way up and she should snap back up easily. You get a huge amount of WEP in the plane also which rocks. The only problem I have had with learning to fly the G10 first is getting used to guns that aren't 30mm.. it fires much differently than the other weapons, but after realizing that I just switched to the 20mm package and got used to that. G10 for the win.
EDIT: In my opinion the G10 is a great starter plane. I've had people tell me to learn in a spitV first, but generally even in a spit a new player will get owned in a turn fight. I think using a BnZ plane to start with is much better as you will have alot more survivability in the MA and get more combat time in before you die, meaning you spend much less time traveling in autopilot to the base you want to get to. I personally think the more time in combat you get to see the faster you will learn. Flying a spit in a straight line for 5 mins just to get shot down 30secs after engaging doesn't do much for you at all.
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Originally posted by JB73
ROFLMAO
though did forget to mention the leather underwear that get shipped you your house after 100 sorties in a germam plane
I've been watching for the FedEx man all week. Wife can't wait! :D
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Originally posted by swift
EDIT: In my opinion the G10 is a great starter plane. I've had people tell me to learn in a spitV first, but generally even in a spit a new player will get owned in a turn fight. I think using a BnZ plane to start with is much better as you will have alot more survivability in the MA and get more combat time in before you die, meaning you spend much less time traveling in autopilot to the base you want to get to. I personally think the more time in combat you get to see the faster you will learn. Flying a spit in a straight line for 5 mins just to get shot down 30secs after engaging doesn't do much for you at all.
But to learn to fight you have to fight, no? BnZ is not 'fighting'. I guess it is a matter of taste/style but in my opinion you learn by dieing. Get a p40 or a Ki61 with 100% fuel. That should teach you, lol. Seriusly though, I don't see why you would die faster in a SpitV than in a 109G10.
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Originally posted by swift
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EDIT: In my opinion the G10 is a great starter plane. I've had people tell me to learn in a spitV first, but generally even in a spit a new player will get owned in a turn fight. I think using a BnZ plane to start with is much better as you will have alot more survivability in the MA and get more combat time in before you die, meaning you spend much less time traveling in autopilot to the base you want to get to. I personally think the more time in combat you get to see the faster you will learn. Flying a spit in a straight line for 5 mins just to get shot down 30secs after engaging doesn't do much for you at all. [/B]
I agree with you to a point swift. I was the Spit5 learner and was the guy getting owned every night. Now I can do my fair share of ownage after a little under 1/2 a year. Basically I think it comes out like this:
Spit: Die a lot more in the beginning but learn much faster
109: Live longer but learn slower since you can run from your mistake
Not saying one or the other is correct, just preference. If it works for you, then go with it.
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Hmmm...
Love the G10 and the F4. IMHO much of what these planes could do re manuvers in AH1 are now gone in AHII :(
For me one of the keys to the G10, or any 109, is learn to use the RUDDER!
In a dive if you roll the plane so one wing is high and apply rudder in the direction of the high wing you can prevent compression.
All 109's roll far better then they turn. If done properly the roll is a better manuver over the turn and can be a real advantage under certain circumstances.
Example: You want to go to the right roll LEFT with allot of LEFT rudder. Stop when you reach the point your trying to get to. And vs versa.
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Originally posted by dedalos
But to learn to fight you have to fight, no? BnZ is not 'fighting'. I guess it is a matter of taste/style but in my opinion you learn by dieing. Get a p40 or a Ki61 with 100% fuel. That should teach you, lol. Seriusly though, I don't see why you would die faster in a SpitV than in a 109G10.
You get to shoot a bit more BnZ, helps with gunnery IMO. And eventually you will lose alt, or more probable someone will come around in a higher plane and you can E/turn fight them. Learning to turn fight in a G10, IMO, makes learning angles/E states etc easier. Just my opinion though, and take it with a grain of salt. I haven't even gotten my first month in yet.
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I certianly love the German products, especially the 190's.
Though I tend to take the F variation, I believe it to be moe agile and suprise the prey. They will be expecting you in a G-10 so they will not see you able to turn. Suprise them!:aok
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as far as i am concerned...
if you want to learn ACM and be able to fight in any situation.. learn in a turnfighter. I learned in Hurricane IIC, the speed of the plane makes you anticipate your opponents actions and think of ways to get yourself close enough to the target for the shot.
You may die a lot at first, but you will have a lot of 'eureka!!' moments when you figure moves and techniques out - its a hell of a lot of fun.
Look for the nearest enemy CV and up a IIC up into the hoard, as much fun you can possibly have in AH imo.
Once you learn those moves you can adapt them and use them in ANY aircraft. Learning to BnZ from the start will just teach you bad habits.
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I am going to stick to the V or the IIc , I really want to learn and to be honest, flying these two really makes you think, I am hooking up with Fuzeman on Monday in the TA and so I will only get better (Someday lol)
Cheers guys
Big G
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Well to each their own! :aok
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Originally posted by Howitzer
better guns (depends how you look at it)
I see anything with hispanos as having the better guns. But, in terms of learning to shoot, that 30 mm will definitely teach ya to ration your ammo....
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Hey Big G, sorry for cherrypicking your G10. Keep it up, you'll get better!
:)
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Try the 109G-2 it gives almost what the G10 can do but unlike the G-10 it can Turn pretty well
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The G2 is much slower though, so don't expect to outrun anything but spitfires.
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However, one more big downside of the G10 is if you start flying it consistently, you will attract the attention of those freakin JB luftwobble nerds and they'll want to assimilate you into their borg colony. You can be JB45
LOL! Ya that was good Howitzer! :D But if it does happen Big G you are in an excellent squad. :)
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Agreed... its obvious just how many never learned how to turn fight with the 'on pass, haul a**' flyers in the MA.
In fact, there is a poster on this thread that flies a La7 that way, you engage him and he runs. Once you rev, he does the same. Real shame :(
Originally posted by Furball
Learning to BnZ from the start will just teach you bad habits.
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Personally.....
The best plane to start in is the F6F....you can fly it almost any way you want and you can kill anything else in the game. You'll score better faster in other planes....but you'll get better faster in an F6. When you look at the best sticks in the game you'll find they're F6 drivers (no disrespect to shane levi etc).
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Originally posted by CPorky
Agreed... its obvious just how many never learned how to turn fight with the 'on pass, haul a**' flyers in the MA.
In fact, there is a poster on this thread that flies a La7 that way, you engage him and he runs. Once you rev, he does the same. Real shame :(
sorry, i dont understand what you are saying... that aimed at me?
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No, absolutely not! There is someone else I was refering to...
Relax, I didn't intend to insult you, Furball. I know you're one of the more aggressive flyers. :)
Originally posted by Furball
sorry, i dont understand what you are saying... that aimed at me?
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Originally posted by CPorky
No, absolutely not! There is someone else I was refering to...
Relax, I didn't intend to insult you, Furball. I know you're one of the more aggressive flyers. :)
I AM RELAXED DAMNIT!! ;)
i just wasnt sure if you were aiming the original response at me because you had quoted me at the bottom.
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furby gets cranky when his sheep doesn't put out.
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Originally posted by humble
Personally.....
The best plane to start in is the F6F....you can fly it almost any way you want and you can kill anything else in the game. You'll score better faster in other planes....but you'll get better faster in an F6. When you look at the best sticks in the game you'll find they're F6 drivers (no disrespect to shane levi etc).
Wadke, now here's someone who knows what he is talking about ;)
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Originally posted by Furball
as far as i am concerned...
if you want to learn ACM and be able to fight in any situation.. learn in a turnfighter. I learned in Hurricane IIC, the speed of the plane makes you anticipate your opponents actions and think of ways to get yourself close enough to the target for the shot.
You may die a lot at first, but you will have a lot of 'eureka!!' moments when you figure moves and techniques out - its a hell of a lot of fun.
Look for the nearest enemy CV and up a IIC up into the hoard, as much fun you can possibly have in AH imo.
Once you learn those moves you can adapt them and use them in ANY aircraft. Learning to BnZ from the start will just teach you bad habits.
Very sound advice I think
Spend time learning TnB , do a little bit of BnZ and then move quickly on to E-fighting. Lots just get stuck at BnZzzzz
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Heck, most think BnZ is E-fighting, they dont even know there is a difference.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
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Spit: Die a lot more in the beginning but learn much faster
109: Live longer but learn slower since you can run from your mistake
Not saying one or the other is correct, just preference. If it works for you, then go with it.
I gotta agree, Dud. I started with the Dora, and didnt learn a lot for months. When I got bold enough to try the Spit, i began UNDERSTANDING the maneuvers I'd read about. I feel like I'm really just beginning to "get" AH, even though I've played for a year.
I've also found that the effects of learning energy fighting first can be subtle -- I find I tend to make my maneuvers far too "relaxed' because I subconciously am conserving energy like the old days....
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Once you learn how to turnfight, the same principles can be applied to any fighter. I believe that the temptation to run is too great when learning in a fast plane, which is fine until the person finds himself in a postition when he cannot simply put the nose down and escape. I cannot count how many times i've dived on a la7,D9,tiffie etc and they've attempted to run only for me to close to d200 and shoot them down.
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The G10 is NOT newb friendly. At all. It's a great plane if and ONLY if you know how to work the throttle / force overshoots. Neither of which a newb is likely to be capable of. I'd say stick to spits for a while.
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Diving out of a fight to escape while in a G10 is very nearly sucide IMHO.
Turn roll etc. but climb! Don't dive! The faster you go above 450/500 (depending on your starting alt) the less control response you have. Add in the fact that the P47, P51, spit, LA7, etc. actually turn and roll better then the G10 at really high speed.
As stated earlier learn the throttle and rudder and to turn or roll etc seeking greater seperation or seeking an in close overshoot.
Dive only for a little speed for a climbing turn/roll or evasive manuver.
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Originally posted by Grits
Heck, most think BnZ is E-fighting, they dont even know there is a difference.
B&Z is E fighting. However, it is only one form of E fighting.
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id have to say that for furballing the spit wins 9 out of 10 times over the 109
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2 totally different planes for different flying styles. You said "until I have mastered the basics of trying to last in a fight/Furball".
This has nothing to do with a G-10. It is an e-fighter.
For furballing fly the Spit5, Zeke or Hurri2. All of these are alot of fun.
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Originally posted by GScholz
B&Z is E fighting. However, it is only one form of E fighting.
Bore and snore has absolutely nothing to do with E-fighting. E-fighting is about pitting your energy state (or your planes ability to gain or lose energy quickly relative to theirs) against your enemies energy state and working it to your advantage.
BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum" that makes BnZ'ers feel better about what they are doing.
To the original question, I'd agree with others that the Spits or Hurricanes are good choices to stay with until you get some time under your belt.
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Originally posted by Grits
BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum"
Quoted statement repeated for further consideration in the discussion.
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Missing my first pass conserving energy I extend..
Originally posted by Grits
BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum"
Quoted statement repeated for further consideration in the discussion.
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Missing my second pass I extend..
Originally posted by Grits
BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum"
Quoted statement repeated for further consideration in the discussion.
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Having lost too much energy on the second pass and see I might not have the advantage if I reengage I extend..
Originally posted by Grits
BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum"
Quoted statement repeated for further consideration in the discussion.
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Originally posted by Grits
Bore and snore has absolutely nothing to do with E-fighting. E-fighting is about pitting your energy state (or your planes ability to gain or lose energy quickly relative to theirs) against your enemies energy state and working it to your advantage.
Wrong and right. Speed is perhaps the most important form of energy in air combat. Climb is second. 190s use superior speed to make slashing attacks; this is why they make poor 1:1 duelling planes. 109s use superior climb to make vertical slashing attacks and roping manoeuvres. 109s are excellent duelling planes. You may not like it, but B&Z is a form of E fighting, and the most used form of fighting in real life.
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I actually started off with the P51B. It took roscoroo to teach me the basics of the merge. After that, everything was easy.
Pick any plane you want to fly. Not necessarily a plane that is easy. In the process of having fun with the plane you love, you'll learn how to fly better then in a Spit 5 or in a 109G10.
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LMAO nopoop
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why JB 45? Aren't they up to 88?
Noobieguy is JB88.5, when he gets his official wings he's JB89?
How fast can he type "LMAO" and hit enter anyway?
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I flew a G-10 once.
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Originally posted by humble
Personally.....
The best plane to start in is the F6F....you can fly it almost any way you want and you can kill anything else in the game. You'll score better faster in other planes....but you'll get better faster in an F6. When you look at the best sticks in the game you'll find they're F6 drivers (no disrespect to shane levi etc).
yeah the f6f is a great plane. cod knows i cut my teeth in it in AW3 in both FR and RR. It's great here in AH2, too, just a tad too slow for my desire to have the ability to chase people down.
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Just fly the whole planeset.
If you can't make up your mind, throw a dice or toss a coin. I often do that.
The whole planeset will teach you a lot.
If you're moving from SpitV to 109, I'd recommend the F to begin with, then G2, them G10.
The F is very agile, while the G2 is somewhat faster and a good climber.
The G10 is fast, brilliant on the vetical, but a tad too stiff IMHO.
Best of luck!
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BnZ is not hit and run, it is hit and climb. I think some here are confusing it with TnB...