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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: soda72 on May 01, 2005, 12:34:20 PM
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A6M2 has 140 Kills of Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk I has 91 Kills of A6M2
A6M2 has 116 Kills of P-40B
P-40B has 41 Kills of A6M2
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so, with a 2:1 k/d you're saying the a6m2 should be restricted?
:D
20 Kills of A6M2
13 Deaths by A6M2
19-11 in hurri
1-2 in p40b
sheesh, i have 15% of the a6m2 kills??
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Originally posted by Shane
so, with a 2:1 k/d you're saying the a6m2 should be restricted?
Looks to be a missmatch from the stats.. But then I looked at my stats...
7 Kills of P-40B
3 Deaths by P-40B
4 Kills of Hurricane Mk I
13 Deaths by Hurricane Mk I
Doesn't look like anyone flying a hurri should fear me when I'm in the arena...
However I think 40% of those deaths was from you...
But at least a managed to cherrypick you once... :p
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Well, from experience, the Hurc1 is fairly nimble and stable at low speeds. Has a good guns package (enough for at least 3-4 kills the way I shoot), and once it gets up to speed is decent. The Zero has ... shall we say "way enhanced abilities" since AH2 changed the way it flies. Luckily the_recent wing stress fix kicked in and the plane groans at more reasonable G-forces. The cannons are good for a few kills but then you still have the 7mm and 13mm to kick arse with. Turns tight, if less stable than the hurc1, and it can do vertical better than the hurc1 (I think it's lighter).
However, the P40B is slow, unmanuverable, unstable at slow speeds, has a crappy arse guns platform (I know this because I've been trying to get kills -- any kills -- with it lately). It brings nothing to the fight. If you dive in on a target you might do well. If you have the advantage you have a chance. But it's sub par compared to the other 2 planes here.
So if you don't want a sore heind-quarters, avoid the P40B. If you're uber like Storch is :D fly it all the time to make things challenging.
My $0.02 (USD) -- as usual unsolicited and unnecessary, but I'm working and bored right now.
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Guess the kill I got in the P40 the other night doesnt count then? Only reason I switched to Hurri's at all was because I didnt have enough room to takeoff with the P40 before I was in the fight. The mismatched guns package makes it more difficult unless you are used to them, but the 4x.30s and the 2x.50s work well enough. It's still a P40 though, it just needs alt for speed. 3k even and close to 200mph, I'll take it into a furball. But OTD, just after takeoff? Might as well paint a French flag on the side and give up before the fight starts.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Might as well paint a French flag on the side and give up before the fight starts.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Krusty
However, the P40B is slow, unmanuverable, unstable at slow speeds, has a crappy arse guns platform
Agreed.
But you should have seen Yucca flying that thing the other night. I was impressed.
- oldman
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What ever the stats are, you might want to add a couple of planes. It must have got old fast since friday.This setup is drawing about as much attention as a spelling bee.:rolleyes:
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Had some fun fights last night at your spelling bee.
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Originally posted by VWE
Had some fun fights last night at your spelling bee.
What time did you guys hit it last night VWE? Friday was pretty good, most I saw on at anytime after that was 6.
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A6M2 has 162 Kills of Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk I has 106 Kills of A6M2
A6M2 has 121 Kills of P-40B
P-40B has 44 Kills of A6M2
maybe the p-40E??
limited at a few bases???
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Or how about the FM2 substituting for the Brewster. Its OK to sub the FM2 for the Brewster in FinRus, why not here?
P.S. I've always thought the FM2 was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY[/b] too good to sub for the Brewster, no matter what the Finn's say about it. F4F is a better choice if you ask me.
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.squelch grits :)
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Originally posted by Grits
Or how about the FM2 substituting for the Brewster. Its OK to sub the FM2 for the Brewster in FinRus, why not here?
P.S. I've always thought the FM2 was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too good to sub for the Brewster, no matter what the Finn's say about it. F4F is a better choice if you ask me. [/B]
I've seen posted on this BBS that the model of the F2A used by the Finns was very different from the F2a used by the USN, RAF, and Netherlands . Maybe it was the abscence of carrier landing gear. I still think the FM2 is way too much airplane to pose as a F2A in any scenario.
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Originally posted by VWE
Had some fun fights last night at your spelling bee.
Yup, those were good fights, VWE. Was your radio broken?
- oldman
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problem with using the F4F is the 6x50cal guns package. At least the FM2 is limited to 4x50cal. That matches the punch a bit more closely, even if it out flies the brewster. What about subbing the SBD with honor system on the tail guns?
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No sir, I just don't tune 200... though I was chattin private with daddog.
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Originally posted by Grits
P.S. I've always thought the FM2 was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too good to sub for the Brewster, no matter what the Finn's say about it. F4F is a better choice if you ask me. [/B]
You are totally right. It's significantly faster. Otherwise it's pretty much equal except that it's a worse turner. The stock F4F would have been far worse compared to the B-239 in all terms except level speed and gun package. I dunno if the F4F would have been the better choice. At least there's much fewer whines this way.
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Originally posted by Krusty
However, the P40B is slow, unmanuverable, unstable at slow speeds, has a crappy arse guns platform (I know this because I've been trying to get kills -- any kills -- with it lately). It brings nothing to the fight. If you dive in on a target you might do well. If you have the advantage you have a chance. But it's sub par compared to the other 2 planes here.
Didn't Ben Affleck show how easy it was to shoot down a zeke in Peral Harbor after taking off from the runway??
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Its the HO factor... all American planes are superior in that regard.
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Not if they have weak MGs and the enemy has 2x20mm (lol) HO that and live to tell about it! :rofl
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Krusty, even with 2x20mm (weak ones) the Zeke will still blow up before any US bird, even the P-40b, in a HO.
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Originally posted by soda72
Didn't Ben Affleck show how easy it was to shoot down a zeke in Peral Harbor after taking off from the runway??
Yeah that was all an emotional based adrenalin rush brought on by Truekill stealin his woman. Besides he probably HO'd em.:D
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Meh p40's all had thick skins.
After the zekes 20mm runs out,its basicly chicken peking from there on out, unless the zeke is maby 300 yards out,his smaller guns would have more impact and MABY then brake thru. however from 800 out, no way..most if not all your ammo would simply BOUNCE off,something aces high doesnt model for PLANES ,range air speed,and deflection.
The end resault of a zeke fireing at from long rang at ANY p40 without useing his 20mm would be a nice fire work show from the rounds and tracers sparking.
Saw a gun cam once where one p40 flew RIGHT thru another p40's line of fire,needless to say that p40 sucked up the damage,and kept on truckin' you could SEE the panals flying thru the air as they blew past the fireing p40 "the guy who shot just as his buddy ziped past" and even tho the other p40 soaked up 3/4th of the total ammo spat out in under 1-2 second of fireing,the remaining rounds hit accuretly on the zeke the two had been chaseing, end resault..a scared p40 and one flame ball for a zeke.
wingtip to wingtip it sucked up all them rounds and kept on truckin'.
The only thing im not sure of is if the planes are p40b's or p40e's most likely e's granted the tracers came from the leading edges, but maby it was a B, with only his .30's fireing.
in any case,he too was chicken peking the zeke,so...."shrugs"
but the way the zeke blew up, with the amount of ammo "total" of the burst that did hit it, looked more like 50's..maby it just hit a nice spot.
:aok
Yeah yeah,so i love the 40.
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The first time you underestimate the 7.7's on the Zero you'll be feeding the fishes. I've downed 4 P-40's with just the 7.7's...
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A6M2 has 185 Kills of Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk I has 126 Kills of A6M2
A6M2 has 132 Kills of P-40B
P-40B has 50 Kills of A6M2
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Here is tip for you Zero drivers who find yourself low on the deck in a turn fight with a Hurricane... drop 1 notch of flaps and watch how fast you turn the tables on said Hurricane. :aok
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Hurri can surprise zeke pilots who underestimate it. Hurri shall blast zeke in first 2, 3 turns, if not, hurri is toast.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Hurri can surprise zeke pilots who underestimate it. Hurri shall blast zeke in first 2, 3 turns, if not, hurri is toast.
Stop actin like you know anything:p
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Stop actin
:o you caught me there, my life is ruined (http://www.death-valley.us/modules/Forums/images/smiles/moon.gif)
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Originally posted by VWE
The first time you underestimate the 7.7's on the Zero you'll be feeding the fishes. I've downed 4 P-40's with just the 7.7's...
Yes indeed, it is still a bullet, however the p40's "roughness" is not realy modeled well in aces high,nor for any air craft granted long range shots always do max damage,not depending on power,speed of the bullet closeing on its target,the angel..and how thick the metal/armor is where the bullets hit.
the "airframes" can suck up some damage,but x2 20mm to a zekes wing is the same to a p47's 38's and so on. "loss of plane parts/death"
point being, your 7.7 did max damage no matter the range or angel,where in all reality at 800+ out..your 7.7 would make a dent on the skin of a p40, nothing more.
But granted you probably were basicly flying right up there tail pipe 200- yards "zeke vs p40b" with your 7.7, its no wounder they blew up. :p
But yes, i do agree with you, even a 7.7 can kill someone in a few hits.
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HT has said before they DO model distance into the shot. It does lose power over range. There are also reports of a german soldier running across an opening to deliver a message and being hosed with a Tommy gun at long range. They found the spent .45s in his pockets and he was covered with bruises...
Doesn't mean it's fun to actually model a gun in a FPS that shoots like that. It'd be stupid. Have to find the mid-way point. I think AH has found it.
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If you're in the HurriI, don't forget to check your convergence. It really helps having it set from 150-200. Takes parts off at that range. :)