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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DipStick on May 02, 2005, 09:10:57 PM
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It's just pathetic. What's the problem? The players? Can it be fixed?
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Originally posted by DipStick
It's just pathetic. What's the problem? The players? Can it be fixed?
I think your just picky :P. MA gameplay is great, and always fun. H2h gameplay is great, and always fun, Aceshigh 2 is great and always fun. :)
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I rest my case.... :rolleyes:
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Yes it can!
Join the Dark Side!
* We blame the late war planes for every bad thing happening in the MA.
* We also advocate host/system restrictions and management
* We are control freaks and materialists, and believe the MA can be restructured by changing its systems, instead of praying and preaching to the individual to become good and undweebey pilots.
Come now! Feel the kinkiness flow in your veins!
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Yes it can!
Join the Dark Side!
* We blame the late war planes for every bad thing happening in the MA.
* We also advocate host/system restrictions and management
* We are control freaks and materialists, and believe the MA can be restructured by changing its systems, instead of praying and preaching to the individual to become good and undweebey pilots.
Come now! Feel the kinkiness flow in your veins!
:cool:
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overuse of the quote function should be perked.
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Originally posted by mechanic
overuse of the quote function should be perked.
Nah, but it sure is cool tho!:p
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Great GAme..I love MA..I love SEA's...
I hate crappy FPS'
gimme small desert maps: )
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First off, Jetb123 go do something, anything!
Second, so what is it in your opinion that is pathetic?
"what's the problem" ? ok, I give with what?
Can what be fixed?
I'm missing something:confused:
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Originally posted by MOIL
First off, Jetb123 go do something, anything!
Second, so what is it in your opinion that is pathetic?
"what's the problem" ? ok, I give with what?
Can what be fixed?
I'm missing something:confused:
Do what?
So what is it about you thats so pathetic?
"What should I do" ?
I'm missing something:confused:
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lol Jetb trying to flame and troll. :lol
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As long as we have the electricity mentality in the MA I seriously doubt it can be fixed.
The Electricity Mentality: The compulsion to find the path of least resistance. (and complain when you fail to achieve it)
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Look for new levels of FUN! Like....
...see 30 guys circling a field, everyone diving in to get the poor souls trying to up. See that there is ONE fighter hangar up. Blast it and be popular :p
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I understand where you are coming from Dipstick. I have been searching for that better gameplay as well. Some nights its just not there. For a while I was staying at about 3k off the deck flying into certain death just for the excitement, only to have a mustang try to cherry me, so I turn into him, roll onto his 6 in enough time to watch him fly away and not look back.
Seems like for most folks, if you show the tiniest hint that you won't be an easy pick they are out of the area like a fat kid at a dodgeball game.
If you get any ideas Dipstick, I'd be happy to listen to them. Flying with you guys on the Furball Underground events was fun, with summer approaching I haven't had that time free, but if you want to wing up some night let me know. Or even go to the DA.
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Originally posted by DipStick
It's just pathetic. What's the problem? The players? Can it be fixed?
Maybe they have more than a random amount of oil on their windscreens! :p:rofl
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I dont know about anyone else but I have seen the gameplay greatly change from the time I first started which was about 2 years ago. Back then people didnt go to insane amounts of altitude like I see today where people go 18k+ to go 1 sector away or over their own base. I also see alot more people running from 1v1 fights or 2v2 and run for help. Ive also seen many more and more people using the ho tatic which gets really annoying rather than trying to use ACM. Usually when I see a possible ho, I wait until they start firing than I fire and my 38 guns usually win. Also more and more people are flying BnZ fighters that I have noticed or would rather BnZ than turn. Ive seen more and more spits of all models BnZing, 109s of all models, 51s, 38s, 190s, la7s, yaks, and even hurris BnZing especially some of those fighters should be turn fighting suchs as the hurris and spits and even the 109F.
But at least 2 years ago when I first started pilots were willing to turn and fight than run like crazy. Ive also noticed even with the change HT made with fuel limit porking (which I thank HT for because it saves from flying 2 or more sectors to a fight) people will pork FHs when their is a good fight going on and people enjoying it and ask not to pork fields and people do it anyway. It makes most people mad on both sides when this is done because most people enjoy having good fights and then some idiot destroys maybe the fight of the night by porking the field. If you want to pork a field, then go to town on a field not being used so it doenst affect anyone else enjoying a good time.
Hoarach
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Originally posted by Hoarach
I dont know about anyone else but I have seen the gameplay greatly change from the time I first started which was about 2 years ago. Back then people didnt go to insane amounts of altitude like I see today where people go 18k+ to go 1 sector away or over their own base. I also see alot more people running from 1v1 fights or 2v2 and run for help. Ive also seen many more and more people using the ho tatic which gets really annoying rather than trying to use ACM. Usually when I see a possible ho, I wait until they start firing than I fire and my 38 guns usually win. Also more and more people are flying BnZ fighters that I have noticed or would rather BnZ than turn. Ive seen more and more spits of all models BnZing, 109s of all models, 51s, 38s, 190s, la7s, yaks, and even hurris BnZing especially some of those fighters should be turn fighting suchs as the hurris and spits and even the 109F.
But at least 2 years ago when I first started pilots were willing to turn and fight than run like crazy. Ive also noticed even with the change HT made with fuel limit porking (which I thank HT for because it saves from flying 2 or more sectors to a fight) people will pork FHs when their is a good fight going on and people enjoying it and ask not to pork fields and people do it anyway. It makes most people mad on both sides when this is done because most people enjoy having good fights and then some idiot destroys maybe the fight of the night by porking the field. If you want to pork a field, then go to town on a field not being used so it doenst affect anyone else enjoying a good time.
Hoarach
What would you suggest?
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Hoarach - what was your gameplay ID, two years ago?
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Also more and more people are flying BnZ fighters that I have noticed or would rather BnZ than turn.
Hoarach
The unmitigated gall of some people amazes me. BnZ'in in a BnZ fighter? Everyone should turnfight everything. That's the way it was in WWII. :rolleyes:
Woof
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
The unmitigated gall of some people amazes me. BnZ'in in a BnZ fighter? Everyone should turnfight everything. That's the way it was in WWII. :rolleyes:
:rofl
Classic! I wish I could think of those one liners. And so true...
:aok
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Inhale, kill, exhale.
Anything more is superfluous.
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Originally posted by mechanic
overuse of the quote function should be perked.
Only be perked if it was a late war RAF quote.
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/844_1115216388_jerkface2.gif)
Sick Face....hehehe
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Originally posted by Hoarach
people will pork FHs when their is a good fight going on and people enjoying it and ask not to pork fields and people do it anyway. It makes most people mad on both sides when this is done because most people enjoy having good fights and then some idiot destroys maybe the fight of the night by porking the field. If you want to pork a field, then go to town on a field not being used so it doenst affect anyone else enjoying a good time.
Hoarach
And don't destroy the VH because people could be having fun if they didn't destroy the VH as soon as it comes up. And to use the "most" word. "Most" people would up a GV at a capped field rather than have fun being a vulch while rolling down the runway. The "rest" of the people might actually have time to go wheels up if some idiot didn't come in and take down th VH's:D
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Originally posted by LePaul
Look for new levels of FUN! Like....
...see 30 guys circling a field, everyone diving in to get the poor souls trying to up. See that there is ONE fighter hangar up. Blast it and be popular :p
I took my shiny P38 and done that before. Then vox comes alive by saying "Who the hell killed that last FH". I just sit back and laugh and the score potatos and crybabys whine cause now they cant vulch. Guess the short bus dropped them off early that day.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Seems like for most folks, if you show the tiniest hint that you won't be an easy pick they are out of the area like a fat kid at a dodgeball game.
That's sig material there Howie!
I'll take a stab at what DS might be saying, at least this is how I feel the MA has turned...
Kweassa hit on it, the MA is predominantly a late war arena, 65% of the planes in the air at any given time came out around D-day or later, and I'll wager that 35% of them were 1945 releases. Lets face it, if you are flying one of these birds, and are of average skill level (by definition most of the players) and allow yourself to get low or slow (god forbid both!) you are dead meat if you run into an earlier or higher aircraft. Don't start flaming me, these are generalizations and were not meant to apply you your 133tne$$. The end result being La7s/Doras/Ponies that wont get under 400mph for any reason whatsoever.
The other main affect I've seen grow over the years is the "war winning" mentality. I see a large percentage of the population that seems to only concern themselves with base-capture. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but when that becomes the majority mentality then finding "good fights" is going to be harder. I've never understood the desire to "win" something that can't be "won". I guess the perk points are worth anything to some folks, but it is relatively easy to get 20 perks per sortie if you fly a high ENY aircraft, certainly easier than actually resetting the arena which seldom happens in prime time anyhow.
I am a furballer at heart, I admit it. I see no benefit to my enjoyment from killing hangars (unless it is to exterminate those fuggin roaches...LOL!) all dead hangars cause is one of two events...nothing to shoot at or the inevitable approach of a dozen or more 15K Spits/Ponies/Doras/ElGays from the nearest base, neither of which add to the fun much in my opinion. We were musing on squad channel the other evening about how much fun it might be if there were a place for guys who like to do little more than dogfight to go. I guess it could be sort of like a tank-town but for airplanes only. A non-strategic place that did not affect war-winning, a place where there were no GVs, no strat, no troops, no cities, no ord...indestructible FHs, and indestructible field ack to discourage vulchers would help too.
That's my take on the overall "gameplay sucks anymore" feeling that I think is growing, thanks for listening.
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"Gameplay sucks anymore..."
What exactly are you trying to say?
That gameplay doesnt suck anymore?
That gameplay sucks even more? (if so more then what?)
That Gameplay sucks anyome? (if so is gameplay a he or is it a she? (if its a she where is she?))
Seriously your topic and post makes no sence what so ever to me.
But thats propably justs because Im a lyzdictic Swedetard.
Tex
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Originally posted by Edbert
We were musing on squad channel the other evening about how much fun it might be if there were a place for guys who like to do little more than dogfight to go. I guess it could be sort of like a tank-town but for airplanes only. A non-strategic place that did not affect war-winning, a place where there were no GVs, no strat, no troops, no cities, no ord...indestructible FHs, and indestructible field ack to discourage vulchers would help too.
Your nirvana is already there, should you wish to make use of it. There's a place which matches all the criteria you listed. It's called the DA.
:aok
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It isn't the players......
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
It isn't the players......
yes, its obviously the new hardcore graphix. noboody can dawgfite becoz da fpesss iz to low, dawg.
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Here is an example of the change. A couple of years or so ago I was in a squad with a few people. They where all fighters. They fought for the war, they defended bases, they furballed, etc. After I left that squad, everytime I met them and especialy their leader, I had my hands full and most of the times I died. There was no runing. If you met them, you had a fight. Their leader used to be known about how competitive he was.
If you meet them now, don't really expect a fight. The focus is on taking the base. They will HO, auger, gang, run and repeat until the oposition is gone, and then they will vulch for ever. They come in in huge numbers and if you actualy manage to kill a couple of them, they give up and go somewhere else. They can no longer be found is Spit9s or any pure fighter. 51s, TEMPS, and enything else that can run.
Is it right, wrong, don't know. It is a change for sure. All I can say is, if you want to win the war, don't you want it to be because you "WON" and not because you stole or horded a couple of undefended bases?
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Originally posted by moot
Inhale, kill, exhale.
http://www.jabostaffelhq.netprism.net
that has been the JB motto since back in AW, just an FYI ; )
as far as gameplay, i think it is a bunch of factors. some posted here:
Lets face it, if you are flying one of these birds, and are of average skill level (by definition most of the players) and allow yourself to get low or slow (god forbid both!) you are dead meat
as a generalization yes. you can be doing great, taking a dora down to full flaps, and really tearing it up, but there will always be that la7 or spit IX to come cherry pick you
The unmitigated gall of some people amazes me. BnZ'in in a BnZ fighter? Everyone should turnfight everything. That's the way it was in WWII.
along the same lines... it is annoying to be a spit or in my case a 109E and have that la7 or pony just zoom down, then back up like a misshaped yo-yo on a giant string.
on the flip side of that it is more annoying for that spit / 109e to complain to you in the fast plane that you don't "fight" you ARE fighting, to the strengths of the fast plane, not it's weaknesses. if i wanted to take a 262 and hover @ 160 on the deck, you;d say i was flying it dumb. if i were to take a spit5 to 25k and chase jugs and ponies around you'd say im flying it dumb.
the biggest problem i think is the instant reward society we have been designing in the world. people are getting greedier, more demanding, and easier. they want things their way, or they get upset. it is in the liberal ways of parenting nowadays. it is better to give the child what they want than to possibly "emotionally injure" them with dissapointment.
there is no "fat kid on the bench" in youth sports anymore, because he has to be allowed to play, even though he might be more worthless on the playing field than a lump of manure. that gives that child a false sence of ability, no matter what the activity is, and then that child expects to be able to do all things as well as everyone else.
flash forward to years later, this lump of a person actually thinks they can do anything, and have been given "help" and artifical accolades for so long they think the real world will be as nice. when someone comes along and does a task better than them, making them look bad, they get upset, and demand to be given the same respect / reward as the other person who can do "it" even though they can't.
this has also rubbed off on the parents, and much of society. gimme gimme gimme, now now now. i want my dinner instantly, and i will cause trouble at mcdonalds if my food isn't instant, and perfect. if a company doesn't make me a healthy food that is instant, i will sue the food makers for making me fat. it CAN'T be my fault, because i have been told im "special" and "perfect just the way i am".
with mentality like that propagating, everyone want's everyone else to fly "their" way, and of course everyone else is "wrong" in the way they play the game.
even the people who dont believe this new age crap get sucked into the world of it. here's voice A B and C whining up a tornado about how their gameplay or whatever is "right" and "the best" now voice D has to speak a little louder just to be even heard. of course with the dissenting view brough out, the tornado becomes a hurricane trying to drown out anything else, because they have been taught if they make more of a fuss, are louder, and more demanding, eventually their opposition will just give in to shut them up.
anyway i rambled on here, but i think you understand what my thoughts on the topic are.
it's not the gameplay per say that is the root problem
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Originally posted by JB73
everyone want's everyone else to fly "their" way, and of course everyone else is "wrong" in the way they play the game.
I try really hard not to use terms like right and wrong. There are different ways of playing and I don't expect everyone to like my way.
The thought of a "fighter town" approach I think has merit, but I don't think that the DA is it. There are actually folks in there practicing and having 1v1/2v2/3v3 fights that should be allowed to take place without a furball encroaching on them.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hoarach - what was your gameplay ID, two years ago?
My ID was Canaris two years ago.
Hoarach
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Edbert - Your right, MA is definately late war orientated now. About every other plane you come acoss is now a Lala, Dora or Pony, and usually at very high alts to give them the vultch/run/cherry pick opportunity.
Maybe T.O.D. will change things, but not holding my breath.
HT could save himself a lot of time/effort by getting rid of 75% of the aircraft in the planeset and only remodel those 3 and perhaps the G10.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Edbert - Your right, MA is definately late war orientated now.
It always was. The very first AH plane was the P-51 D.
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Originally posted by MOIL
Second, so what is it in your opinion that is pathetic?
"what's the problem" ?
The Electricity Mentality: The compulsion to find the path of least resistance. (and complain when you fail to achieve it)
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Look for new levels of FUN! Like.... see 30 guys circling a field, everyone diving in to get the poor souls trying to up. See that there is ONE fighter hangar up. Blast it and be popular
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For a while I was staying at about 3k off the deck flying into certain death just for the excitement, only to have a mustang try to cherry me, so I turn into him, roll onto his 6 in enough time to watch him fly away and not look back. Seems like for most folks, if you show the tiniest hint that you won't be an easy pick they are out of the area like a fat kid at a dodgeball game.
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Back then people didnt go to insane amounts of altitude like I see today where people go 18k+ to go 1 sector away or over their own base. I also see alot more people running from 1v1 fights or 2v2 and run for help. Ive also seen many more and more people using the ho tatic which gets really annoying rather than trying to use ACM. Also more and more people are flying BnZ fighters that I have noticed or would rather BnZ than turn. Ive seen more and more spits of all models BnZing, 109s of all models, 51s, 38s, 190s, la7s, yaks, and even hurris BnZing especially some of those fighters should be turn fighting suchs as the hurris and spits and even the 109F.
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the MA is predominantly a late war arena. Lets face it, if you are flying one of these birds, and are of average skill level (by definition most of the players) and allow yourself to get low or slow (god forbid both!) you are dead meat if you run into an earlier or higher aircraft. The end result being La7s/Doras/Ponies that wont get under 400mph for any reason whatsoever.
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I see a large percentage of the population that seems to only concern themselves with base-capture. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but when that becomes the majority mentality then finding "good fights" is going to be harder.
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I see no benefit to my enjoyment from killing hangars (unless it is to exterminate those fuggin roaches...LOL!) all dead hangars cause is one of two events...nothing to shoot at or the inevitable approach of a dozen or more 15K Spits/Ponies/Doras/ElGays from the nearest base, neither of which add to the fun much in my opinion.
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Here is an example of the change. A couple of years or so ago I was in a squad with a few people. They where all fighters. They fought for the war, they defended bases, they furballed, etc. After I left that squad, everytime I met them and especialy their leader, I had my hands full and most of the times I died. There was no runing. If you met them, you had a fight. If you meet them now, don't really expect a fight. The focus is on taking the base. They will HO, auger, gang, run and repeat until the oposition is gone, and then they will vulch for ever. They come in in huge numbers and if you actualy manage to kill a couple of them, they give up and go somewhere else. They can no longer be found is Spit9s or any pure fighter. 51s, TEMPS, and enything else that can run.
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Your right, MA is definately late war orientated now. About every other plane you come acoss is now a Lala, Dora or Pony, and usually at very high alts to give them the vultch/run/cherry pick opportunity.
All of the above and much more...
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rolling planeset.....
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Im sorry, but this game is great to me. After you havent played it since ah1 almost 1 year ago. Everything is perfect. I love how its harder to hit planes now, and how when you hit an aircraft particles, come off, and hit your plane. OMG I could talk for hours how I love aceshigh. Its a great game, and now, my days are never boring when knowing you can play a few good hours of aceshigh. HTC good job, and please wait awhile before going to ah3! so I wont have to upgrade again xP.;)
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Problem is jetb123 the 'eye candy' is being introduced at the expense of other aspects of the game.
Look at the trees, no-one thought to check the scale before they introduced them?
So we have 200ft+ high grandaddy redwoods, some right at the ends of runways.
Freaking grass you could hide a whole division behind!!!
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Problem is jetb123 the 'eye candy' is being introduced at the expense of other aspects of the game.
Look at the trees, no-one thought to check the scale before they introduced them?
So we have 200ft+ high grandaddy redwoods, some right at the ends of runways.
Freaking grass you could hide a whole division behind!!!
:lol :rofl
True.
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The game itself ie: modeling, graphics, etc... are great. HT has put out a beautiful product.
Some of you are not getting it. It's the gameplay that sucks. Anyone who has been here a couple of years and enjoys A2A combat knows what I mean.
How can we fix it?
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Dipstick - If only WE could fix it.
But as was shown with the side imbalance, WE wouldn't fix it, so WE got the ENV limiter.
As for the eyecandy - Graphics do not make a great game, they enhance it. Some of the best games ever made were back about 5-10 years ago.
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Originally posted by DipStick
The game itself ie: modeling, graphics, etc... are great. HT has put out a beautiful product.
Some of you are not getting it. It's the gameplay that sucks. Anyone who has been here a couple of years and enjoys A2A combat knows what I mean.
How can we fix it?
The gameplay does suck I agree, that's why there is a good number of us that quit playing a long time ago and waiting on TOD if that's even still in development. As for the graphics affraid those suck to, AH2 was a huge dissapointment in that department imho. Was expecting alot more then AH1 with skins and a few effects.
Dosn't take long to realise that all the new planes,vehicles,towns,trees what ever etc don't make an ounce of difference.
...-Gixer
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damn i just want to shoot something out of the sky with out lancs coming and carpet bombing the hole dang map you can have 20-30 gvs on a base and if the fighters cant take them out they think we cheeted and send thier bombers in to whip out the whole world thats ok cause it takes them bombers to beat us that cool
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Originally posted by DipStick
The game itself ie: modeling, graphics, etc... are great. HT has put out a beautiful product.
Some of you are not getting it. It's the gameplay that sucks. Anyone who has been here a couple of years and enjoys A2A combat knows what I mean.
How can we fix it?
Ahem, this is going to be embarrassing. :o I agree entirely with Dipstick! :eek:
How to fix it? How can you make people more interested in the wider aspects of the AH WW2 combat experience? How can you make them want to fly something other than P51/LA7/Yak9U or some other running plane? I have a few ideas, but things like RPS are likely to turn many of the horders (the ones being complained about in this thread) away. On a flat rate pricing plan, that would be unacceptable to HTC.
LOL - I always remember how the "freedom/more choices" gang insisted that being able to fly what you want etc. was a good thing. If threads like this are an accurate reflection of the result of that policy, then I beg to differ.
I agree with Gixer - Dosn't take long to realise that all the new planes,vehicles,towns,trees what ever etc don't make an ounce of difference.
As for whether TOD will be deployed, will it? It seems so many just want to go the horde/smashdown route even now - 6 months after I last played. If TOD will appeal to only 5% of the AH community, why would HTC go to any lengths to develop it?
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Originally posted by JB73
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the biggest problem i think is the instant reward society we have been designing in the world. people are getting greedier, more demanding, and easier. they want things their way, or they get upset.
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that gives that child a false sence of ability, no matter what the activity is, and then that child expects to be able to do all things as well as everyone else.
flash forward to years later, this lump of a person actually thinks they can do anything, and have been given "help" and artifical accolades for so long they think the real world will be as nice. when someone comes along and does a task better than them, making them look bad, they get upset, and demand to be given the same respect / reward as the other person who can do "it" even though they can't.
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it's not the gameplay per say that is the root problem
Sigh.
I find myself agreeing with JB73
Sigh.
Seriously, beyond the cultural deformities (hey! we can fix those before lunch break, right?), I think Edbert hit the nail on the head. Those who want to fight are playing a different game on the same field as the "war winners." Seems like every night soembody's berating us for not defending some base that's getting swarmed, when we're all busy having fun fighting. Apparently we rooks are particularly guilty of this sin; At least once weekly some air marshall whines how "rooks would rather furball than take bases!!" I always think, "and your point is.......????"
By the way, JB, not sure if you were in on it but had a great time Sunday PM when a bunch of JBs decided to do area operations over the same Vehicle bases that our squad, the Sky Pirates, were pork hunting over. Great evening of give and take -- with never a base capture involved! :aok
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Originally posted by beet1e
If TOD will appeal to only 5% of the AH community, why would HTC go to any lengths to develop it?
Because they said they would and TOD was suppose to be "the big thing" for AH2. And the main improvement over AH1's gameplay and design.
Just my two cents.
...-Gixer
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A few points of interest (history?)
Not all Squad's were created with nothing more in mind than furballing.
There's an old saying in gaming that's been around since before I began flying around 13 years ago now. The gaming industry tends to remain at the cutting edge of graphical design. You can keep up by upgrading your computer or get left behind. You can delay the upgrade for a while but the games are not going to stop getting better to wait for you.
The game is evolving. Those who chose to change with it will hang around and continue to have fun. Those who don't will post and whine. Eventually they will either leave the game, quit whining and play or continue to whine and play, much to the dismay of the rest of the community.
Did I mention anyone who can't find a fight must be porking rear area fields away from anyone else in the arena. :)
For every person that leaves a game two more show up for a looksee. If one stays the birth rate = the death rate, if you get my drift. While not much changes it's still not the best for the people the make the game because expenses go up with inflation and "status quote" might not be cutting it.
If TOD only appeals to 5% of the EXISTING community but brings in 10000 more players which percent do you think the makers will go after? Even if it brings in 5000 more players if you add the 5% they become the majority.
Oh yeah, the planes are there to fly no matter what era of the War. You need to learn to deal with them.
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Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by Gixer
Because they said they would and TOD was suppose to be "the big thing" for AH2. And the main improvement over AH1's gameplay and design.
This discussion has focused on three groups so far;
Those who are into nothing but dogfighting and honing their ACM skills.
Those who think this is just another FPS and want powerups added.
Those who are into strategery and want to W1N tEh WAAARR!!!111!
TOD will attract the other group, those who fancy themselves in the role of a WW2 pile it.
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Originally posted by beet1e
How to fix it? How can you make people more interested in the wider aspects of the AH WW2 combat experience? How can you make them want to fly something other than P51/LA7/Yak9U or some other running plane?
The problem is not in the plane but more in the attitude of the players.
If you are in a plane that can be outrun it your choice not the choice of the runner.
I'm more worried of the :
one pass *,I run
queers who are dominant in the MA
Nothing can't be done again this kind of players** and TOD will increase this kind of play as it's the smart thing to do IRL.
* preferably Head on.
** sidewinder can work.
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Originally posted by straffo
Nothing can't be done again this kind of players** and TOD will increase this kind of play as it's the smart thing to do IRL.
I certainly expect a bit more timidity in TOD, no question about that, but you also wont see guys who just leave from any fight they see in order to kill sheds unopossed either.
I don't want to get too far offtrack into a TOD discussion but running just to stay alive can hurt you in TOD if you fail in your assigned task. Sure you want to live but you also have a job to do.
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As everyone knows that AW was the best game ever, but the graphics were not as good as AH's. However in AW, people respected each other and the gameplay was there where people didnt tend to ho or run like hell unless their being chased by 3 or more people. However, AW had mostly people that cared about having good fights and the history of WW2. In AH, sadly to say, there are more and more teens joining AH that are flying just trying to have the best score and trying to make it an arcade game instead of caring about the history of WW2.
Hoarach
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Fighter Town.
Wadke
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Originally posted by Hoarach
As everyone knows that AW was the best game ever, but the graphics were not as good as AH's. However in AW, people respected each other and the gameplay was there where people didnt tend to ho or run like hell unless their being chased by 3 or more people. However, AW had mostly people that cared about having good fights and the history of WW2. In AH, sadly to say, there are more and more teens joining AH that are flying just trying to have the best score and trying to make it an arcade game instead of caring about the history of WW2.
FWIW, AH wasn't that way until after AW folded and the typical AWer tried to face the typical WBer :D (just kidding, calm down!)
I do agree with your second assertion though. Back when a typical monthly bill was $80-150 there were VERY few snotty kids playing quake-with-planes.
Wadke's right, WE NEED "FIGHTER TOWN"!
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May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view.
I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away. I am also looking for a good fight, and it is not interesting for me to turn with the early war planes. BnZ against Hurry is boring, TnB with Zeke is stupid.
So, I am looking for late war planes like Dora or Mustang. Fortunately, there are a lot of them, and looks like I enjoy this game much more than you.
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The problem is not in the plane but more in the attitude of the players. If you are in a plane that can be outrun it your choice not the choice of the runner.
I'm more worried of the :
one pass *,I run
queers who are dominant in the MA
Nothing can't be done again this kind of players** and TOD will increase this kind of play as it's the smart thing to do IRL.
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in AW, people respected each other and the gameplay was there where people didnt tend to ho or run like hell unless their being chased by 3 or more people. However, AW had mostly people that cared about having good fights and the history of WW2. In AH, sadly to say, there are more and more teens joining AH that are flying just trying to have the best score and trying to make it an arcade game instead of caring about the history of WW2.
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With current players, apart from Horde fighting all i can see is Buffs etc attacking VH chains. Problem with this is it entails a 20 to 30 minute flight before you can even try and stop them. What can you do when you cant fight a horde on your own, you hate flying with a horde even more, and the only alternative seems to be loooong flights to find buffs at 20k minimum. Currently really struggling to play more than an hour before game annoys me to the point of quitting. (Cavalear from another thread)
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Gixer -- The graphics are not a problem for "most" of us. We who like to fight want the best possible game / flight model. Graphics are nice as long as playability is not affected. AH2 has been that for a LONG time. The problem is NOT the game itself.
Beet1e -- The choice of plane is not much of a problem either. Ability to fly their choice in an agressive manner... may be.
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I fly to stay alive usually, couldn't care less about whether or not someone in a much more agile or faster aircraft wants to chest-thump about thier 733t skillz in a knife fight. Usually, I like to choose my fights.... guess that's part of the problem, but then that's why I look forward to TOD too.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
As everyone knows that AW was the best game ever, but the graphics were not as good as AH's. However in AW, people respected each other and the gameplay was there where people didnt tend to ho or run like hell unless their being chased by 3 or more people. However, AW had mostly people that cared about having good fights and the history of WW2. In AH, sadly to say, there are more and more teens joining AH that are flying just trying to have the best score and trying to make it an arcade game instead of caring about the history of WW2.
Hoarach
uh ???
Im' in AH since 99 and the behaviour I describe started to be visible when AW collapsed ...
Not to say there is a link but just to say it was not the norm years ago.
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>>uh ???
Im' in AH since 99 and the behaviour I describe started to be visible when AW collapsed ...
Not to say there is a link but just to say it was not the norm years ago.<<
Straffo:
I have a slightly different perspective, I have been flying AH for a while now, since before AW folded in fact; I also participated in the beta for AH before it went live; I was one of the first group of open beta testers. I came back over to AH when AW finally died it's long overdue death.
For me, the players in here at that time were a lot different than they are now, and it's easy to see that if you have perspective.
This HO, run away, fly the easiest and most uber a/c in the inventory, dive down from 25k and auger, was not as prevalent then as it is now. I don't know if the noobs are teenagers or not but, there is a definite difference in player type.
The AW folks who came over to AH did not bring that nonsense with them, in fact some of the games better pilits are from AW.
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I think Don and Straffo are both right. It started when AW went belly up, but has gotten worse since then too. Perhaps, just a theory here, it is a result of a full arena.
Back in the day (an old-man term) you could engage in a fight without having 10-20 guys show up 10-15K above you all of a sudden. My defense againt the high cherry pickers of late is to stay below 1K, it makes you pretty hard to pick without augering when they come screaming down at 450+. Of course that's easy to say in a SpitV, in a Pony that will only buy you a little time. But it might buy you enough time for your friends to show up at 10-15K over the heads of your pickers :D
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Respect is earned and a two way street.
Just as in AW there is always a small group (normally 10%) who talk the loudest, post the most and just think way to much of themselves in the game.
The other 90% are just a buncha dudes up trying to relax and have fun with the game. They also look at some changes as new challenges while other dudes think "ohmygawd, the gameplay is bad now!". Really? That bad? Did anyone notice it doesn't ruin the majority of the players gameplay in the least? They enjoy themselves. They normally don't get bored. When they do they take a break and not tell everyone how bored they are.
IMHO this is absolutely no different than AW. Well, maybe a little different regarding the game itself. Graphics are better, more planes ( too small :)), the programmers stay up on bug fixes, the game continues to evolve.
Personally, I've never had any problems with younger people playing the game but I am not their parents nor a babysitter for those few that need one. When peer pressure does not work, and we see that all the time both on the boards and the arenas, then management needs to moderate it.
The game is what you make of what's presented to you to play with and the people who make up the player base. Unfortunately, some Company's don't have time to keep a pulse on the feelings of the majority of the players and end up listening to vocal clueless few. When that happens it can have a negative effect and there becomes a tendency to push the average person way from the game. Most folks have a tolerance for the garbage of the select few but only up to a point. And no matter how good the game is they don't need the hassles. Those who are in silent majority will leave and no one even notices except maybe the management due to a loss of accounts. Sometimes they figure that out in time to save accounts. Sometimes not.
For the most part with us older vets the vocal minority have never earned our respect and they are ignored. Oh yeah, a vet with 2 or 3 years is only a vet to a noob :lol. We only speak up when we see those few trying to push people away from this great game. Hopefully the newby's look to the older vets and ignore those few too and just get up, fly and enjoy the game.
I was flying at the demise of DOS AW, MAC AW, AOL AW and all the rest of the AW's and flew alot of betas for them. The Damned were also a presence flying in every fighter sim game throughout the history of online dogfighting. There are also many other folks from other squads who have been around almost as long here is AH2.
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I guess my formulation was not prudent enought Don :)
I didn't want to say the collapse of AW bring to AH this kind of player I know lot of AHer are former AW player.
I don't know if my perception is right as depending of the map the player behaviour can be very different.
I personally hate the maps made by nobaddy for example.
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I think what people forget is that this is a game. People pay money to be able to play. When we signed up we did not sign a contract stating we would fly or fight a particular way.
I happen to agree that gameplay has changed over time but who are we to say how an individual that pays to play can fly and fight.
I am a C-Hawk and could be considered a young pup compared to the length of time the majority of them have been together. I find our group to be the most professional and helpfull people that I have come across in a long time. I would suggest others look for squads with this type of attitude and maybe it will spread throughout AHII.
All we can do is lead by example and hope for the best.
My humble opinion.
EZ
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i agree respect is earned not just given to someone to me its not about the perk points or the score its about having fun and earning the respect of other members of AH2 and giving respect to them as well when its earned i respect just about all the members i have to face and the ones that are in my country we might not see eye to eye but i still respect them
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Those who lead by example earn the respect of most of us old and new....
Respect is treating people the way you yourself would like to be treated and accepting the differences without trying to impose your will on them.
You can be the best pilot in the game but if you don't respect yourself or others, no one really gives a damn how good you are.
WTG C-Hawks
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Man a lot of hot air in some of these posts lolh.
It's not about respect. There is a major deficiancy in the current AH setup.
1) Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2) Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3) GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4) People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time. furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps. For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down. Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.
So what is the solution. A 9 block figher town in the MA. This would end much of the BS and hot air retorts to definate problem.
Those that say this is not a problem don't really understand the issue and most likely won't until they end up looking for what is missing.
If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.
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Originally posted by mars01
Man a lot of hot air in some of these posts lolh.
It's not about respect. There is a major deficiancy in the current AH setup.
1) Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2) Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3) GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4) People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time. furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps. For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down. Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.
So what is the solution. A 9 block figher town in the MA. This would end much of the BS and hot air retorts to definate problem.
Those that say this is not a problem don't really understand the issue and most likely won't until they end up looking for what is missing.
If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.
It sounds to me like you need to build yourself a nice H2H arena so you can get an air start, fight till you puke then do it all over.
For the rest of us the arena is fine as are the frequent furballs. You need to open yer eyes just a little. But if you're looking for 50+ furballs you need to lay off the booze. :aok
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It sounds to me like you need to build yourself a nice H2H arena so you can get an air start, fight till you puke then do it all over.
For the rest of us the arena is fine as are the frequent furballs. You need to open yer eyes just a little. But if you're looking for 50+ furballs you need to lay off the booze.
It sounds like to me your just a ---- lolh:aok All this from a guy that advocates bailing out as a form of game play.
Like I said...
If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.
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Originally posted by mars01
1) Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2) Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3) GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4) People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time. furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps. For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down. Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.
Total agreement Mars, when those rare furball (you now the ones where you can re-up and get back in the fight, the ones that those of ius who are no thte best sticks but are not afraid to get shot down really like) happen it never fails that some bunch of heros will come along and ruin it.
How would you feel if this were the case?
1) triple the lethality of flack for bombers. Thus making it much harder to pork a field with one flight of B24s from 20k.
2) speaking of flack, how about more of it. again principaly aimed at bombers.
3) harden the hangers more, thus making is harder to kill the F/V/BH's.
No you say, well if something like this was done for just one map then you might know how we feel.
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Originally posted by Edbert
We were musing on squad channel the other evening about how much fun it might be if there were a place for guys who like to do little more than dogfight to go. I guess it could be sort of like a tank-town but for airplanes only. A non-strategic place that did not affect war-winning, a place where there were no GVs, no strat, no troops, no cities, no ord...indestructible FHs, and indestructible field ack to discourage vulchers would help too.
Put it into the corner of a map, don't want to take the fun of toolshed killing out of the game as so many enjoy that I want them to have fun too. Maybe if they just made an indestructible FH at every base it would help prevent one school of folks from taking the fun away from the other shcool.
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Originally posted by mars01
It sounds like to me your just a ---- lolh:aok All this from a guy that advocates bailing out as a form of game play.
Like I said...
If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.
You're part of the minority 10%. I'd ignore you but I like discussing your whines. Shall we begin?
"Why can't I have it my way......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh h!"
"Why can't you create a fighter town in the middle of the map just for me.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhhhhhh!"
"If you don't think there is something wrong then you don't know what your talking about...waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!"
ROFL
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
You're part of the minority 10%. I'd ignore you but I like discussing your whines. Shall we begin?
"Why can't I have it my way......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh h!"
"Why can't you create a fighter town in the middle of the map just for me.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhhhhhh!"
"If you don't think there is something wrong then you don't know what your talking about...waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!"
ROFL
Well I here the same thing from the other side but mostly In-Game not on the BBS;
Small Maps waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhh!
Thier upping at the base I want to attack. Someone must be spying, waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!
Fighter hanger just popped, thier upping planes, waaaaaahhh!. Let's go somewhere else!
They found our goon and killed it waaaaaaaaaahhh! Someone must be spying
They intercepted our mission, waaaaaaaaaaahhh! someone must be spying!
You tell me which is more pathetic.
Your wrong if you think we want to change the way you play. We could care less how you want to play. We just wish you guys would actually wanted to engage in combat in this AIR COMBAT SIMULATION! All we can do is wish.
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Is furball underground still up and running? That event seems to be exactly what some are advocating, and it arrived as an emergent behaviour unplanned by HTC. Is there a problem with doing it in the DA?
There is a problem with having uncapturable bases -- they become strategic resources for the capture guys, even if they were intended for the furballers. Tucked away in a corner -- whose corner? Does that mean that P38s or 190F8s can up and go after troops against the bish, but cant reach the nit or rook bases?
I seem to remember that HT has addressed requests for "fightertown" in the past -- with a pretty clear "ain't gunna happen." HT seems to keep gameplay issues in the forefront, this game being his bread-n-butter, and jsut like he has reasons for not throwing out HO attacks he probably has reasons for not wanting fighter town.
Assuming that fighter town isnt happening in the near future, I guess I'm missing something -- when I'm in the mood for some furballing, I go to the Da and find the base with DAR. It's not 25v25, but if the guys who want "all furball, all the time" jsut get together on a day or time -- it COULD be 25v25.
Not trying to be smart, just asking
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I wish 1 night a week, HTC woiuld screw with us and at a certain time..bam..only these planes are available( likely early war)
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Is furball underground still up and running?
Yes.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Not trying to be smart, just asking
If Fighter Town were allowed to interfere with "winning the war" or base capture you are right. Not only would it upset gameplay but it would allow one type of player to mess up the fun the other type of player was or was trying to have. That is the point I think this thread is about in the first place.
As long as FT bases did not affect resets I don't think it would have an effect on the strategic guys.
RPS has been dicussed and dismissed, it still would not address the complaints by nimble aircraft that faster aircraft run away. But again, those complaints will never end and are not the core subject of this thread. The core problem is when a group of people seem to get off on ruining other people's fun, and I am somewhat shocked to see an AH trainer advocating it i must say.
I also don't think that making an all new arena is the answer either, we have the DA/CT and they dont get used very much, far too easy to step on someone elses toes who may be practising 1v1 2v2 etc. Which brings me back to that point about one guy messing up the fun the other is having.
I dont claim to know the answer, I'm just throwing out ideas. I think EZTGT hit it, we need to learn to respect those who like other aspects of the game. Driving 3 flights of B24 over a 1K furball to pork the bases seldom results in a capture, it merely disrupts other people's fun. Just when the call for showing respect came out and there was talk of leading by example...someone called the waaaahmbulance and it went straight to the gutter.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Assuming that fighter town isnt happening in the near future, I guess I'm missing something -- when I'm in the mood for some furballing, I go to the Da and find the base with DAR. It's not 25v25, but if the guys who want "all furball, all the time" jsut get together on a day or time -- it COULD be 25v25.
Not trying to be smart, just asking
Which is all well and good but if you only have 1-2 hours in a night to fly it just isn't the same. I do go to the DA at times but unless it's with my squadies a lot of the time it just not the same.
There's not the sense of team you get in the MA flying with your countrymen/squadies. I'm not a great stick but a lot of times the guys (not a slam) in the DA are not either. I like going up against guys like the BK's and other quality pilots. I don't mind getting my tail shot off by them. But I want to be able to re-up a plane and get back into the fight and not have to fly 2 sectors to do so only to find that the fight is gone because one side doesn't want to fly for 15 minutes to get there.
Scheduling a furball is fine. My biggest beef is with all those who go out of their way to AVOID the fight and those who do whatever it takes to supress the fight. For what? To take a base they are just going to abandon as soon as it's done? Many a time I have been with a group that has taken a base only to go somewhere else and leave 3-4 of us to try and defend it against the incomming enemy fighters.
I could go on and on but that would be pointless. As pointless as these discussions always are.
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May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view. I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away.
For the love of God why? La7 eats these planes alive. Although i'm just recently returned to AH, I'd salivate in my 51 cockpit over getting any plane 1v1. I'd be drooling if I got a zeke or hurri 1v1.
You need to work on your vertical game if you can't easily dictate a fight to a zeke or hurri, no offense intended.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Total agreement Mars, when those rare furball (you now the ones where you can re-up and get back in the fight, the ones that those of ius who are no thte best sticks but are not afraid to get shot down really like) happen it never fails that some bunch of heros will come along and ruin it.
How would you feel if this were the case?
1) triple the lethality of flack for bombers. Thus making it much harder to pork a field with one flight of B24s from 20k.
2) speaking of flack, how about more of it. again principaly aimed at bombers.
3) harden the hangers more, thus making is harder to kill the F/V/BH's.
No you say, well if something like this was done for just one map then you might know how we feel.
I know this is evil but hey:
4) Set up a mission for 5 to 10 guys in 190s to clean up the ord off from all airfields 3 to 4 sactors deep. It sould not take more than 15 20 mins and we will improve our attack scores too :rolleyes:. Maybe then they will figure out how we feel. :D :D :D
Man do I feel dirty now
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
You're part of the minority 10%.
The minority 10% is made up of mostly hard core vets who have been flying online for years, and realize that the thrill of the fight is what keeps us going, not blasting toolsheds and milking undefended fields. The other 90% loves to do this and thinks aerial frisbee golf (base capture) is what the game is all about. It's not.
If you don't realize that, keep your head in the sand and keep encouraging no0bs to fly in a chicken sh*t horde mentality style.
La7's suck
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Originally posted by Steve
May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view. I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away.
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OMFG!
Steve, who posted this?
Uh, lets see... go vertical, rope him? Pull a double immelman on merge and come over the top as he runs out of E?
The la7 utterly DOMINATES those two planes, and you fly away?
WTF?
Maybe this is just a case of acm ignorance, I don't know.
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Originally posted by Vad
May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view.
I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away. I am also looking for a good fight, and it is not interesting for me to turn with the early war planes. BnZ against Hurry is boring, TnB with Zeke is stupid.
So, I am looking for late war planes like Dora or Mustang. Fortunately, there are a lot of them, and looks like I enjoy this game much more than you.
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Ah, found it. You don't turn with them you pup! Use you huge E advantage and climb rate to utterly pwn the guy. It's very simple and if the hurri or zeke is alone, he is a total dead man.
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Originally posted by Stang
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Ah, found it. You don't turn with them you pup! Use you huge E advantage and climb rate to utterly pwn the guy. It's very simple and if the hurri or zeke is alone, he is a total dead man.
I give up.
What does "pwn" stand for?
(i am afraid i just set myself up for some abuse)
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Originally posted by Stang
The minority 10% is made up of mostly hard core vets who have been flying online for years, and realize that the thrill of the fight is what keeps us going, not blasting toolsheds and milking undefended fields. The other 90% loves to do this and thinks aerial frisbee golf (base capture) is what the game is all about. It's not.
If you don't realize that, keep your head in the sand and keep encouraging no0bs to fly in a chicken sh*t horde mentality style.
Well, maybe HTC have their heads in the sand, because their website states Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High.
Maybe you should drop hitech an email to tell him how much you think his game sucks.
AH help site reference: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?helphom.html
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well, maybe HTC have their heads in the sand, because their website states . . . . . Maybe you should drop hitech an email to tell him how much you think his game sucks.
AH help site reference: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?helphom.html
I don't think that the WEB page says anything about what keeps us going.
As far as sending him an email, well, he reads the BBS. But he likes to eat. 90% of the subscribers can provide a lot more food than the 10%.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well, maybe HTC have their heads in the sand, because their website states Maybe you should drop hitech an email to tell him how much you think his game sucks.
AH help site reference: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?helphom.html
LOL Beet, I love the game, I just don't like the horde mentality of base capture above all. I think we can agree on that.
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For me, the players in here at that time were a lot different than they are now, and it's easy to see that if you have perspective. This HO, run away, fly the easiest and most uber a/c in the inventory, dive down from 25k and auger, was not as prevalent then as it is now. I don't know if the noobs are teenagers or not but, there is a definite difference in player type.
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Back in the day (an old-man term) you could engage in a fight without having 10-20 guys show up 10-15K above you all of a sudden.
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It's not about respect. There is a major deficiancy in the current AH setup.
1) Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2) Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3) GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4) People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time. furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps. For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down. Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.
Those that say this is not a problem don't really understand the issue and most likely won't until they end up looking for what is missing.
If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.
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when those rare furball (you now the ones where you can re-up and get back in the fight, the ones that those of ius who are no thte best sticks but are not afraid to get shot down really like) happen it never fails that some bunch of heros will come along and ruin it.
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I like going up against guys like the BK's and other quality pilots. I don't mind getting my tail shot off by them. But I want to be able to re-up a plane and get back into the fight and not have to fly 2 sectors to do so only to find that the fight is gone because one side doesn't want to fly for 15 minutes to get there.
Scheduling a furball is fine. My biggest beef is with all those who go out of their way to AVOID the fight and those who do whatever it takes to supress the fight. For what? To take a base they are just going to abandon as soon as it's done? Many a time I have been with a group that has taken a base only to go somewhere else and leave 3-4 of us to try and defend it against the incomming enemy fighters.
Please ignore Ren. He adds nothing worthwhile to the discussion.
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Originally posted by Stang
LOL Beet, I love the game, I just don't like the horde mentality of base capture above all. I think we can agree on that.
Yes, I hated the hordes, which is why I suggested disabling the missun™ editor. I tried a few missuns in my early days, but quickly realised that they weren't about having a coordinated force; it was just numerical supremacy smashdowns. :rolleyes: And with as many as there were online, I think the bardar could have been turned off too. All those two things did was to fuel the hordes.
I never ever flew the Big-5 in the last 2 years I played, so I was gobsmacked when I heard guys were planning to quit if they couldn't have a P51D or LA7 for a couple of hours. :eek::mad:
But I did like the concept of base capture. It gave the combat some meaning - an objective. But in the last 6 months I was around, I pretty much gave up on that too. I had no squad, and most folks didn't seem to want to work as a team. Then there would be all that crap about "I'll fly how you want if you give me your CC number" or "I fly for me, not for you". Bad though that was, the ENY whining was the hardest thing to bear. :( And I knew my time was nearing the end.
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Originally posted by Stang
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It's very simple and if the hurri or zeke is alone, he is a total dead man.
Exactly. And I fly away because of that. It is boring to use E-fighting against them. Some times it is fun to TnB with Zero on 150 Mph with full flaps but in this case you are dead man with 90% probability.
If you killed Zero using e-fight ypu will get something like: "Dweeb, La-gay, cherrypicker, alt monkey!!! !"
If you killed (or were killed) Zero in TnB you can expect: "Moron, learn how to fly! Where they have found so stupid dweebs!"
When I kill or was killed by the 109, 190 or p51, at least I get nothing in responce. Or just .
I am happy with that for now.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Those who lead by example earn the respect of most of us old and new....
Respect is treating people the way you yourself would like to be treated and accepting the differences without trying to impose your will on them.
You can be the best pilot in the game but if you don't respect yourself or others, no one really gives a damn how good you are.
WTG C-Hawks
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Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
You're part of the minority 10%. I'd ignore you but I like discussing your whines. Shall we begin?
"Why can't I have it my way......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh h!"
"Why can't you create a fighter town in the middle of the map just for me.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhhhhhh!"
"If you don't think there is something wrong then you don't know what your talking about...waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!"
ROFL
...I'm guessing multiple personalities. :aok
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Originally posted by Tumor
followed by...
...I'm guessing multiple personalities. :aok
Only explanation can be that he is leading our newbies by example. I'm wondering by what criteria this player was allowed to become a trainer in the first place.
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I'm comptemplating spending an entire tour just sitting 20k above friendly bases with furballs nearby and picking the fun police when they show up to battle the hangers. All this bull**** about respecting other groups enjoyment just doesn't stand up when they get their enjoyment by spoiling yours.
-p.
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Originally posted by pellik
I'm comptemplating spending an entire tour just sitting 20k above friendly bases with furballs nearby and picking the fun police when they show up to battle the hangers. All this bull**** about respecting other groups enjoyment just doesn't stand up when they get their enjoyment by spoiling yours.
-p.
Hehehehehe.......now THAT's an Idea:aok
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Originally posted by Tumor
followed by...
...I'm guessing multiple personalities. :aok
Tumor <> ... I thought that I was the only one that realized this ... whewwww.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Tumor <> ... I thought that I was the only one that realized this ... whewwww.
Heya Slapshot!! >>S<<
Ya.. I was kinda like "wtf?" hehe.
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Hmmm....
The fun nazi police eh?
Spoil the fun of those who spoil the fun of others?
I'll have to think on that for a while.
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damn boys simmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaa down now its just some threds nothing to get all worked up over geeezzzzzzz
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Originally posted by pellik
I'm comptemplating spending an entire tour just sitting 20k above friendly bases with furballs nearby and picking the fun police when they show up to battle the hangers. All this bull**** about respecting other groups enjoyment just doesn't stand up when they get their enjoyment by spoiling yours.
-p.
I used to do that allot... problem is it's no fun between the bomber gunner [Dr Evil Voice]Lazuuurrz[/Dr Evil Voice] and switching tactics to suicide-horde-building-battling-dive-kamikazee-dork-lawn-darting.
Easier to up something fast with lots of range and fuel and hang out in unsuspecting routes of ingressl.
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Originally posted by Wadke
Fighter Town.
Wadke
CT
this week:
109g2
109f
110 something
vs
yakT
la5
p40e
you BK's and other MA whiners should come and join Redd, Oldman, Sabre, ASW and the rest and see what you are missing when CT has a good planeset & a small map like it does this week
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I'M NOT A WHINER! Just a very opinionated person!
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Originally posted by Edbert
Only explanation can be that he is leading our newbies by example. I'm wondering by what criteria this player was allowed to become a trainer in the first place.
Because he has the time and the will to train newbies.
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rolling planeset.....
i totaly agree, as well as country specific sides, tho i doubt this will ever meet ma since its manly a relaxed do as you please waiting area in between sea events and CT, tho its different for everyone and unfortunately there are alot of ppl who just want a game where they can come home and escape from the wife by shooting planes. Cant say i disagree with that, but i would like some realism and i guess realism just isnt populare these days.
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I agree with eilif. ^
The central problem is that the fuel pork/hangar killing horders represent the vast majority. Asking HTC to create the conditions whereby *your* style of gameplay triumphs over *theirs* is like asking HTC to get rid of 90% of their customers. RPS? I enjoyed that in WB, even though it meant I sucked in TNB planes in the first few days, and my favourite ride (F6F) was missing for half the tour. After the ENY whining I saw on this board last August, and the fact that so many players naturally choose from a tiny subset of the available aircraft - the ones in which they think they can "win", there is no doubt in my mind that HTC would not risk pissing off the huge swathe of mediocrity in the AH populace. For that reason, RPS will never happen.
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Originally posted by straffo
Because he has the time and the will to train newbies.
The time and will to train them to do what?
He has advocated bailing out at the edge of icon range in order to avoid "giving away a kill".
He is now conducting himself in the way I would chastise my 7 year old for behaving.
He has yet to add anything constructive to this discussion, all he is doing is calling other folks names.
He is an advocate of pork-and-auger tactics since it allows you to return and kill the next toolshed even faster since you don't have to RTB for more ordinance.
He has suggested that the quickest way to disrupt the furball (those horrible things that so many players enjoy engaging in) is to kill the FHs thereby denting those players access to the very part of the game they enjoy.
While I appreciate his apparent willingness to help and train new members I simply have to wonder exactly what kind of new player we are getting out of his sessions.
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>>I wish 1 night a week, HTC woiuld screw with us and at a certain time..bam..only these planes are available( likely early war)<<
Hehe, and call it an experiment :) I like it! It would also give a clear picture of the "stick to it tiveness" of the community members. Hell, I know for me, I'd prolly first notice it, and then choose a plane and go looking for a fight :D
As long as my connection was straight lined, and my vox worked, I wouldn't care. At the end of the night, I would then evaluate how much fun I had...or not.
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>>I wish 1 night a week, HTC woiuld screw with us and at a certain time..bam..only these planes are available( likely early war)<<
AYE!
We need the sheep that you can drive around and shoot things with !
:D
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Posted by Pellik in another thread, had to end up here...
What a lot of you guys missed when you keep talking about MA gameplay being dependent on having all of those precious options of yours is that those of us who want to furball are directly opposed by those very options.
I break the MA down into four major groups when I fly, and judge who to kill first accordingly. First there are the furballers. These are the guys who want to TnB and fight above all else. They are by far the most fun to fight, and this group includes most of the aces in the game.
Second there are the cherry hunters. These are guys who usually want to aspire to furballers, but lack the confidence necessary to turn fight. There is a lot of cross-over between these two groups, as many good pilots pick and some good pickers can turn. The difference is in whether they trust their abilities and press an attack or back off and follow you around for 10min in a fight waiting for you to become distracted killing their friends. If you pick me using the later method you can bet I'm gonna come back and pick you, and if you're my first target there is very little chance of you ever catching me off guard as I'll hit tab and put a big red box around your plane.
The third group are the GV furballers and the milk runners. I group them togeather because they both have about the same impact upon my game -- they are content to play with each other and they are usually fun to chat with on vox.
Finally are the fun police. These are the guys who, under the excuse of "winning the war", set out on a mission to end whatever fun other people may be having. If a set of bombers knocks out FHs at a field that is undefended, they are milkrunners. They fly in at 20k or sneak in otd to destroy FHs at a field sporting a furball, or knock out the VHs at tank town. These are the guys I'll drop everything to kill. Sure I'll probably get jumped by the horde after I dive to the deck to pick em, but they deserve it and I don't value my K/D. This group of people need to be restricted, but always get the loudest defenders on the forums. The furballers get screwed because these guys hit FHs at every fight that goes for more then 10min. The pickers get screwed by this as well, because when the hordes dissipate they have to fight fair. The GVers get screwed when the VHs at tank town get taken out, whether it's theirs or their opponents. The milk-runners get screwed as when the furball gets broken up all those fighters spread out to the rest of the front and can't find anything else to kill. I put these guys in the same category as xmarine who bails out of his plane early because he thinks it pisses the other guy off. They are the guys who kill all their teammates at the beginning of a round of coutnerstrike.
-p.
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Originally posted by DipStick
First there are the furballers. These are the guys who want to TnB and fight above all else. They are by far the most fun to fight, and this group includes most of the aces in the game.
Well I have no axe to grind. I had enormous problems with stick settings when I was new to flight sims. Push or pull the stick just a little too hard and the plane would snaproll/fall out of the sky. A fresh install of the FULL version of the game (WB) fixed it. And in AH1 you could yank as hard as you liked and be OK. But by then I'd already gravitated to energy fighters like 190/F4U/P47/other planes which performed well in vertical manoeuvres but which were not natural turnfighters. So I never was a TnB guy. Never. I know that with some stick setting tweaking, it might be possible to take energy fighters out of their historical role and make them turn better for those oh-so-manly weed wacking contests 2K above the deck. But that's hardly historical. And I don't think you can castigate folks for not engaging a SpitV in a turnfight when the plane they're flying themselves is NOT a SpitV. And that has always been the pattern in these threads which proclaim who are the best "pilots". Believe it or not, some people come here to gain an appreciation of how certain planes could have been deployed in the RL WW2. A strange concept, but true all the same! The pattern that I noticed many moons ago, and which has been followed since, is that if you look at who's pontificating about what skills denote the best "pilot", and check his stats, more often than not it turns out that he's a SpitV wannabe, who has never flown hands on in RL but thinks he knows it all.
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Originally posted by beet1e
there is no doubt in my mind that HTC would not risk pissing off the huge swathe of mediocrity in the AH populace.
Hey watch it. Some of us are still STRIVING for mediocrity. :D
Woof
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well I have no axe to grind. I had enormous problems with stick settings when I was new to flight sims. Push or pull the stick just a little too hard and the plane would snaproll/fall out of the sky. A fresh install of the FULL version of the game (WB) fixed it. And in AH1 you could yank as hard as you liked and be OK. But by then I'd already gravitated to energy fighters like 190/F4U/P47/other planes which performed well in vertical manoeuvres but which were not natural turnfighters. So I never was a TnB guy. Never. I know that with some stick setting tweaking, it might be possible to take energy fighters out of their historical role and make them turn better for those oh-so-manly weed wacking contests 2K above the deck. But that's hardly historical. And I don't think you can castigate folks for not engaging a SpitV in a turnfight when the plane they're flying themselves is NOT a SpitV. And that has always been the pattern in these threads which proclaim who are the best "pilots". Believe it or not, some people come here to gain an appreciation of how certain planes could have been deployed in the RL WW2. A strange concept, but true all the same! The pattern that I noticed many moons ago, and which has been followed since, is that if you look at who's pontificating about what skills denote the best "pilot", and check his stats, more often than not it turns out that he's a SpitV wannabe, who has never flown hands on in RL but thinks he knows it all.
The line between E fighting and TnB is often very hard to find. Basically you're going to fall into the furballer group if you PRESS YOUR ATTACKS. It's rediculous to say 'the spitV is a superior plane to mine and I'm not going to even try to kill him'. If you're in a faster plane try to use high yo-yos to maneuver him into a kill shot. Or maybe use the verticle to attack so that you can speed up your passes and try to overload his defensive capabilities. At least there's honor in aggression.
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Originally posted by pellik
Or maybe use the verticle to attack so that you can speed up your passes and try to overload his defensive capabilities. At least there's honor in aggression.
if you say so
honor in an online game spanning the globe? lol
the only honor you might get is the honor of being called a BnZ weenie by the spit on ch200
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Originally posted by JB73
the only honor you might get is the honor of being called a BnZ weenie by the spit on ch200
I don't tune to 200. No one ever complains about me or hassels me in anyway. :D
Woof
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Originally posted by pellik
It's rediculous to say 'the spitV is a superior plane to mine and I'm not going to even try to kill him'.
Did I say that? Don't think so. Innominate's career stats are unavailable right now, but from memory I think my k/d was about 5-1 against SpitV.
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I think love of score or fear of "death" is a big part of gameplay issues.
Look at vulching. I don't see it as the people in the air being a problem so much as the 8-10 people nearly always in the tower while it is going on. If those 8-10 could suck up being killed a few times and keep trying to up, a good fight would develop in a matter of minutes.
There's a couple of souls who'll do this. Most won't, for whatever reason (they must frame their campaign score sheets to send off to grandma).
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Originally posted by Vudak
I think love of score or fear of "death" is a big part of gameplay issues.
Look at vulching. I don't see it as the people in the air being a problem so much as the 8-10 people nearly always in the tower while it is going on. If those 8-10 could suck up being killed a few times and keep trying to up, a good fight would develop in a matter of minutes.
There's a couple of souls who'll do this. Most won't, for whatever reason (they must frame their campaign score sheets to send off to grandma).
in my case, why give that moron in a n1k free kills, so he can get his name up in lights? i'd rather see him waste his fuel and RTB with no kills. it's not about me dying, it's about not giving away kills.
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<-- agrees with JB73 ^
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Originally posted by beet1e
And that has always been the pattern in these threads which proclaim who are the best "pilots". Believe it or not, some people come here to gain an appreciation of how certain planes could have been deployed in the RL WW2. A strange concept, but true all the same! The pattern that I noticed many moons ago, and which has been followed since, is that if you look at who's pontificating about what skills denote the best "pilot", and check his stats, more often than not it turns out that he's a SpitV wannabe, who has never flown hands on in RL but thinks he knows it all.
Translation: My name has never even remotely come up in a best "pilot" thread, and by God it should! I'm handsome, daring, historically accurate, and I can fly in real life. That my name should not appear on such a list defies reason and fairness.
Hiya, Beetle. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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LOL DMF! :lol
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Originally posted by beet1e
Did I say that? Don't think so. Innominate's career stats are unavailable right now, but from memory I think my k/d was about 5-1 against SpitV.
I didn't say you said that. I was using that fictional comment to expand my origional point to be somewhat more applicable to your comment. Also note that I used single quotes, and there was no 'so and so said' attached to it.
I didn't mean to say anything about what kind of pilot you are, or make any judgement about how you fight. And as your comment wasn't really directly applicable to mine, mine wasn't directly applicable to yours. We were just using each other's context to make our own points. What I tried to say is that there is a very blurry line between good E fighting and TnB, and that aggression is necessary for those planes.
I can't recall reading many WW2 storys which involve a high 190 sitting 2000ft out above a flight of spits hoping they would see some lower cons and enguage so the 190s could cherry pick. What does seem more common is that the higher cons would just bounce the lower cons and attempt to use their better position to set the fight up in such a way that their weaker turn performance wasn't an issue.
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Pellik - OK, sorry - I got the wrong end of the stick.
In another thread, I read that there are to be new skins for the P47 and P51. Maybe this will be the big breakthrough that rescues gameplay from the mire, and makes everyone want to become TnB experten, crafted in the BK's image. Oh wait, there's no new skin for the SpitV.
Right lads, back on your heads...
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Originally posted by JB73
in my case, why give that moron in a n1k free kills, so he can get his name up in lights? i'd rather see him waste his fuel and RTB with no kills. it's not about me dying, it's about not giving away kills.
Well, if you, I, and four others, gave away a few free kills, I think it's fair to say he wouldn't end up getting his name in lights.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
lol Jetb trying to flame and troll. :lol
"Trying" seems to be the key word ;)
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Originally posted by Edbert
The thought of a "fighter town" approach I think has merit, but I don't think that the DA is it. There are actually folks in there practicing and having 1v1/2v2/3v3 fights that should be allowed to take place without a furball encroaching on them.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=119757&referrerid=7566
I think there are a lot of neat things HTC could do to make game play more fun.
Like increase the mountian range around Tank Town on Trinity to 50K and remove spawn points into and out of tank town.
Just an example.
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>>If those 8-10 could suck up being killed a few times and keep trying to up, a good fight would develop in a matter of minutes. <<
I don't think so. Those 8 or 10 in the tower would do well to either stay there; jump in a manneable ack or a GV, or move to a field close to the one under attack, and rejoin the fight. It makes no sense to continually try and up from a capped field with no operable field acks. And btw, IMO it gets boring once you have keeled the same guy 3 or 4 times; there is no challenge to it and only serves to pad ones score.
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Originally posted by Don
I don't think so. Those 8 or 10 in the tower would do well to either stay there; jump in a manneable ack or a GV, or move to a field close to the one under attack, and rejoin the fight. It makes no sense to continually try and up from a capped field with no operable field acks. And btw, IMO it gets boring once you have keeled the same guy 3 or 4 times; there is no challenge to it and only serves to pad ones score.
I disagree. I feel that this is how it has been going so far, (staying in tower, getting in ack or gv), and so far what I've usually seen is a cloud of enemies in the air and maybe one or two people trying to take off. I've been on both sides of that situation, and its equally boring.
Now, on the other hand, I've also been on both sides of a very different situation - where there is a cloud of people in the air, and 8-10, or more, people continously upping. You will be able to take off eventually, and certainly much sooner than if you were the only one upping. The laws of attrition clearly work in the defenders favor, and eventually a very fun fight will develop.
Of course, this is all a moot point, because as soon as that fight develops, either the hangers go down, or the attackers give up. It seems that many people would much rather have a quick, uncontested base capture than a see-saw battle raging near one base first, then out in the middle, then at the other base, and then back and forth and so on.
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>>what I've usually seen is a cloud of enemies in the air and maybe one or two people trying to take off. I've been on both sides of that situation, and its equally boring.<<
We have many on all sides who would rather play this game as an arcade game but, there are way many more who don't. Those I refer to will not take down acks and hover over a field til soemone else does. They have no interest in helping an effort to capture a field; just vulch and reap the bene's of other's work; these guys piss everyone off. If all of their potential victims then, were to leave; the poor dumb bastiges would have to move on :)
But to feed this dweebery by continually trying to up just doesn't make sense to me.
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jump in a manneable ack . . . . It makes no sense to continually try and up from a capped field with no operable field acks.
:D :lol
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Originally posted by Don
We have many on all sides who would rather play this game as an arcade game but, there are way many more who don't. Those I refer to will not take down acks and hover over a field til soemone else does. They have no interest in helping an effort to capture a field; just vulch and reap the bene's of other's work; these guys piss everyone off. If all of their potential victims then, were to leave; the poor dumb bastiges would have to move on :)
But to feed this dweebery by continually trying to up just doesn't make sense to me.
Well, agreed, by contiunally upping, you are feeding the vulching cycle, but what I'm saying is if enough people actually go for it, a fun fight will develop.
I personally think its more fun going after a base that is ferociously defended then one that isn't cared for... Ten people vulching one guy is pretty boring. Ten people trying to vulch ten guys can get pretty intense.
Just wish I saw it more often is all.
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>>I personally think its more fun going after a base that is ferociously defended then one that isn't cared for... <<
Yeah, this is what I enjoy too, it makes it fun and exciting to actually have a fight and compete. Hell, I also like a good low level furball when there are many involved in the fight; there is a lot of skill involved and is very intense.
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>>jump in a manneable ack or a GV, or move to a field close to the one under attack, and rejoin the fight.<<
The above is the FULL quote Dedalos:cool:
Yours is an adaptation of what I posted :
>>jump in a manneable ack . . . . It makes no sense to continually try and up from a capped field with no operable field acks. <<
Pretty good journalistic skills though :aok
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Originally posted by Don
>>jump in a manneable ack or a GV, or move to a field close to the one under attack, and rejoin the fight.<<
The above is the FULL quote Dedalos:cool:
Yours is an adaptation of what I posted :
>>jump in a manneable ack . . . . It makes no sense to continually try and up from a capped field with no operable field acks. <<
Pretty good journalistic skills though :aok
I know, I just thought it was funny. :lol I did not mean anything by it. I am ususally the first to up from a capped field. err, try to up :D
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Originally posted by DipStick
Posted by Pellik in another thread, had to end up here...
What a lot of you guys missed when you keep talking about MA gameplay being dependent on having all of those precious options of yours is that those of us who want to furball are directly opposed by those very options.
I break the MA down into four major groups when I fly, and judge who to kill first accordingly. First there are the furballers. These are the guys who want to TnB and fight above all else. They are by far the most fun to fight, and this group includes most of the aces in the game.
Second there are the cherry hunters. These are guys who usually want to aspire to furballers, but lack the confidence necessary to turn fight. There is a lot of cross-over between these two groups, as many good pilots pick and some good pickers can turn. The difference is in whether they trust their abilities and press an attack or back off and follow you around for 10min in a fight waiting for you to become distracted killing their friends. If you pick me using the later method you can bet I'm gonna come back and pick you, and if you're my first target there is very little chance of you ever catching me off guard as I'll hit tab and put a big red box around your plane.
The third group are the GV furballers and the milk runners. I group them togeather because they both have about the same impact upon my game -- they are content to play with each other and they are usually fun to chat with on vox.
Finally are the fun police. These are the guys who, under the excuse of "winning the war", set out on a mission to end whatever fun other people may be having. If a set of bombers knocks out FHs at a field that is undefended, they are milkrunners. They fly in at 20k or sneak in otd to destroy FHs at a field sporting a furball, or knock out the VHs at tank town. These are the guys I'll drop everything to kill. Sure I'll probably get jumped by the horde after I dive to the deck to pick em, but they deserve it and I don't value my K/D. This group of people need to be restricted, but always get the loudest defenders on the forums. The furballers get screwed because these guys hit FHs at every fight that goes for more then 10min. The pickers get screwed by this as well, because when the hordes dissipate they have to fight fair. The GVers get screwed when the VHs at tank town get taken out, whether it's theirs or their opponents. The milk-runners get screwed as when the furball gets broken up all those fighters spread out to the rest of the front and can't find anything else to kill. I put these guys in the same category as xmarine who bails out of his plane early because he thinks it pisses the other guy off. They are the guys who kill all their teammates at the beginning of a round of coutnerstrike.
-p.
LMAO
Taking bases is the objective of this silly game, not an excuse. Get with the program or find another place to twist your stick.
If you're a Rook or Bish I hope I ruin your fun. You're my little digital enemy.. on my screen to entertain me via combat simulation... but my main purpose, usually, is to help my imiginary country win the map, which again for the slower in the bunch is the OBJECTIVE of this game. There are times I have fun with no regard to winning the war, my friends and I sit here doing our best to laugh and have fun; which is the point of gaming. The last thing on my mind is if the Rooks or Bish are having a good time.
I used to think this whole "my way" vagina fest was a transparent (attempting to be covert) tactic by other countries to steer game play away from base capture and into one sides strength.. maybe one side has more practiced stick twisters... but it''s literally a few vocal dorks who are not getting thier way and must stomp up and down on thier solied diaper for attention... trying to set the standard for what "cool combat" is, and what isn't.
Well ladies this is a combat sim, remember that. Combat is not fair, not nice, there's no "cool" way to crush your enemy and live... often the uglier the better as long as the mission gets accomplished. This isn't BK where you get things your way (as my SDI used to say).
But the "my way" vagina posse has a clear agenda... one of these squads has a web page where they boast; they dont bomb or take bases.. they twist thier sticks, or as they like to say "fight", and that's it. I'm sure they think that's cool combat, F the team and the games objective, we do what we want.. and so will you or we'll cry about it.
They'd like nothing more than to have everyone playing thier style so they can easily dominate & masterbate to thier huge accomplishment of the day.
Just maybe if some of you digital warriors started thinking more about what combat is, you'd "get it".
But hey, it's your money and if you want to play a team game and not be a team player, nobody can say that's right or wrong..
So wth free speech you can whine through your fingers until they bleed.. it's not going to change a thing about what a COMBAT sim is supposed to be.
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x0847Marine!
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That was the funniest, best written, nail-on-the-head post I have ever read on this subject! :lol I was howling after the first two lines!
Originally posted by x0847Marine
vagina fest
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BTW, I've saved this page in .html format, just in case it gets deleted. That was too priceless to lose! :aok
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
LMAO
Taking bases is the objective of this silly game, not an excuse. Get with the program or find another place to twist your stick.
If you're a Rook or Bish I hope I ruin your fun. You're my little digital enemy.. on my screen to entertain me via combat simulation... but my main purpose, usually, is to help my imiginary country win the map, which again for the slower in the bunch is the OBJECTIVE of this game. There are times I have fun with no regard to winning the war, my friends and I sit here doing our best to laugh and have fun; which is the point of gaming. The last thing on my mind is if the Rooks or Bish are having a good time.
I used to think this whole "my way" vagina fest was a transparent (attempting to be covert) tactic by other countries to steer game play away from base capture and into one sides strength.. maybe one side has more practiced stick twisters... but it''s literally a few vocal dorks who are not getting thier way and must stomp up and down on thier solied diaper for attention... trying to set the standard for what "cool combat" is, and what isn't.
Well ladies this is a combat sim, remember that. Combat is not fair, not nice, there's no "cool" way to crush your enemy and live... often the uglier the better as long as the mission gets accomplished. This isn't BK where you get things your way (as my SDI used to say).
But the "my way" vagina posse has a clear agenda... one of these squads has a web page where they boast; they dont bomb or take bases.. they twist thier sticks, or as they like to say "fight", and that's it. I'm sure they think that's cool combat, F the team and the games objective, we do what we want.. and so will you or we'll cry about it.
They'd like nothing more than to have everyone playing thier style so they can easily dominate & masterbate to thier huge accomplishment of the day.
Just maybe if some of you digital warriors started thinking more about what combat is, you'd "get it".
But hey, it's your money and if you want to play a team game and not be a team player, nobody can say that's right or wrong..
So wth free speech you can whine through your fingers until they bleed.. it's not going to change a thing about what a COMBAT sim is supposed to be.
Did you read the post you responded to? I don't have a problem with land grab dweebs. If that's what they enjoy in the game then more power to them. What I do have a problem with are the dumb****s who's only enjoyment is to bomb the FHs at a field sporting a furball or the VHs at tank town. They are not "winning the war", and more often then not they actually slow down base capture. There are plenty of less defended fields for them to go grab. Whatever **** they spew out here make no mistake, their only goal is to ruin the fun of as many people as possible. You're an example of this retarded 13 year old approach to gaming, by your own admission. Go back to CS where you belong.
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Whatever **** they spew out here make no mistake, their only goal is to ruin the fun of as many people as possible. You're an example of this retarded 13 year old approach to gaming, by your own admission. Go back to CS where you belong.
-p.
Their only goal is to ruin the fun of as many people as possible? Paranoid much? Like everyone with a bomb slung under their aircraft knows what's happening wherever you are and gives enough of a crap about you to bother ruining your fun? :rolleyes:
I'm pretty new to the game, but I sure get tired of furballers telling everyone else how they should play the game. No bombing, no BnZ'n, no using an aircrafts strengths unless it's a turnfighter. Everyone is supposed to turn because you want us to? :lol
Get over it dude.
Woof
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You guys try the CT this week. It's alot of fun without the wait. No porked bases, etc... Quick fights. Dedalos was there he can tell you. ;)
I think I know why they call marines "jar-heads" now, it's because those like x0847Marine's brains would fit in a pimento jar.
Note: I didn't say they would fill it. :lol
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Originally posted by DipStick
I think I know why they call marines "jar-heads" now, it's because those like x0847Marine's brains would fit in a pimento jar.
Come on, DS - he has a valid point, and you know it. SkyWolf too. What they said has needed to be said for a long time.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Come on, DS - he has a valid point, and you know it. SkyWolf too. What they said has needed to be said for a long time.
His only point could be summed up as "Pot meet Kettle".
He lost it on the first sentence:
Taking bases is the objective of this silly game, not an excuse.
ANYTIME someone tries to define the purpose of this game to a single datapoint they are wrong. Taking bases is not THE objective of this game. Neither is A2A/G2G or killing things that can't shoot back. In fact this game existed for quite some time without base capture.
The only point of the game is to have fun, some folks can have fun with other people, some can have fun despite other people, still others have their fun by trying to prevent other people from having theirs. I think it is clear where Xmarine gets his jollies.
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Originally posted by Edbert
ANYTIME someone tries to define the purpose of this game to a single datapoint they are wrong. Taking bases is not THE objective of this game. Neither is A2A/G2G or killing things that can't shoot back. In fact this game existed for quite some time without base capture.
Maybe taking bases is not the objective of the game - for YOU. But, as has already been established, you elite T&B self proclaimed "aces" are in a minority in this debate. If that were not true, then you wouldn't all be whining about the horde/pork-n-auger gameplay. You'd just be able to kill the small element of players who you perceive as tards. But you can't, so you whine here instead.
HTC would certainly not agree with your assessment of the objective of this game. Once again - Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High. - HTC, in the AH help website.
So what makes you think you're so special that you think YOU can tell HTC what is the objective of THEIR game which THEY wrote? Having read your post, I think you have added even more weight to x847Marine's post.
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It's official BK are the biggest whiners in the game!!
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What they said has needed to be said for a long time. [/B]
Even more importantly , what drives a grown man to post on a game BBS , about a game he stopped playing over a year ago ;)
The basic gameplay (flying around, shooting at planes, and trying to blow them up) hasn't changed for me in many years , but I still manage to find some fun doing it. Simple folk we aussies ;)
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I think the complain is that when there is no base capture as the objective but just a bunch of guys fighting ( I know it may be hard for you to believe that this can happen), there is no reason for a bunch of low level B17s to come in and take the FHs down. Whats the point? If they don't do it to ruin other peopls fun then how come they never hit the BHs?
I guess some people can see only their side of things and everything else is considered a whine :rolleyes:
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LOL Redd! I'm doing what many others are doing - waiting for TOD. Not my fault that I'm still waiting. ;)
Dedalos Whats the point? If they don't do it to ruin other peopls fun then how come they never hit the BHs?
They're doing what everyone else is trying to do - stop the enemy from flying. Sure thing, the suicide crap I could do without - but that could be addressed by adequate spacing of the bases, instead of having them 2 minutes apart.
BTW dedalos, forgive me if I've asked you this before, but what town do you live in? I lived in Mount Prospect for about a year.
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
No bombing, no BnZ'n, no using an aircrafts strengths unless it's a turnfighter. Everyone is supposed to turn because you want us to?
SkyWolf I'm not trying to insult you here but if you are fairly new as you say, you may want to try turning more often and you'd probably suprise yourself.
I'd be willing to go to the DA with you and take up a P47 or F6F or FW190, etc. against your Spit, Zeke, or Niki in a knife-fight, and although I'm sure you'd probably get me more often than not, I'm pretty confident I could suprise you too.
I just would hate to see you get sucked into the theory that whenever you run into a plane that can turn tighter than you, you should only BnZ. I think it would lead to a boring career for the both of us :)
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Originally posted by beet1e
HTC would certainly not agree with your assessment of the objective of this game.
Try reading before you post. I said there are multiple objectives, not a SINGLE objective unless perhaps the need to have fun. I would say that HTC considers the fun it's customers have to be high priority, that just doesn't read well with marketing copy.
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>>I know, I just thought it was funny. I did not mean anything by it. I am ususally the first to up from a capped field. err, try to up <<
Hehe, I took no offense, I just thought it curious, I have seen media types who do that sort of thing :)
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Originally posted by Edbert
Try reading before you post. I said there are multiple objectives, not a SINGLE objective unless perhaps the need to have fun.
No, you simply capitalised "THE". And it IS the objective. The other fun components come in the course of achieving that objective. Or they would if they could.
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Originally posted by Don
>>I know, I just thought it was funny. I did not mean anything by it. I am ususally the first to up from a capped field. err, try to up <<
Hehe, I took no offense, I just thought it curious, I have seen media types who do that sort of thing :)
lol, thats what I was doing
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Beetle,
Used to be in Arlington Heights (Rand and Willow) but moved to Crystal Lake a couple of years ago.
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Sure thing, the suicide crap I could do without - but that could be addressed by adequate spacing of the bases, instead of having them 2 minutes apart.
Bollocks ... how is spacing the bases MORE than 2 minutes apart able to solve the "suicide crap" ? ... do you even think about what you write ?
Maybe XMarine will allow you to join him and his friends in their circle-jerk while you are waiting for ToD.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I'd be willing to go to the DA with you and take up a P47 or F6F or FW190, etc. against your Spit, Zeke, or Niki in a knife-fight, and although I'm sure you'd probably get me more often than not, I'm pretty confident I could suprise you too.
I just would hate to see you get sucked into the theory that whenever you run into a plane that can turn tighter than you, you should only BnZ. I think it would lead to a boring career for the both of us :)
Well..I may get smart enough soon to go to the TA and DA and quit banging my head against a wall...though I'm sure my ineptness has amused more than few. I'm bad in a P47, don't fly spits, I have upped a Zeke from a seriously capped field 3 times but don't usually fly it, never fly the LA7 ,and I flew a Nik once today after some dude caught me and drilled me with one when I misjudged his E state and thought I left him in the dust. (I then Landed 3 kills in the Niki).
I'm stoooopud. I like to cripple my lack of competency even further by flying the Early P47's, the 51B, Wildcats, P40's, and P38Gs. I guess I'd rather be frustrated than gay... uh... I mean.... uh....good. I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing for awhile even if it means continually running into 20k Spits, Niki's, and Lgays. THEN I'll wise up and get some help. But any airplane I can land 3 kills in probably should be perked. :D
Woof
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Originally posted by SlapShot
... do you even think about what you write ?
It is apparent to me that he's been hanging out in the O'club too much to do so.
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>>lol, thats what I was doing<<
You bastige!!! :D I've been slimed by a news hack!!!! Oh the humanity!!!:)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Bollocks ... how is spacing the bases MORE than 2 minutes apart able to solve the "suicide crap" ? ...
Easy. The attention deficit dolts can't be arsed to fly more than 2 minutes to get to the "action". That's partly why there was much less fuel porkage on the AH1 pizza map - the dolts couldn't stay awake long enough to fly the 6 minutes it took to get to the next base - and you're a dolt for having to ask me to explain. :rolleyes:
Hey, when are you coming to London next? I owe you a few beers.
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Funny, I can't recall a time on Pizza when every front line field wasn't down to 25% fuel and all troops were porked, especially on the bish front.
All pizza did was give milkers an easy way of least resistance to do quick landgrabs and then shift to another field when resistance popped up.
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Originally posted by Schaden
It's official BK are the biggest whiners in the game!!
Who is whining about anything?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Easy. The attention deficit dolts can't be arsed to fly more than 2 minutes to get to the "action". That's partly why there was much less fuel porkage on the AH1 pizza map - the dolts couldn't stay awake long enough to fly the 6 minutes it took to get to the next base - and you're a dolt for having to ask me to explain. :rolleyes:
Hey, when are you coming to London next? I owe you a few beers.
DOlt-BoY ... u are mixing your whines up !!!
You want fields farther apart so that when you have a field capped and the vulch lamp lit ... you don't want other's to scurry to the defense so quickly. Remember ?
Those that like the fields CLOSE are not the suiciders who have no other object in life but to tear up and field and die within seconds of destroying a strat. I believe that there preference would be to have fields FARTHER apart so that they can climb to 20K+ so that they can dive in at about 1,000,000 mph for fear of fighting/engaging with someone before they deliver their precious load. <> Ammo Bunker.
All travel has been cut back to nil ... London does not appear to be an option within the near future.
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Maybe XMarine will allow you to join him and his friends in their circle-jerk while you are waiting for ToD.
LOLHROTFFPM
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Their only goal is to ruin the fun of as many people as possible? Paranoid much? Like everyone with a bomb slung under their aircraft knows what's happening wherever you are and gives enough of a crap about you to bother ruining your fun? :rolleyes:
I'm pretty new to the game, but I sure get tired of furballers telling everyone else how they should play the game. No bombing, no BnZ'n, no using an aircrafts strengths unless it's a turnfighter. Everyone is supposed to turn because you want us to? :lol
Get over it dude.
Woof
Here's a quote for you. Put some thought into this one...
Originally posted by x0847Marine
I do find it a bit funny that you guys characterize, so seriously, two stick twisting gamers as "fighting", as if it takes any level of bravery to twist joysticks on a computer screen.
Then again playing this game might be the bravest thing you've ever done, so live vicariously if it works for ya.
"Dude you're a brave skilled fighter pilot"
lol gotta love the digital badass
I'm glad this is here tho, a fellow Marine I served in Saudi with is coming over to game out tonight, the 1st thing he wants to know is how many gamer dorks I pissed off today.. I'll show him this, we'll laugh.
Sounds to me like pissing people off is one of his primary goals in the game.
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Stang - I never found what you found on the pizza map. I suppose it depends on the time of day you play. But wait - I have a film shot on pizza - and you're in it. I'll spare your blushes by not posting it. ;)
One of the other BK's can be seen in the text buffer, bemoaning the fact that there was "no action - it's pizza", at the start of my sortie at the end of which I landed 7 kills - a battle between our CV and their base. I guess that map was what you made it. I sure had no problem finding fun there, without the horde crap. I could see his point though - an analysis of the map to work out what the opposition would be up to meant putting a little thought into where to go. Maybe that's why I could find action and he could not. I'm glad this is here tho, a fellow Marine I served in Saudi with is coming over to game out tonight, the 1st thing he wants to know is how many gamer dorks I pissed off today.. I'll show him this, we'll laugh.
:lol ya know, I like this x0847marine guy. I think we'd get on well! :D
Slapshot! - yes I heard Big Blue was making deep cuts in Europe, and possibly America too.
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Sounds to me like pissing people off is one of his primary goals in the game.
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One guy... and it didn't say what he did to piss anyone off or if it was "on purpose" or an attempt to "ruin" your fun. I'm sure I've pissed off the turn and burn types myself on occasion. All you have to do is anything but turn and burn. :rolleyes:
Woof
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Maybe XMarine will allow you to join him and his friends in their circle-jerk while you are waiting for ToD.
Everybody's a badass in Cyberspace. Here's a hint. In the real world it's a bad idea to go around pissing off Marines. While most of the ones I know are perfectly wonderful people, they can still stomp your miserable oscar if need be. I try not to say anything to people online that I wouldn't say to their face. You might want to try that.
Woof
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Everybody's a badass in Cyberspace. Here's a hint. In the real world it's a bad idea to go around pissing off Marines. While most of the ones I know are perfectly wonderful people, they can still stomp your miserable oscar if need be. I try not to say anything to people online that I wouldn't say to their face. You might want to try that.
For 1) Slapp is a bad arse, I know him personally and can say that and he would say this to XMorons face. 2) Why are you defeneding someone who blatantly has no regard for the community, the game or how it is played. Do a seach for this moron, read his stupididty and then come back here.:aok
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ya know, I like this x0847marine guy. I think we'd get on well!
That I'm sure of. You both like to break things.
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
One guy... and it didn't say what he did to piss anyone off or if it was "on purpose" or an attempt to "ruin" your fun. I'm sure I've pissed off the turn and burn types myself on occasion. All you have to do is anything but turn and burn. :rolleyes:
I know you are new here, so I say this with all due respect. But you need to read more of what he types. He has declared himself, in his own words/posts, numerous times that pi$$ing people off IS his primary goal and what he enjoys the most about online gaming.
I know that in an online game where a player is expected to kill another in the virtual sense that some irritation of the other guy is to be expected, but most communities try and police themselves and determine for themselves what is and what is not an appropriate way to pi$$ each other off. Vulching and HOing are prime examples of what irritates many folks but is still considered completely appropriate by the majority. Dragging guys for an entire sector only to bail out before they are in gun range is considered by most to be a bad practice.
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Why are you defeneding someone who blatantly has no regard for the community, the game or how it is played.
I'm not defending him... I'm defending the Marines. I don't know him. Though the circle jerk comment was uncalled for.
Do a seach for this moron, read his stupididty and then come back here.:aok
I don't particularly care about one guy. Maybe he issa dick.... I don't know. Does he do it in the game... or just here on the BBS? I just don't think that most people are only trying to piss other people off. Seems like that would get old pretty quick. But I am new... so WTF knows.
Woof
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Everybody's a badass in Cyberspace. Here's a hint. In the real world it's a bad idea to go around pissing off Marines. While most of the ones I know are perfectly wonderful people, they can still stomp your miserable oscar if need be. I try not to say anything to people online that I wouldn't say to their face. You might want to try that.
A few of the marines I've met also appeared to be borderline reta..... Er... Memorial Day's coming up... Nevermind. Every single last one I've ever met in my entire life has been the epitome of the City on the Hill that we should all aspire to be. :D
This is definately the wrong BBS to make that sort of joke on.
Can I get by without the tar and feathers on a claim of "quid pro quo"?
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Originally posted by Edbert
I know you are new here, so I say this with all due respect. But you need to read more of what he types. He has declared himself, in his own words/posts, numerous times that pi$$ing people off IS his primary goal and what he enjoys the most about online gaming.
Ok... but I'd think he'd get pretty bored paying 15 bucks a month just to be a dick. Maybe not. I just happen to know a bunch of Marines, none of them are dicks and one of them is one of the most interesting and impressive guys I know. Old family roots in this area and just a super guy. I only like about 12 people on the entire planet and he's one of them. I guess any group will have their share of pudmunches.
Vulching and HOing are prime examples of what irritates many folks but is still considered completely appropriate by the majority. Dragging guys for an entire sector only to bail out before they are in gun range is considered by most to be a bad practice.
I hate HO's and being vulched too. I've been killed like 25 times by some J.O. in a Nik or LA7. I'm still struggling with NOT just pulling the trigger ALSO. And If I'm dumb enough to keep upping from a seriously capped field then I'm not too surprised when it happens to me. Oh jeeze... now I'm whinning.
Woof
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Skywolf sayeth:
...But any airplane I can land 3 kills in probably should be perked.
I am not alone??? :D
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I'm sure I've pissed off the turn and burn types myself on occasion. All you have to do is anything but turn and burn. :rolleyes:
:lol
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I hate HO's and being vulched too. I've been killed like 25 times by some J.O. in a Nik or LA7. I'm still struggling with NOT just pulling the trigger ALSO. And If I'm dumb enough to keep upping from a seriously capped field then I'm not too surprised when it happens to me. Oh jeeze... now I'm whinning.
Ah, your not dumb for upping at a seriously capped field, just one of those adventurous types :)
As for the HOs, thanks for making the effort to not use that crutch. Run a search on these forums for avoiding them and you should be able to avoid all but the luckiest shots on the merge with a bit of practice.
As for your theory on how anything but turning is poor form... It isn't, but there are things, like extending 5k before you reverse in a 1 v 1 (people do this!) which will really drive most people up the wall and make you look silly even to most dedicated purebred BnZ'ers. Mix it up aggresively if you're new. It's the quickest way to learn.
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Skywolf, if you really give a crap about xmoron, then search his posts and read what he has said.
Here, I'll help you out. Read this. If you still have questions then ask them.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147591&perpage=50&pagenumber=1 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147591&perpage=50&pagenumber=1)
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SkyWolf,
No need to deffend the Marines. No Marine would ever refer to himself as X-Marine. Former maybe, but not X.
Unless you were asked kindly to leave the core. :D
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Originally posted by mars01
Skywolf, if you really give a crap about xmoron, then search his posts and read what he has said.
Here, I'll help you out. Read this. If you still have questions then ask them.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147591&perpage=50&pagenumber=1 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147591&perpage=50&pagenumber=1)
I don't give a crap about him... and after reading the above thread I'll agree that he seems to be the antithesis of what a Marine should be (Marine = Good...XMarine = Dick). He sounds more like a petulant 12 year old kid than anything else.
Of course that brings up yet ANOTHER thing I'm wondering about. I bail out when shot up and going down because it seems like the thing to do. I know dwazel about scoring or kill ratios.... it just seems like a real WWII Pilot would have bailed when his plane is shot away rather than riding it down to certain death. I've tried to land a few times missing some semi vital parts... but if the wing is gone then so am I.
It seems like virtual life should be a good thing... I mean.. I don't fly into trees on purpose so why would I ride down a wingless aircraft? :confused:
Wow... that was long.
Woof
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Mars01 - knowing you as I do, I thought you would have dubbed the guy Xmaroon - LOL! I mean LOLH! ;)
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Beetle, what makes you think you have any right to comment on game play when you've made it very clear that you have no desire to ever return to the MA? On the same token, what makes you think anything you say maters at all? It doesnt, and it shouldnt if you dont play this game anymore or have ever at all... That should go for anyone, not just you.
At times it seems like you just haven't a life of your own, and you've got nothing better to do than troll this board. Its been made clear by your own actions that you dont care about the game. Yet you continue to comment on such things that have nothing to do with an out sider such as yourself and everything to do with the person who actually plays the game.
I understand you are "waiting" for ToD to come along before you come back. If that is indeed the case then save your limey arrogant comments for a discussion pertaining to ToD.
Just because you were flamed out of the oclub for your own actions in real life... You think you have the right to come here and start your typical beelte bullchit?
We dislike you here more than the oclub fanatics ever have.
Originally posted by beet1e
Mars01 - knowing you as I do, I thought you would have dubbed the guy Xmaroon - LOL! I mean LOLH! ;)
You dont know mars, not even half as much as you think you do. This is yet another typical beetle comment used to show others that you are "personal" with certain players you are disagreeing with... You say things like this time and time again to make others beleive you know who and how a person plays the game... And if not the game then you know them as a person. You are trying way too hard to fit in... And frankly its embarassing to watch.
Basicly I think you just need to get laid... Oh wait.
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I don't give a crap about him... and after reading the above thread I'll agree that he seems to be the antithesis of what a Marine should be (Marine = Good...XMarine = Dick). He sounds more like a petulant 12 year old kid than anything else.
Of course that brings up yet ANOTHER thing I'm wondering about. I bail out when shot up and going down because it seems like the thing to do. I know dwazel about scoring or kill ratios.... it just seems like a real WWII Pilot would have bailed when his plane is shot away rather than riding it down to certain death. I've tried to land a few times missing some semi vital parts... but if the wing is gone then so am I.
It seems like virtual life should be a good thing... I mean.. I don't fly into trees on purpose so why would I ride down a wingless aircraft? :confused:
Wow... that was long.
Woof
Nobody has a problem with bailing out of a wrecked plane. The complaint against XMarine was that he would run for 2 sectors and bail out, of an untouched plane, before you get to the 2.5k distance or so that proxys count in. He didn't care about survival, he just wanted to piss other players off as much as possible to compensate for his own inadequacy.
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Damn... lol.
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I don't particularly care about one guy. Maybe he issa dick.... I don't know. Does he do it in the game... or just here on the BBS? I just don't think that most people are only trying to piss other people off. Seems like that would get old pretty quick. But I am new... so WTF knows.
Woof
XMarine was just the best example of the gamer types who are in it more to affect other people then enjoy the game. I keep using the term "fun police" to refer to the guys who fly lancs over and over at a field sporting a furball until they get through to FHs. Perhaps I have over-simplified things against them a little to much though. I'll take another stab at explaining what I see going on.
The guys I refer to as "fun police" are really just more like your typical bad office manager. They have some vision of how things should be done, which due to a lack of thinking out the whole situation is actually quite flawed. And instead of just going about their business of trying to do whatever land grab goal they feel is important, they look for a way to FORCE everyone else to follow that same land grab goal. It's like they are obsessed with productivity and see stagnant fights (furballs) as being a huge hole in their country's productivity. Nobody listens to these guys when they ***** about the fight on ch2, so they go in and attempt to 'fix' the problem themselves with a quick FH bomb run. The reason this behavior is so prevelant is that they feel they've made a big contribution to the war effort because their actions have an impact on a large number of people.
There are two problems with this gameplay, however. First they are directly opposing all the 'let people do what they want' and 'you pay my $15 and I'll do what you say' whines. They are enforcing one specific type of gameplay on the people that really arn't into it. The second problem is that BOMBING THE FHS ALMOST NEVER ACCOMPLISHES THEIR LAND GRAB GOAL. They see lots of countrymen flying there and think they must be trying to capture the field. Asside from maybe (maybe) 5% of the people in the fight, those people went there BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIGHT. They arn't going to stick around to clear the town. They arn't going to hang out to cap the field when nobody is trying to take off. The fight stops and everyone goes home, save for one or two guys who don't have the originization or man power to take the field anyway. And on top of it all now you've got a horde of pilots warmed up to fight with nowhere to go. The real land grab dweebs get completely screwed by a surge of defenders and the total land grab productivity for their country GOES DOWN.
Like I said, they are your typical bad office managers. They misunderstand the situation, then force all the people who know what their damn jobs are to fall in and work toward some retarded goal. Of course it's never the managers fault when everything goes to **** either, the employees just didn't cooperate 'good' enough.
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You mean something like the message comming across on country chan: "FH down at xxx? Ready for taking" and no one else is at xxx except the guy that killed the FH? :D
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
...I'm glad this is here tho, a fellow Marine I served in Saudi with is coming over to game out tonight, the 1st thing he wants to know is how many gamer dorks I pissed off today.. I'll show him this, we'll laugh.
I don't know where this was originally posted but,...
I love the implication that pissing off "gamer dorks" in a online video game some how makes you NOT a "gamer dork".
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Originally posted by dedalos
You mean something like the message comming across on country chan: "FH down at xxx? Ready for taking" and no one else is at xxx except the guy that killed the FH? :D
Those are just the guys who run a very high risk of becomming fun police. Usually you can tell they are going to make the plunge when they go off on how everyone fighting at the same base is counter-productive and ***** that the same fight has been going for an hour.
Eventually I imagine the community will deal with these guys the same way it deals with other 'dweebish' practices. But for the time being the fun police arn't really understood. In AH1 they just hit fuel to 'shut down the front', which while it was terribly annoying and stoped offenses it didn't stop the defensive effort. Fights still happened there. We've only had the FH killers since HT porked fuel porking, and the community hasn't really had time to sort things out yet.
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Originally posted by Furious
I don't know where this was originally posted but,...
I love the implication that pissing off "gamer dorks" in a online video game some how makes you NOT a "gamer dork".
I pulled that from AKAK's thread about the new style of the score potato. Sorry I forgot to cite where it came from.
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Read, read, read....so far all I've heard is a buncha lame duds (not dudes) that call themselves the BK's. I love it!!!!
Hell, it looks like the whole squad has been into this thread with 45 out of 184 posts. Talk about gamey whiners. It sounds to me like the typical whining they do about everything when it doesn't go their way.
As far as XM goes....The guy gets you to chase him all over the map so his bud's can go mess with a field. Then he bails out, laughing his butt off.
:rofl MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :rofl
You then whine about him being a gamer. He laughing so hard he's falling outa his chair. And you tards don't even have the brains to figure that out. Grow up.
Jump up and yell all ya want but yer a buncha whining tards.
Geez, that's like talking about how many posts someone made! Try figuring out how many posts were made bu those dudes that had any value!
Sorry if the truth hurts but get a life! :rofl
Never in the pursuits of man, have so few, whined about so much, in so little time.
My bad. I can't help myself. These tards deserve any crap anyone ever throws at them. :rofl
My only real question about the BK's is I coulda sworn Nomak disbanded the squad after the points whoring debacle and was considered as a stand up dude for doing it. What made him decide to lower himself back to their level?
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Quit whining about whiners, ren.
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Muahahahahaha! Im not! Im laughing at them!
:rofl
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>>I'm not defending him... I'm defending the Marines<<
Sonny, you don't need to defend the marines:cool:
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If you call pointing something out that is obviously wrong... Whining... Then you're speaking about the entire AH community.
The thing of it is, you were wrong and you still wont admit that.
I still am astonished at how you are a trainer.
Like I said in the last "xMarine" thread.
I am done with him. I've made and proven my points... You have continued to hump his leg.
Some things will never change... This is one of them.
No one has the right to tell someone else how to play the game and spend their 15 bucks a month.
But... We do have the right to pass judgment on them and say what we think of it. And you are just as guilty of that as anyone else.
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>>I bail out when shot up and going down because it seems like the thing to do. I know dwazel about scoring or kill ratios.... it just seems like a real WWII Pilot would have bailed when his plane is shot away rather than riding it down to certain death<<
Do it the way you want; some ride it in, and others don't. Some will shoot you in yer chute, others won't; expect either one of em. They gave us 45's if you bail now :)
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>>I love the implication that pissing off "gamer dorks" in a online video game some how makes you NOT a "gamer dork".<<
Hehe, good pick up :aok When I first read it IO was about to get pissed off, but then I considered the source and realized this is the kind of anti-social thing that some dorks do to get their fun.
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Originally posted by Don
>>I'm not defending him... I'm defending the Marines<<
Sonny, you don't need to defend the marines:cool:
Don't call me Sonny oscarwipe.
Woof
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Read, read, read....so far all I've heard is a buncha lame duds (not dudes) that call themselves the BK's. I love it!!!!
My only real question about the BK's is I coulda sworn Nomak disbanded the squad after the points whoring debacle and was considered as a stand up dude for doing it. What made him decide to lower himself back to their level?
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WTF man... we were actually having a conversation and I was learning something... then you chime in with your head so far up your oscar that you have to yawn to see if the sun is shining. You aren't even funny... you are just annoying and stoooopud.
I don't really think I can learn much from you..... I've got the being an oscarhole thing mastered already.
:rolleyes:
Woof
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WTF man... we were actually having a conversation and I was learning something... then you chime in with your head so far up your oscar that you have to yawn to see if the sun is shining. You aren't even funny... you are just annoying and stoooopud.
I don't really think I can learn much from you..... I've got the being an oscarhole thing mastered already.
LOLHROTFFPM
I couldn't have said it better Wolf. bud.
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TY Skywolf, that's the 1st good laugh I got today. Absolute nail on the head. :lol
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I have to disagree with both of you (Mars and DipStick) While I wholheartedly agree with what Skywolf has come to understand I don't find it funny, it would be funny if Ren were not a trainer. I am completely baffled and incapable of figuring out how a (edited to avoid stooping to his level) like him could have ever become one. I honestly become sickened to think that folks like him are somehow teaching the new players in any way whatsoever; other than through his negative impact on this BBS, which I can see being a fine teaching example of all that is wrong with the game.
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I'm glad this is here tho, a fellow Marine I served in Saudi with is coming over to game out tonight, the 1st thing he wants to know is how many gamer dorks I pissed off today.. I'll show him this, we'll laugh.
This is where the circle-jerk comes from ... I can just see him and his buddie(s) all coming over to his house and watching him excell at being "griefer-boy" and then all having a good laugh and then joining in the griefer circle-jerk.
I don't give a rats arse who or what he is/was ... makes no difference to me ... I'll tell it right to your/his face if your around.
How do you know that I am not and Ex-Marine ... or a SNIPER !!! ... or a CIA Agent that has access to F-16s ... or a Navy Seal ? Right ... you don't ... you would have to take my word for it, now wouldn't you ?
He deserves respect only when he shows it, not just because he was a Marine (if he really was) ... up to this point ... he has shown no respect ... therefore he gets none from me.
Actually I am quite surprised at his attitude and personality. I know quite few Marines and yes for the most part they are tough ... some aren't ... but they all are respectfull and honorable above and beyond ... Marine-boy doesn't fit the bill.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Muahahahahaha! Im not! Im laughing at them!
:rofl
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You are a trainer? What are you... like nine years old or something? I'm surprised that someone like you would be a trainer. Well.... here's a bit of training for you.... STFU.
Woof
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
I've got the being an oscarhole thing mastered already.
Woof
Yep, you sure do....Sonny. :rolleyes:
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WOOO HOOOO! You guys got a new recruit. Woof!!
New kid on the block! Pump him up like yer favorite squadie but get him before he learns about the game and realizes you guys are a buncha tard's who do nothing but whine.
Skywolf, yer new. If you want to be treated like those guys thats your choice. For you responses so far you just might fit in but ask Morp how he got his kills a while back...better yet I think TC might repost it for ya. :rofl. You might find yer new dudes are a small minority of the whole group.
Slap an X Marine? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yer killin me! Stop it! :rofl
I think ya'll picked up 6 more responses. yer up to 51 now. Muahahahaha!
I can picture it now. Ya'll sitting aournd in a big circle on yer cyber site and it goes like this;
Morp: Dude!
Dip: Dude!
Slap: Dude!
Edbert: Dude!
mars: Dude!
Morp: Dude?
Dip: Dude!
Slap: duuuude?1
Morp: Dude hand me the kleenex when yer done!
mars: Dude?
Edbert: Dudes. We been found out! Dudes realize we're a buncha tards that just gotta tell everyone everything about everything and if it aint our way we'll all gang up so we can tell the dudes over and over again what tards we are.
Mrop: Dude!
Slap: Dude! Lets get on the boards and make sure they know whaty we think.
Edbert: Dude, wait! Do they really think we're tards?
Morp: Dude. I don't care. Im always right about everything so how can I be a tard?
mars: Dude1 Let's go post again!
Dip: Dude. Cool idea. I'm bored anyway. Aint you?
Edbert: Dudes! Yep lets go post more tuff so people think we're the best! We are the best right?
Morp: Dude! I don't know about you but I am.
Slap: Dude!
mars: Dude!
Morp: Dude! I gotta go post another movie of how great I am....again.
One thing you are correct. When I think of your post it does remind me of the neighbors dog that just gotta jump on yer leg. You think you're getting alot out of it but its only in your mind. I've played a lot of years but I have yet to find a whole squad that is so full of crap as the BK's. If it wasn't so funny......
Trainer or not I call BS when I see it. The day the HT posts XMarine or anyone else has to play this game your way is the day I'll shut up.
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Ren a lawyer ? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yer killin me! Stop it!
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WOW you must have used all 8 of your brain cells on that reply.
You know its funny...Trainer or not I call BS when I see it. The day the HT posts XMarine or anyone else has to play this game your way is the day I'll shut up.
The only word I can think of when I see you post is hypocrite. For some reason you think you are calling the shots and making some kind of a dent in the fight against evil... That evil being those who call out others on their lame BS tactics... In your fight against "evil" you also bad mouth everyone for bad mouthing others...Ironic.
In all the years i've played this game I've never seen a more arogant hipocritic arse than you.
Me? Im not saposed to set an example... I play the game and thats that. I doubt any one looks up to me as they should not...
You on the other hand are a trainer. One who is saposed to set an example. The only examples you've set is how to be the games leading dipchit.
Maybe we're not being nice and welcoming to xMarine or anyone else who pulls the kind of crap he does. But we are sure letting the rest know that they're chumps for doing what they do... And you're no better for sticking up for him. Also we never told him or anyone how to play their game... We simply told you, him and everyone else what we thought about it.
I dont know whats more sad. The fact that he wastes his time playing a game to waste others time. Or that he invites his "Marine Friends" over to watch him waste others time. Hows that work? Please dont draw me a picture, I need not to see it.
I've played a lot of years but I have yet to find a whole squad that is so full of crap as the BK's
Its sad you think this. But I dont find you're poor opinion of the Bk's as a loss in any way. Its odd though... The things that you dislike about what we have to say... You're the only one still pissing in the wind about it. We know we're right... Everyone else knows we're right.. And "We" is not just the BK's. "We" is everyone who gives a dam about the game... And plays for the enjoyment. Not for the score, the braging rights, to waste others time and deffinatly not to piss people off out of spite. No not just the ones who call them selves furballers... But you saw players who only play to win the war calling him out for what he was. And what you are. Chumps.
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Well here is my unqualified opinion on this post:
To be very honest, I think its overly motivated by Ego and not thinking about other players in AH2. I am a new player, a dweeb, and to be quite frank...a horrible pilot right now. I have seen calls to kill all the planes but a few, and there is a general feeling from all the "vets" that killing hangers is bad, HOs are bad, base taking is bad..."oh woe is me, why cant we just all get along and furball" attitudes.
Well, HT didn't make that game for the MA. Complaining about it really gets nothing accomplished.
I do understand however the points brought up. Frustration at pilots looking to "win" the unwinnable...well, this is a game, and it is competitive in all areas, which includes base captures and GV combat.
Luckily I have been part of many many gaming communities since the early 90s and after they mature over a few years, these types of posts always come up (and in the past they came up from me as well). When a Vet gets towards the "End Game" of an online format, things usually become routine, boring, and unchallenging. It is easy to ***** about how things were "way back when" and how the players of today do not have any skills, or learning the wrong skills.
Sportsmanship will never be replaced, but never expect an opposing player to "play your game".
While I feel where this thread and those vets are coming from, I am having a ton of fun exploring the new planes, doing team missions, and feeling like I am accomplishing something (taking bases), even though I know there is no such thing as winning AH2.
What you should really be calling for is a small scale MA that is set up for dogfighting only, and you need a certain number of kills to enter. But then again, if you are truely a player of note in AH2, I would assume that you would strive to master all aspects of the game.
Flames welcome, but I had to speak my peice finally :D
K
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LOL Morpheus! What an idiot you are. What a prat you are, and what bollocks you do spout.
Suddenly you are the self appointed policeman - the Chief Superintendant of AH gameplay, and self appointed censor of what may or may not be posted on this board.
And it cracks me up! :lol
What I find funny is not that there are suiciders that are ruining your gameplay, but that you - as a collective group - should be whining about how others play the game.
We had it with all your spouting about your leet skillz about how dogfighting should be done - always in a SpitV of course. And we had it with all your TnB whiner whines - Whines about bombs, whines about maps, whines about suicide fuel porkers, whines about target hardness, whines about night & day, whines about defending HQ being “no fun”, whines about certain players being "timid"...
But I'll always remember how the tnb whiner crowd chided anyone else for even suggesting that they play in any sort of coordinated manner, and how the turnfighters dismissed those lost souls as "generalissimi"...
Well guess what? Now it's your game that's being ruined - by the great unwashed masses of hording pork-n-auger massess. LOL - and if you were as good as you claim to be, you could kill them all. But you're not, and you can't. I guess reality sucks a little, right?
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Policeman?
Hardly.
You see plently of others saying the exact same things I am.
Note: I didnt start the thread about game play or the topics on the players we're talking about... I simply agreed with it... And then furthered their points by adding my thoughts. Thoughts which may or may not matter... But again they're my thought/opinions and I'm entitled to them.
On the other hand... You, just want to be heard. Good or bad, mostly bad, always bad, you just want to get your bald headed face into the picture some way some how with no intention other than to look for a fight.
You got in trouble for beating things up in real life... You think you will do any better on the intardnet? Rofl.
Please, go back to your hole, your jail cell... where ever it was you crawled under from. You are now, just as you have always been, the loneliest man I know trying to live his life on the intardnet.
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ROFL Morpheus! :lol
You talk about others needing to get a life - when you yourself spend 4+ hours a day playing this *game* -
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You would know... I'm just a spoiled punk. Right? Isnt that what you called me? :)
Tell me though.
When getting drunk and beating up on women doesnt get you off... Is this forum the only thing you have left? :confused:
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>>Don't call me Sonny oscarwipe. <<
Whoa Sonny! :) I only called ya Sonny cuz yer bright! :D
Relax, my point stands, the Marines don't need yer help :aok
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ROFL Morpheus! I don't believe I called you anything! :)
You're funny. You think that you can get to me with insults and by dredging up unfortunate chapters of my private life. :lol And it's funny just sitting here watching you try! :rofl
Dude, what you will never get (at least for the next 15 years) is that I am more than twice your age, and watching you try to needle me is like watching a spaniel trying to bite my ankle! It's cute, but it doesn't scare me. In fact it's rather funny!
One day, I hope we can go for a beer and reminisce about how silly all this tardnet game nonsense was - don't forget to bring your ID! :lol:p:cool:
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Originally posted by Morpheus
WOW you must have used all 8 of your brain cells on that reply.
WOW, it must have taken you a while to come up with that :LOL
In all the years i've played this game I've never seen a more arogant hipocritic arse than you.
1. you don't know what a hypocrit eis.
2) You've played how many years? 2? 3, max? Think hard now:rofl
Me? Im not saposed to set an example... I play the game and thats that. I doubt any one looks up to me as they should not...
I couldn't agree more. I don't know anyone who looks up to you except a couple of noob kiddies.
But you do set an example. You act the perfect tard. I've already touched on how much a tard you are so we won't go there again.
You on the other hand are a trainer. One who is saposed to set an example. The only examples you've set is how to be the games leading dipchit.
It don't wash. Yer crap stinks and you can't change that.
Maybe we're not being nice and welcoming to xMarine or anyone else who pulls the kind of crap he does. But we are sure letting the rest know that they're chumps for doing what they do... And you're no better for sticking up for him. Also we never told him or anyone how to play their game... We simply told you, him and everyone else what we thought about it.
Not true but you need to make sure everyone thinks you're saying something thats true. Otherwise, you'd sink into your own crap.
I dont know whats more sad. The fact that he wastes his time playing a game to waste others time. Or that he invites his "Marine Friends" over to watch him waste others time. Hows that work? Please dont draw me a picture, I need not to see it.
Whats sad is you are so upset that some guy can pull your strings so bad that you gotta stand up and tell the whole world what a tard you are. He's laughing his butt off at you for the crap you spout as usual and I'm laughing right along with him. Maybe he'll get all his marine buddies to come over and run away so they bail all night just for you. I hope he films it. Then I hope he sends it to you so you can put it up in here so everyone can listen to you whine about it. Then I'll laugh and laugh! MUAHAHAHAHA :rofl
Its sad you think this. But I dont find you're poor opinion of the Bk's as a loss in any way. Its odd though... The things that you dislike about what we have to say... You're the only one still pissing in the wind about it. We know we're right... Everyone else knows we're right.. And "We" is not just the BK's. "We" is everyone who gives a dam about the game... And plays for the enjoyment. Not for the score, the braging rights, to waste others time and deffinatly not to piss people off out of spite. No not just the ones who call them selves furballers..
You are so full of yourself that its beginning to squirt out over everyone. Your "we" are just a few players (BK's) of a larger group. Anytime one of your group gets upset you all dive into the BBS and raise all kinda crap about how everyone else is a chump. You're all a buncha whining babies. Im surprised you momma ever let you out to go to school. All you dudes ever do is try and brag to anyone who will listen. What you don't realize is most of us don't give a damn about you at all.
Oh yes, it's still the same thread and you BK's are still the biggest whiners in it. You can claim your right if that makes you feel better but you were and still are wrong. In fact, you emulate everything you say you find bad in others yet you don't even realize you're doing it.
And yes everyone is accountable for what they say and do in life. Game or no game. The BK's have proven time and again just what a buncha tards they are. Whats really sad is they don't care enough about themselves to care what anyone thinks about them.
Also, since you don't seem to notice Im speaking to you as an equal player even if you'll never be my equal.
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Let me get this straight...
I'm "full of my self" because I agree with the fact that making someone chase you for 2-3 sectors only to bail out is lame?
I'm "full of myself" because I said everyone here agrees with how I feel except you?
I have to ask again. How in the world did you ever become a trainer? And how in the world are you allowed to continue to train new players with your way of thinking?
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LMAO keep it going guys :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Bahahahaha
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In fact, you emulate everything you say you find bad in others yet you don't even realize you're doing it.
LOL
And what are you? The devine, immaculate Aces High Trainer?
ROFL, spade, im honored to be in your sig. The fact you'd even quoted me on your petition for an invisible plane thread speaks volumes.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Hmm, bad-mouthing a squad over a disagreement with a couple of players, that's an interesting call. Fortunately I know TC well enough to know that you are not representitive of the Damned.
TC would be laughing at a guy bailing instead of fighting , as much as anyone else who plays the game would be - isn't that what started all this. He has a sense of in-game honour or ethics or code of conduct, that you seem to be unable to understand.
Isn't it the responsibility of the guys who've been around a while to steer the new players in some sort of direction. Do we want the arena to be full of quake players, with hacker and cheat mentality ?
btw , BK's have been around a long time (10 years) , there has't been any disbanding, rebanding, or name changing , think you are a little confused.
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PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF MODERATION AND THREAD-LOCKING!
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Yep, you sure do....Sonny. :rolleyes:
So do you Sonny. :D
Woof
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Suddenly you are the self appointed policeman - the Chief Superintendant of AH gameplay, and self appointed censor of what may or may not be posted on this board.
No ... thats Ren's job description.
Funny how one can post how they enjoy being a total griefer and those that speak out against that type of gameplay are called whiners ... get real.
I am sure that "greifing", in any form, is not what HT really wanted or wants to design into the game, and if there was anything possible, with the logic and power of programming, he would put a stop to it. XMarine's form of griefing just happens to fall into an area where I don't think that HT can do anything about it. Oh well.
XMarine can continue his jolly griefing ... I really don't care ... Myself and other have spoken out in the hopes that this form of "griefing" will not take hold and be embraced by others. Ren, on the other hand, promotes it, which I find incredible for a trainer, a representative of AH/HTC.
Ren comes in here with loads of venom fighting for the rights of individuals to play anyway their little heart desires, yet on the other hand, he fights with the same venom to discourage people from posting a point/counter-point/whine or whatever you want to call it cause he thinks he/it is right and just ... funny thats what I thought that we were doing in our posts in calling griefing what it really is ... LAME. Ironic and hypocritical to say the least.
Ren ... it's best to be thought and fool than open one's mouth and remove all doubt ... but I think it's too late for you and I know it's too late for Beet1e.
Totally done with the both of you ... good luck.
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Originally posted by Redd
Hmm, bad-mouthing a squad over a disagreement with a couple of players, that's an interesting call. Fortunately I know TC well enough to know that you are not representitive of the Damned.
How many = a couple and with how many posts of badmouthing some dude on the same thread? Thats a buncha crap and if you've been around for any length of time you'd know it too. GA and ask TC or anyone in the Damned if they really care if some dude bails
TC would be laughing at a guy bailing instead of fighting , as much as anyone else who plays the game would be - isn't that what started all this. He has a sense of in-game honour or ethics or code of conduct, that you seem to be unable to understand.
Actually what TC and I think about some guy bailing doesn't end up on the boards, ever. In fact, we've been around so long we don't even think about some guy bailing.
Isn't it the responsibility of the guys who've been around a while to steer the new players in some sort of direction. Do we want the arena to be full of quake players, with hacker and cheat mentality ?
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Me? Im not saposed to set an example... I play the game and thats that. I doubt any one looks up to me as they should not...
_____________________________ _________ Ask your squadmate. Above is his reply. His story changes to fit his requirement to get the last word in. As far as trainers go I've never met one who encouraged bailing. Then again it's a subject that rarely comes up. In fact, it's rare for a noob to even ask how you bail. They learn that in the other arenas.
btw , BK's have been around a long time (10 years) , there has't been any disbanding, rebanding, or name changing , think you are a little confused.
Sorry but I don't think so. TC already posted the whole debacle once. I hadn't planned on rehashing it.
Civil response BTW Redd. Well done. :aok
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Lots of nonsensical blathering deleted
So.... you speak for the Damned huh? Does that mean that they are all as Fubar'd as you?
And you are a trainer..... you DO have an obligation not to act like a 4 year old, it reflects badly on the Game and badly on the Damned.
And for God's sake man....lose the #$%^ing Muhahaha crap. That's about the lamest thing I've ever seen (aside from your other posts). I'm embarrassed for you just reading it.
I'm going to assume that you messed up on your meds today. You jumped in here and started acting like a jerk, Well... you and your Toady.
You show up, hijack the thread and start spewing anti BK garbage like so much fecal matter from a seagull's hind quarters. Trust me pudmunch.. the BK's come off looking a lot better than the Damned here.
So.. yeah.. I'm new... and what I've learned so far is that You are a J.O. and the Damned are hard up for members.
I can't imagine having a trainer like you. I am, quite frankly, a bit freaked out that HT would allow someone as unstable as you to represent them in any way, shape, or form due to your amazing ability to turn people away from the game.
Now... PLEASE post some more garbage with your :rofl and :lol B.S. so that I can wonder WTF is wrong with you.
Woof
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Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL Morpheus! I don't believe I called you anything! :)
You're funny. You think that you can get to me with insults and by dredging up unfortunate chapters of my private life. :lol And it's funny just sitting here watching you try! :rofl
Dude, what you will never get (at least for the next 15 years) is that I am more than twice your age, and watching you try to needle me is like watching a spaniel trying to bite my ankle! It's cute, but it doesn't scare me. In fact it's rather funny!
One day, I hope we can go for a beer and reminisce about how silly all this tardnet game nonsense was - don't forget to bring your ID! :lol:p:cool:
You would be the Toady. :aok
Woof
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
btw , BK's have been around a long time (10 years) , there has't been any disbanding, rebanding, or name changing , think you are a little confused.
Sorry but I don't think so. TC already posted the whole debacle once. I hadn't planned on rehashing it.
Suggest you check your facts .
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
My only real question about the BK's is I coulda sworn Nomak disbanded the squad after the points whoring debacle and was considered as a stand up dude for doing it. What made him decide to lower himself back to their level?
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I have nose goblins.
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It was before my time as a BK, but I remember that whole "debacle" as some kind of coincidence because BK's were flying in different countries killing each other, as we often do?
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Originally posted by Redd
TC would be laughing at a guy bailing instead of fighting , as much as anyone else who plays the game would be - isn't that what started all this. He has a sense of in-game honour or ethics or code of conduct, that you seem to be unable to understand.
I also know a number of other member of the AH DMD, I flew with Whels for years, I've met Coach and Dano and Max. I know them and how they play, they are all fighters and they all retain their sense of humor and honor. I know that what Redd speaks is true, and it makes me wonder why you fly with them or vice versa with your attitudes and general childishness.
BTW, I do not speak for the BKs nor do they for me.
Originally posted by Stang
It was before my time as a BK, but I remember that whole "debacle" as some kind of coincidence because BK's were flying in different countries killing each other, as we often do?
Yes, and please stop killing me Stang. It's to the point now where I am afraid to attack an enemy G10 unless I know where you are!
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WTFG HiTech, are your trainers supposed to take new guys, berate them, and then bad mouth squads for you??
Originally Posted By: DamnedRen
WOOO HOOOO! You guys got a new recruit. Woof!!
New kid on the block! Pump him up like yer favorite squadie but get him before he learns about the game and realizes you guys are a buncha tard's who do nothing but whine.
Skywolf, yer new. If you want to be treated like those guys thats your choice. For you responses so far you just might fit in but ask Morp how he got his kills a while back...better yet I think TC might repost it for ya. . You might find yer new dudes are a small minority of the whole group
Ren you and Beet make good bed mates, you both argue like women.
How might that be you ask...
We'll I'll quote a great line delivered by Jack Nicolson, when his character was asked, how he wrote from a womans persprective so well... in As Good as it Gets.
His reply, "I start with a man and remove all reason, logic and accountability."
LOLH - man does that fit you and Beet. For god sakes women aren't even as bad as you two guys.
I know if I run into Xmoron, he is going to avoid a fight at all cost. If you run into any of the BKs, you will get the fight of the night or your arse handed to you. Either way you will walk away thinking man that is what AH is about. The only way your going to walk away from xmorons type of game play, the one you so vehimently defend, is thinking, man that guy is a sweetheart bag and this game sucks.
So good luck on your attack on the BKs Ren, you'll need it. Oh BTW throw those grapes out, they are sour. :rofl
And for God's sake man....lose the #$%^ing Muhahaha crap. That's about the lamest thing I've ever seen (aside from your other posts). I'm embarrassed for you just reading it.
LOLH this is good advice as well Ren.
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give it up guys lol gameplay is just fine.
no one does exactly what you would like them to do, but thats the point, you aren;t flying against AI
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Originally posted by Stang
It was before my time as a BK, but I remember that whole "debacle" as some kind of coincidence because BK's were flying in different countries killing each other, as we often do?
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It was a different squad Stang, Ren is confused.
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ROFL! What a flamefest to wake up to! :rofl :aok
I've made the points I wanted to make. The main one was that when *I* expressed discontent/confusion over the way some folks played this game 2-3 years ago, I was chided by the furballers along the lines of "they just won't play *your* way, will they, Generalissimo?", followed by the lecture about "more choices", and "more freedoms", various tards chipping in with quips like "I fly for me not for you", and "Give me your CC# and I'll fly however you want".
OK, fair enough - I just had to accept what I found in the arena, and stopped trying to suggest changes. I didn't like the suicide crap, I didn't like the way so many insisted on flying late war uberplanes the whole time, and I didn't like having to fly on maps where the fields were so close together that the warning siren on one field could be heard at the next. LOL-H!
But sadly, the gameplay that I was forced to accept could not hold my interest. That's why I'm on the sidelines waiting for TOD. And I am far from alone. There's a whole air force of us out here.
Don't get me wrong - what REALLY cracks me up is not that xmarine or anyone else is trashing hangars/whatever, but that the boot is now on the other foot! The furballers, who revelled in their condemnation and belittlement of anyone who wanted to participate in base captures, are now finding that THEIR game is being ruined, that THEIR skills aren't enough to repulse the tards, and that 90% of the AH populace refuses to fly the way THEY want them to fly.
Poetic justice in its finest form - I couldn't have dreamed of a more fitting outcome! :rofl:rofl <-one was not enough
When I'm done laughing, I could be interested in joining a reasoned debate about what changes (short of TOD) could be applied to improve gameplay. We've had the furballer instigated grand experiment, whereby the "war" has been relegated to an insignificant sideshow. We've gone through the fly what you like/more choices/more freedoms/chiding the generalissimi...
... and look how it's ended up - ROFL
Didn't anyone explain to you leet furballers that bombs are designed to be dropped on buildings, and are designed to cause destruction? That is what's supposed to happen. But no, we can't have that, so perk bombs! If you're soooooo skilled, you could always do what I used to do, which was to fight off threats to destroy hangars/CV etc. But no. You don't want to do that because it's "not fun". And why bother - when you can come here and whine instead. You refuse to accept the war concept, in which guys were told what they had to fly, and who they had to fight.
One day (but it might not be today) some of you guys might have to accept that the gameplay will always be crap, if the only driving force is "fly what you like/more choices/freedoms". Because what you've overlooked is that the TARDZ also pay $14.95/mo, and they also are entitled to play this game, the way THEY want. They don't have to furball just because that's what YOU want. They don't have to turn with you guys, no matter how much you rant. They don't have to fly a SpitV or FM2 just because Morpheus tells them to.
IMO - the game needs to be driven by an objective. Turnfiting/ACM/flying a SpitV may well be a significant part of an improved game, but won't and should not be the game itself. The lack of any such objective which would foster a team spirit is why the gameplay has degenerated to the status quo you guys are whining about today. But as far as I'm concerned, you got what you deserved.
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Ren, I'm just curious, and not really trying to insult you, but what exactly do you teach people as a trainer? I mean, after the usual "how do I lower my gear/take off/etc."
Suppose the guy has no idea what he wants to learn, he just knows he "sucks". Where would you start him off?
Also - why does everyone always assume "furballers" only want a massive fifty-plane whilrlibird of activity? I think the term is misread often. I read it more as someone who enjoys a fight, whether that be angles, energy, or an aggressive Boom and Zoom.
OTOH, why do you automatically assume that the "90%" of the arena that doesn't fly the way "We" want them to does so because that's how they want to fly?
I am personally of the opinion that a good portion of this "90%" flys how they do simply because they don't know any other way to survive ten seconds upon encountering an opponent. I realize that this is how you learn, but I also realize that if a guy doesn't have any foundation to work with, and gets blasted that quick by nearly everyone, he's going to get very discouraged.
As for your comments about the BKs... All I have to say is that Morpheus, Redd, and Nomak are three of six people who have taken me to the DA for a VERY long time each, wrote me emails to help me out, given me films, and provided me with such a foundation.
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Originally posted by beet1e
ROFL! What a flamefest to wake up to! :rofl :aok
(Some really long nonsensical blathering deleted)
But as far as I'm concerned, you got what you deserved.
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Why don't you just go back to pushing women around.... you are no good at intimidating men (of course you knew that or you wouldn't have been pushing women around to begin with). For you to call that an "unfortunate chapter of your private life" is indicative of what a butt nugget you really are.
Your credibility with me (and others I'm sure) is nil.
This thread was about the obvious lameness of some tactics like the run and bail and was helpful in letting a new guy know about some of the lame-oscared people who play this game. Doubly so when you and your Damned butt buddy Ren piped up with your little unprovoked, unwarranted, and unwanted rant about the BK's. At least I know now who to listen to and who to ignore and laugh at.
So thanks... you and Ren helped me after all. Now I know who to scrape off the bottom of my shoe.
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Woof
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Originally posted by DamnedRen Originally posted by
How many = a couple and with how many posts of badmouthing some dude on the same thread? Thats a buncha crap and if you've been around for any length of time you'd know it too. GA and ask TC or anyone in the Damned if they really care if some dude bails
Actually what TC and I think about some guy bailing doesn't end up on the boards, ever. In fact, we've been around so long we don't even think about some guy bailing.
Ren
The Damned
Bah , TC would be laughing his head off at the "bail not fight" strategy - I'd put money on it
and ....I've been around a while Ren , I just don't feel the need to tell everyone in every post, like you seem to need to do.
but anyway keep digging that hole deeper ......
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What is this furball you guys speak of? oh and how does one perform this move? Oh where can I buy one at? Oh and I like PIZZA!!!!!!
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Well I guess it is good to see that there are a lot more people in this game that have a clue, care about the community and the game and can see through the smoke screen some throw up.
I guess every group has to have it's share of sweetheart bags and dik weeds as well. So with that in mind... Beet, Ren and Xmarine thanks for fullfilling a natural postion and order of the state of things. :rofl Thank God, 1) Beet doesn't fly anymore lolh, 2) Ren is barely on ever, 3) The way I fight I will never end up running into XMarine.
For all you guys that like to log in and get into the action, that like to fight , keep up the good work and watch your 6 :aok
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It was a different squad Ren. Long before Jeff or myself became Blue Knights. The only regret I have of all that mess was not standing behind Jeff. I should have.
You really should take time to do your homework before lamely trying to throw out crap from years ago as some kind of incriminating evidence.
Dave
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OK, lemme get this summary straight....
Gameplay sucks, the BK's are all crybaby whiners and Ren is a good for nothing tool?
I think:
gameplay is OK but could be better
the BK's are OK too, never had a problem with any of them other than repeatedly dying to them
Ren has always been helpful to me in the TA
Everybody take a deep breath, count to ten, and have a beer, its gonna be alright. :)
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I've vented my spleen - but I want to make clear that I have nothing against the BK guys. Mars01, Slapshot, Nopoop, Lazs, Dipstick are all great guys. And Morpheus? Yeah he's OK too. :) You guys just need to show a bit more tolerance to "strat guys", and maybe understand that some people DO enjoy capturing bases, and flying planes other than the SpitV - or even driving tanks/boats etc. It's all in the game because HTC intended for it to be used.
I hope something happens that improves things for all, and ends the polarisation between furballers and strat guys which has plagued us for years.
Failing that, I'll look out for the next chargrilled BK Flamer!
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Spits suck, fly a P40.
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This thread sucks. :rolleyes:
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You guys just need to show a bit more tolerance to "strat guys", and maybe understand that some people DO enjoy capturing bases, and flying planes other than the SpitV - or even driving tanks/boats etc. It's all in the game because HTC intended for it to be used.
Beet this is where you have always gotten it wrong. I am all for guys that want to bomb or win the war or GV to do that. We have a complete tolerance and acceptance that people should play the game the best way they enjoy it.
All we ask is that people have tolerance for the game we enjoy. That would mean, if you see a bunch of guys just fighting between bases maybe you should pick another area to drop the hangers or at least ask. If you are gonna log in and fight, fight don't run just to come in and make another crappy pass. Stay with the fight and learn something. And for god sakes don't be such a ***** that you will bail from a perfectly good airplane because you don't want to give someone a kill.
Most of this stems from the fact that furballs are based on chance and circumstance. They are easy to ruine and happen very infrequently depending on the map. All other aspects that you mentioned are eaisly found at any point in the game, every time you log in.
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I think part of the misunderstand for beet is that when he used to play furballs were common and would last for hours, so he may not understand that these days they are hard to find or start and when they DO happen they just don't last long.
I have stated over and over in this thread that if guys want to kill buildings then I'm happy that they enjoy that aspect of the game. Go kill all the buildings you want. But if you see a furball please realize that most of those involved in it are having fun and there's no reason or benefit to your side to drop the FHs, all that does is make the enemy come in higher from a nearby base anyhow.
These new maps are large enough to support every different style of gameplaying, there's simply no need for one camp to try and "greif" the other any more.
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"We Have To Capture Ze Base!"
just gotta wonder if the A2A will spin off into something of its own and leave the entire game as it now stands and call it WW2Combat or something which more accurately describes what the guts of the game has become as "Aces High" is misleading...
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Originally posted by mars01
Beet this is where you have always gotten it wrong. That would mean, if you see a bunch of guys just fighting between bases maybe you should pick another area to drop the hangers or at least ask.
And this is where you have always got it wrong. The purpose of killing buildings is to prepare the base for capture. Or at least it was when I did it. That can take more than one form - killing the town and preparing it for a troop drop (I assume that hasn't changed?), killing the VH to make it harder for you to defend with GVs, or hitting the FH to stop you from taking off. If you still think that the "toolshed killers" are just doing it to see BOOM - and a lot of red/orange/yellow pixels jump across the screen, then that would explain your confusion. I've read other posts where you've said words to the effect of "give the bombers a corner where they can bomb" - and you're missing the point completely. If I may draw on my favourite analogy - Chess - you're saying "give the rook movers a corner where they can move their rooks around" - completely losing sight of the "big picture" - the game as a whole. Same thing goes for Edbert. He clearly fails to see the interaction between bombing strategic targets, and the effect that has on preparing the base for capture.
Eagler - HTC is caught between a rock and a hard place. If they had developed a game with only air combat (as WB was - with no vehicles, and only AI CVs) then people would be whining for change. So they've enriched the game by adding vehicles, PT boats, mannable acks etc. - but now it seems you're whining because the game has been overdeveloped!
I also notice a somewhat disdainful remark in the first line of your post. How can you expect the strat/war guys to respect you, when you don't respect them?
And I'm still confused. I read about the ingredients you guys want in a flight sim - close fields, no buffs, no toolsheds, no vehicles... - that very place has always been there - the DA. If I ever live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever understand why you guys don't just go there. It just doesn't make sense to come to an arena where there is strat which has been put there by HTC with the intention that it will be bombed, and for you guys to whine when it is.
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No one is having a problem with base capturing. I will even escort the buffs if base capture is the goal. However, if the goal is to just drop the hangers where the dar bar is, I'd shoot them down my self if kill shooter was not on.
That does nothing other than stoping people from plaing the way they want to because is not the way you think they should play. Leave the town, VH, BH up but kill the FH in places where there is a 5 vs 5 going on. Yeah, they are trying to win the war alright
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Beet I am not going to rehash your inability to understand or even really read what we post.
And this is where you have always got it wrong. The purpose of killing buildings is to prepare the base for capture. Or at least it was when I did it. That can take more than one form - killing the town and preparing it for a troop drop (I assume that hasn't changed?), killing the VH to make it harder for you to defend with GVs, or hitting the FH to stop you from taking off. If you still think that the "toolshed killers" are just doing it to see BOOM - and a lot of red/orange/yellow pixels jump across the screen, then that would explain your confusion. I've read other posts where you've said words to the effect of "give the bombers a corner where they can bomb" - and you're missing the point completely. If I may draw on my favourite analogy - Chess - you're saying "give the rook movers a corner where they can move their rooks around" - completely losing sight of the "big picture" - the game as a whole. Same thing goes for Edbert. He clearly fails to see the interaction between bombing strategic targets, and the effect that has on preparing the base for capture.
All your rhetoric above has nothing to do with the topic for which I engaged you on, "You think we have no tolerance for the win the war strat guys." You go into a diatribe about how and why people kill strat etc. LOLH WTF. Sometimes I guess you just like to type no matter that it has nothing to do with the topic.:rolleyes:
I know exactly what it takes to win the war. I don't care how or what people do to win it. If that is how they get their kicks that is fine and I am happy for them. If I could log on every night and get my kicks we wouldn't be having this conversation or thread.