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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Wolf14 on April 29, 2005, 05:24:03 PM
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CAn anybody possibly have an idea as to why my variance in delay looks like this? All firewalls are off and I am not going through any router. Sometimes when I log on I have no issues but other times I get a pattern like the one in the picture. It seems here lately its getting more frequent.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/428_1114813254_ahss176.jpg)
Thanks in advance for any help.
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A/V program? Possibly spyware sending out regular bursts? Someone pinging your comp? Some kind of autoupdater? Just throwing some things out here, could be one of several problems. If you know someone with a router you could borrow, try hooking it up and see if the problem goes away. Help you narrow things down anyway.
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im having the same issue exactly, ive reformated twice , even tried a different opperating system, still the same exact variance ,there is nothing running in the background , no spyware or viruses , it does it on a clean install of the os . Ive been in contact with skuzzy , he is aware of my situation . what ive notice is if you open task manager and watch the cpu usage AH2 will drop to 80% then back to 99 % . when it should hold the cpu at 99% . i just tried splinter cell and it holds all of the cpu. I didnt notice this initally till i had the task manager update quicker . Its an option under view . Try it out and see if yours is doing the same thing . Hate to see anyone else have issue but im glad im not alone , ive been pullin my hair out. GL
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it still does this on a different hard drive with a different OS, win 2000 pro , what else could it be , it can't be spyware or malware because the hard drive was wiped clean and wasnt connected to any websites , the only net connection was AH2. Ive swapped out almost every piece of hardware except MB/cpu, and it still shows the same weird variance . i actually have another socket 754 Motherboard , but i think its a waste of time to swap it. I am on dialup ,(no broadband availiable) i have 2 isp's , and the choice of 3 different route's , all do the same thing . My phone line has a good signal to noise and checks out fine . the game never boots or disco's but it almost always shows the exact same pattern as posted above .winxp and 2kpro where running barebones 11 proccess's, nothing hits the cpu or net connection but as i stated above the cpu bounces off the idle proccess, and i think it must have something to do with it ...... have i forgot anything? any ideas ? any help is appreiciated <
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Originally posted by 38ruk
it still does this on a different hard drive with a different OS, win 2000 pro , what else could it be , it can't be spyware or malware because the hard drive was wiped clean and wasnt connected to any websites , the only net connection was AH2. Ive swapped out almost every piece of hardware except MB/cpu, and it still shows the same weird variance . i actually have another socket 754 Motherboard , but i think its a waste of time to swap it. I am on dialup ,(no broadband availiable) i have 2 isp's , and the choice of 3 different route's , all do the same thing . My phone line has a good signal to noise and checks out fine . the game never boots or disco's but it almost always shows the exact same pattern as posted above .winxp and 2kpro where running barebones 11 proccess's, nothing hits the cpu or net connection but as i stated above the cpu bounces off the idle proccess, and i think it must have something to do with it ...... have i forgot anything? any ideas ? any help is appreiciated <> 38
I see two possibilities right off the bat. A hop on your way to the server is at full load and queing you, which should be detectable by running ping in the background, then tracert. Or you've got some hardware that wants CPU time, like a winmodem.
How frequent are these CPU useage drops you're reporting? Are they at the same rate as those latency peaks? My bet is they arn't, and whenever you get one a program called services.exe is getting the extra cycles. This leads to a bad linux geek pun... windows services doesn't play 'nice'.
-p.
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its definetly something in the pc or the game that is doing this , pings look good ,i have 3 different routes i can take . the proccess that is jumping is the system idle process , and it does it about every 2 seconds or so , ah just isnt using the full capacity of the cpu for some reason. as for the modem , its an external harware modem , so it doesnt use many proccessor resources thx
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When you see that, does it ever suddenly clear up?
HiTech
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HT it can go either way for me. Sometimes the jumps and drops start small, then build, and then I get discoed. Other times I can let my connection sit, and 15-20 minutes later my variance will flat line and look normal with a very small peak on occasion when somebody talks on vox for an extended amount of time.
so yes in some cases it does suddenly clear up.
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Originally posted by hitech
When you see that, does it ever suddenly clear up?
HiTech
Hitech , it has cleared up for me some times after 30 mins or so after the game has been running , sometimes it doesnt matter at all it will continue to do it all night . it was doing it on my machine even before the new skins where released . thx for any help 38
edit , mine never disco's though i could play all night with the up and downs , i chose not too cause it get really studdery
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HT any update? your response kinda sounded like you may have had an idea providing wheather or not it stopped after awhile or not.
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Ok i will give in and tell you what caused that exact problem on my computer.
ALG.EXE
Specifically the problem occured after i installed adobe acrobat pdf reader.
Not the current version but an earlier one.
I believe it was polling to see if a graphic tablet was connected to my computer.
Never had such a thing so decided to disable alg.exe and see what happened.
Problem stopped straight away.
Whenever it reared its ugly head stopping alg.exe cured it everytime.
Earlier versions of adobe were apparently known to preload and enable every possible driver known to man so the program was ready to roll.
Whether you needed it or not.
I now use abobe reader version 7 and have not seen this since.
Of course your mileage may vary etc but as i say it definitely cured that pattern every time by closing alg.exe and i found references to adobe driver loading in google i believe.
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I have been having the same problem with varying degrees of severity.
Just did a quick check in task manager and I get the same 99%-89% jump in AH usage with it going to system idle. Also I noted that if I didnt "End It All" the .Net framework CLI was also taking a pop at the resources.
I also had a big problem using limit fps to 45 or 60 this would magnify the problem and I would see warps all over the place unlimited and it went away.
It seemed to be linked to the grasphics driver / card for me and has eased a bit since changing drivers etc albeit I havent been online for a few days to see how it has changed.
Common part here seems to be ATI X800 Pro at least for me and 38ruk.
I have been having my first Discoes in 2 years playing but this all happened with New Patches and an increse in my Broadband Speed at the same time so I cant say what is causing that.
the Variance stepping seems to be random for me it is always on loading as expected but sometimes in game it will start then stop or will get to the point of booting me with no common denominator.
Adjuster
Athalon 64 3400 +
2GB Ram
X800 Pro 256mb
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One thing guys, and it's been said here many times. Stop all non-critical processes and services. I play AH with only 13 processes running. If in doubt look it up in Google.
Cav, ALG is absolutly not a required service and will effect your network traffic. There are several others, Windows Update, Computer Browsers Service, Scuzzy has listed many of the ones you can stop in a sticky. Even nVidia and ATI install services and stuff you don't need to play AH.
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hey guys , ive had this problem for awhile, it was a clean install, i never had acrobat reader, or adobe installed, so thats not an issue on my end. I also only run 13 proccess in XP sp2 , and havent installed any .net programs or frame work that im aware of . actually the only programs on the pc are AH2 adaware , spybot , registycleaner , and driver cleaner. I have noticed that limiting frame rates agrevated the problem . Im running 4.12 catalysts so im not aware of any issues with those . thx 38
EDIT: actually only 11 proccess in xp at boot
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Did you install the catalyst control panel?
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Did you install the catalyst control panel?
No way heheh that thing is a p.o.s .... ive never tried it , and wont unless it becomes manditory . 38
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Whenever I see something about looking up processes, I throw this out. Very helpful IMHO.
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm
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hey wolf, are you still seeing this , it seems to be allitle better lately, but im still seeing it often.
HT , any ideas? 38
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It has settled down alot for me. I still see it pop up on occasion but not everyday for the first 20-30min I log on like it was doing.
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38RUK
I get this a lot exactly as you have posted.
It has been driving me nuts for the past month.
I have 2 computers connected through ICS , mine is the remote. What I have found so far is that if I reboot the host , or usually even just log out my sons session on the host , it will stop.
I have been thinking it's either spyware or MSN related ( he runs MSN )
MY screenshots would look identical to yours.
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btw if you use something like Ping Plotter and look at every hop along the way , you will notice that the middle hops are taking longer than the final hop , which is pretty strange.
So can anyone from HTC tell us whether this is a net issue or an issue with our machines/config/software , or something that has been introduced with one of the new versions ?
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Redd, if those hops are the savvis network, that's a whole nother issue. Read the post "Need some help from the community."
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I had this SAW TOOTH Variance for awhile tonight. I had 2 routers dropping packets in the route and SAVVIS internally was rerouting packets from 1 VLAN to another at the L.A. CA hop. It doubled my ping time and I couldnt hit watermelon until they rerouted back to my default with a 63 ping round trip and no droped packets.
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Originally posted by bustr
I had this SAW TOOTH Variance for awhile tonight. I had 2 routers dropping packets in the route and SAVVIS internally was rerouting packets from 1 VLAN to another at the L.A. CA hop. It doubled my ping time and I couldnt hit watermelon until they rerouted back to my default with a 63 ping round trip and no droped packets.
yup same here bustr, terrible connect tonight
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what is the difference btwn CT and MA when it comes to the variance picture?
It seems my variance is always flat in CT and varies in MA
You guys check CT variance when ur MA var is in the crapper?
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Originally posted by Eagler
what is the difference btwn CT and MA when it comes to the variance picture?
It seems my variance is always flat in CT and varies in MA
You guys check CT variance when ur MA var is in the crapper?
I believe MA is on one server , and all the other arenas are on another , so there can be slight dfferences
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Any progress or understanding of this problem yet ?
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Well, I have the same problem with a GForce card, so, probably it is not related to ATI or Nvidia.
Some times It got cured suddenly after ALT - TAB and ALT - TAB into the game again. The problem started the last month. W98SE here, with minimum processes running, same processes as always.
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I've known for a long time that it's connection related. Could be firewalls, routers, savvis...who knows.
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i think its too steady to be a routing issue , but who knows. unless its an alternating router . Im no network guru , but the way it can just clear up and come back, makes me wonder . Do any of you guys see the cpu bounce of the system idle proccess when AH2 is running ? you have to go to the view option in the task manager and turn the update speed to high , after i do that i see the cpu do the bounce .... hope they find this
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still getting this weird pattern, are any of you guys ? HT or skuzzy any other ideas ? 38
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38 I thought it had cleared up on my end because for the last week or so I have had no problems. Logged in last night and had to sit for about 20 minutes for it to clear up again. :(
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Same problem here , same as Redd ......
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I still have the problem
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i get the same pattern....sometimes it's a perfect saw tooth.
it comes and goes
my guess is, i think the internet has seen it golden days and it's dying like a star....J/K
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I sent a picture of this to Skuzzy WAY back!
I kept asking everyone on 200 if they had a ramping kinda affect in their variance. I called it ramping cause that's what it reminded me of, little ramps.
Also sometimes it went negative! As in going below the line.
I was asked if I had anything running in the background.
What I found with my machine is that it only happpened during the 1st sortie or so then steadied out to flat line.
Didn't seem to have too much of an effect on anything, but that may be due to the way I fly. I usually up from a unvulched base and head to a fight. That takes 10 to 20 minutes sometimes. Maybe the stutters are all worked out before I reach a fight.
Also has anyone else noticed that savvis.net added in extra hops to each savvis area? Where I had 1 hop through LA savvis I now have 2 or sometimes 3. And if it goes through any other savvis hop I get another added hop through the same area. I went from 10 hops to 14 or 15! 12 to 16 or 17!
What's with that???????
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Although its not been the issue tonight, I've had this problem in the past. As near as I can tell, its always been due to heavy intardnet traffic. I tend to only get that odd sawtooth/box wave on net status after 3pm on fridays through sunday. While an overload of the ISP may not be the root of your problem, it appears to be the root of mine.
In response to HT's question from a much earlier post, yes, mine does suddenly return to normal, but fairly late in the evening.
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well im just bumping this back up , still having this issue . It can be good for awhile then its back everyday . .... 38
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Wolf14
Did you ever get this solved ?
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I blame gore for not "inventing" a better internet :)
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well this must be one of those things that we are just going to have to live with i guess . Im still seeing this (more often as of late ) quite often . I amagine that if i still have the problem , so do most of you guys , just checking to see if anyone stumbled across something or maybe contacted HTC directly .
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You can have the very same pattern after using a p2p application or when connecting if your ISP give you the IP of someone who have done lot of p2p
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Or if spyware is running as well. That Variance is indicative of the CPU being pulled away from the game to handle other things. Spyware/Malware programs, anti-virus programs, firewalls, excess network traffic inbound and a melee of other things can cause that Variance.
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didn't thought of malware/spyware in more than 10 year I never had any (nor any virus :D)
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Well i am 99% sure that it isnt spyware, malware related . Ive done many reformates , had all the updates and servicepacks on CD. Never connected to internet explorer , or any other tpe of browser or update site . SO fresh install , fire up AH2 , and Still get the same pattern. As do many other people that have posted here . As far as P2P, ive personally never done any. As far as getting someones IP that has been , I have three different isp's , 3 different routes to 216.91.187.39. Still the same . My system is barebones at startup 11 proccess , and i never run anything in the back ground . Hardware ive swapped out , Basically everything except the CPU, CDRW, Floppy . Ping plotter for the most part is fine , No packet loss , well sometimes i get a dropped packet or two at savvis in chicago, but that has been rare as of late .
Or if spyware is running as well. That Variance is indicative of the CPU being pulled away from the game to handle other things. Spyware/Malware programs, anti-virus programs, firewalls, excess network traffic inbound and a melee of other things can cause that Variance.
I can watch the cpu in taskmanager with AH2 minimized , Nothing pulls the cpu away except the system idle proccess, might bump the cpu from time to time . I run no firewall or antivirus , and am on a dialup connection with an external hardware USR modem , so im not sure i would be getting excessive network traffic , but who knows . Ive also tried 3 different modem , No luck. I can also watch the network connection , and nothing uses any network resourses when the connection is idle . No IRQ' s are sharing anything , ANYOTHER IDEAS, im open to any suggestions at this point 38
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38Maw I have the exact same issues with my connection at around 10 pm PST. I've done full whipe and reinstall and nothing changes. It doesn't matter if I'm using my cable connection or my dsl connection. The issue is very consistant and it happens at around the same time every night. I just log off after 10 pm due to this issue.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
38Maw I have the exact same issues with my connection at around 10 pm PST. I've done full whipe and reinstall and nothing changes. It doesn't matter if I'm using my cable connection or my dsl connection. The issue is very consistant and it happens at around the same time every night. I just log off after 10 pm due to this issue.
Cobra ,thx for the response , there are alot of people seeing this . I bet if more looked at their connection for any lenght of time they would prolly see it too . I asked a few people to check their's on range the other night , and the response's i got where HOW do you do that , OR I DIDNT know you could do that . HEHE . I posted above that i tried it on a different OS, win2k pro , on a different hard drive, clean install and I still had it . I dont want to Say thats it not spyware, or something in my machine, but ive done alot of trouble shooting on my end to no avail.
Skuzzy , if you read this , give me a list of what you would do in this situation . In the posts above ive listed all that i have tried , I never say never so maybe its something on my end . But ive done almost everything i can think of. I dont want to (and wont ) just point the finger at HTC , but at this point im running outta ideas to try . THX 38
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Heh for awhile I wasnt having any problems. Everything seemed to settle out. Now out of the clear blue it seems to be happening all over again.
I also did the reformat/ re-install bit as well but I'm kinda takin a cue from others and not messin around doing it again cause it looks like it aint gonna hep much atall.
Verwy Verwy aggrivatin, but after awhile it seems to clear up. I'm just gonna have to log on early and let the connection sit for a bit I guess.
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Well its been about 5 months , and i still see this too often . Just checking in with the others in this thread to see if you still have the issue . I kinda let the issue die because we wernt getting anywhere with it . And before anyone says spyware , or a background service , beware it did it on a fresh install with nothing else installed . 38