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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SirLoin on April 29, 2005, 09:53:27 PM
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Never thought i'd be saying that...didn't like the old nite when it was up in the MA
but after seeing what's going on in Combat Theatre...(Rangoon..China)
if i knew how to post a screenie i would..
the clouds the horizon and check out that MOON!
Oooooh...Bring back the darkness to the Main Arena HTC!
:aok
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and the muzzle flashes look AWESOME during night time.
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Originally posted by WMLute
and the muzzle flashes look AWESOME during night time.
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Oh yahhhhh, the sight of a dozen Osti's defending a fld at night, lighting up the sky with tracer fire........ya bring it back. Besides that night fighting is a whole different concept
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Gota have the Moon (http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/)
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Originally posted by kevykev56
Gota have the Moon (http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/)
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Originally posted by kevykev56
Gota have the Moon (http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/)
so I guess you are saying.......
YOU LIKE THE MOON, WAY UP IN THE SKY!
:D
TC
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And we really like cheese and zeppelins! :lol
Clip
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SirLoin,you know how hard it is to find a sheep in the dark??? that cow I bumped into will never be the same again........
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Cue Daddyack,
......Daddyack to the set, they playin your song.
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I also suport the return of the awesomely rendered night time. As a matter of course I have a thread in the requests forum asking for night time back. :aok
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No.
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Dude, have you seen the newly rendered night time?
It is awesome to fly and fight in.
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Once again,
I hate night. I flew at night in AH1 and either logged or adjusted my video gamma. Adjusting your video gamma, for those unaware, removes the effect of night but distorts some of the colors.
I have been working on becoming more of a bomber pilot, but why would I want to fly at night? It's not like radar can't detect you? Your Icon is just as glowing and its hard to see the target. Is it the moon and the stars what you guys are getting wood about? Is there some lunacy going on?
Maybe if I understood the reason for night I would change my mind. I have yet to see a good reason for night. Is the reason because it looks cool? Is this like an "Apple Jack's" commercial where some adults just don't get it?
I am also someone who likes good weather. Snowy, rainy, and dark overcast days do nothing for me. Although a snow covered landscape would be ok. It's good to have somewhere the sun is always shining and the weather is nice. Why have night when you can have perpetual daytime? What would night add to the game?
I have previously cancelled my subscription to AH because of night. I have a limited time budget. When I log on and its night, that's when I either have to readjust the settings on my video card (temporarily) or just not play. If I can't play, I won't pay.
Not to sound too absolute and rigid, since the training and dueling arenas are available, there are places that people like me can go while you guys play in the dark.
Regards,
Malta
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people who 'wont' fly at night, or adjust their gamma so they can cheat are not ever going to let us have night back.
they suck.
they are scared of the dark maybe?
kinda pathetic if you ask me.
the only guys who dont want night are the ones who only fly a few hours a tour. obviously if they log in for their one hour a week of flying and its dark for 30 mins i can understand it might be frustrating.
but tuff chit.
BRING BACK THE NIGHT!
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I can't let a night vote go by.
Ok, perfect night solution to follow:
Make "night" a altered form of "dusk".
You know those summer nights when it is dark and you can see stars above you, but there is a good amount of light on the horizon.
From the games viewpoint, anything from the horizon to ~ 40 degrees above is in a soft sunset light and anything above is a starry night.
Fighters/gvs could still fight in the twilight while buffs flying above could use night for cover.
What a comprimise!
Ok rip it to shreds with various witty doomsday scenarios...
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Ahh yet another one of those predictable threads.
Ok I brought my own chair and a case of beer. Whio's got the popcorn?;)
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So do you have a comment Drediock? Or you just gonna sit there like an idiot and act like you know what's going to happen...
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Yes, I want night back.
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Gamma rules!
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Originally posted by stantond
Once again,
1. I have been working on becoming more of a bomber pilot, but why would I want to fly at night? It's not like radar can't detect you?
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2. Maybe if I understood the reason for night I would change my mind. I have yet to see a good reason for night. Is the reason because it looks cool?
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3. I am also someone who likes good weather. Snowy, rainy, and dark overcast days do nothing for me. Although a snow covered landscape would be ok. It's good to have somewhere the sun is always shining and the weather is nice. Why have night when you can have perpetual daytime? What would night add to the game?
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4. I have previously cancelled my subscription to AH because of night. I have a limited time budget. When I log on and its night, that's when I either have to readjust the settings on my video card (temporarily) or just not play. If I can't play, I won't pay.
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1. It's true!...WW II bomber pilots never flew night missions undetected by radar. :rolleyes:
2. It's true!....bringing back nights wouldn't bring reality to the WW II combat sim we play in. :rolleyes:
3. It's true!....all combat / war zones, past and present, have been fought in clear skies, sunny, 70 degree weather, grass aways green and neatly cut. :rolleyes:
4. It's true!....by dialing 1-800-CANCELLS will save you some money. :aok
Geez...if ya want a sterile perfect war sim, invest in a X box. Personnally I'd like to see HT bring back some of the reality that's been taken away DO TO WHINES. ie. clouds that cover targets, rain squalls, nights. Wars are not fought in perfect environments, and last I checked AH is suppose to be a WW II sim.
LTARokit, XO
PS. If yas think all the above is true....give me a call....I have some ocean front property for sale......just outside Vegas :rofl
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how about a compromise. A bright night like you get with a full moon...
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Originally posted by LTARokit
Originally posted by stantond
Once again,
1. It's true!...WW II bomber pilots never flew night missions undetected by radar. :rolleyes:
2. It's true!....bringing back nights wouldn't bring reality to the WW II combat sim we play in. :rolleyes:
3. It's true!....all combat / war zones, past and present, have been fought in clear skies, sunny, 70 degree weather, grass aways green and neatly cut. :rolleyes:
4. It's true!....by dialing 1-800-CANCELLS will save you some money. :aok
Geez...if ya want a sterile perfect war sim, invest in a X box. Personnally I'd like to see HT bring back some of the reality that's been taken away DO TO WHINES. ie. clouds that cover targets, rain squalls, nights. Wars are not fought in perfect environments, and last I checked AH is suppose to be a WW II sim.
LTARokit, XO
PS. If yas think all the above is true....give me a call....I have some ocean front property for sale......just outside Vegas
LTARokit, you misssed Malta's most valid reason that means the most
I have previously cancelled my subscription to AH because of night. I have a limited time budget. When I log on and its night, that's when I either have to readjust the settings on my video card (temporarily) or just not play.
let people have their opinions and views , everyone is entitled to them.
people put too much emphasis on the rudeness associated with the :rolleyes: smilies
you know what I mean? :rolleyes:
TC
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I think it all has to do with keeping the majority of customers happy.
Fewer people play when its dark.
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Night does not make sense in a 24 hour perpetual arena, where people log in from different time zones with limited time to fly. HT has made the proper adjustment to arena time.
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I fully agree..bring back the nights..
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I thought night was cool when i first started. I don't know how long it took for me to start disliking night, but it happened. I felt what was the point of flying if i can't see anything to shoot down.
The worst thing that could happen when i had a spare hour to play, was logging in to night. I was considering quitting at one stage because it seemed whenever i had a bit of time it was night, ruining the little time i had. It' was purely coincidental it was night whenever i logged on, but that is how it was. It would spoil the very short time i had for AH.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
LTARokit, you misssed Malta's most valid reason that means the most
let people have their opinions and views , everyone is entitled to them.
people put too much emphasis on the rudeness associated with the :rolleyes: smilies
you know what I mean? :rolleyes:
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No rudeness intended TC. Sarcasim at best. And yes sir your absolutely right.....everyone has the right to his or her opinions and views. As for the smilies.....simply stated remarks start as "It's true" and ends with smily which = "yah right" or :rolleyes:
Smilies are what you make of them, it's just like this one :mad: most think anger..mad..etc. When in fact it's just someone constipated trying to take a chit.
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Originally posted by thrila
The worst thing that could happen when i had a spare hour to play, was logging in to night. I was considering quitting at one stage because it seemed whenever i had a bit of time it was night, ruining the little time i had. It' was purely coincidental it was night whenever i logged on, but that is how it was. It would spoil the very short time i had for AH.
And that is precisely why we should not have night. Well said.
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Originally posted by Stang
And that is precisely why we should not have night. Well said.
Look at the flipside of this, how many people have made this statement "I am just burnt out" or "time for a change". I think there could be less of these people if there was more of a variety of environments in the arena.
Im not sure anyone who wants night needs it daily. It could satisfy some of us if it was just in rotation on select maps. At least there would be something besides sunny 24/7.
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Here, Here! :aok
Hazaa to that, a good Idea it is.:aok
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
So do you have a comment Drediock? Or you just gonna sit there like an idiot and act like you know what's going to happen...
Like I know whats gonna happen?
No, I know what's gonna happen because it happens every time this subject is brought up. Same as the Furball vrs Strat threads, same as the Pizza threads or any of about a dozen other subjects that get brought up over and over. Many of which I myself sometimes to my own detriment have been involved in
They start off ok then at some point they begin to degrade very rapidly.
In this case someone who is against night will say "well if you want night turn your gamma down" Or someone who is for it will say vise versa. Then someone invariably is going to say "Night would be ok if we had night fighters but we dont" And someone else will come back with the counter point that all planes currently have dar.
Then someone else will make the claim that HTC got rid of night because "most people logged off during night time" and "most people didn't want it" Which is untrue but it will be claimed anyway.
Then someone is going to start with the personal insults and it will go downhill even more rapidly from there.
Now just for the record I'd love nothing more then to be proven wrong this thread. And see it remain a civil and at least a semi intelligent discussion But if past history is any indication, that is very unlikely to happen.
And hey, Maybe by reading this people will actually think about it and will refrain from actually behaving like idiots if for no other reason then to prove me wrong.
I doubt it. But hey I can dream cant I?
Also for the record and for the benefit of those that dont know my views on the matter Im am for the return of night and always have been. I was against getting rid of it in the first place. Anyone who has read any of a number of threads I have debated this subject on over the last few years knows my views on it.
But the fact is Im tired of arguing about it Over and over and over again. Im tired of the bickering, name calling and other infantile antics that go on whenever subjects like this are raised.
So if you dont mind I will just sit here like an idiot, chugging my beer and watching other people start too act like idiots.
Maybe they will surprise me and prove me wrong. THAT would be a wonderful surprise.
But it would be a surprise nonetheless
Please prove me wrong
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How 'bout THIS idea!
Instead of bringing back night time, we have stormy weather in the "night" time slot? Once every four hours, the WHOLE arena fills up with the storm clouds from AH1! Not just a wandering cloud that circuits the playing field, but down right penalize EVERYONE for 20-30 minutes! The lower the clouds are the better!
Tell me that real WWII pilots were never socked in by weather. If you choose to fly, you take the risk.
Ooops, I guess that would be too much like night time. Damn! Oh, well.
W~
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Just make night time last a 1/2 hour. That would be short enough so you can still grab a fight in a lunch hour, or if you only on for a quick hop or two.
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Not once Dred, did you voice your opinion on what should happen.
Most of the people who have high post counts don't have anything to say. They just plop down on any contreversial post and say, "Where's the popcorn?" It's like you aren't smart enough to form a rational thought or post.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
[Then someone else will make the claim that HTC got rid of night because "most people logged off during night time" and "most people didn't want it" Which is untrue but it will be claimed anyway.
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Hey there Dred,
Just out of curiosity why was night time removed? Would it not work with AH2??
LTARokit
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Not once Dred, did you voice your opinion on what should happen.
Most of the people who have high post counts don't have anything to say. They just plop down on any contreversial post and say, "Where's the popcorn?" It's like you aren't smart enough to form a rational thought or post.
Do a thread search on the subject. I've stated many times I was for night, and why, and how I thought it should be done so as to be fair to everyone.
I've argued/debated the point and seen it debated back and forth over and over and it almost always ends up the same place.
Hence the reasoning behind my post.
Odd. just did a thread search myself and cant find the threads I KNOW I participated in with regards to this subject.
Maybe Im just tired or they were threads that started about one subject then chenged to another.
But I know I've argued FOR night
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Originally posted by LTARokit
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
[Then someone else will make the claim that HTC got rid of night because "most people logged off during night time" and "most people didn't want it" Which is untrue but it will be claimed anyway.
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Hey there Dred,
Just out of curiosity why was night time removed? Would it not work with AH2??
LTARokit [/B]
Hightechs given reason for its removal went something like this
"to put the complaints on the other side of the fence for a while"
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I would like to see the return of night too.... and never wanted it to go away. Rather than messing with gamma, the best way to see at night is to turn off any lights in the room, or only have a small lamp so you can still see your keyboard to type. I actually have a keyboard that lights up so it wouldn't be a problem for me, but have never had a chance to use it yet due to no night.
The night only lasted 30 minutes anyway and the time shifted each time because the cycle was 13 hours, so I don't really understand how it could have 'always been night' when somebody logged on, unless the always happend to log on at a different time each day.
As for the ability to "grab a fight in a lunch hour", I should be so lucky! If you are talking about playing at work, as I know many do seem to, then count yourselves lucky you are able to without getting sacked! I have internet access at work, but everything goes through a central server and is heavily monitored. I can't even access the forums from work, nevermind download and play Aces High. Even instant messaging is disallowed, as I found after accessing ICQ via their website for a short while a couple of years ago - my employers blocked the site and complained to my boss. :(
Anyway, bring back the night.... it doesn't last long and the time of night shifts by 2 hours every 26 hours. :)
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tks :)
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Yes please night!!!
While at it bring in weather effects as well!!!
Tex
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Originally posted by LTARokit
tks :)
Welcome
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:aok :aok :aok
The DHBG is all for night time again!
lets get back to sim and away from arcade
Turbo
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Can I but-in between lasersailor and drediock for 1 sec pls? Lasersailor, sir may I say that you yourself have not posted any of your thoughts about the topic everyone is discussing about here?
So anyway, I've never seen night in AH and since I think it would be a cool experience to blast some la's outta the sky then I'm all for putting night back in the game. Bring me night
WE LOVE THA MOON!!!! :rofl
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not having night time to play in occasionaly is like not having the occasional day of blizzard when you're snowboarding.
sure, you cant do your best for the short time the blizzard is blowing, but a few hours later, when hell has calmed down, the piste is fresh and beautifull, the powder is soft and virgin.
if you were fishing for a hobby, wouldnt you get bored if everyday you caught a 30lb carp and swigged beer in the blistering sunshine day in, day out?
if you were a race car driver, wouldn't you get fed up if your rivals never spun off just infront of you because there was a light shower of rain just before race time?
if you were a mechanic, wouldnt it suck if every car you lookd at was in perfct order and needed no hard work?
if you were a pilot, wouldnt it suck if every day you flew there was perfect clear skies and visibility for hundreds of miles?
.....er....yes thats the circle complete.
Bring back the night time.
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I'm for night. With and without the moon.
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Bump^
:aok
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For those of you who are definitely against bringing back night time
. I have the perfect solution, and once I figure out how to post this picture on the thread it will make sense & everyone will be happy :)
(continued later)
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Night time was the worst part of AH1..
period!!
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Tojo you are wrong.
You were theworst thing about ah1
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Originally posted by doobs
Tojo you are wrong.
You were theworst thing about ah1
LOL :lol
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ToJo, have ya seen the newly rendered night time? It is way Gnarley dude, and fun to fly in (tunisa map in CT had night time)
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Dude, have you seen the newly rendered night time?
It is awesome to fly and fight in.
Cant see well enough to fight in the dark without increasing the gamma in game, which defeats the purpose of it being dark in the first place.
I for one hope we never see another night in AH....ever. If I wanted to play games in the dark I'd either go to WWIIOnline or start up a game then turn off my monitor! :D
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Originally posted by Elfie
Cant see well enough to fight in the dark without increasing the gamma in game, which defeats the purpose of it being dark in the first place.
I for one hope we never see another night in AH....ever. If I wanted to play games in the dark I'd either go to WWIIOnline or start up a game then turn off my monitor! :D
Thing is if you cant see at night here then your gamma isnt set correctly to begin with.
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Originally posted by Elfie
If I wanted to play games in the dark I'd either go to WWIIOnline or start up a game then turn off my monitor! :D
Try Doom3, oh wait I turned up gamma on that one too. ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Thing is if you cant see at night here then your gamma isnt set correctly to begin with.
Gamma in Windows is set at default, gamma in-game is set at 1.0 normally (default).
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Originally posted by DipStick
Try Doom3, oh wait I turned up gamma on that one too. ;)
So did I! :D
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Originally posted by Turbo76
:aok :aok :aok
The DHBG is all for night time again!
lets get back to sim and away from arcade
Turbo
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Precisely, :aok
(bet y'all would love to conduct night bombing ops)
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Originally posted by Elfie
Gamma in Windows is set at default, gamma in-game is set at 1.0 normally (default).
How old is your monitor?
I've noticed on the monitors over time the brightness degrades over time. I've also noticed the same thing happens to TVs
And I didnt realise just how dark my old monitor had gotten untill I got my new one
Plus monitors themselves are different. What you see on one monitor may be entirely different then you see on another.
In the Game when its night time it shouldnt be bright as day but not pitch black either.
Think Harvest moon.
Those few days every fall when the moon is so big and bright you can actualy read by its light.
In the game it should be light enough to see yet dark enough to that the effects of night make ya go "wow cool"
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They do model night like that, It is a good compramise.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
They do model night like that, It is a good compramise.
I know.
I was trying to describe what the game is supposed to look like at night with the monitor set correctly:)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How old is your monitor?
I've noticed on the monitors over time the brightness degrades over time. I've also noticed the same thing happens to TVs
And I didnt realise just how dark my old monitor had gotten untill I got my new one
Plus monitors themselves are different. What you see on one monitor may be entirely different then you see on another.
In the Game when its night time it shouldnt be bright as day but not pitch black either.
Think Harvest moon.
Those few days every fall when the moon is so big and bright you can actualy read by its light.
In the game it should be light enough to see yet dark enough to that the effects of night make ya go "wow cool"
Night time in AH isnt as pitch black as it is in say WWIIOnline, but it's still dark enough that you cant tell which way a plane in manuevering. Tis why I said I cant see well enough to fight in the dark.
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In this past this issue has flipped first one way, then the other. I'd like to see it settled once & for all.
In the Wintertime when more people tend t o be flying, leave the night/dark to an absolute minimum.
The other 6 months in the Summer, lets have Nighttime. Ideally it would happen after midnight, and after 12 noon. So as not to inconvienience those who dislike it.
But those of us who enjoy it could plan for it.
Another thing, it seems that most WWII movies I've seen shows a lot of differnt colored flares being used. Both parachute type and the shoot up in the sky kind.
With the cool new effects you guys are pulling off don't you think it would be sweet if we could pop out a white, red, or green flare?
Need a bit of light to land, drop a flare at 2k, circle out and land before it hits.
Need to mark a enemy GV force coming in, drop a red flare over it. Shows everyone on your side where to look and makes them easier to see.
Nighttime could be cool if we can work with it.
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You know the nighttime is the right time babee:cool:
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Would even 20 or 30 minutes (even an hour) of night be that bad? Even if we didn't have to go through an entire night cycle it would be nice to let it "get dark" and then "get light". It would be nice to fly some dawn patrols--you know, roll out very early (while still dark) and gain some sky to be ready when the light hits and the late risers start flying again.
Would also be a real gripper to have to fight night GV battles. Even if the real fighting didn't start till "dawn", all of the maneuvering and battle prep would be interesting.
I just think it would give us some additional flavor and be a refreshing change from the same-old-same-old. I see both sides of the issue and I understand what people are saying about not wanting to even try and play when it is night. However, there is a large group of people that want the night and another group that would just like some variety.
More daytime/nighttime, clouds, weather, wind!
Fewer trees!
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Originally posted by Ghosth
In the Wintertime when more people tend t o be flying, leave the night/dark to an absolute minimum.
The other 6 months in the Summer, lets have Nighttime. Ideally it would happen after midnight, and after 12 noon. So as not to inconvienience those who dislike it.
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Not bad idea (s) Ghosth
Kinda like opposite seasonal night time hours......long in summer, short in winter. Works real good from were I'm from....where the nights in winter are amost 24 hrs. & during the summer zero hrs.
As for the Flares........another good idea (:eek: Damn Ghosth 2 in a row :lol ) flares were (are) just another tool to combat against darkness. Returning missions...bombers could be armed with flares....or the C47 could have the option of loading 10 flares. C47 ups just prior to arrival of returning mission.....drops load of flares over field for landing.
GVs with cannons have same option.......for night time ground warfare......instead of picking up smoke, load Starburst flares. You hear them but can't see them....pop a flare. That would also help regarding air support in spotting ground targets.
I for one support the return of night time. But then I look at night as another weapon, one of stealth.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Precisely, :aok
(bet y'all would love to conduct night bombing ops)
You bet we would!
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I think that mechanic has put it better than anyone else so far...
A change is as good as a holiday....
Man some of my landings would be funny if i was sliding on a wet runway. hell they are funny now:)
Again I think there should be a second arena with night weather ect.
If you just want to furball and look at the blinding sun how bout a map with two 1 sector apart base's with unbombable FH's..
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How about a "Fly in the Dark" Arena. :p
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Originally posted by DipStick
How about a "Fly in the Dark"
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No No, can't stand that...keeps ya up all night....buzzin ya when ya tryin to sleep......disappears when ya turn the light on & hides til ya turn the light back off.......................... ..................never mind:confused: