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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wadke on April 25, 2005, 02:09:35 PM
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Morph vs Wadke
Was a blast, Many thanks to morph for the movie.
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T3H F6F (http://www.furballunderground.com/TehF6.wmv)
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Wow, thats an awsome fight. It was sooo close, and it went back and forth several times I thought "uh oh, this is it" and it wasnt. Great stuff Wadke and Morph.
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Nice! Great flyin - both of you! wow!
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ohhh I'll have to snag it tonight when I get home from work... maybe I can learn somthing... I need all the help I can get. :)
Or at least fly a faster plane so I can run away. :D
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Great fight.
But ya know, this is not how they did it in real life. Full flaps, gear out, throttled way back, etc...
I wonder if it's the simulations physics or the thousands of hours of combat experience that encourage fights like this?
g00b
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^ or the fact you can get up and grab a drink after fighting like that ;)
Nice fight, really nice quality of filming
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Nice Fight u 2 great flying on both your parts. I kept thinking thats it hes dead meaning Morp but he pulled it off lol anyhow great fight guys
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I blame the beer!!!
lol
Wadke owned my 51 in his F6 and man I'll tell ya he can fly it.
So i had to retire the 51 for the evning and play in his birdy.
I was pulling, as levi has put it, "kungfu out of my arse" to try and stay alive! lol.
That was without a doubt the longest fight i've ever had and ranks at the top as being the best or closest type of fight like that.
Excesive drinking aside, wadke was giving me more than just a run for my money.
I didnt even realize I wasnt using all my guns until after the fight and I looked at the film. lol
Wax... Picture me 6 or so deap into the case, with my face no more than 2 inches away from the screen dodging wadke's bullets. :D :lol
Some of the shots you think can be made in the wmv film really weren't posible at 80mph. The ahf film is much beter to show speeds and what not.
BK's PWN!!!!1:D
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WOW!
I got exhausted just watching that. It was a tremendous fight on both sides. I kept thinking "Yeah, I'd have been ded there...oh yeah, I would have been owned."
Beautiful. A real pleasure to watch!
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Id like to see two guys go at it after a few keg stands....
That would be priceless...
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Morph, Wadke seemed to own the flyin and E, (granted in his "bird") but that is the way you do it! Eventually, you got your shots and took advantage of them. That was a good one! Nice job to the both of you! :aok :cool:
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wadke and barry white??? where is the kleenex!
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Very impressive guys!
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Good fight guys, never seen anything like that before.
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Originally posted by g00b
Great fight.
But ya know, this is not how they did it in real life. Full flaps, gear out, throttled way back, etc...
I wonder if it's the simulations physics or the thousands of hours of combat experience that encourage fights like this?
g00b
I've figured that the biggest factor keeping this type of fight out of real life are the other planes. These types of fights don't often happen in the MA let alone real life on account of the pickers.
There are real life maneuvers built around getting a little slow. I saw a great documentry on the wings channel a year or so ago where a Phantom pilot was describing his dogfight with a Mig (I think the phantom pilot was Randy "Duke" Cunningham, after searching google a bit. But I'm not entierly sure), where they went into a verticle scissors, and the American pilot won the fight with a throttle cut.
There were also two scenes in Top Gun depicting overshoot fighting. When Tom Cruise left his wingman to chase down his instructor the instructor used a high barrel roll which Tom followed in lag to stay back. There was also the more memorable scene in the end with the throttle cut while pulling vert.
Anyway, meh.
-p.
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Here's a game, but due to the internet you'll need to play it on honor. Every time you win a fight your reward is to drink a shot or beer. Usually after the first 8 or 9 fights things start getting pretty even.
-p.
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Morph you have the same problem when flying drunk as I do. You cut your verticle part of the rolling scissors too short when you get ahead, probably from the desire to maintain visability on your opponent. If you held your nose up a moment longer on each iteration OR cut throttle more when nose down you'd have won much earlier.
-p.
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Great video. Good job guys.
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I dont want to take away from Wadke's flying at all P.
He is one bad man in that F6. He really knows how to fly it, and fly it well.
Regardless of how much I had to drink lol.
I see alot of mistakes I made in that film. Which is the beauty of the film itself. To learn.
I noticed what you meantioned among other things. Small adjustments I can make on 1st and 2nd merge and also to USE all 6 50s most of all.
The big thing we go in there for is fun. When there's a bunch of us in there, there's always some awsome fights to be had. And the dumber you fly sometimes the more fun it gets. For me, i have alot of fun with my dumbness! :P
Also found a few things about the F6 I'll have to work on. For one it doesnt hold E like other planes I fly. And it wont go vert well with not much E to work with. Im talking 140mph or so.
Taking a 38 and flipping it end for end at a near dead stop or taking it by the rudders and and swapping ends, is alot easier to do than in an F6 I've found haha. Again, thats the beaty of getting your butt beat up by a guy like Wadke. Who knows the F6 alot better than I do.
School was in session that night for me. hehe
Wadmaster being the teacher! :eek:
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Morph you should try out rudder pedals...they would have made half of those shots deadly.
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I have been talking alot about them lately. Talked with Nath and Levi about them. I would like to try them the problem is after all the years of using just a regular joystick with twist rudder, i am almost afraid to change over to peds.
Also for the price of the CH gear now, if i didnt like them... i'd be out all that money for nothin. 8(
Im sure sooner or later I will fold and end up with them but the change will be tough I'm sure.
Thanks for the tip tho.
What imporvment's are you speaking of btw? Im quite curious as the the advantages/disadvantages with pedls.
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There are no disadvantages to pedals, other than it will take you a few weeks to get used to them. I cant beleive you do what you do now without them.
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When I went to pedals I had about a month of just horrible trouble getting used to them. Now that I've made the adjustment I wouldn't go back. I pretty much took a leap of faith and bought the CH setup sight unseen and I'm happy I did.
Great film guys finally had a chance to look at it.. found myself talking to the screen a lot... I'd love to get my hands on the unedited (read .ahf) format so I could hear the stall horn and such (does it even play in the film viewer? I can't remember) several times I noticed I was thinking oh if he only moved his nose a half inch more... then I'd realize that you probably couldn't but without the audio feedback from the FM it was hard to really see what was going on.. also I'd love to be able to hear the throttle adjustments, flap manipulation.
Finally I'll have to let either one of you fine gents kick me around a little in the DA in the F6F. I need some pointers.. I feel like I've leveled off and I"m not learning much anymore. I can beat the rabble more often than not but I get my butt handed to me by the vets. :)
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nice vid.
You could always pay $80 for a Thrustmaster Afterburner 2...has a throttle with a rocker switch for the rudders. Flip a switch, and you're right back to twist stick.
Flying has been much more fun after dumping the regular twist stick for it.
Don't like it? Take it back...tell 'em the hat switch is broken.
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looks like he finnal got tired of going around and around and finnaly just leveled out a bit to get some e and waited for morph to get in front of him.
good fight though, those types that last that long, i ussually start saying to myself, god when will it end.
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The disadv with pedals is that you need to keep your feet on them.
I like to pull one leg up in under me when I sit infront of the computer. I dont really like sitting with my feet in one place all the time.
Guess Im just too much of a comfyoldfart.
Rocker paddle rocks though.
Tex.
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Originally posted by g00b
Great fight.
But ya know, this is not how they did it in real life. Full flaps, gear out, throttled way back, etc...
goob, i have an account by a b26 pilot that witnesses a p51 vs. 5 fw190's on the deck. the pony driver gets them all ,the last by dropping everything and causing the 190 to spin in,in a stall fight around a hill. its an incredibly cool story ,i'll post it sometime if i can type it all.
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Originally posted by Larokkit
Originally posted by g00b
But ya know, this is not how they did it in real life. Full flaps, gear out, throttled way back, etc...
Neither is the situation here really compearable to RL.
A totally isolated fight between two planes with no danger of any interuption and the two planes beeing exactly identical, that never ever happened.
Tex
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That was frigg'n sweeeeeeet!
I haven't yelled at my screen like that in ages! Thanks for sharing guys!
:aok
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Morph,
There's something about controlling separate inputs with your feet. With a twisty stick you're using your hand to control your pitch and roll while also trying to precisely position your rudder(ie guns) onto a target. Rudder pedals allow you to use your feet to guide your bullets while using your hand for ACM. I think it makes everything alot easier and you will find yourself making impossible shots at one time or another. Atleast I did.
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Thanks for the info again Leftfoot.
I will have to start looking around more for a good deal on the CH gear. Altho the prices all seem to be close. And not a cheap investment either.
I'll most likely end up getting them soon.
Thanks for all the comments on the films guys. It was only a matter of time and ping after ping on each of our planes before someone went down.
Wadke was just in the right place at the right time or wrong place at the wrong time for me to get a solid hit on his wing.
And yes, after the fight I needed an everything break... Drink, bathroom, drink, snack,another drink, mental and a short nap break before i could fly again.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I will have to start looking around more for a good deal on the CH gear. Altho the prices all seem to be close. And not a cheap investment either.
Amen on that!! I've never spent that much on a stick/throttle, let alone on a rudder pedals system!
While I know it'd be waaaay better than the twisty stick I have, I just can't afford such things. I am forced (like many) to make-do with twisty-stick-action.
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I use MS Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 just to say.
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pffft... sticks schmicks...
I've invested a four digit number of US dollars in my HOTAS setup, and I still suck.
Please fix this bug in AH! I'm beaten by ppl who fly with their keyboard for crying out loud! It's a bug, BUG I tell ya.
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Try E-bay Morph. I got my rudder pedals for $64 all said and done. I just happened to have that amount set aside for a treat. They aren't USB but all I had to do was buy a converter at RadioShack for $16 and I was set.