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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on April 24, 2005, 08:38:19 AM
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Outstanding stuff!
WTG Renault, Alonso an ofcourse FRANCE !! :)
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Showed that Schumacher is great when alone and against the clock, but when he needs to stick it, forget it.
Alonso, manhandled him - great stuff.
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Lol anyone thinking Schumacher isn't _the_ best racedriver ever in F1 history is a dimwit.
He has nothing to prove and he has broken almost every record in the history of the sport.
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Yup indeed.
MS had nothing to loose really and everything to gain, but he still didnt have the guts to overtake Alonso. Looked "easy" to keep MS behind for 12 laps.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yup indeed.
MS had nothing to loose really and everything to gain, but he still didnt have the guts to overtake Alonso. Looked "easy" to keep MS behind for 12 laps.
yup, that's pretty much it.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Lol anyone thinking Schumacher isn't _the_ best racedriver ever in F1 history is a dimwit.
Hehehe, Alonso driving the slowest lap in the race, letting back markers catch back up, and Schumacher still didn't have the balls to make a move.
Watched the best "Race Drivers" yesterday at the Nordschleife,
didn't recall seeing Schumacher there.
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Umm San Marino is one of the toughest tracks to overtake anyone. If the leading driver doesn't make a mistake the follower can't overtake him unless he has way faster car. Alonso didn't make a mistake under MS pressure so he kept his position through great driving.
Sure Schumi could have forced himself to overtake and knock both drivers out of the race in the process.
For some unimaginable reason he chose to take the points for the 2nd place. Crazy innit?
Watched the best "Race Drivers" yesterday at the Nordschleife,
Gee if that's all you know about F1 maybe it's better to refrain from posting.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Umm San Marino is one of the toughest tracks to overtake anyone. If the leading driver doesn't make a mistake the follower can't overtake him unless he has way faster car. Alonso didn't make a mistake under MS pressure so he kept his position through great driving.
Sure Schumi could have forced himself to overtake and knock both drivers out of the race in the process.
For some unimaginable reason he chose to take the points for the 2nd place. Crazy innit?
If Schumi wants to win this years championship the best thing he could have done was to take out Alonso even it it had not given him a single point.
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When he was younger he did that to Senna Nilsen. Maybe after several world championships he feels he can try to win one through fair play? :rolleyes:
How many people would you knock out at 200km/h knowing you'll fly to the wall along with him? :)
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No such thing as fair play in F1 mister ;)
Schumi is a timid driver these days, and his reign is over. He used to be decent driver in the most expencive car but thats history now. Now he is just driving an expencive car.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Gee if that's all you know about F1 maybe it's better to refrain from posting.
hehe, your pretty limited on racing aren't you. Educate me on F1
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Reign is over? Umm.. lets see.. He started from pos 13 and advanced to 3rd place during the first pitstop and 2-3 laps.
Yeah, his time is definately over.
And btw. I'm not even a MS fan, I just acknowledge the facts.
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He knew about the bump in the road just before the turn, and yet he was the only one that went off during qualifying this morning. Thats not something a true champion would do is it?
There is no doubt that he will get many points this season if they can get the ferraris reliable, but I thinks its to late for him to win the championship... to many good teams this year and Renault has proven to be the best team this year.
Schumi cant win anymore when he is not driving the best car. His teammate who has helped him to many of the championships is also showing his true weakness when the cars they drive are not alot better than the competion so no help there either.
I bet that in the next couple of races Raikkonens car will be reliable too and he will also fight MS and take points away from him.
As i said .. to many good teams this year, and Alonso has already gotten way to many valuable points. Even if MS should win all of the remaining races (wont happen) its enough for Alonso to get second places for the rest of the season to keep MS behind him in the overall. (almost anyway)
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So it goes..
Last season everyone moaned about MS because he ruled the series so bad that everyone was tired of watching the races in the end.
This season they slack with the car, MS makes a single mistake during qualifying and all of the sudden he's a has been.
I wouldn't be surprised if they agreed with MS to cut slack to the others just to make the series interesting. F1 was losing viewers fast because of one drivers reign over others.
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You pretty much got it right there Siaf. ;)
Alot of what i posted was wishful thinking, but it may still be the case. We will see, but mark this thread cause i dont _think_ MS will win this year but I dont think Alonso will continue to increase his lead over the competitors either.
It will be the closest season in years, and frankly that is a good thing imo. :)
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I don't wish this season to repeat the previous either. Wouldn't mind Räikkönen to beat the crap out of MS really.
But todays race proved once again what a great racedriver MS is and how dangerous tactician Ferrari is as a team.
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The last refueling strategy that renault pulled off was great too and prolly secured the victory.
I am very disapointed in fisichella tho, he was/is one of my favorite drivers but he has not followed up now that he finally is in a competitive team. One victory in 4 races is not bad at all, but in the other 3 races he has really let me down.
I hope Montoya can deliver too when he returns.
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yes it was a great raceing day!
to bad this thread ended up as a "anti Schumacher" thread,
so much happened during the race, alot stuff to discuss and
fill a F1 thread about the race today, unfortunately it failed.
Gh0stFT
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"Schumi is a timid driver these days, and his reign is over." Nilsen 24.04.2005
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lol ghost :D
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;)
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:D
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I'm no Schumacher fan but he had a great drive today. I don't see how anyone could have watched the race and thought anything else.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Lol anyone thinking Schumacher isn't _the_ best racedriver ever in F1 history is a dimwit.
He has nothing to prove and he has broken almost every record in the history of the sport.
Senna, Fangio, and Jim Clark. Screw it throw Mansell and Prost above him.
Karaya
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Crusty vagina > These BS rule changes...
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Senna, Fangio, and Jim Clark. Screw it throw Mansell and Prost above him.
Karaya
Oh yes. Mansell and Prost :)
(http://www.sennake.be/f1_wc/1993_01.jpg)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Crusty vagina > These BS rule changes...
New rules are great.. want more rules and regualtions!
F1 has never been this exciting and the rules are partly the reason.
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you dont become a 7 time world champion and triumph over all of the world best drivers 7 years in a row because your lucky or got the best car etc... schumacher is talented.
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although in watching them its hard to say whether he or say senna is better. senna just died sooner had he lived... Where is schumachers equal. senna had to contend with alan prost and betwen them they won six world championships. Poor mansell had to contend with both of them and scraped by with one. I always considered mansell almost as good as prost but more aggressive and prost just about equal in skill to senna but senna being a bit better becuse he was always willing to risk a bit more.
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No doubt that Schumi has/had talent.
Senna was a religious fanatic and belived god drove with him and therefore could do anything on the track. I guess its easy to drive like a nut when you belive that, but we all know what happened to him. Prost feared for his life and cared about the others on the track too and still managed to drive extremly well.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yup indeed.
MS had nothing to loose really and everything to gain, but he still didnt have the guts to overtake Alonso. Looked "easy" to keep MS behind for 12 laps.
lol Nilsen...I'm sure if he punted Alonso off you would agree with that gutsy tactic?
Originally posted by Masherbrum
Senna, Fangio, and Jim Clark. Screw it throw Mansell and Prost above him.
Karaya
Mansell, and Prost....Bollocks
Originally posted by MrCoffee
although in watching them its hard to say whether he or say senna is better. senna just died sooner had he lived... Where is schumachers equal. senna had to contend with alan prost and betwen them they won six world championships. Poor mansell had to contend with both of them and scraped by with one. I always considered mansell almost as good as prost but more aggressive and prost just about equal in skill to senna but senna being a bit better becuse he was always willing to risk a bit more.
Hakkinen has had Schueys measure, and I think even the psycholgical edge over schumacher...
if only Mika hadn't lost his desire and edge what a difference that may had made...and what a shame button-gate cost williams a mika drive this year.
Schumacher made everyone look ordinary in that race...even with a 20 sec lead Alonso looked vulnerable, and considering he trundled around in 13th for the first third of the race behind the trulli train his run before his pitstop and even more importantly the way he maintained his pace after his pitstop showed his class....
Great result for Button, and BAR...Webber outraced himself again...fantastic race
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Webber outraced himself again...fantastic race
Tronsky
Outraced himself? :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Outraced himself? :D
He's just all over the place in the williams this year...Malaysia was a perfect example...all he had to do was trundle around behind Fisi, and Fisi's tyres would've given webber the place a lap later...
Same last night, look how he took Sato at the start..magic, but later in the race tiny mistakes allowed Sato through...and that was the end for him...
Tronsky
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Great F1 race?
Is there such a thing?
;)
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Skydancer is a NASCAR fan!
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Nah
I was at Mallory Park watching this!
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/jpeg/227/4158338.jpeg)
;)
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oh bmx
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190mph BMX :aok :lol :lol :lol
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Schumacher is without a doubt the best TTer in F1, but racer, na.
Let's see, sits behind the pack, they pit, he goes like stink on a free track, pits, goes like stink again, and.............2nd. How many cars did he pass on the track, 1?
Schumacher can setup a car and qualify like no other, but in the pack, nix da.
It's no coincidence that they changed to the one car qualification.
Nilsen mentions new rules, you betcha, let's go back to more then 1 car qualification, no stops and a point for the qualify winner. Oh, get rid of the electronic crap, pop the clutch and shift again for christ sakes.
Yup, Masherbum has got it, Senna, Clark, Stewart, Hill, Prost, Mansell with the best drive ever in Brands Hatch.
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Mansell?
Gimme a break.
And Fangio pwn5 everybody on that list.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Mansell?
Gimme a break.
And Fangio pwn5 everybody on that list.
I didn't want to copy his whole list. Sorry Mansell still owns the best drive. If you want, add Ascari.
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folks, there is NO allmighty race driver, how can you
say fangio is better then lets say prost or senna
or schumacher, they didnt compete against each other,
so we will never know. What we know is there are
some racers who dominate the podium for a short period of time,
nothing more and nothing less.
I was a big Senna fan the time he was racing.
Now i'm Schumacher Fan, and maybe i would be Fangio or Clark fan if i where living that time.
But today we can compare Alonso with Schumacher, cuz they
are driving against each other. Of course Alonso first have to
gain a few more world championships to look at least like a racer
in teh shadow of Schumis 7 Titles ;) *g*
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Originally posted by -tronski-
He's just all over the place in the williams this year...Malaysia was a perfect example...all he had to do was trundle around behind Fisi, and Fisi's tyres would've given webber the place a lap later...
Same last night, look how he took Sato at the start..magic, but later in the race tiny mistakes allowed Sato through...and that was the end for him...
Tronsky
He's always been very mistake-prone. I think he's making progress though.
In the past, things like Sato passing him (and not leaving much room at all) and his bobble at Variante Alta would have resulted in a crash and DNF. Both times yesterday he lost position, but kept the car on the road.
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Your right you can't, but the old guys are still the "männers";)
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U.S. coverage of the race on CBS completely sucked. Can't wait to watch it on Speed.
I'm no Schumi fan, but that was an impressive drive. Even Schumi haters have to be impressed with the pass on Button.
Ferrari/Bridgestone obviously have gotten their collective act together and are faster than Renault. I wish Kimi would have stayed out to see how McLaren sized up - they also sure seemed to be much faster than Renault.
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yes i also wanted to see where Kimi & McLaren really stand,
to bad Kimi got that early out of race, it would be fun to watch
both (Alonso & Kimi) fight. Ferrari is doing much better now, but
the McLaren is incredible fast. McLaren could be the Joker this year. The F1 season 2005 just started...
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Wait until JPM gets back and McLaren have a real man at the wheel. :)
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Nah real men ride Motorcycles!
;) ;)
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Nah real men ride Motorcycles!
LOLOL thanks Funked! :rofl
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:lol Yeah funny!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
If Schumi wants to win this years championship the best thing he could have done was to take out Alonso even it it had not given him a single point.
Surely not. What, another "Schumi chop" for the highlight tapes? Sorry, seen that before.
Besides, he only does that in championship-decider races, didn't you know?
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
folks, there is NO allmighty race driver, how can you
say fangio is better then lets say prost or senna
or schumacher, they didnt compete against each other,
so we will never know. What we know is there are
some racers who dominate the podium for a short period of time,
nothing more and nothing less.
I was a big Senna fan the time he was racing.
Now i'm Schumacher Fan, and maybe i would be Fangio or Clark fan if i where living that time.
But today we can compare Alonso with Schumacher, cuz they
are driving against each other. Of course Alonso first have to
gain a few more world championships to look at least like a racer
in teh shadow of Schumis 7 Titles ;) *g*
My point was Schumacher is NOT the Greatest ever. Clearly, you feel the same way, as do others. Senna proved in 1993 that cars don't win races, sheer experience and talent wins races. He won 5 races in a "grossly underpowered Cosworth McLaren", especailly the race at Donnington Park.
He is the greatest driver I have ever see in person (1985), and ever will see.
Karaya
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Umm Senna is long dead and his success doesn't mean MS is any worse driver than he is.
Schumacher has achieved something that nobody ever in the history of the sport could achieve - not even close. Record after record gets broken.
I'm sure next someone will step up and tell Mohammad Ali was not one of the greatest boxers of boxing history because he lost fights in his late career.
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Your right Siaf, in 20 years maybe, generations who didnt saw schumacher live,
they will only see the statistics he left and we know that he broke
almost every record. What/how will this people talk about this "former
racer Schumacher"?
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I hate the treaded tires. Bring back the slicks plz.
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anyway..
It must really suck to be his little brother! :D Even Montoya could beat Ralfie.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Your right Siaf, in 20 years maybe, generations who didnt saw schumacher live,
they will only see the statistics he left and we know that he broke
almost every record. What/how will this people talk about this "former
racer Schumacher"?
Senna Pole position record, Wins from the Pole are likely never to be broken. He accomplished that within 10 years.
Karaya