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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Redd on April 28, 2005, 07:03:26 AM
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no contest , Hell kitty is dead meat . This contest is so lopsided it should never take place in the CT
just saying ;)
Ki84 vs F4u , way too lopsided as well, Should never take place in the CT
Maybe if both sides flew the same planes things would be easier ;)
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Dunno Redd.
I've always thought the Hellcat was the best kept secret in AH. It stands up well against the N1k2, especially if the George pilot gets lazy or sloppy. If I'm fighting N1's in a US Plane I'll take the Hellcat any day. FM2s are not bad ethier.
In a Corsair I dont stand a chance against a cloud much less a KI-84.:eek:
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We never tested out the 2 F6F's vs 1 Niki or 2 F4U's vs 1 Ki-84 just like it is normally in the CT. We never got to do the 20k F4U circling a base waiting for Ki-84's to launch then drop in to B n Z...
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Actually you should have titled this Spit5 vs ANY 109
So don't go basing your opinion on one fight, though you had several fights agianst various people flying 109's against the way over modeled uber silly spit5. The 109G10 should just dominate it hands down no question but it doesn't... right redd? :D
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FM2 pwns the Niki.
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flew the kitty a little in the MA last night. I had no problem killing spitVs even as i held my rockets. I didn't get to fly it against any N1K2s but the spit driver was someone who i consider to be more proficient at this game than i. i was able to best him by lasering him and extending it took me three passes. i think the kitty may actually rule, then again it is allied.
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The two biggest nightmares of the hellkitty is the SpitV and the Nikki.
I can beat any other plane on a regular basis but not these two.
The Spit is actually the lesser problem of the two as you can extend from it. It aint as easy as it might sound, you really need to disengage in the right moment or you wount make the extention as the spit will catch you in the accelleration part.
The nikki is another story. The nikki basicly does everything the F6F better. Personally I cant kill nikkies at all flying the kitty unless I jump em from behind. In a 1v1ish situation no way I can do it.
This said I belive they should be in the same theatre (nikki and f6f that is) because combat isnt about the 1v1 situation its about making the best out of every situation. F6F pilots should not fight 1v1 vs nikkies but create 2v1 situations.
Creating a 2v1 situation doesnt mean hoarding. It means coordination between the pilots. You can create a 2v1 situation in a 2v3 fight.
Tex
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Originally posted by VWE
Actually you should have titled this Spit5 vs ANY 109
So don't go basing your opinion on one fight, though you had several fights agianst various people flying 109's against the way over modeled uber silly spit5. The 109G10 should just dominate it hands down no question but it doesn't... right redd? :D
I think I had enough fights to clearly understand the the difference between the planes, and truthfully none of it came as a surprise , I knew what the outcomes would be. Between you and TK we gave things a fair workout.
But it is no more dominant over the LW in a 1-1 , (I would argue less dominant) than the individually modelled Japanese planes are against the Blue planes, in a 1-1 duelling environment
And I still can't seem get you to see that can I :) But that's ok I'll keep working on it ;)
PS the G10 owns the Spit , no self-respecting G10 driver would ever get killed by a Spit in a duel 1-1. :) They may be slippery little suckers and hard to hit , but you should never die to one
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Originally posted by Shifty
Dunno Redd.
I've always thought the Hellcat was the best kept secret in AH. It stands up well against the N1k2, especially if the George pilot gets lazy or sloppy. If I'm fighting N1's in a US Plane I'll take the Hellcat any day. FM2s are not bad ethier.
In a Corsair I dont stand a chance against a cloud much less a KI-84.:eek:
Shifty ,
All these dicusssions have centerd around a 1-1 standing start duelling environment - as in how do the planes stack up without E adv, numbers etc etc
The niki does everything better than the F6-f other than a slight speed advantage , and in 1-1 like that , a speed advantage isn't much help. I fly against a lot of nikis in the Cat - they are much feared - them and SpitV's :)
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Originally posted by VWE
Actually you should have titled this Spit5 vs ANY 109
So don't go basing your opinion on one fight, though you had several fights agianst various people flying 109's against the way over modeled uber silly spit5. The 109G10 should just dominate it hands down no question but it doesn't... right redd? :D
And the wrap up , after quite a few fights
E vs V - V controls the fight
F vs V - V "
G2 vs V - V "
G6 vs V - G6 can control the fight (well flown)
G10 vs V - G10 controls the fight
Don't think there's any surprises there
Now you tell me something , which of the Japanese Big 3 (zeke,niki, Ki84) does not own the fight against it's USN counterpart (Fm-2,F6-F, F4u)
See - this is an interesting discussion isn't it - better than just bagging each other and name calling ;)
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Originally posted by storch
flew the kitty a little in the MA last night. I had no problem killing spitVs even as i held my rockets. I didn't get to fly it against any N1K2s but the spit driver was someone who i consider to be more proficient at this game than i. i was able to best him by lasering him and extending it took me three passes. i think the kitty may actually rule, then again it is allied.
lol Do you write these things tongue-in -cheek ? yes of course the Hellcat is uber overmodelled and allied ;)
The "Niki Challenge" still stands - any blue plane vs it's counterpart. Look me up - it'll be fun ;)
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Originally posted by Redd
Now you tell me something , which of the Japanese Big 3 (zeke,niki, Ki84) does not own the fight against it's USN counterpart (Fm-2,F6-F, F4u)
Against the Japanese aircraft you mention it all goes to pilot quality. Any number of us has a tremendous amount of stick time compared to what the Japanese or American pilots of WW2 had for training. As such if I were to jump into a fight in a 1v1 situation right now with my limited time playing since coming back I would be hard pressed to last longer than a minute.
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G10 vs V - G10 controls the fight
Wait... I got hits on your G10, did you get hits on my Spit5? Ahhhhh... no. :p
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Originally posted by VWE
Wait... I got hits on your G10, did you get hits on my Spit5? Ahhhhh... no. :p
irrelevant :)
a couple of pings from 600 that bounced off , and my crappy gunnery in a 109 don't change the way a fight goes between the 2 planes. ;)
you're not really arguning the spit V holds the cards over a G10 are you ? Didn't think you were as a far out there as Storchy ;)
Anyway - your thread hijacking now now , go talk about 109's in the 109 thread - this is the Niki/hellkitty thread
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people give them cannon equipped planes to much credit.......... I would feel safer flying the F6f-5 or the F4U-1 over any other plane mentioned here.
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Let me qualify my statement...it wouldn't matter if I was in a US or Japanese ride on the time I would last in a fight.
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F4U-1C has 328 Kills of N1K2 tour 38
N1K2 has 305 Kills of F4U-1C
F4U-1D has 17 Kills of N1K2 tour 38
N1K2 has 84 Kills of F4U-1D
F6F-5 has 54 Kills of N1K2 tour 38
N1K2 has 102 Kills of F6F-5
F6F-5 has 17 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 20 Kills of F6F-5
Bf 109F-4 has 28 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 34 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2 has 12 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 15 Kills of Bf 109G-2
keep the plane sets competitive ;)
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If JG54 would fly some scenarios or special events, they'd know that the G10 dominates the Spit V within the proper historical context, tactics, and mission parameters. It really is no contest. In a co-alt, co-E situation, a G10 can almost always choose to disengage and fight another day against the Spit V. This is something that 1v1 dueling does not capture adequately.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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G-10 dominates the Spit V (or IX for that matter) but others, especially its historical counterpart the 109F, have a tough time.
In the arenas (I dont do duels much, though I should do a lot more of them) I dont have a lot of problems with the Niki, I find the Ki84 a much more dangerous opponent to the Blue planes. The key to killing the Niki in an F6F (from my experience anyway) is getting slow faster than the Niki can get slow. Most folks never come out of WEP when they fight, so my best results come from chopping throttle, blowing E fast, and killing the Niki before it can slow down to my speed. The F6F is so docile and stable at slow speeds, even though it doesnt turn as well as the Niki at those speeds, will allow you to get a killing shot. This is how I fly many planes really, but especially the US planes with their excellent flaps, the P-47's, F4U's and F6F seem to work well flown like this as few expect it. If you run into someone good who sees what you are doing, its usually going to end up bad because they will go verticle and exploit your intentional loss of E.
In a duel environment, where the Niki can focus completely on you, this may or may not work depending on the skill of the Niki pilot. In the arena, if you dont kill the Niki on that first try, you MAY get another, in a duel you wont. If the Niki pilot is good, I'm with Redd, it dominates the Blue planes, as does the Ki84.
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I'd love to participate in some scenarios squad wise, unfortunately they are sceduled on Saturday afternoons. I work weekends... about the only thing available to me are snap shots. Now if ToD ever becomes reality I'll be there...
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Originally posted by VWE
I'd love to participate in some scenarios squad wise, unfortunately they are sceduled on Saturday afternoons. I work weekends... about the only thing available to me are snap shots. Now if ToD ever becomes reality I'll be there...
AK's fly TOD friday nights in the SEA...hoopy controls the invites but I think you'd be welcome if you want to check it out...
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Ewwww... does that mean I have to fly with the AK's? :D
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Originally posted by Redd
no contest , Hell kitty is dead meat . This contest is so lopsided it should never take place in the CT
just saying ;)
Ki84 vs F4u , way too lopsided as well, Should never take place in the CT
Maybe if both sides flew the same planes things would be easier ;)
Cmon Redd, leave the trolls for the other forums, k?
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Originally posted by VWE
Ewwww... does that mean I have to fly with the AK's? :D
I'm sure we've got a hanger queen that will do just fine once we wipe the dried JG54 guts off the windshield:):D ....
Seriously though if you want to check it out I dont think we'd have a problem, I know we've had others fly with us with no problems if they're squad inst in as a group....just let me know and I'll give hoopy a heads up...
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Give it a try VWE. I fly Friday Squad Ops with the 325th Checkertails, and I have had a total blast the two times I've done it so far. Its a lot like the real thing, long stretches of boredom and then 30 seconds of sheer terror. Kinda like most of my dates. :)
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Didn't the ckicken er checkertails disband? Yeah humble, throw my name in the hat for this Friday night.
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will do.....
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Nope, 325th are alive and kicking. I have trouble flyin in formation but otherwise its great. :)
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You do good just gettin the damn plane in the air grits! .squlech grits
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Interesting discussion I've always considered the F6F vs N1K to be one of the best matchups in AH. It's been my impression that the planes stack up against each other very well. I welcome a fight against a N1k no matter the circumstances. I dunno maybe I've been running into sub par N1k drivers I'd like to give it a go against a experienced pilot... but against your average MA or CT goer I figure my odds were at least 50-50. I never felt like I was at a disadvantage in my Hellcat.
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Originally posted by soda72
F4U-1C has 328 Kills of N1K2 tour 38
N1K2 has 305 Kills of F4U-1C
F4U-1D has 17 Kills of N1K2 tour 38
N1K2 has 84 Kills of F4U-1D
F6F-5 has 54 Kills of N1K2 tour 38
N1K2 has 102 Kills of F6F-5
F6F-5 has 17 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 20 Kills of F6F-5
Bf 109F-4 has 28 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 34 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2 has 12 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 15 Kills of Bf 109G-2
keep the plane sets competitive ;)
Thank you Soda
Those stats back up exactly what I've been saying all along. The niki actually outclasses the blue planes by a greater margin than the SpitV outclasses the axis planeset . Yet all I hear is the Spit V is an abomination, and shouldn't be allowed in the CT :)
Where are the FW vs SpitV stats and G10 vs SpitV stats ;)
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Originally posted by Soulyss
Interesting discussion I've always considered the F6F vs N1K to be one of the best matchups in AH. It's been my impression that the planes stack up against each other very well. I welcome a fight against a N1k no matter the circumstances. I dunno maybe I've been running into sub par N1k drivers I'd like to give it a go against a experienced pilot... but against your average MA or CT goer I figure my odds were at least 50-50. I never felt like I was at a disadvantage in my Hellcat.
Soulyss
You are very good in a hellcat, and you are probably coming up against average niki drivers. In Pac time the japanese guys like Wingzero and Taki etc etc fly the niki a lot , so I have had some experience trying to fight them - the Hellcat is totally outclassed.
In our recent DA test with one of the guys flying Hellcat aganst a niki , he barely lasted 30 seconds each fight. Try one sometime 1-1 duel conditions , you'll be suprised
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Originally posted by VWE
You do good just gettin the damn plane in the air grits! .squlech grits
Well, that is true. :)
The first time out I was the second highest in kills on the allied side with 3 and an assist, but the second one, we never managed to engage the enemy. It was still fun though.
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Originally posted by Grits
Well, that is true. :)
The first time out I was the second highest in kills on the allied side with 3 and an assist, but the second one, we never managed to engage the enemy. It was still fun though.
I do believe Grits has placed the red light in his window. :)
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I'd love to try some 1v1. I do suspect a lot of my success against the N1k has been more to mediocre opponents than to any skill or aircraft advantage on my part.
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Originally posted by Redd
Where are the FW vs SpitV stats and G10 vs SpitV stats ;)
couldn't find any stats for g10 vs spitv...
N1K2 has 11 Kills of F6F-5 tour 30
F6F-5 has 11 Kills of N1K2
A6M5b has 503 Kills of F6F-5 tour 30
F6F-5 has 614 Kills of A6M5b
Ki-61 has 205 Kills of F6F-5 tour 30
F6F-5 has 204 Kills of Ki-61
A6M5b has 35 Kills of F6F-5 tour 38
F6F-5 has 26 Kills of A6M5b
Fw 190A-5 has 21 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 28 Kills of Fw 190A-5
Bf 110G-2 has 3 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 6 Kills of Bf 110G-2
Bf 110C-4b has 7 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 11 Kills of Bf 110C-4b
Bf 109G-6 has 4 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 3 Kills of Bf 109G-6
Hurricane IIC has 42 Kills of Bf 109F-4 tour 37
Bf 109F-4 has 39 Kills of Hurricane IIC
f4 before +16 spitcopter introduced
Bf 109F-4 has 558 Kills of Spitfire V tour 30
Spitfire V has 478 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Hurricane IIC has 93 Kills of Bf 109F-4 tour 30
Bf 109F-4 has 158 Kills of Hurricane IIC
f4 after +16
Bf 109F-4 has 159 Kills of Spitfire V Tour 33
Spitfire V has 282 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Hurricane IIC has 46 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Bf 109F-4 has 35 Kills of Hurricane IIC
Keep in mind that the totals may also reflect a greater number of sorties flown.... Since the number of sorties flown per model is not given the totals could be misrepresented..
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Of all the planes which can kill a hangar in 1 pass, I find F6F most surviveable (get low, chased by La7..etc)
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Well,
Redd made a believer out of me, smacked me down 5 (or 6)straight. Two or three were really fun fights...but the hellkitty never got to fire those .50's...basically defensive from merge...2 of em were dead on arrival...screw the pooch on the merge and its over. Given the limitiations of my skill set I had no counter to mid fight verticals by the nikki. Iwas able to avoid a number of shots in some of the fights but got driven down in a defensive fight...sooner or later those 20mm gonna get you....
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Originally posted by soda72
couldn't find any stats for g10 vs spitv...
N1K2 has 11 Kills of F6F-5 tour 30
F6F-5 has 11 Kills of N1K2
A6M5b has 503 Kills of F6F-5 tour 30
F6F-5 has 614 Kills of A6M5b
Ki-61 has 205 Kills of F6F-5 tour 30
F6F-5 has 204 Kills of Ki-61
A6M5b has 35 Kills of F6F-5 tour 38
F6F-5 has 26 Kills of A6M5b
Fw 190A-5 has 21 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 28 Kills of Fw 190A-5
Bf 110G-2 has 3 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 6 Kills of Bf 110G-2
Bf 110C-4b has 7 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 11 Kills of Bf 110C-4b
Bf 109G-6 has 4 Kills of Spitfire V tour 37
Spitfire V has 3 Kills of Bf 109G-6
Hurricane IIC has 42 Kills of Bf 109F-4 tour 37
Bf 109F-4 has 39 Kills of Hurricane IIC
f4 before +16 spitcopter introduced
Bf 109F-4 has 558 Kills of Spitfire V tour 30
Spitfire V has 478 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Hurricane IIC has 93 Kills of Bf 109F-4 tour 30
Bf 109F-4 has 158 Kills of Hurricane IIC
f4 after +16
Bf 109F-4 has 159 Kills of Spitfire V Tour 33
Spitfire V has 282 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Hurricane IIC has 46 Kills of Bf 109F-4
Bf 109F-4 has 35 Kills of Hurricane IIC
Keep in mind that the totals may also reflect a greater number of sorties flown.... Since the number of sorties flown per model is not given the totals could be misrepresented..
OK Soda
So now with the stats in hand , the fights been done, and the numbers in, can we all agree now on these two points
1. The Spit V , in spite of it's uberness does not exert an overwhelming influence on the CT when it flies in historical context against the axis matchups
2. The Niki , is just as uber as the Spit, in it's historical context, and historical matchups
Both should be allowed to come out to play, to ostrasize one over the other is hypocritical .
I'll shut up then ;)
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Originally posted by Redd
Both should be allowed to come out to play, to ostrasize one over the other is hypocritical .
Just so I can get my two cents in...
In Pacific setups, you rarely find everyone flying the Nik, especially with the addition of the Frank. There are many of us who fly the Tony, too, and a hard-core set who fly the porked zeke.
By contrast, when the spit is enabled (at all fields, heh), it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of allied pilots fly the spit. This is fine if your setup is supposed to be "RAF Operations in the ETO," but it does cut down on the variety.
- oldman
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Originally posted by humble
Well,
Redd made a believer out of me, smacked me down 5 (or 6)straight. Two or three were really fun fights...but the hellkitty never got to fire those .50's...basically defensive from merge...2 of em were dead on arrival...screw the pooch on the merge and its over. Given the limitiations of my skill set I had no counter to mid fight verticals by the nikki. Iwas able to avoid a number of shots in some of the fights but got driven down in a defensive fight...sooner or later those 20mm gonna get you....
while redd sure plays a mean cartoonball keep in mind that he is at the exact other end of the sphere. his ping rates may differ slightly from yours which may be offering him an advantage slight though it may be.
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Originally posted by Redd
Both should be allowed to come out to play, to ostrasize one over the other is hypocritical .
I wouldn't come to that conculsion.. Any plane that is too dominate should be counter balanced or limited in some way...
In most PAC CT setups the Nik is limited or not included(at first at least). The same should go for the spitv.
setups that only include the f4 and spitv suk now... :)
If the before and after stats between the f4 and spitv for tours 30 and 33 doesn't interest anyone than I guess there's not much more to say...
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Originally posted by storch
while redd sure plays a mean cartoonball keep in mind that he is at the exact other end of the sphere. his ping rates may differ slightly from yours which may be offering him an advantage slight though it may be.
We didnt swap out so its only data from one side..but I felt 2 of the 5 I flew as well as I could. I forced multiple "overshoots" {we were in a rolling vertical scissors loopy thingie} and had no E to even get a good shot...the nikki just floated back up above and rolled back in on me to rinse and repeat....obviously alot of it was Redds excellent flying but the kitty was justhung out on the edge of its envelope with nada to give. Again a better kitty driver might have scraped an extra 5% out of it and tagged him....but I could fly10 and not get 1:o
Clips are available if anyone wants to watch the slaughter. I dont think the difference is as great as the 109/spitV. Phish didnt even seem able to make a fight of it where Iat least felt I made redd work a bit:). I'll go back tru and pull 1 of each and put em up for comparision....
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This is the 1st hop between Redd and I, all in all the others are similiar if they got beyond the first merge....
http://www.azhacker.com/images/nikkivsredd.ahf
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Originally posted by soda72
I wouldn't come to that conculsion.. Any plane that is too dominate should be counter balanced or limited in some way...
In most PAC CT setups the Nik is limited or not included(at first at least). The same should go for the spitv.
setups that only include the f4 and spitv suk now... :)
If the before and after stats between the f4 and spitv for tours 30 and 33 doesn't interest anyone than I guess there's not much more to say...
Yeah I agree Soda , even treatment is all that should happen. I only started this whole thing because of all the wailing and gnashing and threats of walk-out and "See you in a week" every time the Spit V gets mentioned .
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Originally posted by storch
while redd sure plays a mean cartoonball keep in mind that he is at the exact other end of the sphere. his ping rates may differ slightly from yours which may be offering him an advantage slight though it may be.
Storch trust me, my 260-280 ms ping times had no bearing on the fight , nor did any "cartoon" abilities on my part. Take one of your buddies and try for yourself
Just so you know these games have been very stable for 10 years on dial-up connections , which would give anyone in the US a ping time of around 260-300 ms. I do not believe the lag effect of ping times in the 200-300 ms range will effect the outcome of a fight.
Skuzzy would be able to answer this for you well, if you ask him
When you start to get to 500+ , that's a different matter
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you players seriously getting them high ping times? I am most times under 100ms\more often around 80ms.......does that affect me in me getting killed more than people with a higher ping?
TC
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you players seriously getting them high ping times? I am most times under 100ms\more often around 80ms.......does that affect me in me getting killed more than people with a higher ping?
TC
TC
HT's net code is very good , I don't believe you would be able to tell the difference in a fight between a 100ms player and a 250ms player. As I said , these games were played on a dialup modem for years, many people still do. Packet loss is the more noticeable net effect
But HTC can best answer that for you , he knows his stuff way better than I do
It's been discussed before.
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I dont have any feel that anything other then Redd and the nikki were involved:). It wasnt exactly a stellar merge on my end...but once I get by the 1st shot you can clearly see the difference in the verticals....the kitty simply cant get the nose up and I'm locked into a decending defensive fight until I simply run out of alt & E. From my perspective the only real chance I have is to either clearly win the merge or go for the front quarter shot on the "remerge"....once past that I'd simply but the nose down and extend....later on I did exactly that and got away but of course we reengaged almost on the deck and with no alt to play with the kitty poofed pretty quickly. Basically the kittyhas to come in hot and either go long and try for the perch or go pure angles and gain a quick look....either way when the 15 second shot clock expires he better get out of dodge. Once the nikki can force a shot denial out of the F6 and initiate the type of sequence above the initiative passes almost irreversibly to the nikki (IMO).
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Originally posted by humble
I dont have any feel that anything other then Redd and the nikki were involved:). It wasnt exactly a stellar merge on my end...but once I get by the 1st shot you can clearly see the difference in the verticals....the kitty simply cant get the nose up and I'm locked into a decending defensive fight until I simply run out of alt & E. From my perspective the only real chance I have is to either clearly win the merge or go for the front quarter shot on the "remerge"....once past that I'd simply but the nose down and extend....later on I did exactly that and got away but of course we reengaged almost on the deck and with no alt to play with the kitty poofed pretty quickly. Basically the kittyhas to come in hot and either go long and try for the perch or go pure angles and gain a quick look....either way when the 15 second shot clock expires he better get out of dodge. Once the nikki can force a shot denial out of the F6 and initiate the type of sequence above the initiative passes almost irreversibly to the nikki (IMO).
I'll have to look at the film... How much did you use flaps?
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I switched from the X-45 to the X-52 a few days ago and I'm still getting a feel. It's a twisty stick vs the toggle. I'd need to look at the clip but I was hitting button an awful lot:). But truthfully I was more focused on the rudder inputs since that whats way off "feel" wise.
Any critique is certainly welcome....
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I'm between 1/2 & full once we get past the initial merge and 1st shot denial. Probably on them to much to be honest...lot of rudder fluctuation and nose bounce. Pretty easyto see I'm fighting the stick. I never spin out normally but over correct at end.
However I didnt see any major flaw (beyond the merge).....possibly had a chance to extend on deck but wasnt thinking that way....especially on 1st hop. "Normally" I'd of gotten flaps back up a notch or more at points...but he's got the press on and I'm bleedingE and alt the whole time avoidingt hose 20mm.
Anything you see as a better option let me know....
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Redd & I had a few goes at it with the Niki vs F6f-5 and the F4U-1 against the Niki and Ki-84 against the F4U-1
was some awesome fights, Redd was flying the Japanese planes, and he owned the vertical in every match, only time I was able to capitalize was if he made a mistake, and then it was a drawn out fight, but for most of the fights he walked the dog.......
He may have filmed it , am not sure but for one thing it was a pure blast of enjoyment to duke it out with him Redd
TC
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TC...
You win any of the merges? Seems like you need a clear cut edge on the merge to force the issue...just dont have the game to do it (me that is).
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Originally posted by Redd
no contest , Hell kitty is dead meat . This contest is so lopsided it should never take place in the CT
just saying ;)
Ki84 vs F4u , way too lopsided as well, Should never take place in the CT
Maybe if both sides flew the same planes things would be easier ;)
There's a method to your madness Redd :)
To be honest, do folks really look at what they run into in the arena and then decide if they are going to have at it or not?
I guess I'm from the wade in and see what happens brigade.
THat's why the Spit stuff in here is so silly to me. Who cares, no one really dies so give it a shot?
If you are a Luftwaffe Junkie you want to fly Luftwaffe planes. But if you are an RAF junkie you can't fly Spits? Or if you can, you are penalized with having to fly forever before you can get to the fight?
Again I say, who cares. Come on ...die a little...I do it all the time in here :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by Guppy35
There's a method to your madness Redd :)
To be honest, do folks really look at what they run into in the arena and then decide if they are going to have at it or not?
I guess I'm from the wade in and see what happens brigade.
THat's why the Spit stuff in here is so silly to me. Who cares, no one really dies so give it a shot?
If you are a Luftwaffe Junkie you want to fly Luftwaffe planes. But if you are an RAF junkie you can't fly Spits? Or if you can, you are penalized with having to fly forever before you can get to the fight?
Again I say, who cares. Come on ...die a little...I do it all the time in here :)
Dan/CorkyJr
That's the spirit Corky - win or lose - it 's all about the fight. Have had some awesome fun fights while going through this discussion process.
Just think, if they did away with score , people would just probably ..........fight ;)
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Originally posted by humble
TC...
You win any of the merges? Seems like you need a clear cut edge on the merge to force the issue...just dont have the game to do it (me that is).
TC did me up really nicely in the very first fight , he is a quality opponent. From then on I had to work hard , we had some great fights and it was a hell of a lot of fun.
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Originally posted by storch
while redd sure plays a mean cartoonball keep in mind that he is at the exact other end of the sphere. his ping rates may differ slightly from yours which may be offering him an advantage slight though it may be.
Something else I thought of , is that , there is no advantage or disadvantage to having a higher ping- we are basically 350 ms away from each other so we are both in effect dealing with 1/3 of a second lag - this is pretty normal.
In a FPS the guy with the lower ping has a significant advantage, but that doesn't really apply here.
The case I mentioned to you on the radio - was a guy with an 800 ms ping who takes advantage of that lag with his flying style - that is a very rare case.
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Originally posted by Redd
Something else I thought of , is that , there is no advantage or disadvantage to having a higher ping- we are basically 350 ms away from each other so we are both in effect dealing with 1/3 of a second lag - this is pretty normal.
In a FPS the guy with the lower ping has a significant advantage, but that doesn't really apply here.
The case I mentioned to you on the radio - was a guy with an 800 ms ping who takes advantage of that lag with his flying style - that is a very rare case.
you're thinking too much redd. go hop around a bit then have a vegemite sandwich. :D
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This whole debate is about stale.
When I'm flying ETO I see Spits go down, when it's PTO I see N1k2s, and Ki84s go down. Personally I don't care what the other side flys, it's their business not mine.
If Storch wants to fly an N1K2, or Ki84 , thats his business. If somebody on the Allied side wants to fly a spit thats their business. If one plane on the other side has an advantage, guess what? Your going to see a lot of them in the air. That should be obvious to most people by now. Complaining about what the other side flys is like complaining because they won't hold still and let you kill em.
It's competetion, people are playing to win. All of us are going to try and win. We should worry less about what our adversaries are flying, and worry more about how to fly whats available on our own side. Sheesh I went through nearly half the 8th AF's alotment of P-47s last night. That should be my biggest concern. My flying got me killed , every bit as much as JG54s 109s, and 190s.
Guys pay to fly this sim, what they fly and how they fly it is up to them. If you don't like it............... Shoot em down.:D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I guess I'm from the wade in and see what happens brigade.
<---wades in over his head all the time.
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I'd agree with humble that as the fight goes on the advantage goes to the N1k driver. The hellcat has the edge in manuverability at higher speeds I believe. But there is a window of opportunity to get the shot that will close the longer the fight goes on. If a good N1k driver can deny that shot long enough the low speed handling of the N1k I think would win in out in the end.
That being said I still think it's one of the best matchups in the game, at least one that offers some of the best opportunities for a good fight. :)
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both f6f and f4u-1(d) can give a george a smackdown... also to an extent the frank.
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Originally posted by Shane
both f6f and f4u-1(d) can give a george a smackdown... also to an extent the frank.
Obviously given divergent pilot skill or in an MA/CT setting. But 1 on 1 in a duel the Blue beastie needs to do it fast and hard or its un uphill battle. Love to fly a couple next time your in the DA BTW...
I'd think the -1 hog is the best anti nikki platform amongst the "blue" iron (excluding the perk hogs)