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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CMC Airboss on May 02, 2005, 01:58:42 PM
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One Auction – two builds!
We're just building bikes of our own flavor. Paulie's building a bike that, y'know, he designed and I'm building a bike that I designed. Mine's more of a seventies style and his is more a late model style bike. — Paul Teutul Senior
The proceeds from the sale of these bikes, and many other items consigned by Orange County Choppers, will be directed towards the families of our troops who have been seriously wounded or killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. More specifically, the charities are the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund, which provides unrestricted grants for the families of soldiers recently killed in action, and the Fisher House Foundation, a home away from home for families of seriously wounded soldiers being treated in military hospitals. Links to the charities and the show are listed below.
http://www.guernseys.com/
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I have to admit the bike from Paul Sr really looks lame.
I wonder if the auction price will reflect the difference in the skill of Paul Jr and Paul Sr.
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I kinda like the way his bike looks but them I also like the way bikes looked in that old early 40's style and on into the early 50's as well. The "choppers" today all look pretty much the same with different paint jobs.
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I agree that it looks really bad. However, I don't think that means that Paul Sr. is bad at building bikes. I think it just means that he got a dumb idea in his head and ran with it.
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yup, just more proof that JR is the one really keeping that company in business / on TV
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If it was a Jesse James bike from West Coast Choppers I'd be more interested... They're much more hand-made and customized. OCC pretty much picks "custom" catalog parts and adds some details. They've done some nice work but it's nowhere near the level that West Coast Choppers puts out. As an example, there's no way in hell OCC could have made the bike that Shaq had custom made. They had to hand-make everything on that bike because it was a totally odd size. Most of the core stuff on an OCC bike is made elsewhere and assembled at OCC.
Not that I could do that, but it's sort of like comparing the spice girls to Mozart.
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Originally posted by eagl
If it was a Jesse James bike from West Coast Choppers I'd be more interested... They're much more hand-made and customized. OCC pretty much picks "custom" catalog parts and adds some details.
i'd agree with that untill the last few bikes they have made.
with their new shop and tools, they are fabricating much more stuff, heck i haveseen paul JR hammering and fabricating tanks from scratch lately.
they are getting better
but... yes they are nowhere's near the level of jesse james. that copper bike he built, and going to learn to hammer copper for the tank and stuff was cool as heck. he's gotta be the most talented fabricator out there. even the "biker buildoff's" use mostly pre made parts, exception indian larry (rest in peace)
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Originally posted by eagl
If it was a Jesse James bike from West Coast Choppers I'd be more interested... They're much more hand-made and customized. OCC pretty much picks "custom" catalog parts and adds some details. They've done some nice work but it's nowhere near the level that West Coast Choppers puts out. As an example, there's no way in hell OCC could have made the bike that Shaq had custom made. They had to hand-make everything on that bike because it was a totally odd size. Most of the core stuff on an OCC bike is made elsewhere and assembled at OCC.
Not that I could do that, but it's sort of like comparing the spice girls to Mozart.
I think it's sound business to not make parts but outsource their fabrication to your specs. Especially if you are making a bike under the time constraints that they are under.
Don't get me wrong Jesse James makes some great bikes....he only makes about 20 a year, if that. (he does this on purpose to keep them "cool")
IIRC OCC Iron works (ran by paul Sr's other son) makes alot of their frames and parts. Like I said, sound business strategy.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
IIRC OCC Iron works (ran by paul Sr's other son) makes alot of their frames and parts. Like I said, sound business strategy.
actually "milwaukee iron" which they use alot is in Lynchburg, Virginia
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The white trash version of "bling bling" and spinners.
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Originally posted by JB73
actually "milwaukee iron" which they use alot is in Lynchburg, Virginia
I read that after Danny took over OC Ironworks they started doing their frames in house. They also started doing alot of their own custom parts.
I know they did at one point in time use Milawaukee Iron.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The white trash version of "bling bling" and spinners.
:D
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Like the fuel tank in the red one, looks like it will go atleast 10 miles before needing filling up. Then there's the handling and brakes. LOL
....-Gixer
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I was thinking the same thing. It looks like it holds maybe 4 liters max.
Lets summerize the relative points on Paul Sr bike.
Looks nerdy.
Impractical.
No range.
I would guess it will sell for a quarter what the other bike goes for.
However knowing Paul Sr. When he sees no one bidding on it he will submit his own secret bid at the last minute to bump up the price.
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Just heard this on a radio interview this week with Paul Sr. -
Look for a mass produced OCC line soon. Paul said that they are in the final stages of implementing a business plan that will offer Orange County Choppers to the motorcycle riding public that can't afford a custom chopper.
Might as well keep riding their wave of media exposure and the weekly free advertising afforded by the Discovery Channel.
MiG
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I saw paul Sr. and Mike at a recent tradeshow I attended. One of the companies had paid for a promotional bike. Paul looked bored signing autographs and I didn't pay that much attention to Mike (or paul for that matter). Not really my heroes, just some guys who lucked out in TV land :)
The bike looked cool from a distance, but up close some of the fabricating (particularly the welds) was a bit rougher than I expected from an expensive "custom" bike.
Charon
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what bike was it?
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It was for a company called PDQ that makes CarWash equipment.
Charon
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Originally posted by JB73
yup, just more proof that JR is the one really keeping that company in business / on TV
I disagree. What keeps them on TV is a combination of Sr's constant temper tantrums and Jr's constant drama queen behavior. Heck, Vin does all the work anyhow.
As far as custom bikes go, those clowns are pretty far down the totem pole. There are tons of outfits that make way better bikes, but lack that wonderful Soap Opera element.
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i'm waiting for the episode were jessie shows paul jr the english wheel, mikey comes in and then blows them all away.
the antics make the show not the xmas tree build, once paul sr starts with the botox, it should be even funnier.
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Originally posted by Habu
I have to admit the bike from Paul Sr really looks lame.
I wonder if the auction price will reflect the difference in the skill of Paul Jr and Paul Sr.
Paul Sr. is from old school, like me ~G~
His does much resemble the bikes we used to ride. In fact in those days his bike would have been considered pretty cool.
Paul Jr does build more stylish bikes, but I'm really sick of seeing over raked front ends. those things are great on straight roads, but taking turns is damn near hazardis.
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I was embarassed about my past as a biker enough I thought till all these disco boyz started building thbe disco balls of motorcycling..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I was embarassed about my past as a biker enough I thought till all these disco boyz started building thbe disco balls of motorcycling..
lazs
I'm not embarrassed about my past as a biker, but I may be embarrassed or regret some of the the things I did as a biker ~G~. The cross country runs to into the west are awsome memories.
Today, they build bikes as ratical *looking* as possible. It seems to be about that ultra wild look with zero regard for performance and handling. There are some huge draw backs to bikes with a 1/4 mile set of tubes for a front end. A very touchy front end and over steering is the first one. And a few bad pot holes can bend/warp the tubes in the middle. Literally stratching the fram kinda don't look good to me with all that empty room between engine and front frame and a tear drop tank.
In my day, during the 70s to early 80s, raking a front end between 4-6" (4" being standard) with a 21" front tire was perfrect (to me) to get the look and still handle pretty nice. The reason we never went much farther because beyond 6" cornering the bike became damn near dangerous. The fun kinda dipped with each corner.
A 4" example from WCC...
http://www.westcoastchoppers.com/bikes/gallery.php?galleryNum=1
The super stretch from OCC (looks like an 8")...
http://www.orangecountychoppers.com/allbikes/gallery/bike11_ex.jpg
I think Paul Sr.'s bikes sorta still carry that traditional balance between looks and handling. They are much more fun to actually ride.
I'll admit Paul Jr.'s bikes look awesome with the detailing, I just wouldn't want to ride one for very long. They may ride great on a long straight dessert road, but could you imagine 4-6 hours on curvy mountain roads?
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oh comeon ft....
what are you remembering? "some of the things" we did as bikers? EVERYTHING we did was meant to shock and destroy. The bikes we built (admitedly maybe a decade before your period) were rat bikes in the extreme... stripped down cop bikes that were for the most part worn out or hopped up to make the most noise and cause the biggest sensation..
one of those disco balls of (as funked says) "bling bling" doesn't even get anyone to put down their starbucks when they go by or end a boring conversation...
When we went by on our bikes people stopped what they were doing and ran to the windows and such to see.
our lifestyle was violent, criminal and parasitic. We had more rules than the SS.
"bros" killed each other for profit or meaningless "infractions".
But still.... it was less embarassing than those silly bellybutton greybeards building candyassed bikes for posers.
lazs
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You guys ever read what Easyrider Magazine editors say about OCC and the Tuttles? They will probrably spin this as another attempt to make more money and not about the troops...just like the prettythanghole editors did about the POW/MIA bike, just because Paul Sr. didn't serve...like no one that wasn't there has no right to show their respect and sorrow for fallen countrymen...old scholl bikers just living up to their reputation of being D!cks.
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astac... we were dicks.
lazs
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Some still are....Went to a bike rally in Tallahasse, FL....thought me and my friends might not leave allive..some "gang" called the Iron Ravans or something like that showed up and more less ruined the rally by intimidating everybody..god forbid if you looked at them the wrong way..which was apparently our crime that day..basically ended up being chased out of town by the prettythangholes.
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Originally posted by lazs2
oh comeon ft....
what are you remembering? "some of the things" we did as bikers? EVERYTHING we did was meant to shock and destroy. The bikes we built (admitedly maybe a decade before your period) were rat bikes in the extreme... stripped down cop bikes that were for the most part worn out or hopped up to make the most noise and cause the biggest sensation..
one of those disco balls of (as funked says) "bling bling" doesn't even get anyone to put down their starbucks when they go by or end a boring conversation...
When we went by on our bikes people stopped what they were doing and ran to the windows and such to see.
our lifestyle was violent, criminal and parasitic. We had more rules than the SS.
"bros" killed each other for profit or meaningless "infractions".
But still.... it was less embarassing than those silly bellybutton greybeards building candyassed bikes for posers.
lazs
Oh I remember the rat bikes, I didn't own one, but I road with a lot of guys who did. Some fo the crudest things, those were shock and awe just because they looked like they should/could have never been on the road. The basket cases that never got fully finished as to get on the road asap, or purposely made to be ugly as sin itself.
200+ bikes with short straights did turn heads, but people didn't smile and wave, once they saw what it was they prayed that we just kept going and didn't stop there. It was more like people saw their lives flash before their eyes ~G~.
How many times did you hear.."How much for your ol lady/*****?" "give me a bag of weed and she's yours..." ?
Even as crazy as it was, it still had great memories. I'm just glad those times are over for me. It got to be just a little too hairy with the club wars. Hell there were enough wars within a club, not to mention rivals.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
Oh I remember the rat bikes, I didn't own one, but I road with a lot of guys who did. Some fo the crudest things, those were shock and awe just because they looked like they should/could have never been on the road. The basket cases that never got fully finished as to get on the road asap, or purposely made to be ugly as sin itself.
200+ bikes with short straights did turn heads, but people didn't smile and wave, once they saw what it was they prayed that we just kept going and didn't stop there. It was more like people saw their lives flash before their eyes ~G~.
How many times did you hear.."How much for your ol lady/*****?" "give me a bag of weed and she's yours..." ?
Even as crazy as it was, it still had great memories. I'm just glad those times are over for me. It got to be just a little too hairy with the club wars. Hell there were enough wars within a club, not to mention rivals.
WHOOPS! I cussed, was an accident. ;-)
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every bike was either a rat bike or a dresser.
We didn't want people to wave and smile.
lazs
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Looks like Paul Sr's sold for 50k and the other one went for 150k.
That is a lot of money for 2 wheels. Could get a Air Repair Stearman for that price. Lots more fun and way cooler.