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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: DiabloTX on April 30, 2005, 11:50:41 PM
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What if, and I mean a BIG WHAT IF, the CT had "proprietary" airplanes only availble for use in the CT for historical purposes? Let's say that the Mitsubishi J2M3 "Jack" or some such plane was available for use exclusively in the CT. Do you think that would bring the numbers back?
I think it could be a nice exclusivity to the CT that would give it a special identity that the MA could never match. I know the development of aircraft is highly taxing to HT's resources but I think it would make the CT unique rather than having a sort-of "mini MA" image.
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yea we need the He 111 and JU52 but u know the saying if its not good in the MA its not good for AH
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This idea has been tossed around for a long, long time... and I believe the answer was NIEN!
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The CT may be starting to recover a little. AH II coming out may have had more to do with the decline of the CT than anything else. Most guys are just more interested in flying in the Main , period.
When we get CT converts , we just got to work on keeping them interested. Best we can do is keep the setups as interesting as possible , and keep promoting the CT. The only way your going to see a big increase in CT attendance is the MA going down.
If we really want numbers to increase people are going to have to pay attention to some of the complaints MA guys make about CT. Things like limited icons , and others. If we keep ignoring complaints about CT, and refusing to consider making changes to intice more people.................... I just don't think we're ever going to get a big boost in numbers.
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I have seen, in this current setup, a few from the MA come in and leave, for the simple reason that it is way too far to fly to get a fight. The bases are too far apart. period.
I like this map, but we need to add more bases and get some a little closer to each other if we are going to continue to use it.
For the most part though I have noticed a more level headedness, and indeed, a more polite and fair play environment in the CT as of late. This in iteslf will garner more participation.
CT'rs!
RTR
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Originally posted by Shifty
If we really want numbers to increase people are going to have to pay attention to some of the complaints MA guys make about CT. Things like limited icons , and others. If we keep ignoring complaints about CT, and refusing to consider making changes to intice more people.................... I just don't think we're ever going to get a big boost in numbers.
We did that and it made no difference. We asked in a poll several months ago and the overwhelming #1 reason MA folks didnt play at that time was "we hate the limited icons". So we changed it, posted it in the General forum, and nothing happened, nothing. Then people started saying they wanted the CT to be an alternative to the MA with different settings and such. What do they want? It cant be both at the same time.
I'm of the same mind as Oldman, I feel there is just a small portion of the AH population that is going to like the CT no matter what its set up like. The majority want to be in the "big" arena, they dont care which one it is as long as its where the most people are. That is 95% of the AH player base and there is nothing the settings can do about that.
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Maybe you need to provide an alternative to the "Horde Capture/Win Reset" model of gameplay.
Turn off the base capture and make this the "Fightertown" idea that is continually brought up in the General Discussion. Use appropriate maps that don't require a long flight to the fight.
Yeah, the Bomber Boys and GV Aficionados will be downhearted but how many of them do you really get in here anyway?
I have no idea if it would work but it is something you could try for a coupel of weeks.
It's not like the place could really lose much participation.
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To me, the big appeal of the CT is the historical match-up of plane types.
The next most appealing thing to me about the CT is that early war planes can be successfully flown and fought as designed. After experiencing the MA, one would think that early war planes sucked, when in fact they ruled the skies in their time. Personally, I prefer early war planes more than the later ones, I also find the beginning and middle of the war more interesting than the latter. I also prefer more limited plane sets to broader sets.
The biggest bummer about the CT to me is base distance. A few CT maps have a few bases that are closer than any MA maps; IMO the most AH fun occurs when there is a nonstop on-the-deck knife fight between two close bases. I’ve been flying online sims way to long to enjoy one second of flying TO the fight; I want to be IN it non-stop.
IMO, nothing would help promote a better turnout in the CT than significantly closer bases.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
...I prefer early war planes more than the later ones, I also find the beginning and middle of the war more interesting than the latter. I also prefer more limited plane sets to broader sets....
....IMO the most AH fun occurs when there is a nonstop on-the-deck knife fight between two close bases. I’ve been flying online sims way to long to enjoy one second of flying TO the fight; I want to be IN it non-stop.
eskimo
Totally agree.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
To me, the big appeal of the CT is the historical match-up of plane types.
ditto
Originally posted by eskimo2
IMO, nothing would help promote a better turnout in the CT than significantly closer bases.
eskimo
I would like to see this as well...
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
What if, and I mean a BIG WHAT IF, the CT had "proprietary" airplanes only availble for use in the CT for historical purposes? Let's say that the Mitsubishi J2M3 "Jack" or some such plane was available for use exclusively in the CT. Do you think that would bring the numbers back?
I think it could be a nice exclusivity to the CT that would give it a special identity that the MA could never match. I know the development of aircraft is highly taxing to HT's resources but I think it would make the CT unique rather than having a sort-of "mini MA" image.
hmmm you want 353 player pay for plane used in an Arena with Zero players ?
(Zero player at the time of this post.)
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Remove Gv's, use Bob map for a month and try to create the feel by using plane sets year by year between 1940 and 1944.....
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Ok forgot to add since no one is in the place now adays ask HTC to open the MA to the H2H crowd. Would't cost them anything, would still be running the servers and it might get some people to pay for a full MA service.
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I think he means open CT to HTH players. And yes, it would cost HTC a lot. Each person that took advantage of this would be that much less that HTC gets in revenue, and that much more bandwidth they have to pay for every month.
Not to mention there are a LOT of tards in HTH. Trust me. I know. I live there. You might not want them all in the CT (LOL)
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Off the top of your head how much exactly would it cost? Difficult question I know but say 500 people used a free CT on a Regular basis for a month at a time thereafter they ante up?
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Everyone has the free 2 week trial. Why should the get an endless free CT? They had 2 weeks to try it already and didn't ante up.
I do like the BOB/no GV rolling planeset idea though. I'd play that, especially if the icons were standard.
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Originally posted by straffo
hmmm you want 353 player pay for plane used in an Arena with Zero players ?
(Zero player at the time of this post.)
Don't misunderstand my point, I don't WANT anything. It's merely an idea thrown out for discussion.
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Ok so , btw I want the Jack too :)
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Originally posted by Toad
Maybe you need to provide an alternative to the "Horde Capture/Win Reset" model of gameplay.
Turn off the base capture and make this the "Fightertown" idea that is continually brought up in the General Discussion. Use appropriate maps that don't require a long flight to the fight.
Yeah, the Bomber Boys and GV Aficionados will be downhearted but how many of them do you really get in here anyway?
I have no idea if it would work but it is something you could try for a coupel of weeks.
It's not like the place could really lose much participation.
what he said
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Originally posted by Toad
Everyone has the free 2 week trial. Why should the get an endless free CT? They had 2 weeks to try it already and didn't ante up.
I do like the BOB/no GV rolling planeset idea though. I'd play that, especially if the icons were standard.
Well I'd like more people in CT as I think it's the best part of AH except 99% of people prefer the MA....perhaps make it a month free trial but only available in the CT.....as it's going I don't think people will ever move over to the CT in any numbers...too addicted to their late war faves in MA.
On the icons my pref would be 2000 for all cons.....
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Originally posted by Schaden
Well I'd like more people in CT as I think it's the best part of AH except 99% of people prefer the MA....
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OK, so we agree that the overwhelming vast majority of paying players don't agree with you about the CT.
perhaps make it a month free trial but only available in the CT.....
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You want HT to give away 4 more weeks of CT time after he has given them 2 free weeks of ALL ARENA AH time?
All these potential customers you envision HAD a chance to fly the CT in their 2 week trial. Obviously, it wasn't satisfying enough to get them to sign up.
as it's going I don't think people will ever move over to the CT in any numbers...too addicted to their late war faves in MA.
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Certainly they won't move to the CT as it has been and is. That's been proven beyond a doubt. I don't think it's the "late war" addiction that keeps them from coming over in droves.. it's that the CT really is just the MA with an Axis/Allied setup and less SA information than RL would offer with respect to icons.
They MAY come over if the CT offers more fun than the MA. That's the key. Why do people play games? For enjoyment, for fun... offer more enjoyment and watch them hustle over.
Otherwise... crickets own the CT.
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We actually have quite a few planes that have been added to the game with an eye to both the CT and special events. They are usually the early war a/c, and are only really competative in the CT or special events, they HTC does make them available in the MA. I would like to see some pre-war and post war a/c developed for CT-only use, such as the Spanish Civil war era a/c and the early jets (up through Korea, for example). The could be kept out of the MA (especially the jets and uber-props), but rotated through the CT and for special events. However, I can see where HTC would be reluctant to commit resources when some many a/c central to WWII are not yet represented in the primary game.
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Personally I dont think it would take much to get the CT bumped up a couple of notches....
Look at the DA...it often has 20-30 people up at one time.
1) closer bases cant hurt (of course I'm going off memory here:)
2) limited or eliminated Strat / GV's...in an arena with so few people why have them...personally "static" maps are better...after all its a tactical war scenario.
3) some side balancing (voluntary or forced) to keep things relatively even...
4) focus on planesets that are most appealing and/or balanced...
I honestly think that their are plenty of people who dont really like the MA...they just like the CT even less:)...so they leave or hit DA or fly scenarios....I dont think icons and such matters...also turn up ack to autokill:)...just "eliminating" the vulches will bring you a bunch from the MA:)
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OK so how bout this.
3 maps.
1-ETO
1-Pac
1-Russian Front (with one week Russian v Japanese. or include the late war Japanese in the 44-45 set and make it a 3 country war for that week.
Use one of those weeks for Finn-Russ also.
each one runs for a month.
During that time 4 plane sets
39-41
41-42
43-mid 44
mid 44-45
No perks, no scores, no base capture. Any bombing is strat, not airfields. No GVs.
Announce it loud and clear. See if possibly HTC would be willing to include an announcement as folks enter the MA showing what's 'playing' in the CT. Could be the LA and D9 fans might check it out.
Can't hurt to try
Dan/CorkyJr
And as a PS. The regulars would have to make it work and sell it to the folks they see new in the arena.
Gotta watch the griping about plane sets. Live with it. The war wasn't always even.
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Originally posted by Toad
OK, so we agree that the overwhelming vast majority of paying players don't agree with you about the CT.
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You want HT to give away 4 more weeks of CT time after he has given them 2 free weeks of ALL ARENA AH time?
All these potential customers you envision HAD a chance to fly the CT in their 2 week trial. Obviously, it wasn't satisfying enough to get them to sign up.
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Certainly they won't move to the CT as it has been and is. That's been proven beyond a doubt. I don't think it's the "late war" addiction that keeps them from coming over in droves.. it's that the CT really is just the MA with an Axis/Allied setup and less SA information than RL would offer with respect to icons.
They MAY come over if the CT offers more fun than the MA. That's the key. Why do people play games? For enjoyment, for fun... offer more enjoyment and watch them hustle over.
Otherwise... crickets own the CT. [/B]
Firstly I was merely giving an opinion and hoping to open a discussion on how to improve numbers in the CT, instead of merely *****ing and whining why don't you try to come up with an original idea?
if negativity is all you can offer crawl back into your hole.
oh and don't bother answering you're ignored.
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Originally posted by Schaden
Firstly I was merely giving an opinion and hoping to open a discussion on how to improve numbers in the CT,
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You did open a discussion. It was a short one. I think the reason for that is obvious.
instead of merely *****ing and whining why don't you try to come up with an original idea?
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Here's an idea: You quote me *****ing and whining in this thread and I'll show you my original idea in this thread, OK?
Ready, set, go:
Toad:
Maybe you need to provide an alternative to the "Horde Capture/Win Reset" model of gameplay.
Turn off the base capture and make this the "Fightertown" idea that is continually brought up in the General Discussion. Use appropriate maps that don't require a long flight to the fight.
Yeah, the Bomber Boys and GV Aficionados will be downhearted but how many of them do you really get in here anyway?
I have no idea if it would work but it is something you could try for a coupel of weeks.
It's not like the place could really lose much participation.
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Your turn.
if negativity is all you can offer crawl back into your hole.
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My "negativity" is solely directed at your astoundingly bad idea. Not only is it stretching it to think that people who already had a free 2 week trial will join up if given a free month of CT, it's simply incredulous to think that with ~99% of paying players preferring the MA there's this large number of H2H players that would pay after a free month of CT. Hey, if they were going to PAY statistics tell us the overwhelming vast majority of them will play in the MA,
Lastly, the idea that HT will give them twice as much time free to try his least popular areana is.... stretching it as well.
So, sorry if you view realism as "negativity". But there isn't anyway your idea would a) bring many people into the current CT idea or b) be approved by a shrewd businessman like HT.
IMO, of course. Maybe you just had the most brilliant idea in the history of online gaming. I've been wrong before.
oh and don't bother answering you're ignored.
My heart is plumb broke in two. Does this mean the engagement is over and you're giving me back my ring?
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There are no troops to grab bases this week. In hindsight I should have moved the lines further east for closer fights. The IJN does have a CV right off Rangoon however and so far its seems to be working ok.