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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GreenCloud on May 04, 2005, 01:24:49 AM
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ok..So..Does Ruger make factory made large capacity 30-40 round magazines ?
been kind of a female dog finding them
and...Ruger is not posting them on there website...
Anyone live around V, Virginia city?
any good gun stores?
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I am certain Ruger makes no factory 30 rnd clip for the Mini-14. Mini-14's use the same clip as the AR-15 (M16). Check out army-navy surplus both in your area and on the net. Gun shows (the scourge of western society per anti-gunners) will also have the 30 rnd clips. I used to see alot several years ago, but haven't been looking lately. Try googling 'cheaper than dirt', 'the sportsmans guide', and 'Bridgade Quartermasters' for internet sales. Cabela's or Gander Mountain might also sell the AR15/Mini-14 30 rnd clips.
Regards,
Malta
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not the same mag, that would be to easy and ruger wouldnt sell many mags that way.
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Originally posted by stantond
I am certain Ruger makes no factory 30 rnd clip for the Mini-14. Mini-14's use the same clip as the AR-15 (M16). Check out army-navy surplus both in your area and on the net. Gun shows (the scourge of western society per anti-gunners) will also have the 30 rnd clips. I used to see alot several years ago, but haven't been looking lately. Try googling 'cheaper than dirt', 'the sportsmans guide', and 'Bridgade Quartermasters' for internet sales. Cabela's or Gander Mountain might also sell the AR15/Mini-14 30 rnd clips.
Regards,
Malta
And you would be certainly wrong to. Ruger does make factory hi-capcity mags. The best resource I can point you to for this type of question would be The AR-15 forums.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/
-Keg.
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My bad, shouldn't have used the word certain. I don't own a mini-14 or have tried to used an AR-15 magazine in one. I always thought from what I read they used the same magazines. That may not be true anymore. Maybe it was never true? Ruger may have changed their magazine due to the 1994 ban. Also, Ruger may have started manufacturing 30 and 40 round magazines since the 1994 ban expired on September 13, 2004.
If the Sturm Ruger website does not list the magazines, then I expect they do not sell them. Cabelas, for example, currently sells 30 & 40 round magazines for the mini-14 but they are not manufactured by Ruger. Good luck!
Regards,
Malta
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There are many manufacturers of 20, 30 and 40 round mags for ruger min 14 the latestst thing I seen was a snail drum mag that is 75 round.
"Cheaper than dirt" has a website that has mgas by two or three companies.. Ruger used to make 20 rounders I know.
lazs
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well ruger and ar-15 style rifels DEFNLTY do not swap..I actaully saw a "duel" use mags special made to fit both..but VERY RARE..
My problem is I have about 8 AFter market 30 & 40 round mags...only 3 out of that 8 work decent..and its still not perfect.
The metal is thin and bends...Rounds pop out of the breach by them selves..no matter how i bend the ends of the mags..it doesnt hold rounds in perfectly
So..What I see now is..PMI and USA made mags..
DAmmit janet ..Im pissed im not seeing RUger factory Rounds..Pisses me of..So much so..I think I shoudl try to sell my mini-14 and by a Bushmaster ar-15...I really dont want to lose money on it tho..
BTW ...anyone from Virginia City ? VA
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I have 2 20 rd mags and 1 30 rd mag for my mini-14, and only one of the 20 rd mags feeds 100% correctly. The "lips" at the top of the other two mags don't seem to be long enough so sometimes 2 rounds feed at the same time. This is a fairly common problem I think, having the top of the magazine deformed in some way that makes them feed improperly.
I got all of them at gun shows in Texas. They were cheap enough that I could afford to buy a few to find one or two that work ok.
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If I may ask, for what reason do you want a high capacity magazine? Forsee yourself being in a sustained fire-fight any time soon? Or perhaps you want to take down an entire herd of deer without having to reload?
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Yep... it allways bugged me that the aftermarket hig capacity mags were such junk... I have about the same experiance with em... every other one works and I can usually tweak em to get em to work... the smoke colored "unbreakable" ramline plastic ones have all split down the side... usually within a year.
Ruger does, or did sell at least twenty rounders but I don't know if they still do. Nobody I trust seems to make em tho.
suntracker.. what do you care? Isn't having fun with em enough? isn't just wanting one enough? It is pretty fun to tear up say a packing crate or pallet with 30 rounds fired in a few seconds. If you didn't enjoy that then you simply need to check your pulse.
lazs
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Originally posted by SunTracker
If I may ask, for what reason do you want a high capacity magazine? Forsee yourself being in a sustained fire-fight any time soon? Or perhaps you want to take down an entire herd of deer without having to reload?
Or maybe he just wants to shoot paper without having to stop and reload a magazine every 5 shots? Or maybe even put a TAC-TRIGGER on his Mini-14 and legally spray 30 rounds in under 3 seconds? Or maybe he wants to more closely simulate the firepower that almost every infantryman in the world can output so when we get invaded by .... he can put up a more effective defense....
BTW, .223 Remington are probably not the best deer hunting round.
And .223 Remington does NOT equal 5.56 Nato, but the Mini-14 can handle both. NOT ALL .223 Remington chambered firearms can fire the 5.56 NATO safely.
I just bought two 30 round mags for my Mini-14 from http://www.midwayusa.com (http://www.midwayusa.com). The "NewEgg" of mailorder firearm accessories...
Terror
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The mini-14 is commonly sold as the prototypical "ranch rifle", to the point where the mini-14 model that has scope mounts is actually called the ranch rifle. In some ways it's the modern implementation of the lever action 30-30 you see in the movies. The rifle is designed to be reasonably light, easy to point, and above all a reliable source of moderate firepower in any situation.
It's only reasonable that a weapon designed to be the one rifle someone in "rough country" might have available would end up with a high capacity magazine. Whether it's short-range varminting, keeping the coyotes from bugging livestock, hunting small game, or simply plinking to keep your skills up, not having to reload as often is desirable.
Think of high capacity magazines in a sport rifle in the same way as you'd think of a remote control for your TV :) Not exactly necessary, but convenient as heck.
As a side note, when I was living in a more remote area I kept one high capacity mag loaded in the event a criminal (or some criminals) chose me as an easy target since I was living alone. Since it's so easy and perfectly legal to outgun the average stupid criminal, why not be able to defend myself? I all I have to do is resist the urge to go mad and kill everyone in town, an occurrence that must have been common enough in Europe that they banned nearly all firearms. Thank goodness Americans have enough restraint that we don't need to disarm law abiding citizens because of the criminal acts of the few who can't control their psychopathic urges.
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If I need a rifle in "rough country", I'll take my Winchester .30-.30 thanks. It's more reliable. As for the high cap. mags, Ive never used one on a Mini-14 but the 75 round drum on my AK works great. Fires the whole drum in right around 8 seconds. :)
Cant hit squat with it on auto like that, but damn its fun.
Oh, and if you work for the FBI, I made that up. Really. No truth to it at all. Bad joke. Ummm....gotta go.
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I'd of figured since the assault weapon ban expired the factories would be pumpin out high capacity clips like mad.
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Don't know if this helps at all but here's my $0.02
Never put 30 rounds in an older "30 round" magazine.
As somone whos put well over 10,000 rounds through M-16/AR-15s it causes alot of headaches. You probably know this allready or it doesnt apply to a mini14...if so disrgard...carryon.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
well ruger and ar-15 style rifels DEFNLTY do not swap..I actaully saw a "duel" use mags special made to fit both..but VERY RARE..
My problem is I have about 8 AFter market 30 & 40 round mags...only 3 out of that 8 work decent..and its still not perfect.
The metal is thin and bends...Rounds pop out of the breach by them selves..no matter how i bend the ends of the mags..it doesnt hold rounds in perfectly
So..What I see now is..PMI and USA made mags..
DAmmit janet ..Im pissed im not seeing RUger factory Rounds..Pisses me of..So much so..I think I shoudl try to sell my mini-14 and by a Bushmaster ar-15...I really dont want to lose money on it tho..
BTW ...anyone from Virginia City ? VA
Tell you what Cloud I have a buddy that owns a supply shop that supplies the NYCPD. I know there swat team uses Mini-14s. I will ask him tonight what brand of mag they use in there Mini-14s and where is the best place to get them. He will know for sure. I will have an awnser for you sometime tomorrow afternoon.
-Keg.
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Keg..that woudl be great...
Yes I love Hi capacity..only thing i hate more then loading amagazines..is cleaning guns
I really enjoy battling with a friend ..who has a 1r-15..we shhot hi speed silloutte Targtes...dam fun...
Justa red dot 1x sight...
Lazs..exactly..feeding 2 rounds at same time..
Im not doing anymore guns show cheap crap mages...Teh factory mags for Colt..are way nicer..real thick lips at the top of the mags..no deforming or movement.
There is nothing worse then a gun that doesn tfunction the way it should
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yep... for some reason, the poor mini 14 was the "target" of all the snake oil mag makers.. mostly junk. The stainless steel ones seem to be slightly better.
I would pay twice as much for a mag of factory quality. And... yep, if you load a few less rounds than the capacity that seems to help.
lazs
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Kegger..I surew would love to hear an answer as to what mags they use?..
Im now really only seeing 2 types...USA ..and PMI magazines
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Don't know if this helps at all but here's my $0.02
Never put 30 rounds in an older "30 round" magazine.
As somone whos put well over 10,000 rounds through M-16/AR-15s it causes alot of headaches. You probably know this allready or it doesnt apply to a mini14...if so disrgard...carryon.
Oh yeah i usually in an old bananna clip just load up like 25-27 rounds.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
Kegger..I surew would love to hear an answer as to what mags they use?..
Im now really only seeing 2 types...USA ..and PMI magazines
Sorry man I am a tard I forgot. They dont use factory mags cuz ruger doesnt make them. These are the ones used by NYPD ERT unit. This is even the place his shop gets them to sell to the NYPD.
http://www.galatiinternational.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=GIO&Product_Code=MAGR14223&Category_Code=Mini14magazines
They are really good mags. Basicly they are scaled down M-16 mags so they are built to the same MIL-SPEC standard. Since even buying mags for an AR-15 can be trying at times I would just buy three of these mags and see how they work. If atleast two out of the three work good then you found a good set of mags. This type of mags are hit or miss. Which is why Ruger proly doesnt put them out.
These are suppose to be really nice. My buddy says he uses these in his own Mini 14. He said he only gets a bad mag per 50 or so he has bought.
http://cdnninvestments.com/mi230manewbl.html
He told me to tell you stay away from the D&E mags and the Eagle brand mags.
-Keg.
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dam..thsoe are really inexpensive...
will try ..thnx for input Kegger ; )
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The Mini14 " the world's most exspensive plinker "
That's a quote from Bill Ruger about his own creation that I read in a review on the Mini14 years ago. That, and the ocasional " I can piss straighter than this thing can shoot " story have put me off owning a Mini14, but lately I have been thinking about buying one while I can still afford it; the US state department has a on again/off again export ban on the Mini to NZ which screws with the price of the rifle here.
I have read that Ruger expect the Mini14 to shoot a maxamin group size of 2" at 50 yards which translate to 4" at 100... imo thats piss poor for any .223 chambered rifle, but I might be able too live with it if I knew it was the absolute worst grouping I could expect from an out of the box Mini. It can't get any worse than 4" can it?
I use to have two of those plastic ramline magazines that lazs mentions. As well as fitting the Mini14 they fit the AR15 and AR180. I used them in my 180 cause decent mags were hard to get for it, but they were unreliable, but it was a sod of a rifle anyway.It was an Armalite and even Armalite mags did not w work in it. My AR15 got the good stuff, GI issue " Adventure Line" 30 rounders; not a snowballs chance in hell of importing that kind of stuff from the US these days.
Excel
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Why do you need 30,50,75 rnd mags? I use to own a Mini-14 for years but never felt the need for more rnds. Unless of course the deer started shooting back. Going bang,bang,bang down the range is kinda boring isn't it?
...-Gixer
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Gixer, the world is awash with ammunition. It's our civic duty to burn up as much of it as we can, as fast as we can.. and besides it's fun.
Did you ever put your Mini over a bench and check it's accuracy?
Excel
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Green the best websit for cheap ammo mags and everything else
http://www.cheaperthendirt.com
and there u go 40rnd clip for $15 here (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?dept_id=1222&sku=MAG-395&imgid=&mscssid=VQAAV76A8QG49HV7UN2Q7DBX7UW29M04)
or if ur a spary and prayer heres a 90rnd drum for $130 here (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?dept_id=1222&sku=MAG-380&imgid=&mscssid=VQAAV76A8QG49HV7UN2Q7DBX7UW29M04)
[edit] was thinkin of getting a Mini-14 and was wordering how much it cost you.
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gixer... why do you need a bike with more than 70mph capability on the street... anything more will be breaking the law. too much horspower is dangerous. you may control it better than some or even most but eventually... it will cause you to crash and then everyone will pay for your selfishness.
excel... you can shoot worse groups than 4" at 100 yards with a mini 14 I just shot some 3" groups at 50 yards with mine testing different ammo. They group about like an AK47 to me... about 50% better than an Aks.
You can buy barrels for them that will gurarentee sub 1" moa for around $400 tho. I would be very comfortable with 2" groups at 50 yards tho with the crappy open sights. I don't do much better with open sights on any rifle.
I also don't do much worse with handguns. I am not a very good rifle shot.
lazs
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Originally posted by Excel1
Gixer, the world is awash with ammunition. It's our civic duty to burn up as much of it as we can, as fast as we can.. and besides it's fun.
Did you ever put your Mini over a bench and check it's accuracy?
Excel
Don't buy a Mini14 for accuracy. You will be disappointed unless you double the money you spend to accurize it. The problem lies in the light, thin walled barrell. Vibrations from the discharge cause the bullet to exit the barrel at slightly different Trajectories. That is why the heavy barrels and/or the "Harmonic Stabilizing" barrels help accuracy on this rifle.
Terror
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thnk u for the more input..
and typical gixer...why dotn you go stab yourself..
bang bang bang ..boring?...YA what do you do for "excitment"?...lolol ...ride your little scooter on the freeway..?..weee..I thoink you dotn even shoot guns and havent a clue..but its typical of your style...I also woudl blame you for being a crappy marksman...I understand you cnat shoot accuratly at hi speeds..Hey not everybody good has eye-hand coordination
who The F wants to relaod..why not have 40 rounds already to use.. I take it you have never done hi speed siloutte shooting..
Its like a TV remote..all you need is power on/off...channels...but WAIT..isnt it nice to have volume..last channel...video ..ect ect..
god you are really dumb sometimes
I bought my mini 14 brand new for $700..If I was going to do it again..I would buy a bushmaster ar15.....much more products for them..
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Gixer hates america for a hoby, and he is good at it!
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GreenCloud,
From your oh so accurate assumption of me and your over excited and sensitive response. I'd say that you've never had the balls to serve yourself and just another one of these wanna-be milita types who's seen to many action movies. And that a 30rd clip adds two inches to his dick while yelling USA F**ck YA :lol
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Why do you need 30,50,75 rnd mags? I use to own a Mini-14 for years but never felt the need for more rnds. Unless of course the deer started shooting back. Going bang,bang,bang down the range is kinda boring isn't it?
...-Gixer
Gixer has never felt the need, so in his warped mind, nobody else should want more rounds. After all, he is from New Zealand and he should know better, since he thinks he gets the "real scoop" on everything that goes on in the world......being from such diverse country and all.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Gixer has never felt the need, so in his warped mind, nobody else should want more rounds. After all, he is from New Zealand and he should know better, since he thinks he gets the "real scoop" on everything that goes on in the world......being from such diverse country and all.
Geesh Nuke your still brining up the whines about NZ "the scoop" etc. You remind me of my b*tch ex girlfriend you could have an argument with her and then 3 months later she brings it up again as she's still going over it in her mind all that time.
Sometimes I wonder if that picture is actually a current one of you rather then when you were a kid. Plus you should be carefull especially on the net as one mans family photo might be another mans porn.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by NUKE
Gixer has never felt the need, so in his warped mind, nobody else should want more rounds. After all, he is from New Zealand and he should know better, since he thinks he gets the "real scoop" on everything that goes on in the world......being from such diverse country and all.
Nuke, I think the average Kiwi has a bit more of an idea of what goes on in the big wide world than the average American.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Nuke, I think the average Kiwi has a bit more of an idea of what goes on in the big wide world than the average American.
I'd bet Gixer is not one of them.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I'd bet Gixer is not one of them.
Hey Nuke, do you ever wonder if I might be at work on a Friday afternoon having a bit of a quiet day and just feel like taking the p*ss?
What on earth do I give a toss about 30rnd mags and Mini-14's really?
...-Gixer
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Lazs and Terror
Thanks for the info.
It's so much cheaper, when to accurize a rifle, you only need a glass bedding kit, sandpaper, a chisel and a few spare hours. To have to rebarrel a new $1400 rifle would be way too exspensive. Because they are so popular used Mini14's in good nick get snapped up fast, so what I might do is try and pick up a good used one. It'll make a dent in my stock pile of ball ammo at least, and if I'm not happy with it's accuracy I have the perfect excuse to get something else to keep it company in my gun cabinet.
Excel
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Originally posted by Excel1
Lazs and Terror
Thanks for the info.
It's so much cheaper, when to accurize a rifle, you only need a glass bedding kit, sandpaper, a chisel and a few spare hours. To have to rebarrel a new $1400 rifle would be way too exspensive. Because they are so popular used Mini14's in good nick get snapped up fast, so what I might do is try and pick up a good used one. It'll make a dent in my stock pile of ball ammo at least, and if I'm not happy with it's accuracy I have the perfect excuse to get something else to keep it company in my gun cabinet.
Excel
$1400? Mini-14s go for around $500 new usually. Maybe $520 if you get the Stainless variety. Used ones should go for $350-$400 in good condition.
Terror
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perfect thinking excel... I have guns that I rarely shoot for one reason or another but.. every once in a while someone will get all excited about em and want to shoot em aned then it is fun to break em out. A mini 14 is very fun for targets of opportunity at ranges around 50 yards and keeping junk flying around. The crappy sights work good for fast plinking at cans and such.
gixer... If you don't like firearms.... and you don't care about firearms... Why do you butt in to every thread about em? You seem phobic about it. Your fear is your problem but you project it onto us all the time.
We get it... you hate America and you fear guns. But...
motorcycles are a human right... so long as you get to choose how and what people ride. Your constant nannying and braying is what reminds us all here of the girfriend you mentioned.
In about an hour I'm gonna fill my 468 inch big block el camino with $2.50 a gallon gas and go shoot up about 400 rounds of pistol and revolver ammo... I think I will empty a 30 round clip outta the mini 14 too... just for you... try not to think about my noodle ya hear now?
lazs
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haha gixer...why are you here again?..
exactly..GET OFF MY DIQ...and tell your Beoch to come here
God I Love that Ice Cube Line
LAzs..do you have any handguns with crimson trace?....or any of guys?..
Im really thinkn of putting oen on my ruger revolver
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Originally posted by lazs2
gixer... If you don't like firearms.... and you don't care about firearms... Why do you butt in to every thread about em? You seem phobic about it. Your fear is your problem but you project it onto us all the time. lazs
Wrong again, actually I've always had firearms and belonged to the NZDA ( a shooting and hunting club) for 20 years. I also enjoyed my time in the army and all the guns and ammo that I could handle.
It's just your gun laws, NRA and arguments for the right to bare arms that I find amusing.
...-Gixer
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By the way, I don't hate Americans just their short sightedness.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
It's just your gun laws, NRA and arguments for the right to bare arms that I find amusing.
...-Gixer
Hmm. What so amusing? It's a right guaranteed by our countries' Bill of Rights. The same Bill of Rights that guarantees our freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from illegal search and seizure, etc etc. Why should the Right to Keep and Bear Arms be any different than those other rights?
Kinda strange how you would find people struggling to keep a right, "amusing".....
Terror
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Fortunatly you never experimented dictature and prooved the necessity of this article of your constitution.
I mean how many American will be able to use successfully their weapon to free themselves from a modern army ?
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Hopefully we will not ever need to find out Straffo, but it is not simple issue.
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I know , there is also the weight of the myths and traditions.
Btw don't misread my post, I'm not asking for this to happen.
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I didnt think you were, I just think a determined group of armed pissed off americans that know the land could be troublesome to our government.
Wars of insurgancy are not about vicotry as much as making the cost of victory to the other guy to high.
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Originally posted by Gixer
By the way, I don't hate Americans just their short sightedness.
...-Gixer
I don't hate New Zealanders, just their ignorance and arrogance regarding other countries.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I don't hate New Zealanders, just their ignorance and arrogance regarding other countries.
Think your getting over excited again Nuke and confusing your opinion of me as that of all New Zealander's. As we are too small a country to be either ignorant or arrogant towards other countries. However seen globally that's something yours excels in at times. :)
...-Gixer
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Not getting excited, just using the same generalizatons that you use in your arguments.
Until you stop, I'll just go ahead and use the same ridiculous argument style that you are so fond of.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
haha gixer...why are you here again?..
exactly..GET OFF MY DIQ...and tell your Beoch to come here
God I Love that Ice Cube Line
LAzs..do you have any handguns with crimson trace?....or any of guys?..
Im really thinkn of putting oen on my ruger revolver
You like some line from Ice Cube? LOL that explains everything.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by NUKE
Not getting excited, just using the same generalizatons that you use in your arguments.
Until you stop, I'll just go ahead and use the same ridiculous argument style that you are so fond of.
Amazing how fast you reply, I only just hit the send button and wasn't expecting a whine until tomorrow. Shouldn't you be in bed by now?
...-Gixer
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why would I be in bed at 5.40 pm? I'm watching the news and waiting for the Suns game .
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yes old Ice Cube Albums are dam good
but hell you honkies dotn know crap down there..inbred delinqents..
but i understand if you werent around in that era... hell your not even from here...in the early days of NWA..they had some dam strong lyrics.
Dr Dre and Ice Cube are extremly talented in what they do..Dont get mad becuase they have more money then you...all from callin Hos a Ho..and beeches a beech...Cal it as you see them..so ..we call you like we see u..lolololololololol
it woudl be nice to ban people ftrom your posts..especially the morons who bring nothing to it..but to try and start crap
your a fonzanoon
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:LOL
And it makes you look like a 10 year old child trying to act tough in the play ground. Leaving the adults wondering what on earth it is your screaming about as they can't understand a word.
...-Gixer
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^ cluelless dolt..
i understand living in craker land you dont get exposed...Im sure you see plenty of craker gangsters down there..
Try that here you get waked..
SO if you are calling me a paper tiger or a plastic lion.....
When ever we meet we can play gangster ok?..Now go virtaully stab yourself...NOW ..and get me a drink too...
Thank GOD For United States of America....the rest of you are just inbreds
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
Thank GOD For United States of America....the rest of you are just inbreds
Well done, you've just scored another own goal for the home team.
...-Gixer
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haha its too easy ....
You liek pssing contests?,,why the f are you even here?..Best part of you probbly ran down your mommies leg..Are abortions illegel down there?..please go away..NOW!
gixer are you a girl?
USA USA ....
pss Busch is satan
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Why do I get the feeling I'm talking to a 14 year old that's had too much sugar for one day.
...-Gixer
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well u r the moron in here..look in the mirror...
eee Deeee ...Yacht
haha pee on u..piss on u....Roll the riddm R/Kelly
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
well u r the moron in here..look in the mirror...
eee Deeee ...Yacht
haha pee on u..piss on u....Roll the riddm R/Kelly
People are reading your rants and I'm the moron? :lol
By the way, why do you post your PC stats in your signature?
...-Gixer
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gixer... you don't hate Americans.... just hate the way we are? Does that make sense to anyone else in NZ? I don't hate sport bikes I just hate the way they sound and the way they look and cant stand seeing em. I would hate them less if they were all banned.
no, I don't have any laser sights.. I am old fasioned.. it is not impossibel that one would find it's way into my gun safe tho for one reason or another. I am weak and can't pass up good deals.
Just bought a nazi marked 98k that I have no use for but hey... it was cheap and it was nazi marked.
straffo... our country is very big. Any conflict between the government and the people could go either way depending on the support for either side. If the government get's heavy handed they would lose the support of the troops and the people... if the anti government forces get heavy handed they would not gain the support of the people and the troops.
Either way... American have a healthy distrust of their government.. it takes very little for us to get angry with them. If we are not armed we pose a much smaller threat to them doing whatever they want.
It is in any citizens best interest to be armed if their government is. The historical truth is that anyone who trusts their government with arms is a fool. History has shown that governments are the major killers of citizens of their own country... they are the ones who cause massacres on the huge scales.
lazs
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Well in your hypothesis only the governement is evil but you just need 50%+1 of the vote to have an evil country.
In this case it will be very difficult to fight such dictature.
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I didn't say that we have an evil country or that we would knowingly vote in an evil tyranny. I am saying that government tends to run toward tyranny and massacering its citizens and that it is allways wise to be viggilant so that you have the best government possible.
Even if 95% of the people voted in what appeared to be the best person possible... that is not to say that he would be what we thought... that is also not to say that 1 year later his popularity wouldn't be down to say 5%.
lazs
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Originally posted by Terror
$1400? Mini-14s go for around $500 new usually. Maybe $520 if you get the Stainless variety. Used ones should go for $350-$400 in good condition.
Terror
That $1400 price I quoted is for a stainless/synthetic Mini14 in NZ dollars. The differance in price between here and the US comes about because of the currency exchange rate differance between the two dollars. The importation costs add a large whack to the price as well.
I would much rather pay your prices than ours. $1400NZ would probably have a similar buying power in NZ than what $1400US would have in the US.
Excel
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Originally posted by lazs2
perfect thinking excel... I have guns that I rarely shoot for one reason or another but.. every once in a while someone will get all excited about em and want to shoot em aned then it is fun to break em out. A mini 14 is very fun for targets of opportunity at ranges around 50 yards and keeping junk flying around. The crappy sights work good for fast plinking at cans and such.lazs
Things are very much the same here lazs. Some of my guns don't see the light of day much either except when relatives who usualy bring a friend or two come visiting. Mostly shooting newbies, but they really get into it. The oil on my black rifles would be a smokey vapour within minutes. No beverage, paint can or ballon is safe. Occasionly when cattle would wander across the firing range I would have to remind one or two of them that bullets don't bend around steers but we always have fun. And even though I do a little paper punching from time to time, for sheer enjoyment it's hard to beat informal plinking type shooting.
Excel
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ah yeah... newbies and informal plinking.. Plinking is my favorite pastime too. Love to just say "that white thing next to the bush about 50 yards out" and see if one of us can make it move with a 44 mag or 45 auto.
Tell ya what the mini 14 does real well in that respect... loads of fun.. very little recoil and absolutely dead reliable sooo... fill a 30 round mag and pick out something 50-100 yards away... hold the mini 14 at the hip and start walking the rounds into the target.. the mini sorta "rocks" instead of recoil and you get a rythme going and it is surprisingly easy to get on and hold on the target.
My ex really anhilitated a 2'x2' wooden pallet that was about 60 yards out one time that way. The 223 round has enough suds to make a really easy to see bullet strike and when it hits the pallet it tears it up and throws pieces everywhere..
Does it get better than that?
lazs
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yes lazs..
reaction silloutte shooting...hearing the return ping of contact is great
thsi is the new one i really want...
http://www.metaltargets.com/ResetTargets.htm
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green... that looks fun but not as fun as just shooting at junk from all kinds of unknown and varying distances.
The last thing I shot at was a length of white 4" PVC pipe with handguns... it broke up into various sizes and scatered on the hilside... we would nust pick a chuk and try to turn it into smaller chunks....Now that.... is "reactive".
lazs
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lazs i agree..soemwhat...as i get older i get more sensitive..
The range off ogf Beale AFB soemtimes gets really trashy.. Everyone wants to bring there crap there to shoot at it....For the few that bring..TV.s Beer bottles..PVC pipping...microwaves..babys toys..ect ect..It looks like crap..and makes gun owbers fufill the typical left wing linguine spinned ...sayings that we just trash the earth blah blah..
SO!!>.to try and combat this..I do not leave trash out there anymore..
Steel Silloutte targtes..placed at varying distances...Hell they dont all have to be fancy spinners..Just plane round Steel cirlces are good..
I also have learned..Old Tortillas..Left out will harden up..Kind of liek shooting clay pigeons....Old Fruit..Lettuce heads...ect ..any old food if you hav eany..works dam good
The other I saw for the firts tiemlast week..This guy had about 20-30 milk-water jugs..Plastic ones..Filled with water..WOW!!!..when ypu hit them with a l;arge caliber ..they really explode nicely...the guy said..If you have the time ..Freeze them..and they explode even bettr...the good thing is they are fairly easy to pick up ..mostly intack..just split..
AND!!..dam..they sell theis gel now..it explodes when it gets hit..Soem gun shop in Yuba City carries it...Soemone had soem at the range last time..nothn bettr then exploding targts...she said it was legal too...Hell sounds good to me
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Originally posted by lazs2
The last thing I shot at was a length of white 4" PVC pipe with handguns... it broke up into various sizes and scatered on the hilside... we would nust pick a chuk and try to turn it into smaller chunks....Now that.... is "reactive".
lazs
That's not very environmental of you in this day and age Lazs, you might get reported to the greenies.
...-Gixer
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go stab yourself
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
go stab yourself
Gee that's not very friendly. Haven't you ever seen a joke/sarcasim before? Maybe I should of added a smilie face just for the dumbarses like you.
:lol
...-Gixer
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ya gix...u are reeeeeeeeeelll funneee
lookn............hahahahaa
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At one informal range I used to go to we would go there with pickups and shovels and rakes and clean it all up once in a while and haul everything to the dump.
I would be more than glad to do that with anyone in the area that has a shooting spot that is trashed. You could do that at the base.
White PVC disintegrates eventually... if it is broken up into small bits it goes even faster... there are millions of miles of the stuff buried in the U.S.
Frozen gallon jugs are fun.. A 44 mag pretty much destroys one in one shot tho. I like clay pidgeons... you can even get ones with seed in em. the new "splatter" bulseye targets are more fun than regular paper ones too.
A guy could make a fortune with an outdoor range that was a bunch of berms at varying distances and "junk" scattered around.
lazs