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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fscott on June 04, 2001, 11:19:00 PM
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I hope your all ready! Over at the WWII Online site several beta testers have come forward now and are letting everyone know about the secretive closed beta that's been going on. In a word, AWESOME, and nothing like the bad rumours we've all been hearing from the nay-sayers. Go check out the message board. There is one very long thread where many of the testers have been giving some insight. Here is just a snip from one tester about the sound effects...
"The sounds and sound engine are amazing... Doppler shifts, and speed of sound are all in there. You can shell a city, and the muffled explosions will reach you several seconds later. Very realistic. It's not rare to see the round that kills you fired long before you hear it.
Planes zooming past, engine pitch rising and falling as they both approach and receed from you. Very impressive, and very immersive."
fscott
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That's great, I wish them much success.
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It's like all new games:
1. Hype
2. After released, WOW, incredible, I love this!!!
3. After 2 weeks, this sux,why can't we have.., this should be...,this is not accurate... etc etc
4. I'm leaving, GL
Anyway good luck to wwiiol.
It's interesting to read wwiiol forum during next month or so.
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Get your sheep in! dood is back (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Ya prolly had to play brand W long time ago to get the joke.
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OhNooo
Smile Awhile
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I'm waiting for the open beta test with paying customers to be completed before I look into it.
Also, I have *reliable* reports that the Fm as it stands "leaves something to be desired....simplistic in nature".
Might be fun for ground warfare though.
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Baron StSanta Von GrossenArsch
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Originally posted by fscott:
You can shell a city, and the muffled explosions will reach you several seconds later. Very realistic. It's not rare to see the round that kills you fired long before you hear it.
sounds like lag to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've heard the hardware requirements are way up there. To be expected as it is trying to be everything to everybody...
Eagler
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CC. I've seen many beta tester come out saying WW2O is awesome. I've still heard many testers say the flying part sux and so does the program in many, many ways./
So far the positive posts that I've read told of thier expereience of being a grunt or vehicle driver. No one but Vila or DocDoom has been enthusiastic about flying here. And that is where my interest lay.
Kind of funny though in that if someone who is in closed beta posts something negative they are branded a troll, a liar and should not be litened to. But if they post positively there they are heralded! scophants RULE! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I wish them luck. As a FPS MMPOG it's a wrap. Not much can beat it, well unless the the graphics stay as they are. A year ago I thought they would have had the entire online world by the balls. I'm not so naive any longer.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy MOL (edited 06-05-2001).]
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StSanta, there is no open beta.
fscott, where is this thread you speak of? I am unable to find it.
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There will be a free 30 day trial online for those who purchase the software.
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50$ is hardly free Rip. ;-)
I look at it this way: You can d/l and try out AH for 2 weeks, free 8 person H2H thereafter and all the time you want to fly offline... (it's actually kind of fun to tool around sometimes)
You MUST buy and try the software for WW2Ol for whatever the going rate is (I've heard as low as 35$ and as high as 50$), if it sucks you *MIGHT* be able to return it.. depending where you purchase it from.
So I don't really look at it as free at all, but that's just me.
:-)
-SW
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I think he meant a free open beta test where you could download the game without buying it first. Not gonna happen. Pay your $40, and if you down't like it take it back.
fscott
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"There will be a free 30 day trial online for those who purchase the software."
I think of it more like the first month is 40-50$(?) and then 10$ for any of the following. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by fscott:
I think he meant a free open beta test where you could download the game without buying it first. Not gonna happen. Pay your $40, and if you down't like it take it back.
fscott
Thks Fscott, thats what I did mean. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, one thing is certain.
In a short time you can find out for yourself.
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My testing of the game will be free. ok, not totally free. It will cost me the gas money to travel about a mile to my friend's house who already reserved his copy! He's having his wisdom teeth out today, actually he should be finished by now, so all I have to do is make him take his pain killer, and he'll be out like a light! Free trial evening for me tomorrow!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I heard from several beta-testers that the FM is terrible, 109's can turnfight spit's and all planes act as unnatural as WB's 2.77. Seems the aerial combat isn't quite on par with the ground combat, eh?
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Thud1/Bies
Bring the Hurricane (MKIIC) to AH! (together with the Invader!)
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FM's are always a hot topic, but I think it comes down to ones taste...'it feels right' type attitude. WW2 Online boasts realistic gameplay, (ie. no direct 6 views, etc) so again, its up to the consumer to determine if the FM is correct to their standards of immersion, gameplay.
How's that for a politically correct answer? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Perfectly "PC" Ripsnort (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Which is why Air Warrior is still the best around. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
- Westy
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LOL westy!
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I keep hearing this phrase.." .. heard from several beta testers that say the FM is terrible (porked, chopped, bad, horrible, not realistic..)..."
I've heard from many folks who say that AH's fm is horrible, terrible, bad, porked.. Heck I've even had my complaints about the E retention, torqueless modelling. So really, it's up to the individual as Ripsnort says.
What gets me is those who are so quick to ditch WW2Online based upon what a few of their "close friends" said. If' I'd listened to my "close friends", I'd never had played AH in the first place.
fscott
[This message has been edited by fscott (edited 06-05-2001).]
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I think that most people are just tired of people coming to the AH boards with their pom-poms to cheer about another product that they haven't even seen yet.
"What gets me is those who are so quick to ditch WW2Online based upon what a few of their "close friends" said."
What gets me is those who are so quick to praise WW2OL based upon what a few people said on their boards (violating their NDA apparently).
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Touche Mickey. Good observation and dead on I might add.
[This message has been edited by Apache (edited 06-05-2001).]
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Double post (stupid back button)
[This message has been edited by Mickey1992 (edited 06-05-2001).]
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If the $40 is a big bite out of your wallet, I very strongly advice looking at first impressions before purchasing.
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OUCH! Another HO kill by Fatty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Westy
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Thud: Actually I've read from several places that the 109 outturned spitfire at _low_ speeds because of the slats used in its wings. At high speed situation was reversed and spitfire outturned it easy.
That's not how it happens in Aces High atm.
IMO all LW planes are porked intentionally in Aces High, to show less performance than their real-life counterparts did.
This doesn't mean WW2OL FM is accurate however..
There has been a lot of AW folks ranting on the board about their superior FM which resembles WW2OL one..
[DrEvil]Riiiiight[/DrEvil]
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Did you just nominate yourself as a Guinea Pig Fatty?
THANKS! (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/realhappy/luxhello.gif)
-SW
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy:
Thud: Actually I've read from several places that the 109 outturned spitfire at _low_ speeds because of the slats used in its wings. At high speed situation was reversed and spitfire outturned it easy.
I hope this is a joke...
The slats helped low speed stability, it did not help the 109E turn inside of the Spitfire. At high speeds the 109E turned inside of the Spitfire, at low speeds the opposite was true.
-SW
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Well..regardless, could this explain why the 109E outturns the Spit in WW2 Online, according to some "close friend beta testers" ?
If we wanna start talking about flaws in the FM, it doesn't take long to find numerous threads pointing out the issues with AH's FM. Yet everyone is content to pay $30 a month, even those who are not satisifed with the fm. The point being, WW2 Online will have it's flaws, but it's theatre wide gameplay is enuff for me at least to not ditch it until I've tried it.
fscott
[This message has been edited by fscott (edited 06-05-2001).]
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I'm just saying it's a misconception that the 109E's slats allowed it to turn inside the Spit Mk1 and Mk2 at low speeds.
Other than that... <shrug>
-SW
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Dunno about flight model, or the grunt perspective, or the sounds. But, all around, it sounds like a fun game to try out. If it sucks, well, take it back. Or, hang in there as they unviel patches, updates, etc.
For what its worth, I'm going to try it. $40 at the local EB, I beleive. Big deal. I drooled and savored for Falcon 4 for ages, and my first flight in it, the gear crunched on me (fixed in later updates). So, we'll just have to see. They are striving to appease a large audience, grunts, tank drivers, fighter pilots and bomber dweebs. I'm sure all parties will have some Pros and Cons to list.
WWII OnLine wont replace AcesHigh on my desktop, just be part of a great collection of cool games (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So, what say we wait til the silly game hits the shelves, shall we?
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Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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"IMO all LW planes are porked intentionally in Aces High, to show less performance than their real-life counterparts did."
I've heard that roadkill in AW, WB's and in AH. What is more pathetic is that some really believe it.
As for flaws in FM? You'll find them no matter where you go. But IMO there is a big difference between unintentional errors like the Tiffie roll rate or P-47D-11 being 300lbs light in comparison to glaring errors such as been reported by many closed beta testers. And Mo said in his last sitrep that the FM's were done and there would be no future tweaking. What you see is what you get basically.
Good luck getting CRS (or iEN, EA or Microsoft for that matter) to re-evaluate fm data for errors as HTC has.
Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy MOL (edited 06-05-2001).]
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Ok,ok, who cares about the FM,GEEZ!!! I want to know if the soldiers on the ground can dig a foxhole, take their boots off to dry their socks and go behind a tree and pee?.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy:
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IMO all LW planes are porked intentionally in Aces High, to show less performance than their real-life counterparts did.
[DrEvil]Riiiiight[/DrEvil]
You're going to have to throw better bait in the water than that, son.
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Actually, I don't think WWIIOL is one you can take back. I'm pretty sure when I bought Ultima Online from EB, they said that the return policy didn't count on that game because it's account based, or something. Same thing will probably hold true for WWIIOL, especially since the game comes with a unique key to open an account. Once you use the key to open your account, the key can't be used by anyone else. So it kinda makes it hard for retailers to just shrink wrap it and resell it. I might be wrong though. At any rate, make sure your retailer will accept a return on the box if you're thinking you might be returning it.
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<brings forward the calculator>
Ok lesse im an bit drunk again but what the hell (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
40$ downpayment for the box.
10$ an month
ok hmmmm, 6 months of WWIIOL play will cost me an total of 100$
Now 6 months of AH will cost me 180$
Hmmm this pricing issue is an valid one right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I believe there is a cost for the theaters as well. $100.00+.
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There's a price tag on everything Apache. New theaters, new releases (ie: Battle of Britain as opposed to Battle of France, prolly another 30$), special arenas or something along those lines.
There's just more than meets the eye.
-SW
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ROFLMAD!
ok ok im getting what you are saying lol!!!
Regards.
Maniac <--- takes his ball and heads for home
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Peace.
In a very short time, the situation will become much more clear.
You've all waited this long; what's another day or two?
I will make this unabashed guarantee:
Some will like it. Some will be indifferent. Some will not like it.
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Originally posted by Toad:
Peace.
In a very short time, the situation will become much more clear.
You've all waited this long; what's another day or two?
I will make this unabashed guarantee:
Some will like it. Some will be indifferent. Some will not like it.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
One more day!!! One more day to blindly speculate about this and that of the game! c'mon Toad, don't cheapen or take that away from us!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Seems to me like very controlled leaks.
Seems to me if your breach leans to the frothingly positive they look the other way.
Rats could just let'er rip and release all beta testers from their NDA's. I'd like to hear from a broader representation.
Its usual to loosen the noose after release to gold. I can't image why its been so important to keep things quite this long.
Oh well, you can go buy it tommorow fscott. Let us all know how you like it. I wait in anticipation for you review.
Regards,
Wab
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Kinda sux when Toad keeps tossing a bucket of sand on the embers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-W
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Originally posted by 1776:
Ok,ok, who cares about the FM,GEEZ!!! I want to know if the soldiers on the ground can dig a foxhole, take their boots off to dry their socks and go behind a tree and pee?.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyone have a burnt copy they wana sell for cheap <GDR>
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I believe the reactions will be the same as one that flies WB's and one that flies AH, or EAW, or FA, or AW...that is, whatever software that make YOU feel like realism,immersion factor, is going to be what you like, what you promote.
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Looks like the WW2OL website is down like usual. If the game reliability is of same level, good luck to all of you who purchased LOL.
Ripsnort: I said IMO, and I think I'm entitled to my opinnion despite of the likings of one Ripsnort.
This 109 outturning spit thingy came from an article with an interview of some german ace (whose name I don't recall right now.)
Seemed odd to me too I have to admit.
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You'll be too busy with other "aspects" of the flying realm to notice the flight model.
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(is that vauge enough?)
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Ripley, the other thing that could be possible is, initial vs sustained turn rate.
At speeds, just about any, some planes will pull sharper into a turn (ie: initial) but will lose the velocity and energy required to keep themselves in this state. Thus a sharp initial turn (which is where the slats would help).. however in a sustained turn, the slats would prove to slow it down (more drag than a clean wing) and don't increase the wing area enough to make it turn inside of a Spit Mk1 or Mk2 in a sustained turn.
-SW
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Absolutely Jigster!
"Descent" did the same thing a few years ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
(j/k! But I'll be quiet now out of respect for those whose efforts over two years are about to come to fruition)
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No open beta plus you have to shell out money just to get the game on your computer. No way to personally tell if you're gonna like the game without giving them money or finding a buddy who's willing to give them money sight unseen.
At least with AH and WB I can download it and try it offline first. Why are so many people desperate to shell out cash based on nothing but advertising and rumors?
Thanks, but I'll wait.
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So, Koala, you download and try every game before you buy it? Maybe hit the Warez sites, or such?
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You needn't run to underground FTP sights for playable demos. Most games put them up front at the top of their home page, knowing that people will find it enjoyable enough to go out and purchase their product.
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Well, I'll let all you folks know tomorrow morning ASAP when my copy arrives. It's been shipped next day air, only 150 miles away from my town. Hm..maybe it'll come tonight at 1:00 am...
I'm sure there will be a training aspect or something else that will let me fiddle with the planes and such, if not then all you "wait and see's" will have to..uhm..wait and see...
fscott
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You guys gotta admit the AH download try and if you like buy is great. Maybe there is a premium for $30 a month. But I'd prefer to shell out $30 on something I know I like.
I think over time more and more games will go like this. It gets over issues like unhappy customers, refunds, returns etc. And lets admit, even AH is not everyones cup of tea.
In the early WB/CK days net news advertising etc was not as prevelant. Now companies have matured it is a lot easier to push your product down the net without have a box. Look at the amount of demos you can download and later register to enable a full working version.
WWIIOLs decision to not go this way is interesting. Certainly helps the image having a boxed product. But if all does not go well it could be more of a hinderance than a help. But thats their business not mine.
Imagine if AH had been boxed in the late beta days, it would have caused a lot of logistical problems for HTC dealing with unhappy customers and product returns. In using net distribution HTC took a path which left a lot of space for 'issues' to get resolved easily, and also mean't if peoples expectations weren't met - disappointment levels were not high (or exxagerated by cash forked out). Same goes for Warbirds.
I think the next few months will be interesting times. At the end of the day I've come to appreciate HTCs way of doing business a lot more. I'd taken AH for granted in some aspects until recently.
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It will all be clear tomorrow, and the following days.
The best way to approach it is with no expectations one way or another, and if so, you are bound to find it fun.
Then again thats good advice for anything, so I guess I'm being PC again.
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Gadfly,
I either download a demo, try a beta, or read the reviews of fellow gamers before I shell out money on a game. Not sure why you bring up the warez thing unless that's a typical practice of yours. Tsk tsk.
What I don't do is throw money at something based on nothing, and so far we have pretty much nothing regarding this game. If not an open beta they could have at least let us download the software to try in offline mode. They won't even do that. Why would I just give them my money at this point? Why would anybody?
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What do you think of this pic?
(http://wwiio.rpgnews.net/sshot12.jpg)
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I think that pic is gonna deliver 5-10fps when you get near combat, on a PIII-600, 256Mb PC133 SDRAM, and a Geforce 2MX, at 1024x768.
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Here's my question.
Remember how WWIIOL was shown as a shinning beacon in the night, and so superior to AH, because it was MULTI-PLATFORM? Remember the bashing AH took from all the Mac guys? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) And it was promised as a simultaneous release?
So when your in the store today buying your copy, just count how many box's of the Mac version you see (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) (I'll clue you... NONE, Mac didn't make release yet)
Oh and for all you guys outside the US, your in the same boat. Strategy First, hasn't even made the distribution deals yet for outside the US/Canada.
*Proud Member of the "Damned 200", a big hint for you* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
I think that pic is gonna deliver 5-10fps when you get near combat, on a PIII-600, 256Mb PC133 SDRAM, and a Geforce 2MX, at 1024x768.
I got a system almost identical to the one wich you describe. I got a K7 700mhz instead of the PIII 600. The rest is identical.
Offline I got 25-27fps with full detail (yes, you can set the detail level lower or higher), but antialiasing option turned off. That was in in a version already well old, wich means that (letting aside that CRS has been working on improving the FPS) online the FPS wont fall under 10-15Fps. I repeat, CRS,AFAIK, has been improving Framerates lately.
I was flying AH for 8 months at 10-12FPS and I loved it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). So, I'm pretty ready to test it out with a Framerate of 10-15FPS.
Now I only have to wait for them to ship it to europe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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RAM, thats very nice for offline performance.
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Janneh, it looks like AW-3. Honestly. It's not very impresssive in this day and age. Although even AW-3 didn't have a HUD but also did not have trees as nice as those in WW2O.
In general, I personally could care less about seeing my arm move the stick when the gauges do not work in a regular line of sight view.
But as Jigster and SO many said, if you have no expectations it will be ok. The problem for me is I do have expectations and they are based on two years of company hype. I do expect them to meet the bar they themselves set that they would meet. Today, with the $40/box. Not six mos from now and not next year. A box purchase of $40 should be for a finished product "Blitz" should have been done, with the navy and everything else they said it would have had. It should not be a literal loan so they could get it "there" sometime over the next year.
-Westy
[ 06-06-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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Member of the "Damned 200"!
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Looks a bit like EAW.
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I'm not impressed with the fact that the dials are not instantly visible - that is completely crap. Do they even move without pressing a key to look at them? What were they thinking?
Although the graphics look ok in screenshots, I wonder how it will run online.
Lastly, the fact that the UK cannot even get hold of a copy from the US's biggest game's distributors (EB), whereas if you live in any other European country you can, is very ironic. Considering one of the major combatants is Britain. ;)
As for the FM, I was reading all sorts of bollocks over there. Even claims that the Stuka can out turn the Spit.
I'll guess I'll be waiting a couple of months until some of the bugs are squashed. Hopefully the ideas and concepts behind it will shine through the problems.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
I'm not impressed with the fact that the dials are not instantly visible - that is completely crap. Do they even move without pressing a key to look at them? What were they thinking?.
I agree with that, dowding. The gauges indeed move but are not very clear. There is a key to "look" at the instruments, but I think that the dials should be better readable directly from standard view,but once you get used to it is not that bad. (tho it could be way better)
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Hey Westy!
Don't get me wrong, I don't like it either and I'm not going to WWIIOL, I'm perfectly happy here :)
I posted it just because I haven't seen those kind of pics from WWIIOL yet.
<S>!
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Oh, no problem Janneh. I was honestly only commenting on the screen shot, of which there's a little shortage of these days from the air segment of the game. Plenty of ground pounding sceen shots which just didn't get to Panzer Elite's level after all :(
To be honest you (*or anyone) shouldn't ever feel guilty going elsewhere if that is where you find your fun. Those who choose to fart first and then run get the response they deserve though :)
-Westy
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Looks a bit like EAW.
That was my thought exactly. Looks almost exactly like EAW's 3D cockpit mode, only with unreadable instruments and no useful HUD containing flight info to compensate.
-- Todd/DMF
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Psst, I was flying that Stuka... :D
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Well the beta testers did have the patched version... I'm aobut 75% through the patch download... I am not impressed with WW2ONLINE straight from the CD.. The start up time is awfull and the graphics are far below AcesHigh. I cant use the HAT on my MS PP stick like I can with every other sim I have... All I can say is that the patch had better work or back the game goes.. opened the box at the seams..... Anyway I hope it works because the size and scope of this game if it works will be awsome!!
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spit's and all planes act as unnatural as WB's 2.77
LOL
And how does AH torque factor compare to WB 2.77?
Oh that`s right, AH has no torque and is perfectly natural and 100% realism. :D
Anyone can pick apart any sim.